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>>55725819
i hate most white males, but he truly felt white guilt to the point of killing himself, i almost feel sorry for him. he was one of the good whites.

>>55725874
>listened to TPAB once

>>55725874
>implying he killed himself for any reason other than his indiscriminate internal void

>>55725874
Yeah you should join him

what if you dont hate homosexuals you just think they're a mistake

>>55725874
>>55725874
>he truly felt white guilt to the point of killing himself
I don't believe that all. Proof/evidence/suggestive evidence?

The guy was just depressed and very sensitive. He thought fame and writing some good music would make him happy. He couldn't have it. It didn't fulfill him. He couldn't be happy.

>>55725983
>his indiscriminate internal void
aka his whiteness

>>55725998
That's not very culturally enriched of you

>>55725994
edgy. said like a true person who's never experienced hard pain.

>>55726000
>>55725983

are you guys so dumb as to not realize courtney killed him.

she is the sole source of the idea he was suicidal

>>55725998
They are, probably. I mean, if you believe in evolution. I don't hate them, either. I have lots of gay friends that are cool.

>>55726011
>>>/b/.

nirvana=average rock band

>>55726034
She was the Yoko Ono of Kurt Cobain.

Also, proof/evidence/suggestive evidence that she is the originator of that claim?

>>55726034
What about his journals? He seemed like a depressive through every avenue I've analyzed him.

this

>>55726065

like what.

being depressed is not the same as being suicidal

>>55726065
What's the name of that musician friends with Kurt who claimed she killed him who mysteriously died a day after he was taped saying that?

>>55726088
>being depressed is not the same as being suicidal
you can't be fucking serious m8 really?
10/10 if bait but if not...

>>55726052
Nah an average band doesn't make In Utero. They also have some of the best noise songs ever written under their belt.

>>55726108
El Duce of the Mentors

>>55726123
>Nirvana
>Noise

>>55726123
but bleach and nevermind are better

>>55726145
>Scentless Apprentice
>not noise

>>55725819

"or go and see the Foo Fighters."

>>55726183
I disagree but I think all of their albums are great

"also have some of the best noise songs ever written under their belt"

hahahaha, 12 years fagot detected.

one Word FUGAZI

>>55725819
I'm glad he killed himself.

>>55726200

true. and sooooooo pop at the same time. great song great band

>>55726221
mu agrees with you.

but u r rong

if i have to hear all apologies or heart shaped box one more time. played over and over and over on the radio.

dumb is good tho

>>55726228
Kurt Cobain was one of the best noise singers ever and if you had an objective bone in your body you'd realize that.

>>55726063
So if it wasn't for her Kurt's music would be even more shitty? Hm, I can actually believe that.

>>55726200
hey. jesus lizard. big black

>>55726145
Have you ever listened to anything other than Nevermind?

>>55726237
That's what I love about Kurt, he could be either extreme whenever.

>>55726213

Poop Fighters= the most repetitive, mediocre, generic pop rock band ever.

>>55725998
What if I don't hate homosexuals, I just think they're defective, that sodomy is a sin and that "gay culture" is destructive and horrible?

>>55726272
Thanks for listing noise bands I already know about, but why

>>55726034
ah yes

courtney fucking love. the woman who can't go a day without name dropping and/or blabbing shit she isn't supposed to say, is a criminal mastermind who was able to get away with murdering one of the most famous rock stars of all time.

retards

>>55726274
Merzbow is noise. The Gerogerigegege Is noise. GodWeenSatan is noise. Nirvana is not noise.

>>55726262
For fuck's sake. He sold commercial,sterile angsty pop anthems to angsty children.

People like to convince themselves that there's some substantial thematic difference between the grunge of the 90s and the hair metal of the 80s, but really, they're just the same boring, creatively devoid commercial phenomenon rock music wearing a different coat of paint.

>>55726292
You'd be right that they are defective and that gay culture is awful but also an idiot since you still believe in religion

>>55726108
>implying

>>55726333
I'm sorry it's my fault I have a thing for calling noise rock just noise

>>55726274

Have you ever listened to anything other than Nirvana?

"KURT COBEIN IS THE BEST!!!!!!!!!"

>>55726349
yeah except 80s pop anthems were actually fun. What would you rather hear at a party?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSdu9Zw6R54

or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqseYiGA0us

>>55726360
Nah, GodWeenSatan is noise rock and lowfi as well, idk what he's talking about

>>55726333
grunge was highly influenced by noise rock

duh

PEE PEE PRESSED AGAINST MY LIPS

>>55726351
>I've never read a theology or philosophical book in my life, but I'll hand wave all religion because i grew up with shitty american biblical literalists

>>>/reddit/

>>55726360
Nirvana is not noise rock, it's commercial pop music with an edgy coat of paint. Any standard that calls Nirvana noise rock has to call Cradle of Filth or Slipknot hyper-experimental anti-music.

>>55726356
I want to FUCK her

>>55726349
The only thing that fits the definition of your first paragraph is Nevermind was which was really the exception to the rule. Even on Nevermind was Endless Nameless which is a straight up noise song.

I'll give you an opportunity to disprove my claim that Cobain was anything less than an excellent noise singer.

>>55726387
Grunge is essentially just dumbed-down doom metal.

>>55726246
Doesn't mean they aren't fucking amazing songs

>>55726417
You have obviously never heard anything other than Nevermind.

>>55726423
r u ok

>>55726435
Soundgarden* is essentially just dumbed-down doom metal.

>>55726262
I do in fact have an objective bone on my body
>Your mother loved it last night

>>55726435

yeah no

It's weird. Kurt had GOAT taste in music, and not a single semblance of the stuff he liked is hinted at in his music.

>>55726262
Big fan of Kurt and a big fan of noise rock.

I'm not sure I'm with you on this.
I do understand he was pulling more and more from noise rock, and that his vocals could easily have translated into noise rock, but...

>>55726417
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7B-AlKTdGQ

>>55726477
Your ears are broken, anon.

>>55726423
what's wrong with you

PEARL JAM or SOUNDGARDEN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nirvana

>mfw like noise rock quite a bit but appreciate Nirvana mainly for writing some excellent pop songs

>>55726488
If your fanbase consists of people like this

You are not noise

>>55726450
yes

>>55726379

>going to parties

>>55726498
Nah. I don't get any daniel johnston or public image limited vibes from him at all.

>>55726502
>pearl Jam
>better than any band

>>55726521
He was the biggest pop act of his era.

Like imagine if Lady GaGa actually made art pop, what her fans would be blabbering about.

>>55726526
Is Kurt the only man she's had sex with?

>>55726477

90% of Nirvana songs could be Pixies songs.

>>55726535
Yeah, it wouldn't suit you. Stay well away from fun.

>>55726521
If they never signed to Geffen you wouldn't have this opinion

>>55726432
>excellent
>prove
Can't do that. It's subjective. What I can do is prove that he is not a noise singer. (The onus of proof should lie with you but w/e) All of his vocal lines are melodic, pretty much everything he does is radio-friendly. (Tracks off In Utero still get played on fucking current hit radio today) As I say, Cradle of Filth are a whole lot more inaccessible, abrasive, thematically challenging, unconventional, and noisy than Nirvana, so if Nirvana is noise rock then they are hyper-experimental.

>>55726483
What're you trying to say

>>55726566
Noise rock isn't noise music.
Do you even like noise rock? Why are you typing?

>>55726483

>Endless, Nameless
>Milk It
>Tourrettes
>Gallons of Rubbing Alcohol

I could go on... He made a ton of noise rock along with commercial pop punk hard rock.

>>55726566

See
>>55726590

Noise is more of a credibility or authenticity than anything.

>>55726545
no

>>55726455
Grunge generally is just dumbed-down doom metal. It has crossed over into the mainstream, and people like you, who clearly have no experience of doom metal, get amazed and bewildered by ther apparently 'new' ideas in grunge, which are really just ripped and packaged for a mainstream audience from doom metal

>>55726415
kierkegaard is awful, and if you believe that being subject to a king is an adequate understanding of the universe then you should just kill yourself

>>55726590
Sure man, and the influence was asserting itself more as he progressed.

This doesn't mean his partial influence makes him a noise rock band, and it doesn't make him one of the best noise rock vocalists ever. Could have been, should have been? Maybe. But he didn't roll noise rock hard enough for it.

>>55726521
>fanbase = genre

>>55726616
Kurt was way bigger than Eddie

>>55726589
Yeah, I fucking love noise rock. I just hate the shit out of Nirvana. They're a radio pop band for retards and jocks. At least Kurt Kobain had the common decency to kill himself overwhat a disgusting sellout he was.

>>55726617
>who clearly have no experience of doom metal

Do you know where you are posting, bro?

>>55726640

no

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMmp5rGtW4Q

>>55726646
So why would you say that melodic work is not noise rock, if you love it so much?

Are you making a technical point here, or just relieving some emotional baggage?

>>55726622
how does it feel knowing you've surpassed yourself so far into narrow-minded nihilist edginess you've become a meme? a living, breathing meme. must be sad.

tutt tut now, you've got a camus book to masturbate to. one must imagine Sisyphus happy, right? good day ;^)

>>55726664
That was because Kurt would have Kanye moments.

Just because that happens, and the media responds to the antics in a similar way, doesn't mean Beck is more popular than Kanye.

>>55726628
Never said they were a noise band but they did make noise music (I don't know what else to call Negative Creep). I also don't know what to call Kurt's screams other than absolutely mind blowing.

>>55726664
what's this supposed to prove?

>>55726683
Sure, he was a fantastic vocalist.
But this doesn't mean he was a GOAT noise rock singer... because IMO he was not noise rock enough to be considered in the first place.

Also, "noise music" and "noise rock" are very different things.

"I wanted to be a rock star like Led Zeppelin. At the same time, I wanted to write the wimpiest pop songs and also play extreme punk."

>>55726694
>>55726640
you do realize pearl jam was bigger than nirvana in their day right?

>>55726666
That's just one of the traits that's generally alien to noise rock that Nirvana possesses. Genres aren't specific diagnoses, they're vague, blurry adjectives. None of Nirvana's work possesses really any of the characteristics unique to noise rock, and quite a lot of it possesses characteristics that are decidedly against noise rock. (Noise rock is almost inherently experimental and inaccessible. The closest Nirvana comes to that is a superficial sheen of abrasiveness to fool posers who can't tell the difference.

>>55726673
that's a really cool pigeonhole but I'm not a nihilist

>>55726678

Pearl jam was much more popular than nirvana before Cobain death but cornell is the best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh20q3Dx8RI

>>55726622
>*knock knock* "Come on Anon, time to go to Church!"
>"YOURE NOT THE BOSS OF ME MOM IM ON THE INTERNET TRYING TO PROVE STIRNER"

>>55726701
I understand what you're saying completely. I also recognize the difference between noise and noise rock I just have a habit of calling noise rock noise.

>>55726714
Melody is generally alien to noise rock?

Noise rock, let's face it, isn't experimental at all usually. Is usually superficially abrasive and dissonant in a very catchy way, is highly conventional in its song structure, rhythm, and melodic ideas. It's rock/pop plus dissonance.

How do you figure you listen to noise rock?

>>55726628
didn't say Nirvana was a noise rock band, only that they made noise rock songs. Thats like if I called them acoustic rock just because of their unplugged album.

But you have to admit, when they write a noise rock song, its a fucking great. I'm not the dude saying it's the best, or that kurt's the best noise rock singer but when they make noise rock, its pretty great. Like I'd definitely throw together a playlist with those songs, Big Black and other noise rock.

Although, Kurt was just such an exceptional vocalist in general. He could sing a beautiful melody when he wanted it, or produce a yell that was so abrasive that it hit you in the face.

>>55726720
right, you're just the obscure branch of nihilism where you believe everything nihilism teaches but don't want to labeled a nihilist


;^)

>>55726714
>posers who can't tell the difference.
What are you being elitist about noise rock for this isnt the late 80s

>>55726745
Kurt's vocals, by the way, sound massively influenced by Albini's strained vocals.
Very uncanny similarities sometimes.

I'm not saying he didn't have the talent for it, just by the way. I'm just saying he didn't do it.
He could have been second to David Yow.

>>55726751
>not believing in a monarchical religions means you're a nihilist
again, cool pigeonhole friend
:^)

>>55726728
Maybe after Nevermind. But Nirvana was always the giant even when they werent immediately relevant. Like when MC Hammer was the most popular pop artist at the moment but Michael Jackson was still the biggest star in the world.

>>55726741
Melody isn't entirely alien to noise rock, but it's not particularly native to it either. I guess me bringing up the catchy melodies of Nirvana was a bit pointless.

Anyway, yeah, I don't like Sonic Youth. I identify noise rock a lot more with the Swans/Lightning Bolt side of things than the side of things which is essentially pop music for children.

>>55726292

I think you can hate homos women and people of colour and still like nirvana, just too annoy im.

>>55726779
>monarchical religions

*adjusts libertarian pin*
*slides fedora*
*bequeathes copy of Atlas Shrugged*

No Gods, No Masters, m'lady!

>>55726787
>but it's not particularly native to it either

No. They use very simple melodies like punk rock.
It is almost always there. Even if the melody is mostly monotone shouting like punk, this doesn't mean noise rock or punk is getting away from melody.

LB is masssssively melodic.

>>55726772
Kurt does it better in my opinion. That genuine pain, the sparse thickness. There was like no limit to his vocal chord.

>>55726804
Can we not mix up fedoratarians with anarchists? :(

>>55726772
It honestly makes so much sense that he wanted to work with Albini to produce a record. Kurt even considered him for Bleach, but didn't think they'd afford it. But I agree, anon.

>>55726822
Not offended, but I respectfully disagree.

I like Kurt more as a vocalist for the reasons you mention. I won't disagree that he's a better vocalist.
But David Yow is the superior noise rock vocalist, just in particular. What he could do in that genre is superior.

>>55726788
fuck people like you.

>>55726804
Will christians ever get actual arguments other than ad hominem?

>>55726787
Sonic Youth are dope, by the way.
Awesome noise rock for the small amount of time they were doing it.

>>55726616
>All The Rage
>Pearl Jam guy instead of Billy "Rat in a Cage" Corgan

>>55726903
That Time cover predates RIAC.

>>55726903
kek

>>55726859
I think we got to hung up on good "noise rock" vocals. What about just screamy vocals in general I guess. Henry Rollins on the last three songs of My War is god tier, and I can tell that was a big influence on Kurt too.

>>55726878
Implying MUH FREEDUMS isn't an inevitable ad hominem

>>55726932
Totally fair. His vocals were incredible

It's good to see a Nirvana fan who isn't shit-tier, by the way.

>>55726953
Dude just because new athiests are fish in a barrel doesn't mean christians are great.

Not even by comparison.

>>55726963
Thanks man, likewise. Also good to see a Nirvana thread not filled with edgy opinions.

>>55726108
WHY WON'T YOU FAGS TALK MORE ABOUT THIS!??!?! FUCK

>>55726820
Having melody =/= being melodic

>>55727038
LB ~pummels~ you with catchy riffs (melodies).

They are melody, melody, melody, melody, melody.
They're dope, though. I would have a Black Pus party with you. <3

>>55727030
Well nobody really believes him because he was known for being an edgy jokester. I do think the incident is too coincedental to be looked past but it's been like 18 years and nothing has surfaced.

>>55727060
wow, this response was already so much better than expected, thanks m8. I just found out about these things and I got pretty spooked by these ideas

>>55726804
wow youre trying really hard anon

this is painful to watch

>>55726108
>>55727030
"Duce claimed in the film, Kurt & Courtney, that he knew who killed Cobain (giving the name "Alan"), but said he would "let the FBI catch him". Two days after that interview was filmed, El Duce was hit by a train in the middle of the night and killed. There were no witnesses to his death"

>>55727125
What makes me mad is that the "NoGods" guys hate the "Fedora Shrugged" guys.

They are not the same. :(

>>55727138
http://vblah.tripod.com/allenwrench.html this is really weird

>>55727179
>I met El Duce at a local Riverside bar called the 6060 club in 1998
>Died: April, 19, 1997

>>55725819
Wow, this fag was insecure as fuck.
Probably because he felt bad about raping that retarded girl.

>>55727211
hmm I noticed this too

>>55727235
He felt guilty because he said Courtney Love was "the best fuck I ever had" at a concert.

>>55726461

Dude think about it.

Courtney Love was likely the only lover he had... in his entire life.

>>55727235
>insecure because he doesn't want to be associated with bigots

>>55727254
He had multiple girlfriends. Tracy Marander, Tobi Vail from Bikini Kill.

>>55727255
Yes.
That's what sjw's are.
They're so terrified of being lumped in with bigots that they try to point their finger at others and attack them so they look like "good people"

>>55727279
like what you're doing now?

>>55727266
She's over-bored and self-assured
Oh no, I know a dirty word

That was a reference to Tracy Marander.

>>55727279
I would do the same thing. Especially after someone raped a girl to my song.

>>55727266
He didn't fuck either, though.

>>55727279
SJWs are just liberals who half ass their conflict.
Don't worry about them. The century of the liberal is over.
Worry about people who want conflict. This is the century of global social unrest.

>>55727286
Damn that sucks. Kurt completely fell out of love with her and I don't think she ever stopped loving him.

>>55727284
No, I go on 4chan and call people fags, because I'm comfortable with my lack of hatred towards gays.
I don't pretend to be offended by 'bigots' to seem cool. You fucking faggot.

>>55725874
>listens to TPAB once

>>55727298
>He didn't fuck either, though.
How do you know

>>55727312
Outspoken anti-SJW is a social justice crusade of its own, though.

If you have a problem, kill someone. If not, you are just bitching like an SJW.

>>55727266
Also Smells Like Teen Spirit came from an episode at a high school party Kurt was at when he was a kid. He slipped off from the party to fuck some girl and when he came back, he picked up the smell of her perfume on his clothes and someone said to him "Gee Kurt, you smell like teen spirit."

>>55727328
Because I am Kurt

AMA

>>55727328
Because they would have slut-shamed him.

>>55727312
You should be offended by bigotry. It's a big fuck you to all of human progression.

"I just wanted to remind you all. If anyone here hates derivative music, edgelords, or people can't play their instruments, then stay the fuck away from us. Don't buy our music and don't come to our shows."

Kurt would've been happier with lower album sales and a cult following that put him on par with bands like The Vaselines: Y/N?

>>55727417
Y

>>55727410
V clever

>>55726026
You can tell I've experienced hard pain

>>55726351
>Implying religion doesn't exist

I know this is not an actual quote, but are their examples of him saying stuff like this?

>>55728106
Closest I can think of

>>55726145
would you make me a sandwich

>>55728493
oh, so he did say this. I couldn't find it on a search anywhere.

>>55725874
>I hate most white males
You should join him

>>55726052
Nirvana = Revolutionary rock band. By today's standards they are average at best though.

>>55728745
In Utero is still fucking awesome though

>>55728767
It is a good album yeah

>>55726063
>She was the Yoko Ono of Kurt Cobain.
John Lennon loved Yoko like crazy. She was good for him just bad for the Beatles who were gonna break up anyway.

>>55726477
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D67iQ6T3U0

>>55725819
I hate women and gays

I guess colored people are OK

>>55726415
You're not religious just because all of your /lit/ heroes were, are you?

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>>55726379
The fact that so many books still name the Beatles as "the greatest or most significant or most influential" rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics are still blinded by commercial success. The Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Rock critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that the Beatles did anything worthy of being saved.

>>55725819
but it's okay to hate white man?

what a hypocritical asshole faggot

>>55725819
maybe he was depressed and suicidal because he had some stupid and erroneous beliefs which he passionately felt to be correct

>>55726301
Don't be mean to the high schoolers

>>55725874
*tips*

>>55726084
it's in a meme, it must be true :^)

RAAAAAAAPE MEEEEEEEEE
RAAAAAAAPE MEEEEEEEEE
RAAAAAAAPE MEEEEEEEEE