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Strauss Edition.

How do I into classical?

Try the sampler and download pastebins:
http://pastebin.com/Y9GsHaay
http://pastebin.com/N0yvjzUg

>> No.53122539

>>53122477
Haydn quartets > Mozart quartets
Beethoven quartet > Mozart quartets
Bartok quartets > Mozart quartets

>> No.53122553

>>53122539
Poly pls.

>> No.53122686

>>53122553
But he's right. Mozart's string quintets are where it's at.

>> No.53122743

>>53122686
This is true but his quartets are GOAT too.

>> No.53122770

>>53122492
Favourite Strauss Tone Poems?

me = Aus Italien

>> No.53122804

>>53122770
salome and elektra cos im edgy like that

>> No.53122805

>>53122686
Mozart is a fine opera composer, but chamber music takes feeling to do well.

Here's an underrated quartet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4XjijkqrAY

>> No.53122828

>>53122492
MOZART vs. STRAUSS:

Symphonies: Mozart
Concerti: Mozart
Chamber music: Mozart
Solo keyboard: Mozart
Opera: Mozart
Choral music: Mozart
Songs: Strauss
muh tone poems: Strauss

Mozart: 6
Strauss: 2

Mozart wins.

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>>53122804
aren't those... operas not tone poems?

just downloaded the scores for those two. (among others) Strauss is a master orchestrator

>> No.53122879

>>53122805
>insinuates that Mozart lacks "feeling"
>posts a piece by Monsieur Twilight Soundtrack and calls it "underrated"

>> No.53122899
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>they weren't joking when they implied they liked r. strauss

>> No.53122922

>>53122828
mozart defense force relies on muh composer vs your composer
need some new tactics there m8.

comparing composers based on who wrote your favorite pieces for each instrumentation/form is just silly

Strauss wins in opera imo :^)

>> No.53122974

>>53122879
you need to get over twilight. no one with taste even payed attention to those films, let alone their soundtracks. were you butthurt that Mozart was left out of the score?

>> No.53122986

>>53122863
yeah well i only reads the words i want to read on 4chan

>> No.53123002

In my experience, sight reading helps understand music from past or dfferent cultures more than anything. When you feel like youre speaking a phrase rather than stumbling through a collection of notes, then youre learning how to say words. When you can learn every phrase well enough you can put them together to form subjects, and when you can put together subjects you can play a work.

Yeah, its as hard as learning to read for the first time. You just probably dont remember how much little you worked to learn how to read. Theres also not going to be as many chances to learn how to read throughout the day, so that makes it harder. If it was easy it wouldnt be art.

>> No.53123007

>>53122922
>Strauss wins in opera imo
Mozart confirmed for better than Strauss.

>> No.53123031

>>53122974
>PIDF in full defense mode

>> No.53123222

>>53123007
his writing is just so lush and interesting. Mozart may have pioneered the genre as a social happening, but Strauss took it to the limits, expressing things Mozart never could have.

>>53122805
I love this quartet

>> No.53123298

>>53123222
>platitudes
*yawn*

>> No.53123742

>>53122492
richard strauss more like dick shitss

>> No.53124471

gershwin >>>>>>>>>>>>> bernstein

thoughts

>> No.53124674

>>53124471
my ranking of populist american composers is like this

barber > gershwin > bernstein > copland >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> daugherty

keep in mind im not an expert!!!

>> No.53124815

>>53124674
barber could be kind of a stretch there though but still, good composer overall

>> No.53124938
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53124938

>>53124674
>no Ives

>> No.53125035

>>53124938
none of my other favorites either, do you count ives as a populist really?

his 1st quartet is absolutely the loveliest work of music written on american soil though, no doubt

>> No.53125885

>>53125035
Ives is as American and for the common man as Copland or Gershwin.

Making difficult music doesn't change that.

>> No.53125963

>>53124471
They're too different to properly compare.

>>53124674
>no Rodgers

>> No.53126007

>>53122879
Twitards only listen to his early works like Clair de lune or Valse romantique

>>53123222
>Mozart may have pioneered the genre as a social happening

Can you just stop with your shitty opinions

>> No.53126162

>>53125963
kenny?

>> No.53126324

>>53123222
>Mozart may have pioneered the genre
What genre? What fucking genre? Singspiel? Opera buffa? I don't know what you're fucking talking about, because Mozart didn't "pioneer" a single opera genre. Brought some to their absolute apex, sure, but only after they'd been around for decades already.

I get that not everybody likes opera or will be as interested in opera as in other WAM, largely because the vocals are a barrier to so many people, but that's no excuse for prattling tripfags to go around spouting ignorant nonsense. If you don't know the first thing about opera history or conventions, and you (poly) don't, just keep your dumb mouth shut.

>> No.53126562

>>53126324
its poly man

>> No.53126828

>>53126324
you seem angry anon. I'd argue that Verdi did more for opera musically. Mozart and Handel helped make opera into a social event where everyone could dress up and go for a night out. Their music pleased the masses, but there's far better opera out there.

>> No.53126934

>>53126324
>>53126562
>Never respond to poly, you'll only encourage him

- R. Strauss

>> No.53127016

>>53126828
Handel is a fucking idiot, but the only one that compare to Mozart with Opera are Weber, Wagner, Massenet.

God Poly can you shut the fuck up

>> No.53127057

>>53126934
>moot is gone
>CLT is gone
>Ame is gone
>Crudblud is gone
>poly is still here
Our god is a cruel one indeed.

>> No.53127079

>>53127057
Don't forget Papillons is still here as well, and btrl left /mu/ forever

>> No.53127117

>>53126828
Literally no sentence in this post is historically accurate.

>> No.53127119

>>53127079
Bio leaving is a good thing though. He still shows up anyways to shitpost so who cares?
I don't mind Papillons that much tbh,

>> No.53127327

>>53126934
>Martinu and Schnittke fanatics are never to be trusted
-taxes
>>53127057
clts still there (and i like him more now than as a trip welp), ame's still there every now and then to whine about harnoncourt and historical recordings, and crudblud's a stockhausen/zappa/messiaen apologist anyway

rip moot though, 4chans gonna wither without his loving touch. i've been here for way too long tbh, hope this place never dies cos i wouldnt know where to go ;_;

>> No.53127389

>>53127327
If worst comes to worst we can always go to musikchan.

>> No.53127430

>>53127327
The biggest problem with CLT was always the anons who would react to seeing his tripcode, not anything he actually said.

>> No.53127549

>>53127430
yeah well that was part of it but it wasn't just that

whatever though

>> No.53127891

>>53127327
I'm sure moot will still pop up on /a/ sometimes.
He never liked /mu/ anyways.
;_;

>> No.53128619

>>53127327
but schnittke and martinu are good. not the goat but still pretty good

>> No.53128740

>>53128619
yeah but I'm a fanatic. not so much for Schnittke but definitely Martinů. Symphonies 1 and 4 are my favorite symphonies of all time. my trip even comes from the love of Schnittke and Martinů.
definitely dont trust me

>> No.53130413

>>53127057
>any of those
>good at all
you reek new

>> No.53130626

>>53122539
UNDERRATED!!! we got some underrating here!!!
stink underrater GO BACK TO HOVEL!!!!!

>> No.53130683

What are some composers/compositions which have a lead violin with a similar sound to Szymanowski violin concerto 1?

>> No.53130996

I fucking love Richard Strauss, he has the most based bass parts and had such a beautiful composition style

>> No.53131962

>>53130683
Maybe Schnittke's First Violin Concerto, the later ones get progressively more dissonant and weird

>> No.53132110

>>53130683
>>53131962
also Berg's and Bartok's concertos for violin

>> No.53132534

>>53130996
>muh bass in /classical/

Holy shit, these people exist

>> No.53132588

>>53132534

I almost fell for it. Well done

>> No.53132591

>>53132534
when someone says "he has great [instrument] parts", its usually because they play that instrument, and have played that composers pieces in their orchestra/s

its something you think about when you're writing a piece. will the players enjoy this part? have I given them enough material to keep them interested? I'm trying to strive to not only make something sound good, but make it fun to play and idiomatic for the various instruments in the orchestra.

I remember I had a piece played that totally neglected the timpani. he had to wait 3 minutes then play 1 note. I felt bad for him in rehearsals. Orchestras are people too, and if your piece is fun to play (and the individual parts sound good), people will want to play it.

>> No.53132607

>>53124471
I can see it. Personally, I prefer Bernstein's more "unpredictable" style. But Gershwin is an original spirit which I can appreciate.

>> No.53132651

Ives is tha fuckin' shizzle.

>> No.53132665

>>53132591
When someone says "hi my name is poly" it's usually because they're a brain dead faggot who doesn't know anything.

>> No.53132674

>>53122805
my favorite quartet

>> No.53132679

>>53132665
when somebody says "Hi I'm Anonymous" it's often the same tbh

>> No.53132727

I-I actually like poly...

>> No.53132733

>>53132679
Grow a personality, dingbat
>"hurr lurr, Bach Mozart and Beethoven are of equal worth"
Nice meme, chucklecunt

>> No.53132744

>>53132727
Shut the fuck up poly

>> No.53132750

Haydn is the reason why people think learning music theory will limit their creativity.

>> No.53132766

>>53132733
I feel like putting one over the other is pointless because inevitably, one will be your favorite when, by the next day, another has taken its place.
I change my mind so often that its not worth it.
>>53132750
is that a diss at Haydn because Haydn was very creative. Listen to his piano sonatas

>> No.53132809

>>53132766
Listen to me fuck your sister, Elliot

>> No.53132858

Could Debussy do no wrong? I haven't heard anything he wrote that was outright terrible or too generic. Did any other composers have malformed skulls?

>> No.53132932

>>53132750
the people who think that usually haven't heard Haydn.

wow some anon seems angry tonight

>>53132858
I didn't really like La Mer at first, but it kind of grew on me. >agitated water in a saucer

>> No.53132964

>>53132932
what didn't you like about la mer?

>> No.53133002

>>53132932
Better learn to love it because he lived in a time where people actually sailed in ships in order to travel. In modern times you've only got people like John Luther Adams who's probably never crossed the ocean on anything other than an airplane writing inauthentic music about the ocean based on footage he saw on TV most likely. We can't honestly make music like that anymore because this gay earth is so different now.

>> No.53133021

>>53133002
adams lived in alaska for a long time. he probably went ice fishing and camped in igloos on frozen lakes

>> No.53133031
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>>53132964
I guess I fell into the trap of expecting something huge and powerful. I had to adapt and accept the piece as it was, and now I enjoy it

Does make me want to write a huge powerful piece about the sea, maybe something inspired by Turner

>> No.53133039

>>53133002
you can still sail in a ship to travel and cross the sea it's just that airplanes are more cconvenient and faster

>> No.53133099

>>53133031
That's something good about the pussy, how he didn't make (excuse the meme) firetruck tunes.

>> No.53133135

>>53133031
Writing about nature is really amazing but only if it's authentic.

>> No.53133177
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>>53133135
yeah can't write about shit you dont feel. hence why I'm writing a symphony inspired by the countryside where I spent my teenage years. huge rolling hills and clean clear skies.

they shot a lot of lord of the rings there

>> No.53133241

>>53133177
I was gonna suggest write a number about all the Uruk-hai like Lorde since you must've seen lots. Related is one of my favorite preludes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71SqlSco97U

>> No.53133293

>>53133241
damn that guy could play the piano.

supposedly he sight read le sacre with Stravinsky in a 4 hands piano version. would have loved to see that.

>> No.53133330

>>53133293
I've felt like I have a tiny pee-pee ever since I watched after 8:25 of this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIMzL2-4bjg

At least I don't always like his interpretations, although I think he rules at Debussy.

>> No.53133521

I absolutely love Richard Strauss. For me he may well be the best composer of the 20th century (all those operas and Vier Letzte Lieder).

Favorite tone poem: Ein Heldenleben.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGYGphMpXJk

>> No.53133614

>>53133177
I saw a guy at my university play the entire rite in an arrangement for solo piano. shit was amazing

>> No.53133629

>>53133614
meantfor>>53133293

>> No.53133652

>>53126324
Sort of related: I finally got the Così fan tutte recording by Böhm and the Philharmonia Orchestra that I've wanted for some time. I can't wait to listen to it later.

>>53127016
<3

>> No.53133753

G.O.A.T. R. Strauss conductors:

Hebert von Karajan (don't bother, I don't want to fight)
Fritz Reiner
Rudolf Kempe
Karl Boehm (operas)

Others?

>> No.53133827

>>53133753
fricsay, furtwangler

>> No.53133927

>>53133753
He only has a few recordings and typically in awful quality, but there's something about De Sabata's Strauss that sets it apart from everybody else's. Not that surprising since most of the stuff he composed was tone poems.

>> No.53134000

>>53133927
Also Mitropoulos.

>> No.53134701

>It is unclear why de Sabata was allowed to work in Germany by the Nazi regime despite his part-Jewish background.
was de sabata the craftiest jew of them all?

>> No.53134840

>>53133002
Luther Adams was a Park Ranger as I recall it so that's actually a lot more authentic than your ignorant characterization portrays him.

>> No.53134855
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb-0N_9Bsv0&t=6m7s

Finally, a more proper rendering of the Et resurrexit from the Maria Zart mass, where you can actually hear the metrical ambiguity from bar 108 onwards where the dotted breves seriously disrupt the original 2/2 metre. This is so much better than the Tallis scholar recording since they were far too slow and taking this section at a snails' pace completely obscures this wonderful tension between pulse and metre.

Anyway here's my take on the tempo (and ficta), which is slightly slower than the ANS chorus:
http://a.pomf.se/dmzivi.ogg

I've followed Fitch's suggestion exactly, increasing the tempo by 33% at the sesquialtera '3' sign at bar 133 (minim = 75 -> minim = 100), and then doubling the initial tempo at the return to cut C at bar 147 (minim = 150). I particularly like this arrangement since there is a slight slackening of tension in the ternary section, then a sudden acceleration to an absolutely exhilarating finish. A truly unforgettable moment in the greatest of Obrecht's segmentation masses.

>> No.53134857

>>53134840
>After graduating from Cal Arts, Adams began work in environmental protection
maybe not definitively a Ranger but close enough to one.

>> No.53134966
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Is bringing up contemporary-classical a faux pas here?

I need more stuff like Sophie Hutchings, Anna Rose Carter, ect.
qt piano stuff.

>> No.53135092

>>53134966
kelly moran

>> No.53135136

>>53134966
contemporary classical is fine here

Unless it's trite new age shit like what you posted

>> No.53135177

Giving Part's Lamentate another listen and it's a lot better than I remember. Pleasantly surprised

>> No.53135187
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>>53135136
Please dont bully me

>>53135092
Sounds about right, thanks.

>> No.53136141

What are everyone's favorite Bach Cantatas? I have a complete set and want to start listening

>> No.53136323

>>53136141

56, 140, 80, 161, 30.

>> No.53136357

>>53136141
26, 60, 62, 70, 82, 103

>> No.53136397

>>53133753
Mitropoulos (Salome & Elektra)
Erich Kleiber (Rosenkavalier)
Carlos Kleiber (Elektra & Rosenkavalier)

>> No.53137770

>>53136141
I really like no 7.
What set do you have?

>> No.53139321

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BU8KLb64-4

KABLAM

>> No.53139431

>>53124471
anything >>>>>>>>>>>>> bernstein

>> No.53139454

>>53139431
now thats just mean

>> No.53139469

>>53127057
>moot is gone
eh
>CLT is gone
good
>Ame is gone
good
>Crudblud is gone
good
>poly is still here
who cares, he's as inoffensive as a trip can be

>> No.53139478

>>53139431
Gee don't hate on people just because they got Marx all wrong

>> No.53139522

>>53139469
Crudblud was like poly, sans the idiotic opinions

>> No.53139555

>>53137770
Suzuki -- I compiled it from the separate releases but heard a complete set is releasing this spring

>> No.53139570

i need your help /classical/.

http://picosong.com/LPCB/
is this piano theme from a beethoven piece, from kagel or something original from the interpreters?
(album is "Play Mauricio Kagel: Ludwig van" - Frédéric Blondy & DJ Lenar)

>> No.53139740

>>53139570
probably this, no?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l8vPWFIgxI
>Kagel also made films, with one of the best known being Ludwig van (1970), a critical interrogation of the uses of Beethoven's music made during the bicentenary of that composer's birth (Griffiths 1978, 188). In it, a reproduction of Beethoven's studio is seen, as part of a fictive visit of the Beethoven House in Bonn. Everything in it is papered with sheet music of Beethoven's pieces. The soundtrack of the film is a piano playing the music as it appears in each shot. Because the music has been wrapped around curves and edges, it is somewhat distorted, but Beethovenian motifs can still be heard. In other parts, the film contains parodies of radio or TV broadcasts connected with the "Beethoven Year 1770". Kagel later turned the film into a piece of sheet music itself which could be performed in a concert without the film—the score consists of close-ups of various areas of the studio, which are to be interpreted by the performing pianist.

>> No.53139940

>>53139740
so it should be a beethoven piece (but it still could be something original, i can't find any good info on the album).
would love to know what it is since i really like that melody.

>> No.53139986

>>53139940
no, it's an aleatoric kagel piece that consists of fragments of beethoven pieces
just download a set of complete beethoven piano works and listen to that if you want to hear where those fragments come from

>> No.53140122

>>53139986
it sounds very coherent, so i don't really think the main theme is taken from different pieces.
i'm not going to listen to beethoven's complete piano works for that, i just hoped it was some well-known piece or that someone would recognize it by chance.

>> No.53140208

>>53140122
>i'm not going to listen to beethoven's complete piano works for that,
they're worth listening to anyway

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Clearly the superior Romantic symphonists.

>> No.53141373

>>53132858
>Plebussy
>doing anything right

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>>53140866
>no facial hair
>bald
>superior

>> No.53142014

Why is early music from serial composers so good. It's like they got bored with it and searched for something new. Im Sommerwind is bretty gud.

>> No.53142081

>>53142014
It's not just the second Viennese guys, even guys like Carter and Xenakis knew tonal music extremely well.

>> No.53142090

>>53141956
Is Brahms better if you have studied music and such? I've never really gotten into it.

>> No.53142095

>>53142014
>Webern
>Schoenberg
>Berg
>serial

>> No.53142132

>>53142095
Ok, they used serial techniques, my mistake. Don't be so anal.

>> No.53142154

>>53142090
I don't think you need to study music in order to appreciate Brahms, but he certainly isn't a go-to-guy if you like grand effects and broad brush strokes.

>> No.53142301

>>53142132
Serial techniques would imply organization of not just pitches, but dynamics, articulation, and so on. It's simply a distinction from post-war/Darmstadt composers that took it to bizarre levels of fetishism and worship of Schoenberg and his disciples.

Might as well say, to make up for my asshole post, that Schoenberg was very much a master composer of the Late-Romantic style, and that he saw his post-Op. 12 (???) pantonal (or atonal, whichever you prefer) music as a natural, necessary evolution, and wished to compose in his 12-tone technique in similar grandiose of the Late-Romantic style. Of course, the post-war composers, like Boulez, would criticize him for trying to justify his compositional method using pre-existing forms like sonata, rondo, etc.

SDF or whoever can correct me on this.

>> No.53142542

Poly is fine, he's just overly enthusiastic.

>> No.53142734

>>53142542
Shut the fuck up poly

>> No.53143473

>>53142154
sdf, what do you think of Brahms?

Favorite works?

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53143675

>>53140866
>>53141956
>not Franz Schubert

mark of the pleb

>> No.53143727

>>53143675
Attempts to look upon Schubert as a herald of the Romantic era are not convincing; in the final count he must be placed among the Classical composers. It is true that formal grace and balance in his compositions are often sacrificed to the exuberance of his imagination, but Romanticism is not the tendency to distort or modify Classical forms, but to dispense with them; and this Schubert was incapable of doing. Except the Fourth Symphony, none of his works bears a title of his own bestowing, none carries a programme, none is labelled with extra-musical hints. On the contrary - and the point has been made - his mature work grows more conventional.

>> No.53143757

>>53143727
nice Beethoven copy pasta

>> No.53143769

>>53143473
Favorite 19th century composer after Beethoven, and probably the most convincing balance of form and content in tonal music after Beethoven.

Serenade No. 1, Op. 11
Piano Concerto No. 1, Op. 15
Serenade No. 2, Op. 16
Horn Trio, Op. 40
Ein Deutsches Requiem, Op. 45
Motets, Op. 74
Violin Sonata No. 1, Op. 78
Violin Sonata No. 3, Op. 108
String Quintet, Op. 111
Clarinet Quintet, Op. 115
Piano Pieces, Op. 116-119
Chorale Preludes, Op. 122

>> No.53143915

>>53143727
>but Romanticism is not the tendency to distort or modify Classical forms, but to dispense with them;
Literally not the case if you consider the history of sonata form as a template in the 19th century, one charged with the nimbus of paying homage to the "classical" masters.

>and this Schubert was incapable of doing.
Except in his lyric piano pieces and the songs, which, as we all know, are entirely accidental to his oeuvre.

>none is labelled with extra-musical hints.
Conveniently ignores the fact that Schubert takes self-quotation of works with text in instrumental music to new heights.

Schubert's early works are emblematic of the formally melodic Romantic post-classical style, even though he achieves a more classical balance in some later works, 19th century techniques continue to play a major part in his instrumental music, most of all the tendency towards parenthetic, loosely organized form and an introduction of melodic figurative variation into the once goal-directed sonata form.

>> No.53144533

>>53142301
meh, what you're referring to is sometimes referred to as 'total serialism' to differentiate it from the serialism of the 2nd viennese school. it's just a matter of agreeing on definitions here: if you take serialism to mean 'music using series as an organizational tool' or something like that, then it is perfectly appropriate to refer to the svs guys as serialists, as far as i'm concerned at least.

>> No.53144566

>>53143769
reminder to everyone to listen to that serenade if you haven't already

also
>piano concerto no. 1
>not 2
unusual

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>tfw can't stop listening to Prokofiev

I need to listen to some other composer. Any suggestions?

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Requesting someone to reupload the pdf's and resources folder.

>> No.53144695

Stockhausen > minimalism

>> No.53144720

>>53144695
Hey now minimalism is bad but it isn't that bad.

>> No.53144724

>>53144695
Some Stockhausen (Stimmung) is pretty much minimalism though

>> No.53144814

>>53144672
bartók

>> No.53144879

>>53143769
Good list, but its missing His Cello Sonatas and Piano Quartets.

>> No.53145028

is dvoraks 9th to be taken seriously or merely a meme

>> No.53145088

Who are some good conductors for Schubert's symphonies?
I have Blomstedt's cycle already but I want to try out more.

>> No.53145105

>>53145028
It's a great symphony.

Do listen to Kabasta's and Fricsay's recordings.

>> No.53145132

>>53145105
i

>> No.53145155

>>53145088
It's good overall. The second movement is most well-known for its melody. I need more Dvorak in my life.

>>53145088
Harnoncourt

>> No.53145170

>>53142081
Xenakis knew tonal music well but he either wasn't great at tonal harmony or deliberately ignored it. Messiaen didn't even teach him counterpoint. Honegger pointed out parallel fifths and octaves in xenakis' counterpoint and xenakis' response was "but I like them". Also Babbitt apparently loved musical theater and knew thousands of songs from the 20s and 30s.

>> No.53145173

>>53145105
im listening to the karajan/wiener philharmoniker '85 release right now

is my experience of this symphony now forever ruined?

>> No.53145225

>>53145088
Markevitch for 3/4
Busch for 5 (listen to how GOAT it is immediately: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bATYUKx4g1E)
Furtwängler BPO for 8/9

>>53145173
Probably not, Karajan's Vienna recordings tend to be livelier than his late BPO ones because he didn't have full control over them and they played as they liked anyways

>> No.53145264

>>53144672
'vinsky or 'kovich

>> No.53145302

>>53145155
While Dvořák is an excellent symphonist, I really enjoy his chamber music.

Try out his piano quintets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn7VmoJ7_AQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q35ayW9J5t4

>> No.53145324

>>53145028
it's alright as long as it's played swiftly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASJEjUbtcwE

>> No.53145349

>>53145155
>>53145302
Didnt, mean to post the same one twice. Swap this one for the first link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiXx2kBV2e8

>> No.53145411

>>53145105

>not Neumann

>>53145028

It's got very strong themes in each of the four movements, so I can understand the appeal. Dvorak got pissy when people started saying that it was all based on 'negro music' though, so it's not as memetic as people want it to be.

>>53145155

Listen to Symphony 7 next. And then the cello concerto and Stabat Mater

>> No.53145427

>>53144695
new complexity > spectralism > minimalism > polystylism > new simplicity > post-minimalism >>>> neoromanticism

>> No.53145473

>>53145302
>>53145349
>>53145411
>piano quintet

Nice, thanks. I'll check those out now. I recently picked up a compilation of his 4 piano trios played by the Lanier Trio. I'll upload it now. I feel the need to listen to him during this storm.

>> No.53145493

>tfw Rusalka isn't performed enough

It's got one of the most beautiful soprano arias ever written

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwuNqcKUxto

I've got the goblin-king's aria from it on my to-learn list, and since I'm now sort of friends with a couple of Czechs after meeting them at a bar a few times, they might be able to help me with my pronunciation.

>> No.53145548

>>53145411
>It's got very strong themes in each of the four movements, so I can understand the appeal.
like the start of the 4th movement, i can't believe someone actually wrote that

>> No.53145607

>>53145548

I've always been more enamoured with the brass theme that comes in for the 4th movement, rather than the 'Jaws' theme you get right at the opening.

>> No.53145645

>>53145607
It's debatable if that's even a theme, or just a motivic introduction.

>> No.53145694

>>53145645

Ok, poor choice of words.

>> No.53145700

>>53145645
stop being a cunt, you know what they mean

>> No.53145791

>>53145700
I know what they mean, and think there's a better word for it, which they might be interested in knowing.

>> No.53145833

Top 8 Operas

>1. Die Zauberflote
>2. Die Meistersinger von Nuernberg
>3. La Traviata
>4. Il Barbiere di Siviglia
>5. Don Giovanni
>6. Eugene Onegin
>7. Bluebeard's Castle
>8. Gounod's Faust

Best Song Cycle
>Winterreise

>> No.53145868

>>53145833
>no Le Nozze di Figaro at the top
>no Le Nozze di Figaro at all

>> No.53145874

>>53145791
i was interested in knowing it, thank you for your help

>> No.53145987

>>53145868
Consider me the faggot that forgot to type
>4.Il Barbiere di Siviglia/Le Nozze di Figaro
I can't decide between the two of them.

>no Le Nozze di Figaro at the top
Der Hölle Rache and O Isis und Osiris are god-tier, though I am likely biased due to singing the latter and not having my "high" notes for Non Piu Andria and La Vendetta.

>> No.53146048

>>53145833
>die zauberflöte

Yes. Best Mozart opera.

>> No.53146096

>>53145833
>no richard strauss
>no puccini

how very remiss of you.

>> No.53146248

>>53146096
If I kept adding, the list would get too long and I would feel conflicted about the places.

>9. Der Rosenkavalier
>10. La Boheme/Madame Butterfly

>> No.53146344

>>53146248
here's my outrageous list

1. die zauberflote
2. ariadne auf naxos
3. fanciulla del west
4. tristan und isolde

>> No.53146403

>>53145833

No particular order and I'm doing 10 because 8 is a strange number

1. L'Italiana in Algeri
2. Le Nozze di Figaro
3. Billy Budd
4. Falstaff
5. Parsifal
6. Dido and Aeneas
7. Bluebeard's Castle
8. Salome
9. Tosca
10. Pelleas et Melisande

Song cycles I've been enjoying of late (I reckon the British do the second-best song cycles after the Germans, so I've been exploring the repetoire a little bit more):

Let Us Garlands Bring - Finzi
A Shropshire Lad - Somervell
Sea Pictures - Elgar
Canticles - Britten (not technically a proper song cycle, but close enough that they count

>> No.53146433

>>53145987

>letting the music you can perform dictate your favourites

This is the worst thing about singers. And I say this as one.

>> No.53146562

>>53146403
>Let Us Garlands Bring - Finzi
Mein neger. Love singing Who Is Sylvia. It's nice to have a Bass song that expresses some sort of positive emotion.

>>53146433
It's not just about being able to sing it. While I love the tempo and comedy of Nozze di Figaro, I prefer the setting and tempo of Zauberflote. I'm still biased as hell, though.

Also, what vocal type are you, anon?

>> No.53146625

>>53146562
Bass-baritone.

>> No.53146791

>>53146562

There's a lot of bass repetoire expressing positive emotion though. Have you never sung any opera buffa? But the Finzi is very good though; check out Earth and Air and Rain if you want another Finzi song cycle with positive emotions.

I'm a bass-baritone ish sort of creature. Comfortable range is F2 up to G4, although I have couple of extra semitones on either side depending on circumstances.

>>53146625

I thought you don't perform anymore though?

>> No.53146799

It really is a shame that no one ever listens to the outer 2 movements of Barber's String Quartet.

>> No.53146817

>>53146791
>I thought you don't perform anymore though?
Doesn't stop me from being a bass-baritone, or singing every once in a while.

>> No.53146836

>>53145833
>Il Barbiere di Siviglia above Don Giovanni
Explain

>> No.53146841

>>53146817

True. What is your favourite piece that you've sung?

>> No.53146856

>>53135177
Beautiful piece. Understandable that Pärt is one of the most performed living composers

top operas not mentioned so far:
1. Rigoletto
2. Elektra
3. Jenůfa
4. Boris Godounov

>> No.53146874

>>53146841
"Non Piu Andria" is up there, along with Schubert's Prometheus and Schoenberg's Book of the Hanging Gardens

>> No.53146881

>>53146836
>>>/daily/
don't come back

>> No.53146918
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53146918

>>53146856
>pre-hiatus Verdi
>romantic Janacek

>> No.53146928

>>53146874

>No more Andrea!

Ayyy.

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53146954

>>53146918
>schütz

>> No.53146958

>>53146791
Bb2 to F4 here. Do you recommend any specific arias or art songs? What are your personal favorites?

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>>53146954
u hatin' on Schütz fag?

>> No.53147091

>>53146836
One is the greatest opera buffs ever composed, and the other is a fedora opera.

>> No.53147154

>>53146954
sdf is entitled to his opinion, but let us not speak ill of schütz

>>53146918
>doesn't like infanticide
step it up

>> No.53147254
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53147254

>>53146996
>>53147154
Eh, Schütz is alright. No Lassus or Palestrina when it comes to Madrigals though.

>> No.53147395

>>53147254
That's literally the worst pseudo-sophisticated post I've seen all week, tauting Palestrina as a major composer of madrigals

Do you even Monteverdi

>> No.53147413

>>53147395
Yes I Monteverdi. Calm down.
English School is underrated.

>> No.53147464

>>53147413
Also, judging Schütz by his first published work is pretty silly, and a really retarded way to try to show off your taste

>> No.53147477

>>53147464
I'm well aware of this. Again, relax.

>> No.53147479

>>53146958

Do you mean Bb1? Bb2 is still on the stave for the bass clef and would make you a baritone, not a bass (and unable to sing O Isis und Osiris), so I'm going to assume you meant

I like a mixture of stuff. If you've got that lower range, you might want to consider angling yourself towards the 'low' roles; often performers in this niche will have 4 or 5 parts which they know and will sing mostly those for most of their career, as they're always in demand.

Stuff like:

>O Wie will ich triumphieren - from Die Entfuhrung auf dem Serail (Mozart)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7OMOFJACB4

>Claggart's Aria - from Billy Budd (Britten)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNtWZfR6HYo

You can also have a go at some lyric buffo roles (Don Magnifico, Doctor Basilio, Don Alfonso, Mustafa) which can be fun to do.

Then there are a number of roles for low bass in Wagner operas, which can build up another side of your repetoire.

For art songs, it's often a question of looking through a composer's back catalogue and finding stuff that you like. Most composers wrote songs, so chances are that if you pick a composer at random, you'll find something you're interested in singing by them if you look hard enough

>> No.53147757

>>53147479
Yeah, that's what I meant. To make sure I'm not saying it wrong again, it's the B-flat below the low D in Osmin's aria. I've tried working on that aria, but the consistent high D kills me.

As for the buffos, I'm looking at Bartolo and Leporello and I'll definitely take a closer look at Alfonso and Mustafa.


Thanks for the advice, Anon.

>> No.53147881

>>53147479

Whoops, meant Doctor Bartolo, Basilio is a Don.

There are also some low bass parts in some Verdi operas I think, like in Don Carlos with the Inquisitor. There's also Baron Ochs in Der Rosenkavalier.

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53147929

/pol/ here. Who jewed music worse Schoenberg or Mahler?

>> No.53147959

>>53147929
Wagner killed tonality and the forms associated with it

>> No.53148006

>>53147929
Mendelssohn

>> No.53148011

>>53147929
>>53147959
kek. it was the nazis that fucked it. jews were regenerate.

>> No.53148093

>>53139478
I lol'd.
You seem nice :^)

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53148420

>He doesn't like Vaughn Williams

>> No.53148484

>>53148420

Nothing wrong with a bit of Ralphy VW

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53148695

tfw my favorite opera is 'Neither'

>> No.53149270

how do i find classical bros to perform/practice with? i play cello and guitar but i'm tired of practicing bach by myself

>> No.53149325

What's a good performance of Mozart's 38th symphony?

>> No.53149528

>>53149325
maderna

>> No.53150896

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJK3eUP5Hvg

bump with funky strauss

>> No.53150993

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh8q6CfhjtI

there's something hilarious in the total lack of expression in that opening

>> No.53151562

>>53149325
Mackerras for something newer. Schuricht for something not so new. and Talich, Kubelik, Beecham from Jurassic and Cretaceous eras.

>> No.53151859

>>53146918
>pre-hiatus Verdi

wat?

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53152135

Happy birthday, Mozart!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkxbgmjzDq8

>> No.53152467

>>53151859
I guess he doesn't like middle period Verdi (which includes la triviata and most of his output)

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