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Songs with weird time signatures. I find these interesting, what does /mu/ think?

Pink Floyd - Money (7/4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0kcet4aPpQ

Dave Brubeck - Take Five (5/4, as stated in title)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHdU5sHigYQ

Outkast - Hey Ya (11/4)
https://youtu.be/PWgvGjAhvIw?t=1m5s

Got the obvious out of the way.

>> No.55400481

>>55400372
im not sure about 11/4 on outcast, thats a bit of a stretch. its more like 4/4 with a couple bars of 2/4 thrown in. either way though i never noticed that before, thats neat.

>> No.55400566

>>55400481
ive heard it counted:

12/4 + 2/4 + 8/4

>> No.55400575

>>55400372
>>55400481

>Outkast - Hey Ya (11/4)
>https://youtu.be/PWgvGjAhvIw?t=1m5s [Remove]

>(11/4)

This confused me as shit

>> No.55400578

Here's a fun one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wSkc8TChn0

>> No.55400630

>>55400578
2/4

Where is the fun?

>> No.55400639

>>55400566
why not just 4/4 + 4/4 + 4/4 + 2/4 + 4/4 + 4/4

>> No.55400656

>>55400372
>7/4
>Weird
7/4 is common as shit for lol so quirky "prog" and "experimental" artists

>> No.55400682

https://youtu.be/fRGtY_gvvYE
5/4
freak kitchen has lots of weird time signatures

>> No.55400715

>>55400656
That's the point. It's only common for a certain group, and not music as a whole.

>> No.55400718

>>55400630
Are you serious? Not even close

>> No.55400728

>>55400372
>Hey Ya 11/4

for whatever reason I actually had to check

I guess it was just such a weird suggestion I was interested

completely not true by the way

>> No.55400784

Nothing too complicated, but its kinda cool hearing a polymeter in a pop song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93jsY-YdZ1s

>> No.55400809

What i really hate is when people put songs into weird time signatures for that sake of it being in a weird time signature. They force the lyrics and instruments to "fit" so that they can be all "we're better at music than you"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93jsY-YdZ1s

Gorillaz did this and named it 5/4. They wanted attention. At least their other shit is good.

>> No.55400815

>>55400784
I just wish it wasn't called 5/4

seems like a such a gimmick due to that

>> No.55400840

>>55400815
I know :/ Still one of my favorite songs on the album though

>> No.55400841

>>55400809
it's actually a really cool song... and seems in no way forced as far as timing goes

>> No.55400845

>>55400784
>>55400809
bruh

>> No.55400896

>>55400718
Could you tell what it is then?

>> No.55400932
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55400932

it'd be harder for me to pick a song in 4/4 than to not...
https://expandingsponge.bandcamp.com/album/something-about-that-death
thisis in 11/16 up until 2:43, a bar of 13/16. then it goes and gets real fucky.
8 bars of 11, one of 5, followed by two 11s and another 5. two bars of 14/16 happen, then it goes to a bar of 7 then an 11 and two more 14s. then two 11s, a 7 and three more 11s. ends in 14 for a bar and then a few bars of 31 for the ring out.
i think i posted some of the score?

>> No.55400964

>>55400809
it's very common for songs that aren't 4/4 to be named by their time signature, or for the band to count in the song so that you know, i find this annoying too

>> No.55400994

>>55400809
>They force the lyrics and instruments to "fit"

are you seriously arguing that to arrange for an odd meter is some form of selfish elitism?

>"we're better at music than you"
what kind of an inferiority complex you got going on to take such an innocent act personally? lmfao

>> No.55401009

>>55400896
There are a few, you probably couldn't know all of it without looking at the score, but the "main" one sounds like 9/16.

>> No.55401017

>>55400372
>Hey Ya - 11/4
Seems more like 11/2 or 22/4

>> No.55401084

Animal Collective - Sweet Road is in 13/8 as far as I can tell. except for the middle part obvs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN9DPw6x4tQ

>> No.55401092

>>55400932
>https://expandingsponge.bandcamp.com/album/something-about-that-death

this is pretty interesting

is this you?

>> No.55401112

>>55400932
this shit is horrible. Throwing times signatures around without any coherence like that is the worst.

>> No.55401123

>>55401092
writing yes, it's guitar pro playing though

>> No.55401131

https://youtu.be/orDHGcMk9Ps
https://youtu.be/MvaEmPQnbWk

Both are 17/8, although Crystalline switches to 4/4 in the chorus and Moon switches to 5/8? occasionally

>> No.55401150

I can't help but feel like most 5/4 tracks lend too much from Take 5's rhythm: stressing the 1, the "and" of 2, and 4. Just seems a bit stale.

here's some Austin Peralta.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E3WyWiWnUM

>> No.55401170

>>55401084
but anco is pretentious af.

>> No.55401192

>>55401123
I like it

>>55401112
care to elaborate?

>> No.55401205

>>55401150
yeah I agree. 7/8 sounds natural a lot more often

>>55401170
good criticism

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55401335

26/8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOmfq5Q5GqE

>> No.55401359

>>55400372
When writing songs in odd meter, how do you guys go about it? Settle on the melody/riff that works with the rhythm and go with that, or figure out the drum parts/emphases on the beat, first?

>> No.55401408

>>55401359
honestly if you begin by deciding that you're going to use an odd meter instead of just that happening naturally it's probably going to be pretty mediocre

>> No.55401430

>>55401192
I think the rythm of a piece and the way it can be changed is an essential part of the articulation and the structure of a piece. Keeping an odd time signature for the whole duration is basically using a slightly unusual groove, but nothing really exceptional. Shifting the signature from a meter to another is a great way of taking the song in a different direction and make the listener feel surprised. Altering the rythm every bar or two to basically cancel every feeling of precise alternation between accents thus "removing the rhytm" feels like an unnecessarily complex way to achieve something that you could do in a much easier way with some witty counterpoint.
Sorry for poor explanation but my english is shit

>> No.55401447

Unbelievably basic. /thread

>> No.55401454

>>55401359
I just play for fun and find a rhythm that feels natural despite being in an odd meter, otherwise you risk making it feel forced.

>> No.55401455
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55401455

Odd time signatures are great if done right. Sometimes subtlety works best that obvious ones imo. For example, I can't stand contemporary classical music because you can't find a melody/theme due to the ever changing time signatures and chords. Some tracks that you never expect to have odd time signatures do it well, for example The Beatles' Here Comes The Sun. The song is in 7/8 and 11/8 and 4/4, but the pop sound doesn't make it obvious. Take 5, whose name obviously implies the piece is in 5/4 makes a memorable melody before the solo portion, yet sometimes you'll forget that it has the odd time. Radiohead's 15 Step is also in 5/4 but the downbeat will make it seem that it is a regular 4/4 song until you pay attention.

An example I really enjoy is King Crimson's Starless.

The song starts as a slow "ballad" with minor chords and a dark, moody feeling...yet there is some melancholy there. The intro portion along with the vocals are in regular 4/4 time until it climaxes and immediately retreats into the middle portion.

The middle portion is in 13/8, with only the bass providing the time and a wooden block hitting seemingly random beats. The guitar enters a little bit after with syncopated beats, repeating the same thing over and over again but dictating chord changes as time passes. The riff pretty much begins to drive the listener insane as you want something to happen, but it takes its time climaxing longer and longer until the drums start, but the riff continues even then. Eventually it all finishes when the guitar starts getting frenetic, leading to the conclusion with a fast jazz/rock fusion portion that leads to the repetition of the intro melody but sped up until it finishes.

So odd time signatures work best if done in appropriate ways (subjective opinion of course) and can be considered genius if it doesn't make itself obvious.

>> No.55401491

>>55401430
no that was actually quite eloquent and well put

thank you

>> No.55401493

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-dZNzXylVE
The two guitars play int he following time signatures: 5/8 and 5/8, 5/8 and 4/4, 5/8 and 9/8, 15/16 and 15/16, 15/16 and 14/16, 10/8 and 20/16, 15/16 and 15/16, 15/16 and 14/16, 12/16 and 12/16, 12/16 and 11/16, 15/16 and 15/16, 15/16 and 14/16.

>> No.55401545

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7S-RhlG1bk&app=desktop
Absolute madman

>> No.55401583

Why is everyone posting the half of the time signature that tells you which note equals one beat when you're not looking at the sheet music? You're just guessing. If it's above 7 beats per measure are you just assuming it would be 8th notes, and above 15 beats assuming it would be 16ths? What is the point?

>> No.55401596

>>55401583
music theory pls go

>> No.55401611

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46b2oov3I7M

>> No.55401637

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53QdVDAuriQ
Sufjan Stevens - The Tallest Man, The Broadest Shoulders
11/8

>> No.55401651

>>55401335
isn't only the end actually in 26? intro and most of the verses are 4/4 just with a few dropped beats.

>>55401430
yeah, i'm not gonna lie, i wrote it the way i did because i got to the end and was a few beats off of having a prime number so i just fucked around until i got a pattern-y thing i liked and was prime.

>> No.55401658

No one in this thread has mentioned Voila, let alone any song on Niggas On The Moon

>> No.55401691

>>55401658
or any of the thousands of other pieces of music which have supposedly "weird" time signatures

what's your point

>> No.55401719

>>55401691
I'm only singling out NOT because this board has such a fetish for DG you'd think that it would have been mentioned sooner

>> No.55401725

Clipping's Story 2 is all over the fucking place. Probably my favorite song off their last album, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbU9UUwxBxA

>> No.55401758

what time signature is this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ODKKILZiYY

>> No.55401768

>>55401583
>when you're not looking at the sheet music
We have ears.

>> No.55401774

>>55401758
7/8

>> No.55401778

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igJAJV-ckIk

>> No.55401794

>>55401658
>>55401725

It's nice to hear odd meter being used in Hip-hop.

Any examples in other, more "electronica" genres of electronic music (IDM, etc?). I know Venetian Snares is known for using 7/4, but I'm sure you guys could come up with examples from Aphex or Squarepusher or something.

>> No.55401797

>>55401774
Nah dude, I'd say it's in 7/4

>> No.55401855

>>55401583
Are you going to start complaining about not naming the tempo next, because "OMG, you don't know if it's quarter notes at 100 bpm, what if the sheet music was written at 400 bpm with whole notes, lol"

>> No.55401856

i cant count this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOADttGOVs4

>> No.55401885

>>55401583
>you're not looking at the sheet music
>implying transcribed versions of music is always correct
kek

>> No.55401889

>>55401725
I know! Its genius. Makes you so stressy, suits really well.

>> No.55401896

>>55401797
that would make the BPM around 250 per minute lmao

>> No.55401923

can an expert figure this one out for me? I think it changes twice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE2Vdcv9Q_o

>> No.55401926

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9SPWok6CuY

heres one for all you nostalgia junkies
11/8 i think

>> No.55401927

>>55401896
Yeah, listening to it now I think you were right. I was just counting in a weird way, I guess.

>> No.55401936

>>55401583
The beat division sounds different. 7/8 and 7/4 have different sounds. Learn more about theory and listen to more music. You'll be able to identify them eventually

>> No.55401990

>>55400372
Happy the Man - Service with a Smile is in 11/8

Bill Bruford - Hell's Bells is in 19 (it might be two measures of 7/8 and a measure of 5/8, repeating; I don't know)

Solsbury Hill by Peter Gabriel is probably the most natural-sounding 7/4 song I know.

And Back in NYC by Genesis (one album before above) is probably the least subtle 7/4 song I know, the way it's accented.

Turn it on Again by Genesis is in 13/8, and sounds like a straight-ahead 4/4 dance beat if you're not listening closely.

>> No.55401992

>>55401797
There's a very clear 1234 123 fell in that that you typically don't have in 7/4

>> No.55402017

>>55401923
4/4
3/4
alternating 9/4 and 5/4
back to 4/4

>> No.55402045

>>55401926
I didn't know this when i was a kid holy crap

>> No.55402098

>>55401990
And Discipline by King Crimson has large sections with the percussion in 17, I believe. I have no idea how they would write it down and assign measures. Either two measures of 5/8 and a measure of 7/8, or just phrased that way within one big measure, I think.

>> No.55402132

>>55401794
Surprisingly haven't seen too much SP with strange time signatures.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R9_MBfq5RM
I know his Tetra-Sync sticks in an extra measure every other group of sixteen 4/4 bars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uCyv05SG1g
MmmHmm by Flying Lotus is in 12/4. This is a flawless use of incorporating an uncommon time signature. Nice way to keep the groove moving along with minimal dead space.

>> No.55402245

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp0OXICuZek

Sound of Muzak by Porcupine Tree. A 5/4 that feels like a 4/4. Incredibly done, especially by the drummer (Gavin Harrison).

>> No.55402289
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55402289

>>55402245
Sounds more like 7/4 to me.

>> No.55402290

this melody fits so seamlessly 7/8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozAswe6R0ts

>> No.55402319

>>55402289
Oh shit, I meant 7/4!

>> No.55402329

>>55402245
I'm counting 7/4, with the guitar playing in a 6/8 - 8/8 feel

>> No.55402347

>>55402245
ok, but a lot of this is actually just in 4/4 though

and then the main riff is actually alternating 6/8 8/4

>> No.55402362

>>55402329
Yeah, it's a 7/4, I fucked up for a moment there (>>55402319). Embarassing, I've been drumming this one for a while now, hah.

>> No.55402368

>>55402329
yeah, the verse is in 7 and the chorus is in 4

>> No.55402382

>>55401992
i'm not trying to argue with you, but when not needing time signatures as any serious reference or are just listening i don't know if it matters a huge amount. The fact remains you can count to 7 and that's what makes it interesting

>> No.55402453

>>55401855
I wouldn't, because tempo is a measure of the number of beats/minute, not the number of quarter notes, or any other kind of note. You can change what note a beat is to whatever you want and it won't change the tempo.

>>55401768
If I play a note how the fuck would you be able to tell me what symbol I used to write it

>>55401885
Yeah, that's a good point too. Claiming to know what note length was used to represent a beat is completely unfounded.

>>55401936
Back this up with anything at all.

>> No.55402457

>>55402290
that was awesome, thanks for posting

>> No.55402500
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55402500

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqWqedEaD0I

At 3:19. The internet says 29/16, but I have no idea how to count that shit. Thoughts?

>> No.55402642

>>55402453
>Yeah, that's a good point too. Claiming to know what note length was used to represent a beat is completely unfounded.

Do you not know that internet transcriptions and even commercial copies of sheet music are known to be wrong?

pleb/10

>> No.55402670

>>55402017
thanks

>> No.55402689

>>55402453
>If I play a note how the fuck would you be able to tell me what symbol I used to write it

>I don't know how listening to a piece and writing down the music works.
>Not being able to comprehend how analyzing a musical piece with your ear works.

kek

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55402712

ctrl+f
>no Canvas Solaris
It's like you people don't try.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL4do0pQRZI

>> No.55402727

>>55402453
>Back this up with anything at all.

he really shouldn't have to, accent is pretty surface level music theory knowledge

if you want to debate people you really shouldn't be saying shit like that, basically

just look it up, stop being a dunce

>> No.55402762

>>55402453
>>55402727

Dude clearly doesn't realize you can analyze a song by using your ears. Just ignore him, he's either trolling or just being a complete dumbass without realizing it.

>> No.55402778

>>55402712
thanks anon, really good.

I really liked how much effort you put in.

>> No.55402852

>>55402457
no problem, I love that whole album he is a very good producer and engineer.

>> No.55402892

>>55402712
well they're no cynic, lets just put it that way

>> No.55402898

>>55402762
>>55402727
If I played 4 evenly spaced beats it could be written within one measure by someone as 4/4 with four quarter notes. It could also be written as 4/8 with four eighth notes or 4/2 with 4 half notes. Tell me how you would know which one I meant.
And no, all of those would have the same written tempo. The tempo would change only if you wrote it as having a time signature of anything other than 4 beats or if you wrote it as encompassing more than one measure.

>> No.55402934
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55402934

mfw thought i posted a song but posted the whole album

>> No.55402966

Gyroscope by The Dismemberment Plan switches from 15/8 to 4/4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw_IJaHdlts

>> No.55403028

>>55400639
Yeah that's the actual time signature of hey ya.

The tallest man the broadest shoulders by sufjan is in 11/4

half of white freckles by ariel pink is in 7/4

songs in 5/4:
a good man is hard to find by sufjan stevens
come on feel the illinoise by sufjan stevens
15 step by radiohead

songs with 3 bars of 5/4, one bar of 6/4
5-4=unity by pavement
paranoid android by radiohead

>> No.55403050

>>55402898
>Tell me how you would know which one I meant.
Because you would know from the context of the rest of the instrumentation.

Like, I know what you're trying to say, but in the context of actual pieces, the argument is pretty inane.

>> No.55403062
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55403062

What time signature is Bambi in?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhP4lg28fs0
This whole album is a masterpiece though.

>> No.55403090

>>55402898

Do you not understand how drummers work?
Do you not understand how people understand a groove?

>not understanding percussion
>not understanding melodic motifs

>> No.55403122

Haken- Somebody
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv-cCGfndqc

Moves thru different time signatures with a nice flow.

>> No.55403227

>>55400578
does anyone have a link to their album? I really like this

>> No.55403273

>>55401084
More like 9/8 split 2+2+2+3

>> No.55403351

>>55403050
>Because you would know from the context of the rest of the instrumentation
How?
And don't tell me to just "look it up". I have, and nobody agrees on it. Some people say 7/8 gives a 1234123 accent pattern and 7/4 gives a 1231234 and some people say the opposite, or that one of them is 1212312. Some other people say it's based on tempo and that faster songs should use smaller measurements for the beat and some people say it should have quarter notes be the most commonly used note in the song.
Is there any reputable resource that talks about this? Everyone seems to come up with their own subjective system.

>> No.55403500

>>55401797
No it's definitely 7/8. Otherwise the measures would be split into two halves 3.5 beats each.

>> No.55403951
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55403951

frank zappa did a lot of cool stuff with time. Keep it greasy starts in 4, but then it switches to 19/16 if you subdivide the sixteenth notes it's 4+4+4+4+3
Don ellis avoided 4 as much as possible without making it sound forced and he had a fantastic arranging knack

>> No.55403997

>>55403351
I'm glad at least someone in this thread realizes how time signatures actually work and how you technically can't tell for a fact what time signature a piece is written in without seeing the sheet music. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't really understand how time signatures actually work. Someone can come up with a good guess at what a time signature is, but you can never know what it is for sure.

>> No.55404055

>>55403997
Holy fuck, thank you.
I've seen in threads on /mu/ before that some people actually think the second half of a time signature refers to how many times a measure repeats before a significant change. Not sure why I asked about this here.

>> No.55404057

Are any St. Vincent songs in anything other than 4/4? I don't know how to count these things and I'm just curious.

>> No.55404063

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs-Z1JN0L-s

Intro is in 4/4 but most of the rest of the song moves around between 7/4 and 6/4

>> No.55404233

>>55403997
>technically
Technically, maybe, but when you're actually listening to the music instead of arguing about semantics, it's possible to tell.

Basically, what it comes down to is what is being repeated.
If a "3/4+4/4" pattern is repeated with a riff layered on top of it that coincides with the rhythm, it's clearly 7/4. Sure, you could CALL it 3/4 and 4/4 repeating, but that's what 7/4 is.

>> No.55404259

>>55404055
there's real musicians on /mu/. I've been playing sax for 10 years (I'm >>55403951) While it is true you can never know what the actual time signature without looking at the music, you can make a very reasonable guess. 2/2 4/4 and 8/8 all look the same, but they all have a different number of strong beats per measure and are used for different tempos. Because watermelon in easter hay by zappa has 9 strong beats in what sounds like a measure, it's 9/4. Because blue rondo a la turk has four (or three) strong beats per measure (2+2+2+3 thrice and 3+3+3 once) it is said to be in 9/8

>> No.55404356

>>55404233
>tell
Replace that with "make a very good guess that is, in some cases, 99% sure to be right" and I'd agree with you. Sorry, but I'm very picky about semantics.

>> No.55404380

>>55404259
I completely agree. The number of beats per measure is easy to tell (even though it's technically subjective). What I'm really talking about is the difference between 4/4 and 4/8, or 7/4 and 7/8. Can you tell the difference when listening? If so, how?

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55404381

>>55400481
>that song isn't x time signature, it's 4/4 with bars of (insert time division)

>> No.55404437

https://soundcloud.com/bmsharp/you-and-yours-acle-kahney-remix
first half is 5/4, second half cycles through 6/4, 7/4, 8/4

>> No.55404448

Protip: if you're counting the beats in a single bar for a really long time, you're probably doing it wrong.

>> No.55404496

>>55404448
CONGRATULATIONS, YOUR POST HAS BEEN GIZOOGLED

"Protip spittin' that real shit: if yoe count'n tha beats 'n a single bar fo` a reallizzle long time, yoe probably do'n it wrong. Subscribe nigga, get yo issue"

>> No.55404560

Can anyone figure out the time signature in sweet road by AnCo?

>> No.55404582

The Stranglers - Golden Brown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVHVvbnmgjM

I count 3/4 + 3/4 + 3/4 + 4/4

>> No.55404639

>>55404380
Not him, but if you conduct along with the music it's easy to tell. I've never encountered 4/8 but compare >>55401758 to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpbbuaIA3Ds. Conduct quarter notes and you'll find the emphasized beat on the and of 3 on the first song, but you'll have no problem counting seven beats for the bassline of Money. Conduct eighth notes on Beach and you'll hit 1 on the downbeat, but you'll awkwardly split the phrase on Money.

>> No.55404729

Is there a "limit" to how high time sigs. can go? Obviously at a certain point it gets redundant but what is the highest it can reach before it gets to that point?

>> No.55404995

>>55404639
I've heard of using accent patterns as a system for determining that before, but I've also heard a ton of others. Do you know of a resource that talks about which one is the correct system for making that call?

>> No.55405095

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhSBK8VaLss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2E058Ep99Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmk5frp6-3Q

>>55404729
You can literally go as high as you want. The first bar of Klavierstück IX by Stockhausen is in 142/8.

>> No.55405140

>>55404995
I don't know of any resources, I just had a really great teacher who did a much better job at explaining it than I can. I think the best you can do is just try to observe the patterns and make sure that they don't awkwardly split the bar or the bar doesn't awkwardly split the pattern.

>> No.55405635

>>55405140
Changing what note a beat is wouldn't split anything, but I understand what you're getting at. Unfortunately there are a ton of different ways to do it and as reasonable as that system is not everyone will agree.

>> No.55406447

>>55400372
If you look at Panzerballetts cover of take 5, they use two didferent time signatures at the same time, and it really works.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM4W3qaNfng

>> No.55406449

Blue Rondo a la Turk has some nice accent switches. The main portion everyone knows is all in 9/8, but the way the emphasized beats are switched up makes it sound as though the time is changing.

>> No.55408021

>>55400994
You seriously never see this?

He has no 'inferiority complex.' Tons of artists put their music in weird time signature just because.

>> No.55408089

>>55406449
ayy I mentioned that earlier. It's three measures of 2+2+2+3 and then one of 3+3+3. Dave Brubeck heard it somewhere that is the shit heap that is eastern europe and he liked it

>> No.55408108

>>55401359
This is the problem with a lot of prog and math bands these days.

The meter doesn't matter. I like Slint and TDEP no matter what, even though I don't know the meter

>> No.55408964

Whiplash by Hank Levy
7/4 not that weird but still...

>> No.55409026

>>55401123
I exporting the midi files from guitar pro if you like the interface, but then bringing it into ableton or something and getting some better sounds on these. would be a lot cooler.

>> No.55409053
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55409053

Are my ears broken, or does Bab's Uvula Who by Green Day have a really weird time signature?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxEqmNAA7AU

>> No.55409085

Why do people count odd times in 3's and 2's?

I've always counted the full time signature unless it goes over 11.

For example I would count 7/4:
ONE two three four five six sev
ONE two three four five six sev

>> No.55409111

>>55409053
ears broken
>>55409085
sev eight nine ten len twel thirt fort fif sixt

>> No.55409252

>>55409026
i've done that, but i've never had things like let ring, slides, and long tied notes translate very well. i guess, thinking about there are probably ways to work around it, but i haven't really written much like that recently anyway to try, and i lost a lot of my older song files on a fried motherboard

>> No.55409307

>>55409085
It has to do with the rhythm of the song. For example, if a song is in 7/8, with an accent on only the first beat, you'd be right in counting it as "ONE two three four five six sev". But, if it has an accent on the first, third, and fifth beats, it would be simpler to count it as "ONE two ONE two ONE two three" than "ONE two THREE four FIVE six sev".

>> No.55409325

>>55401658
>>55401691
>>55401794
The only song with a assymetric meter on NOTM is Fuck Me Out, in 5/8 for the verses.

>> No.55409363

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIjxoNIuqo
this track wins
11/4+23/8+5/4+7/4+23/8+19/8+13/8+7/4+57/8+7/4

>> No.55409386

>>55409363
So tell me how you know that he conceived of the piece in that meter, and didn't just arbitrarily throw bloops randomly?

>> No.55409425

>>55409363
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MshUFnfEfeA
At least Dream Theater TRIES to be musical when abusing time changes. What a clusterfuck of noise.

>> No.55409461

>>55409386
its not that hard to set the meter when you're working with a DAW

>> No.55409503

>>55409425
too bad dream theater is one of the worst bands of all time
>the vocals
ugh disgusting i think i threw up a little in my mouth

>> No.55409592

>>55409503
I never said they were good. I just said that they at least make an effort to write music.

>> No.55409622

my biggest time sig fuckery that worked out reallly well was i was writing a song in 15/16, so i could do some little 3 and 5 interplay. i got to a part where the arps i did went in a set of five primes. 5, 11, 17, 23, and 29. they add up to a multiple of 5 (85), so i did some 5 stuff for the drums. that part goes in to a spacious 5 part, and closes with the rest in 9, because like 15 has three fives, 9 has three threes.

>> No.55409854

>>55408021
So wanting to write a song in a time signature that's not 4/4 is suddenly wrong for some reason? like fuck what other reasons are there to write a song in a different meter aside from wanting to?

>> No.55409930

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-dZNzXylVE

I know there's 5/4, but no idea what it is in other parts.

>> No.55410015

Nine Inch Nails - March of the Pigs
Everything except the chorus is in 29/8.

>> No.55410424

mission impossible is 5/4

>> No.55410990

>>55409503
This was the First dream theater song I ever heard. who ever clicked dislike is a music eliterate punk dweeb.

>> No.55411515

>>55410424
Just realised how similar it is to Take Five

>> No.55411573

>>55410424
>>55411515
four sticks by led zeppelin has a similar groove. well, until it switches to six

>> No.55411689
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55411689

>>55404381
He's right though.
many pieces do this. mostly one time sig, with a bar of another sig thrown in.

bartok's concerto for orchestra has some very interesting time signature usage. 5/8, 2/4, 5/8, 2/4, 5/8, 2/4, 7/8 (3+4), 5/8, 2/4. Fucking shit changes every bar, but totally works with the melody

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=610xovNQU-w
there's no yt clip with a score, but I have the score so just posted that section.

mfw I had to conduct this for a string quartet as part of a summer school conducting paper.

shit wasn't easy

>> No.55411783

>>55401359
You don't
You just write a riff that sounds good, and if it's in an odd time signature, all the better

>> No.55411882
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55411882

>>55411783
this.

Write your piece in a way that you dont have to worry about time signatures, either improvise it into a DAW on the MIDI ketboard, or record yourself singing or playing it.

Then later you can try to work out what time signature/key its in.

like pic related, a flute solo I'm working on, wrote it organically (without the limitations of time signature or bars) then imported into sibelius to score it out. turns out a few of the melodies was in 7/8 with the odd 4/4 bar.

>>55410424
the FFVIII battle music is also 5/4. it has a good asymmetrical action feel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btHMMDz27hw

>> No.55411948

>>55402966
They screw so much with time signature on that album

>> No.55411989

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxb38JvXi2M
I'm not really sure but it sounds like it jumps between 6/4 and 5/4

>> No.55412014

>>55411989
6/8

>> No.55412026

>>55411989
the beginning is definitely 3/4

>> No.55412027

>>55411989
Sounds like 12/8

>> No.55412130

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwfrRbU2iqY
Can anyone identify the time sig of this song?
Specifically at 4:43 the drums seem out of whack but in a good way

>> No.55412146

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Xl_BpGLYlc
Fucking Champs - Valkyrie is Dying
69/420

Lots of this bands stuff is in odd time sigs

>> No.55412178

>>55412130
4/4. the part at 4:43 is 4/4 too, but the drummer fools around a bit trying to make it feel different and playing slightly ahead or behind the beat

>> No.55412179

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJrTYOyXHA0
7/4
In the middle of the song, the pattern switches from 2/4 to 3/4 then back to 2/4 and this then switches in the next measure to 3/4, to 2/4 back to 3/4

I love jazz

>> No.55412216

>>55412179
I think somewhere in this song, 1 measure is in 1/4
My Uni jazz band played it this year and i was on drums

>> No.55412227

>>55400372
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMXok5lEaXc

>> No.55412259

>>55412227
>its 4/4 but with some varied drumming

at least you tried

>> No.55412265
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55412265

Erotomania uses a time signature varying from 11/8 to 10/8 to 4/4 to 5/4. (yes i know that 5/4 and 10/8 are basically the same but the feel from duple to triple is different)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3JQyV4dUKM

>> No.55412383

Penguin Cafe Orchestra - Perpetuum Mobile (15/8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E3znZoFnN8

>> No.55412622

>>55402966
I ask self-proclaimed drummers to count this song as a test of competence

>> No.55412650
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55412650

>ITT non-drummers and general dumb fucks in music are in awe of asymmetric time

>> No.55412665

>>55403227
I can zippyshare it, but at this point I doubt you're still around. If I get a response I'll go ahead.

>> No.55412787

>>55401017
that's because it is

>> No.55412793
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55412793

>>55412650

>> No.55412813

>>55404381
>>55411689
no he isn't right. If you start down this road than no time signatures exist. dumb.

>> No.55412833

>>55412813
>If you start down this road than no time signatures exist. dumb.

you're right, that was dumb.

>> No.55413221

Deerhoof incorporates odd time signatures into their songs.

>> No.55413770

>>55412650
I'm a percussionist and I enjoy music in assymetric time and enjoy playing it.
Many musicians do.
Thant being said, go crucify yourself upside down you pretentious cunt

>> No.55415138

>>55409622
Link plz

>> No.55415165

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv0y0On8ZGQ
I could never work out this time signature.

>> No.55415177

>>55408021
>Tons of artists put their music in weird time signature just because.

Are there things you do in art that aren't "just because"?

>> No.55415200

>>55413770
I'm also a percussionist and eh... he's kinda right. Like ok whatever he's saying mean things on 4chan but honestly yeah, they're not a big deal.

>> No.55415208

>>55412665
Not him but I'd be interested

>> No.55415215

>>55409363
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIjxoNIuqo
>"counting" time signatures in vsnares song

Way to miss the point, the idea is it is free form

>> No.55415225

>>55415208
cool, i'll go ahead then

>> No.55415257

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k05agPAMRhE

Also they use 3/4 and 4/4 polyrhythms in some of their other songs

>> No.55415315

>>55412265
This album has so much of that, one of the reasons it's one of m y favorite DT albums. Erotomania is one hell of a work of art.

>inb4 DT hate

>> No.55415353

>>55400578
>>55403227
>>55412665
>>55415208
Eldar Djangirov - Virtue
http://www60.zippyshare.com/v/nLqdDV1v/file.html

He also has an album from 2013, better produced but I don't like the music quite as much, but still great. There's a solo piano album in between, also really fucking great.

>> No.55415552

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpusjX2tSRY

Off Minor - Staring Down The Barrel Of Limited Options
the verse is in 13/8

>> No.55415628
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55415628

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2gVhBxwRqg

Nancarrow has some weird time sigs. and polymeters.

>> No.55415938

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9_pIla12qA

I find this song absolutely interesting. the 9/4 beat fits great.

>> No.55415954

>>55401725
3/4, 4/4, 5/4, 6/8, 7/8, etc.,
I can't figure out whether I like it more or less for it

>> No.55417060

>>55400372
Shit nigga there are literally genres built based on doing time sig changes, check out math rock threads or prog threads and you'll find plenty of time sig changes, too much to post here

>> No.55417397

>>55409053
That's a 4/4, so your ears might be broken.

>> No.55417415

>>55400372
>7/4
>5/4
>weird

lmaooo

>> No.55417427
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55417427

Basically any Hella album.

And they don't just utilize one weird signature. They fucking change it every bar.

>> No.55417466

Zach Hill - Toll Road

33/8

Don't even try to count it.

>> No.55419329

>>55417427
I think Biblical Violence is 4/4 the whole way through

>> No.55419530
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55419530

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3SF3VT0EC0

And you'll be my duchess. My duchess of prunes.

>> No.55419731

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtsAUOy3LPM

It's a pretty nice song as well.

>> No.55419750

>>55401725
This song is so stressful and tense, I love it.

>> No.55419903

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ainw5FZCGIU
5/4 guitars, 4/4 drums

>> No.55420348

>>55415138
so i kinda got two songs blended together remembering that, the song actually starts in 9/8, not 15/16. the rest is right because i looked at the file to figure it out
also bonus points if you can tell what the other thing i posted here was
https://clyp.it/to1ey1ae

>> No.55420411

>>55415165
Can be counted as 3/4 ? chord changes happen every 2 or 4 bars. and phrases are 2 bars

>> No.55420506

Primus - Eleven (11/8)

King Crimson - Larks Tongues In Aspic pt 1 (7/8)

Genesis - The Battle of Epping Forest (7/8)

Caravan - Love To Love You (7/8)

King Crimson - Discipline (drums are playing 17/16 and 4/4 at the same time while the guitars are constantly playing different time signatures from each other, including 5/8 and 7/8)

Pak - You Like it Like That (7/8)

>> No.55420540

Here is a classic one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUIYskCHrEI

>> No.55420633

what tiem signature pls?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxav6h7QLGQ

>> No.55420669

>>55420633
7/4?

>> No.55420685

>>55420633
is this what metal sounds like these days? damn kids and their music.

>> No.55420938

If you actually ignore Maynard's faggy lyrics and singing, tool has some great tunes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tcW-j7KFgY

>> No.55421227

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUYtWvavvYg

>> No.55422145

>>55419903
damn, i was gonna post this

>> No.55422425

>>55400372
>2015
>not listening to music with polymeters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esD90diWZds

>> No.55422562
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55422562

Surprised this hasn't been posted yet

>> No.55423409

>>55422425
do you actually listen to this in your free time?
does it make you feel smart?
do you feel like a big boy?
do you want a juice box?
do you want someone to rub your belly?

>> No.55423577

>>55423409
Not him, and I think caring about time signatures is fucking stupid but, uh, yeah I would like all that pls

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