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Organ edition

We don't talk about the king of instruments enough, so let's go.

Favourite composer for organ
Prettiest organ
Favourite organ builder
Favourite piece for organ

As usual, feel free to discuss other /classical/ stuff too, OP topic is just to get discussion going

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>> No.55368688

>>55368297
>you will never develop organ autism

Who are the most important 20th century composers for the instrument? I'm familiar with Messiaen's and Durufle's (and Xenakis, Nielsen and Ligeti, but they only wrote a small amount each)

Here's a pre-Bach German work I like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWx9qYq22hI

>> No.55369097

>>55368688

Durufle and Messiaen are probably the most important composers for organ in the 20th century. Langlais and Dupre are probably just the tier below them. Most important organ composers from about the mid-19th century onwards are French.

Then there's Tournemire, who was a more than a little bit crazy. His most famous piece is l'Orgue Mystique, which is more accurately a collection of organ works which (when played as a whole) runs for over 12 hours and is all suited for liturgical purposes. Over 300 chant melodies are improvised upon and it's an astonishing work. It's also very interesting musically, featuring lots of modernist tendencies.

Reger sort of straddles the divide. He was composing at the start of the 20th century, but he's right on the borderline. Still a very important organ composer nonetheless

>> No.55369202

>>55368688
Karg-Elert, Schmidt, Reger and, last but not least, Schoenberg: https://youtu.be/fut6XqRx0o0

>> No.55369381
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>>55368297
Everyone always looks at me funny when I mention how cool organs are. They were the most complex machines in the world for a few hundred years, how is that not impressive?

Anyways, here's an organ built in 1554 that I found in Milan

>> No.55369436

>>55368688

Howells is pretty cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q13AmTAOhN8

As is Leighton (who coincidentally wrote the GOAT setting of the Coventry Carol)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNzQOzoX_GM

>> No.55369507

>>55369381

You are well on the path to organ autism young one. Go to your nearest 'big' church, seek out the organist and begin your apprenticeship

>> No.55369521

I like Dave Stewart.

>> No.55369562
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55369562

>tfw living in the city with the biggest organ in the world

>> No.55369583

>>55369562

It's the largest cathedral organ in the world but only the 3rd largest organ.

>> No.55369638

I found this on /mu/ actually. Music for Church Cleaners. Áine O'Dwyer improvising on the organ while the church is being cleaned. It's essentially a field recording, so it's mic'd so you can hear absolutely everything: the music, the mechanism clicking, the people in the church. Are there any other composers/musicians who play drone-ish music on organ like this?

https://aineodwyer.bandcamp.com/album/music-for-church-cleaners

>> No.55369850

>>55369638
I wish all recordings had clicking and pedal noises. Complaining about extraneous noises is the mark of a total pussy. Why even bother using living musicians if you want perfect studio sound? So much whining about Gould has been instantly discarded by me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOZ2aZH6kDs

Speaking of which, dat articulation. He was so good he could even make organs sound more period accurate like a harpsichord.

>> No.55369975

This has been my organ jam recently. Widor's arrangement of the final chorus of the Matthew Passion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZQ--KHn21A

Can't beat the French for writing for organ.

>> No.55370008

Organ autism you say?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLzgFkouSmc

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55370040

>>55368297
>Mega links for new listeners of classical
I came to this thread to ask for this, thanks :')

>> No.55370055

>>55370040
Just go to Rutracker, download Toscanini's Beethoven/Hewitt's Bach and you're good.

>> No.55370340

mods are asleep post marches

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy-yugPw_X8

>> No.55370395

>>55370340
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxleNf2mjfg&list=PLA7no0L9zTk5QnKpwAcWV4jjhkCMsLuEt

>> No.55370904

>>55369975
It's a shame recordings never can achieve the full power of hearing a live performance. That piece must have sounded absolutely massive in person.

>> No.55370924

one of my favorite organ pieces

set to some sci fi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXeUkrlxQ98

>> No.55371060

>>55370904

Yeah, the organ is

It's the largest pipes which are the most incredible. The most common of the 'big ones' you'll encounter are the 32' pipes which are just incredible. They have a frequency of 16Hz, so you can't hear them sounding so much as you feel the vibration going through you.

I remember singing Vierne's Messe Solenelle. The opening to the kyrie, and the kyrie as a whole for a matter of fact, is just incredible (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zjlRHP0tjk). I remember just standing there, waiting to sing with the floor shaking under me and my spine tingling away.

Another fond memory was singing in St Paul's Cathedral in London. The piece we were singing reached this climax where four trumpeters from the Lifeguards (regiment in the British Army) came out and blasted away.

The way that the organ is built in St Paul's is such that there are 'trumpet' pipes (basically fixed trumpets you can play with the organ) at the end of the cathedral, opposite to the apse. The finale of this piece had those trumpeters playing in one direction whilst the organ trumpets blasted back in the other, creating this hurricane of sound travelling up and down the cathedral. Even after everyone stopped playing/singing, there was about 2/3 seconds before the noise started to die away. Really incredible stuff

>> No.55371282

>>55371060
Yeah the reverb at the end is the best part. I stumbled upon this recital while I was in Luxembourg, and the blast at 1:45 was incredible. Recordings never really capture the absolute mass of sound.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3pg7vyVeP8

>> No.55371756

Are there many pieces which use the organ in a similar way to Saint-Saens 3?

>> No.55372066

>>55369850
I actually like gould's humming. it adds an element of "humanness" to the recording. plus it's kind of funny to hear his elaborations on the melodies

>> No.55372700

What up, cool guys?
I have a need:
I want to get into classical.
And I want to do it chronologically.
How do I accomplish this?
With whom do I start?
Is there some sort of chart for notable musicians over time? Please to be helping, thanks.

>> No.55372746

>>55372700
As an aside, do you think it's necessary to look into the philosophy behind the music, so to speak, or is it adequate, or perhaps even preferable in some cases, to simply get the recordings and listen to them?

>> No.55372895

>best organ builder
CASAVANT

>> No.55373023

I enjoy BWV 538 and BWV 565 and Fantasia in C

>> No.55373598

>>55373023
>BWV 565
If you like Bach why not try out the ones he actually wrote? :^)

>> No.55374302

http://www.classicfm.com/discover/music-quizzes/name-the-piece/

I got 14/20. pretty disappointing tbh

>> No.55374508

>>55374302
20/20 but I only got the RVW because I knew the keys of the other works lel

>> No.55374797

is plainchant pleb? easier to listen to than polyphony

>> No.55374849

>>55374302
>Biber
Wasn't aware classicfm knew he existed

>> No.55374986

>>55374508
ive never listened to lark ascending. also fuck carnival of the animals. also fuck most pieces with an animal or animals in the title. except for swan of tuonela

>> No.55375188

>>55374302
Got 11/20. Considering I haven't read sheet music in 3 years, I'm pretty happy with myself.

>> No.55375643

Why do I always end up going back to Beethoven? Is it because I'm a pleb?

>> No.55375737

>>55375643
Maybe because he's a master.

>> No.55375757

Hey I have a question for anyone who's had to do a Performance Jury:

How the FUCK do you fail one?

Like, I honestly can't comprehend being so non-motivated, so unprepared as to fail your jury.

>> No.55375870

>>55375643
You're only a pleb if you dismiss his brilliant early sonatas.

>> No.55375999

seriously guys I don't get how you fail juries

>> No.55377285
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55377285

What's you favorite recording of Bach's organ works?

>> No.55378489

>>55377285
Only one I've heard is Helmut Walcha's

>> No.55378584

>>55377285
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnuq9PXbywA

>> No.55378699

>>55373598
No one to this day was able to succesfully remove the attribution of the Toccata e fuga in Re minore (BWV 565) to J. S. Bach. So despite all your doubts until is proven otherwise, BWV 565 was indeed a Bach work

>> No.55378739

>>55378699
i've got too much respect for bach to attribute it to him

>> No.55378806

>>55372700
https://musopen.org/
Great for plebs that want to learn about composers. Just pick an instrument and flick though the composers. They are separeted into periods in chronological order.

I always love learning about the backstory of a piece. It's up to every person I guess. Rest assure you will enjoy a piece even more if you know it's story

>> No.55378835

>>55378739
I love to think of it as the dark side of Bach. I think he indeed speaks to us though that piece trying to say ''I'm not the tidy perfect composer you all think I was''

>> No.55378863

>>55378835
yeah, the dark "i'm actually a terrible composer who lucked out on composing dozens of masterpieces" side

>> No.55378870

Why did so many composers have such tragic lives? They deserved so much better

>> No.55378903

>>55378863
No the dark ''deep inside I know there is more to music outside the tidyness shown by muh klaviers''

>> No.55379193

>>55378903
There's much more messy, wild, out-there works, consider https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg50ozbZcqM - that's a true, complex, even chaotic antithesis to the homogenous (but equally complex) textures of the WTC.

BWV 565 is more like what an undergraduate composition student with a knack for simple effect and none for polyphony would write, a sort of understudy Berlioz take on Bach.

>> No.55379208

>>55378903
It's so immensely different from his other preludes/toccatas and fugues that it has to be written by someone else. There isn't one that shows any resemblance.

>> No.55379335

>>55379193
Alternatively: It's Bach à la Hanon.

>> No.55379346

>>55379208
Why do I frequently see this said that it's immensely different? Does anyone know the article this idea came from? Besides, Bach was pretty good at absorbing styles, wasn't he?

>> No.55379426

>>55379346
don't you hear it?

>> No.55379447

>>55379346
How familiar are you with his other organ preludes and fugues?

>> No.55379492

>>55379346
Instrumentation that occurs only once in Bach's entire oeuvre, and is extraterritorial to 17th and early 18th century German organ writing altogether. If you do not notice it, you are in no position to judge any Bach work as "authentic", "typical", etc. The singular exceptions are apparent from the first second, and there's just too many "just once"s for a single authentic piece.

>> No.55379626

does anyone else think that Schubert's a pretty mediocre symphonist?

>> No.55379682

>>55379626
He's absolutely exceptional in his problematic and conflicted way, in some regards more directly influential than Beethoven (because he was easier to emulate).

>> No.55379727

>>55379626
if you're sick of the unfinished and the great c major, treat yourself with his 4th and especially his 5th

>> No.55379754

>>55379727
haven't heard the 4th
the 5th is drearily drawn out IMO
I saw it live and the second movement nearly put me to sleep on several different occasions.
and I mean I love classical music and Mozart and all the classical masters, but that symphony just bored me to tears.

>> No.55379796

>>55379754
>drawn out
you've listened to the wrong performances or something https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bATYUKx4g1E

yeah old recording meme whatever

>> No.55380141

>yfw Valentina is shilling herself on Reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/classicalmusic/comments/33q3ng/valentina_lisitsa_to_perform_in_oakville_after/

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>>55380141
more like she's shilling herself for putin which is completely understandable

>> No.55381368

>>55379626
i think he's a pretty mediocre composer. very few actual good compositions.

>> No.55381546

>>55381368
d958-960 sonatas
d780, 899, 935
wanderer fantasy
3 song cycles
d328, 118, 489, 882, 531 (lieder not in cycles)
symphony 5 8 9
string quartet 12-15
d956 quintet
d940 (fantasy piano 4 hands)

dunno seems like at least a few to me

>> No.55381566

>>55381546
oh yeah and the arpeggione

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55381619

Has anyone heard James McVinnie? I picked up his record on Bandcamp when it was 50% off and I am wondering if this is a decent place to start with for organ-based music.

>> No.55381762

>>55381546
i hope someday i can appreciate his supposed greatness. so far i'm having a hard time. i like sq 14, schone mullerin, and symphony no 5 (though it's certainly no masterpiece imo). symphony no 8 is an absolute snoozefest as far as i'm concerned.

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55381983

>Beethoven was white

>> No.55382029

>>55381983
close enough

>> No.55382090

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qLWw2zXg0k

>>55370340
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IysgillrMo4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4NG_NSXfIw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTLSVG4BmmQ

>>55381983
The Proms listing uses this pic for all the Beethoven events, are they trying to tell us something?

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>>55382090
>The Proms listing uses this pic for all the Beethoven events, are they trying to tell us something?
And who broadcasts the Proms?

Oh my God.

>> No.55382256

>>55381983
>unbearable whiteness of classical

>> No.55382276

>>55382256
>>>/p4kgeneral/

>> No.55382367

The Tumblr post cited above is simply entitled “Beethoven Was Black.” The author states frankly: “First of all, let’s get this out of the way: Yes he was [black]. By today’s standards, based on descriptions from people who met him, if you were shown a photograph of the real Beethoven and then asked to guess his race, I guarantee you 99% would say ‘black.’ ... If Beethoven were alive today, ancestry aside, he would be treated as a black man by society.” Here we have another theory of race: at the very least, this writer tells us, Beethoven was—or would have been—functionally black. Regardless of the composer’s actual genealogical makeup, he would have been black enough to be discriminated against had his blackness been more evident or more publicly expressed, or if he were American. De Lerma relates a con- versation between Raymond Blathwayt and Samuel Coleridge-Taylor no later than 1907 in which that composer supposedly remarked that, “... if the greatest of all musicians were alive today, he would find it somewhat difficult, if not absolutely impossible, to obtain hotel accommodation in certain American cities.” Another writer assumes in his post “Ludwig van Beethoven was Black ... The Late Great Composer was a Black Man!!!” that “In the Southern States Beethoven would have been forced to ride in the jim-crow car.” Perhaps the widespread appeal of this myth is the presumption on the part of many bloggers that Beethoven would not have been able to become Beethoven under certain other circumstances—most obviously that he could never have achieved such greatness in an American context. For whatever reason, these analyses—while leaning on the supposed veracity of Beethoven’s African heritage—never problematize or praise or acknowledge how the composer was able to become Beethoven in a European context that must have (according to this logic) celebrated him despite his ambiguous or exotic origins.

>> No.55382466
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55382466

Beethoven was one of the most innovative and amazing musical geniuses, ever. His deafness made that amazing genius even more so. As a Black woman and a musician who has spent a lifetime listening to, studying, and performing his music, I believe his music reveals a cultural connection to his African ancestry. In the Blom edition of Grove's Dictionary of Music and Musicians, p. 20, is stated, “A rhythmic or time-active cast of thought was inherent in his nature,” and “(n)umerous examples could be given from familiar music in which an off-beat accent converts an ordinary into an extraordinary passage.” The distinctive characteristic of off-beat accents, or syncopation, is intrinsic and integral to Black people's music making, which gives it a unique vitality and kinetic energy.

My favorite examples of this rhythmic trait are his mammoth string quartet known as “The Great Fugue,” which sounds "way ahead of its time" and foretells 20th century atonality. Also, the second movement of the last Piano Sonata he wrote, Op. 111 in C minor, sounds like the genesis of jazz. I believe he had exquisite foresight as to how music would evolve in the future. He was an astounding piano improvisateur, which moved Mozart to prophesy, “He will give the world something worth listening to.” The last movement of the “Waldstein” Sonata, op. 53, has a syncopated bass, which might inspire gospel music clapping. It is also the same off-beat pattern used in reggae and Hip- Hop music.

Beethoven makes prolific use of the syncopating kettle drum in much of his orchestral music, such as the dramatic Symphony No. 5, which contains one of the world's most famous themes, and the majestic “Emperor” Piano Concerto No. 5. He was the first composer to invigorate European Classical Music with prodigious use of this decidedly inherent African rhythmic trait.

>> No.55382538

>>55382466
honestly very interesting points

>> No.55382846

Ooga booga where da piano sonatas at

>> No.55383294

>>55369562
Isn't that the bruckner organ?

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>>55368297
How does one even become a composer?
All of the composers I can think of were studying with the masters in prestigious musical institutions by the age of 14.
It's unfair as fuck because nowadays the world literally shoves all manner of distractions down your fucking throat when you're that young, so you end up spending your early years playing video games and shit and then by the time you want to be a composer it's too late (all this projecting).

Anyway, I can barely read music, any advice as to improving my musical knowledge?
Would it be better to go to school for music or can it be done NEET style?
Because I'll go to a fucking monastery if that's what it'll take, I'll walk dammit.

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>>55381983

>> No.55384215

>>55370055
link?

>> No.55384503
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55384503

>>55381983
>Beethoven was black
Is this kind of shitposting common in /classical/?

>> No.55384515

>>55384215
I said go to fucking rutracker.

>> No.55384805

Should I post Erkin again?

>> No.55385508

>>55384515
I don't have a rutracker :^( gonna search it on what.cd tho

>> No.55385659

I think I should post Erkin again.

>> No.55385792

Erkin is definitely underrated. It won't hurt to post some of his music.

>> No.55385821

Bach is obviously the best

but my fav song w/ an organ is a toss up between organ donor and light my fire

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