/mu/ - Music (Temp full images)

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>>55272739
A metric fuckton of extremely influential hip hop artist are 5%er idiots

Kominas are good but a total "news site" band

>>55272762
>noi
>islam

music is haram

>>55272762
>Five Percent Nation is anything like Islam
Check out this literal retard.

Saharan Cellphones was goat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngCK0mwnx5c

Look out OP, the liberal cuck SJW brigade is going to arrive to convince you how amazing Islam is and how you're a racist for suggesting that Muslim's are anything but peace loving angels.

ALLAH THE SWAG

>>55272806
I mean I called them idiots, I know they're idiots following a completely fucked interpretation of the religion

Still wouldn't exist without actual Islam

>>55272807
What about this project makes you think it's related to Islam?

>>55272739
arent a lot of black ppl in the states in Islam? like those black panther and 80s era black ppl

All I know is Muslim bitches don't tip.

>>55272831
And Christianity wouldn't exist without Judaism. Should we include Christian rock bands as seminal Jewish acts or are you not entirely retarded?

>>55272834
The song is about allah of something

>>55272844
For real. Muslims are the worst fucking tippers. Even worse than black guys. They're also the most self entitled fucking assholes in the world. Fuck them.

Just because you don't know a single thing about music produced outside of the Western world doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I bet not one person here could name three artists that are muslim or come from a predominantly muslim country, but I can guarantee they have their own music cultures. You're just totally ignorant of it since music doesn't cross language barriers very much.

>>55272867
>>55272844
*expression used in mocking response to a statement of opinion thought to be held by a young adult male who probably wears fedora as a fashion accessory*

>>55272909
Music is harem in Islam. I'd like to be enlightened to all of these artists from Islamic states that we're unaware of. I'll assume you can name three since you're insulting other's ignorance.

>>55272958
*expression made by a liberal cuck who has never worked in the service industry*

Some people are just shitty tippers. Sorry that breaks your white guilt bubble m8.

WHAT IS EASTERN TRADITIONAL MUSIC?

How about you actually go and look for islamic music before you open your fucking mouth? theres plenty of good shit, youre just too pleb to find it, and even if you did, you wouldnt appreciate it.

>>55272988
Why don't you post some of this good shit then faggot.

>>55272965

lol, yeah, every muslim hates music. just like how every christian supports westboro.

all trad, not particularly dank

Islam has contributed absolutely nothing to humanity and in general it's set civilization back several centuries. It's no surprise that no good art comes out of Islam because the religion has a stranglehold on creativity. Moderate Muslims are cool but the religion is a complete and utter shit hole and it's going to keep getting worse before it gets better, especially with the way liberals are ready to bend over backwards to not hurt the feelings of radicals.

>>55273026
upvoted

>>55273026
You still haven't named 3 artists

>>55273010

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnCKYzsokYE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egrKGqDzNhc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkLveDsM7Q4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH8BgubvXWM

>>55273026
I didn't say that every Muslim hates music, I said that music is haram in Islam which is an indisputable fact.

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islamic_Law#Music_and_Art

Educate yourself and then tell me who these prominent Islamic musicians are.

>>55273063
check
>>55273069

"...Muslim scholars interpret Islam as prohibiting the use of musical instruments except for some basic percussion."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasheed

>>55273080
this is actually really good

>>55273046
>Islam has contributed absolutely nothing to humanity and in general it's set civilization back several centuries

literally open wikipedia for the first time in your life you uneducated piece of shit.

>>55273094

yes, it is an indisputable fact that it is haram.
it is also an indisputable fact christianity hates homosexuality.

Yet islam has as much worship music as any other religion. They even fucking sing on a loudspeaker for the whole town to hear several times a day. Theres even a branch of Islam almost entirely dedicated to music called sufism.

Prominent islamic musicians are everywhere, all you have to do is look for it.

>>55273069
>sufi is the same as islam
this guy

>>55273094
INSTRUMENTAL music is considered by SOME to be haram you fuckwad

>>55272844
*tipping intensifies*

>>55273162
please see
>>55273110

>>55272965
If you think music isn't going to happen just because some say it's haram, you have no idea how religions work. I don't normally go into music from most muslim regions so I don't know their musicians all that well, but I know enough that I can say there are even artists who do music with a heavy islamic devotional bent, like Sami Yusuf.

Plus there's always been an awful lot of music coming out of the sufi tradition, which is a subculture of islam. And there's loads and loads of mainstream pop produced in arabic countries like Egypt and Lebanon - Tamer Hosny is huge, he even worked with Snoop Dogg once - hell even Saudi Arabia has a few pop stars, you just never hear any of it outside of arabic-speaking countries.

Since I'm not that well-versed in muslim musicians, though, I'll just go for three big names: Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, Zakir Hussain, and, I dunno, Nazia Hassan.

>>55273137
Oh wow it's the golden age argument again. How long ago was that again?

>>55273156

its a branch of it. Are you saying that catholicism and protestantism are two different religions, and not both branches of christianity?

They're singing "allah" for chrissakes. Its muslim.

>>55272858
This is a stupid fucking post and you know it. A much more apt comparison would be Mormonism/Christianity.

>>55273182
>Are you saying that catholicism and protestantism are two different religions
I'm not but that's true you fuck wad.

>>55272988
this is /thread

Can't remember the last time I heard any Inuit music.

>>55273196

they pray to the same fucking god. same symbolism, only real difference is minor ceremonial shit. if you dont think sufism is islamic then youre a fucking retard.

>>55273200
Throat singing.

There is no Inuit religious law against making music though, so I'm not sure why you're mentioning it.

>>55273174
>moving the goalposts

>>55273156
third one aint sufi

>>55273196
In fairness, a better comparison would be saying it's like Catholicism and Christianity are two different religions. Islam refers to all the subcultures under it, and Sufism is just one of them.

>>55273187
I'm not really sure why you think Mormonism and Christianity would make any more sense than Judaism and Christianity. Both of these comparisons have a religion that deviated from it's source material and produced a new holy text centering around a new, unrecognized prophet.

>>55273224
Okay fine, let me rephrase my argument:
Islam has contributed nothing to humanity since the 13th century. Is that PC enough for you?

I always preferred Hindu music anyway.

>>55273276

and what the fuck have you contributed to humanity? does that make you feel superior, the "primitivism" of islam?

>>55272739
not just music...

Islam has like 0 nobel prizes as a whole kek

Has there ever come anything good out of Islam?
>Inb4 medical achievments 1000 years ago
those happened IN SPITE OF Islam

fucking sandniggers

>>55272762
nation of islam isnt real islam

>>55273300
What do my contributions to humanity have to do with Islam? I'm a single person. Billions of people had over 700 years to not live in a desert embracing ignorance. You can think I've contributed nothing to humanity but that has no bearing on Islam.

>>55273278
There's no real distinction in India though. Anyone who's been trained in Indian traditional music tends to perform any of the music regardless of religion. Muslims will perform music written in praise of Hindu gods and vice versa, since the musical tradition supersedes the religious content.

>>55273326
im saying youre projecting your own disappointment of your own failures on a group of people that are coincedentally the easy target of this day and age.

if you actually knew shit about islam, you would know the radicalization only happened 50 years ago, and thats when it all went to shit.

Tfw you will never have to live in a war torn desert shithole
Feels good to be white

>>55272739

Islam isn't a culture, more like part of the culture of various ethnicities and nations. I haven't really heard any Middle Eastern folk or pop music but I'm sure there's good stuff out there, as anyone with two brain cells to rub together would naturally conclude, if this weren't a bait thread that is.

>>55273372
>the radicalization only happened 50 years ago, and thats when it all went to shit

Yep! Sure is a good thing ancient Mecca is still around, and all the amazing history wasn't smashed to pieces while Mohammed was still alive, a tradition that continues to this day! :^)

>>55273372
Are you sure I'm the one who is projecting? I don't have a problem with moderate Muslims, but radical or not Islam is fucking useless and any contributes Islam has made to humanity has been in spite of it. Not that it's done fuck all for the last 8 centuries. But morons like you will ensure it's long existence because you can't accept criticism of this shitty belief system without throwing retarded insults.

>>55273386
>tfw western countries are so terrified of being called islamophobes that islam takes over and civilization goes to shit
in your life time anon

Islam is literally NO FUN ALLOWED the religion.
No beer
No music
Women must all wear a trashbag
have to prey 5 times a day NIGGA AINT NO ONE GOT TIME FOR THAT
Have to grow a neckbeard

>>55273372
>But morons like you will ensure it's long existence because you can't accept criticism of this shitty belief system without throwing retarded insults

this so much

>>55273436
hey man don't insult the prophet mohammed that is racist! brb reporting you for hate crimes

>>55273404

I'm not a supporter of any type of religion. But i dont judge millions of people based on the loud minority that are the extremists. Sure, we would be better off without islam, like we would without any other religion, but its so fucking easy for you to just say "fuck islam as a whole, nothing good has ever come out of it".

Thats too easy, nothing is black and white.

>>55273404

Youre basically taking a hugely complicated issue and reducing it down to "fuck them".

>>55273494
What the fuck are you going on about? I said that I have no problem with moderate Muslims but the religion itself is complete and utter shit. You seem to agree with me but you're still going off on some shit about "don't judge all Muslims!" I'm not judging them but I'm calling their religion retarded because it is. Maybe you could stop foaming at the mouth because I insulted your ultra PC sensibilities by insulting Islam.

>>55272739
Considering Islam isn't itself a culture but a religion, I don't understand the question.

Unless you're asking if there's a culture that has contributed as little to music as Middle Eastern culture (which would still be broad, considering you're talking about several different subsets of cultures within a geographical location), my answer would be probably, considering the Middle East has contributed, despite many restrictions due to political oppression, a fuckton of awesome artists.

One of my favorites:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8e_jEEDMQU

>>55273436

To be honest, Protestantism is also a NO FUN ALLOWED religion, but it got mellowed out by coexistence in liberal capitalist society. Same shit will happen to Islam in time, most likely.

If we're going to bitch about muslims could we at least go back to talking about music rather than the generic shitflinging I could find on any board? I don't feel like enduring the geopolitical ignorance it always brings on tonight.

>>55273506
nice samefag: >>55273494

It's not a complicated issue. Islam is bullshit and it's bad for the world. I never said fuck all Muslims so fuck off with that shit.

I'd seriously like to hear what you think Islam is doing that is good for the world.

>>55273560
muslim cuck detected

>>55273529

>im not judging them but im calling their religion retarded

nice contradiction you got there, m8.

>>55273560
Son this is a bait thread. Do you expect any actual music discussion?

>>55273585
Yeah wrong choice of words but the meaning should be clear. I'm not condemning all Muslims or saying "fuck all Muslims!" I'm saying that Islam is complete and utter shit. I still don't get what your beef is because it seems like you agree.

>>55273592
Even if the thread had been started with honest intent of discussing music from islamic regions it would probably degenerate into this anyway. So forget that it's a bait thread, can't we have one decent thread discussing non-Western music for once?

>>55273624
Son this is /mu/, no one here has ever heard of any non-Western music because it's not on Pitchfork or TheNeedleDrop. We only discuss the latest hip hop album and post funny memes here.

>>55273561

of course that was a samefag, i wanted to add that shit.

Do you really think it's ISLAM that is causing people to chop peoples heads off and take children as sex slaves? not poverty, analphabetism, or the thousands of other underlying causes?

islam is the excuse, not the reason.

>>55272739
john coltrane, pharoah sanders, mccoy tyner and i think monk too were all muslims

>>55273624
Yeah, dude. I posted some up above at >>55273552

To be fair, most of my knowledge from that corner of the world is limited to metal, I'd be glad to see some more stuff posted.

Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf7i6UB5vGw

>>55273644
There was a Japanese music thread on here literally hours ago

>>55273709
Japanese music is pretty much the only safe non-Western scene on /mu/. And I guess if you can call the kpop threads that.

>>55273709
Japanese music is like if you took western music and condensed it to the most manufactured and shallow form possible

>>55273618

my beef is that im constantly seeing people saying Islam is the cause of the clusterfuck of a situation we got going on in the middle east, as if all these people converted to atheism tomorrow it would stop everything.

yes, islam is bullshit, but so is every other religion. all the more reason to think that maybe it is not islam that is to blame, but rather the poverty and lack of education these people have.

>>55273741
lol

Uh, hello people? Yusuf Islam? The former Cat Stevens? I mean, everything he's done since his conversion has been totally lukewarm, but still...

In any case, if you've heard Christian music or music with Christian undertones, you've heard Islamic music, because it's the same religion. Islam is just the story of how Muhammad was walking around one day and collapsed into a heap, then got up and said "Wait you guys, Judaism and Christianity are cool."

>>55273748
Also active destabilization, cutting off supply lines of necessities, decades of coups and apartheid and living as if life is impossibly cheap.

Yeah wow, they're willing to kill how surprising.

>>55273655
Do you really think it's anything but ISLAM that is preventing those countries from escaping poverty, illiteracy and the thousands of other underlying causes? Religion is a great tool for despots to continue to oppress and control the lives of their subjects.

But even if I'm going to believe that you're naive enough to think that religion doesn't cause conflict, people cause conflicts, could you please tell me what fucking good Islam does for the world? Can't wait for you to tell me how it helps people as long as you're not a woman, gay, trans, bi, an apostate, etc.

>>55273659
Calling Coltrane a Muslim grossly oversimplifies the man's expansive spiritual side which included Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, and Hinduism to name only a few of the influences he had in his religious life. He said in the liner notes of Meditations that he believes in all religions.
He was a deeply spiritual man and with all respect to Islam and to the role it had in his life I think it short changes him and would insult him to say he was just a Muslim.

>>55273727
>>55273741
Yeah.
Also, KPOP threads have absolutely nothing to do with music and everyone on this board knows that.

>>55273767
I was going to mention Cat Stevens but I think the focus of the thread was people who hail from those civilizations who are indoctrinated by Islam and whose socialization is deeply affected by it and the culture surrounding it. Cat Stevens' life experiences up to his conversion were all pretty run-of-the-mill, milquetoast white dude, you know? As much as I love him and would love a conversation about him here, I don't think he really counts.

>>55273795

Yeah, i think theres a lot of more reasons other than islam that keeps these people in this situation, because im not a fucktard that grossly oversimplifies hugely complicated international political situations to cater to my latent racism.

>>55273767
While you're not totally wrong about Islam, that doesn't mean it influences Christianity (even using your explanation it's the other way around) nor does it have any influence on Christian music.
It does have influences, though, and OP is really wrong. To name literally one album that has gotten big on here, Plastic Beach by Gorillaz (Damon Albarn has been influenced by middle eastern music in general lately, in addition to plenty of other non-western scenes)

>>55273748
>yes, islam is bullshit, but so is every other religion
Why do you liberal cucks always work on the assumption that critics of Islam love other religions? Guess what faggot, I think all religions are bullshit. I don't need to make that a disclaimer everytime I say a naughty thing about your cuck religion.

And fuck off with this bullshit. Every western nation that has separated church from state has significantly improved because of it. States like Indiana that try to implement tradition Christian beliefs into state law end up infringing on basic human rights.

Could your dumb cuck ass at least acknowledge that relgion plays a role in keeping the dumb and poor dumb and poor?

>>55273687
I don't know all that much about Middle Eastern music myself, but my main area of interest is South Asian music, which is still related since Pakistan is a Muslim country and Muslims play a large role in Indian culture.

Pakistan actually has a pretty significant music scene, I really need to get more into it. Their tradition of Sufi rock has been around for ages now, Junoon was especially famous for it in the 90s. I don't even really listen to this stuff but I've still heard of them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GLYKYgSE0Y

There's also growing scenes for pop, hip-hop and electronic stuff, from what I've heard. Bohemia is a Pakistani-American rapper who's fairly famous in South Asia, I'm actually really fond of this track. It's so chill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjRxAi8g_J8

>>55273804
Why are you guys bringing up kpop? It has nothing to do with the Japanese music that mu discusses.

>>55273795
You realize if you replaced Islam with Christianity here it'd be totally accurate, right?
Religion can be used as a weapon by anybody. Anyone with a basic understanding of human history knows that the one religion that has most often been used to murder people, force them into poverty and illiteracy, and attack other religions (in addition to people who are women, gay, trans, bi, etc.) would be Christianity.

>>55273846
There we go... I'm a racist for disliking a political belief. Took you long enough to pull the race card, but I knew you had it in you!

Again, could you please name a few things Islam is doing for the world that you consider beneficial. Or perhaps you could tell us how Islam is helping combat all those evil outside influences that are keeping those poor misunderstood Muslims poor and stupid. If you can't name one fucking thing perhaps it's time we call you a racist based on your own shitty logic.

>>55273871
>You realize if you replaced Islam with Christianity here it'd be totally accurate, right?
Yes, how does that detract from the fact that Islam is shit? You seem to have mistaken me for a Christian.

>>55273796
oh thought he was just muslim. my bad

>>55273847
I wasn't saying either really influences the other (or each the music of the other), just that the message of the three religions boil down to the same thing.

>>55273870
Because it's non-Western music that /mu/ technically 'discusses' even if what they actually do is just jerk off to their favourite idols.

>>55273870
The first dude brought that up as an example of non-western music /mu/ discusses in addition to Japanese music. I was just saying that it's not really a valid example due to the lack of music discussion.

>>55273889
>I wasn't saying either really influences the other (or each the music of the other)
>if you've heard Christian music or music with Christian undertones, you've heard Islamic music

I'm not trying to be a dick here, but that's literally what you just did.

>>55273907
Not him, but that second quote suggests a similarity not a direct influence.

>>55273882
I'm not mistaking you for anything, what I'm saying is that if you blame Islam you're oversimplifying the issue. Islam does not inherently do any of what you said because it's interchangeable with any other religion.
Your argument shows the issues of religion as a whole. To then say it's Islam that's the problem ignores this.

>>55273923
Still totally inaccurate, but that makes more sense.

>>55273907
The subtext being "in terms of religious themes" which are ultimately incidental given my supposition of the nature and origins of the religions.

>>55273874
Not him but religion can be used for personal growth and moral development. Islam helps countless people in that way. The fact that radicals in a religious group use religion as a backbone for evil purposes doesn't detract from some people's beneficial relationship with faith.

>>55273892
Where exactly?
>>55273709

>>55273989
Okay, technically second dude, but the dude before me
>>55273727

>>55273848

guess what, faggot. i dont think you actually understood SHIT about i was trying to convey in my post. how about you reread it a couple of times, im not gonna rephrase it for your stupid face to comprehend.

>>55273932
>Islam does not inherently do any of what you said because it's interchangeable with any other religion.
Wat.

First of all, it does *inherently* do many bad things because that shit is written in the fucking Koran. I know you're not retarded enough that I need to provide citations.

Secondly, even if all religions are inherently oppressive and things I said about Islam could also apply to Christianity... how the fuck does that free Islam of responsibility for the atrocities it commits in Islamic states? Do you understand how fucking retarded this logic is? I mean, do I actually have to explain this shit to you?

>Your argument shows the issues of religion as a whole. To then say it's Islam that's the problem ignores this.
Islam is the problem in fucking Islamic states where other religions are an extreme minority.

>>55273977
>moral development

K E K
E
K

>>55273557
sure we can wait next 200 years for that to happen and until than hope that they won't go full holy war on us.

>>55274013

>First of all, it does *inherently* do many bad things because that shit is written in the fucking Koran

ALL of the same bad shit can be found in any other major religious text too, i know youre not retarded enough that i need to provide citations.

>how the fuck does that free Islam of responsibility for the atrocities it commits in Islamic states

because if christianity is just as wack, why are we not doing the same thing over here? its basically proof that the religion is not the sole cause of the atrocities, but rather other reasons. How can you not see this logic? do you know NOTHING of the history of the middle-east?

>>55272739
madagascar culture

>>55274087
>because if christianity is just as wack, why are we not doing the same thing over here? its basically proof that the religion is not the sole cause of the atrocities, but rather other reasons. How can you not see this logic? do you know NOTHING of the history of the middle-east?
Holy fucking shit, how fucking retarded are you? Which shit stain country do you live in that does not have a separation of church and state? Do you know NOTHING of the history of developed western countries? the more secular we got and the more we embraced the ideas of the enlightenment the more progressive our societies came. and how the fuck can you even say this ignoring the fact that religious fundamentalism continues to thwart queer rights in several of these nations? my god you're fucking retarded.

>>55274033
>I am not personally religious so it has never helped anybody else
Sound logic.On an unrelated note, I'm not personally a fan of jazz music so nobody has ever gained anything from it and it is a useless genre and I just tried to make an over the top analogy and just realized that /mu/ is the /pol/ of music

>>55274190
Nice apologism, 10/10 would make fun of again.

>>55274190
All 4chan boards are the /pol/ of their particular subject, just like how /pol/ is the /pol/ of politics. That's just 4chan.

>>55273795
I think it's western economic imperialism and the fallout of a century of proxy wars fought for resource and territory control. Islam is just a convenient pivot for all of that to turn on. Islam isn't helping, but it surely isn't the proximal cause. It's the bullet, our governors are pointing the gun.

*tips burqa* M'infidel
*teleports behind u then detonates bomb*

>>55274144
Because the religion is not the cause of all this shit. The lack of education, in other words, that people are STUPID is the reason. Unless you give these people education, they will never have a separation of church and state anyway.

My whole point in this discussion is that if we focus too much on islam, we're only creating this boogeyman to take the blame, and that does NOT solve the situation.

You act as if we removed islam from the equation, everything would be better, which of course is true, but the underlying problems would still be there. People would still be fucked up. Maybe if you give em education and more choices in life than either growing opium for the invading force in their country, or growing opium for the radical islamists in their country, you will start to see some change. And then you will see islam change too.

>>55274190
>he gets his morals from a book threatening to punish him if he doesn't follow said morals
Wow such great moral development. Good thing that you can hate gays, feel guilty about sex and murder crawfish because a 2000 year old book told you to. :^)

let me know when jazz music attempts to impose moral values on people

>>55274256

You're cherrypicking. Just like those people that use their religion as an excure for hate.

While the bible does say that, it also tells you to love thy neighbour and blah blah.
Were it not for the ten commandments, the western world would not be at the place it is today.

While it may seem insane and unneccessary to actually have to write down that killing is wrong, thats only because those principles have been ingrained into our culture because of that very book.

>>55274245
Hurr durr and how do you expect any of these fucking nations to escape poverty and illiteracy with an Islamist government that actively prevents them from doing so?

You act like I've ever fucking said that Islam is the only negative influence in the middle east when all I've fucking said all along is that Islam is shit. It's funny how much you agree with me on this point but your panties are in a knot because I didn't also state my dislike for Christianity.

>You act as if we removed islam from the equation, everything would be better, which of course is true
>You act as if this statement was true, which is true
:^)

>but the underlying problems would still be there
Yes because nothing will change over night. Obvious statement is obvious.

Daily reminder Cat Stevens condones the Charlie Hebdo massacre and acknowledges ISIS as authentic Islamic state.

>>55274310
Yeah, because no non-christian culture has ever had rules against killing people.

>>55274256
I'm the guy you're responding to
>>55274310
Not him.

And as the guy you're responding to I am in no way religious whatsoever, I'm just not retarded enough to be as absolutist as you.

>>55274256
>let me know when jazz music attempts to impose moral values on people
Didn't we already talk about Coltrane in this thread?

>>55274310
>ten commandments

>You shall have no other gods before Me.
>You shall not make idols.
>You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
>Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
>You shall not covet.

WOW WHAT GREAT FUCKING MORALS GOOD THING THESE WERE MORE IMPORTANT THAN RAPE, SLAVERY, CHILD TRAFFICKING. ETC.

I ain't cherrypicking nigga, the bible has good messages and terrible ones. That's why it's a terrible book for any kind of morals.

>>55274355
did he create organized religion or am I missing something?

>>55274334
As a Muslim (I have not posted in this thread yet and for my own sanity will not be reading any responses I get from this post) Cat Stevens is a fucking lunatic and every Muslim I know agrees.
Obviously we think ISIS and Al Qaeda and every other murderous extremist, Muslim or otherwise, is more insane than Cat Stevens, but Cat Stevens is fucking insane.

>>55274378
I'm assuming that guy was just making a joke, but fun fact, Coltrane is a Saint in the African Orthodox Church or some shit.

>>55274328

>Hurr durr and how do you expect any of these fucking nations to escape poverty and illiteracy with an Islamist government that actively prevents them from doing so?

I'm guessing you didnt catch that whole arabic spring thing.

>>55274328
>It's funny how much you agree with me on this point but your panties are in a knot because I didn't also state my dislike for Christianity.

You not stating your dislike for christianity has nothing to do with it. A blanket statement like "islam is shit" only makes you come off as an ignorant racist, so i assumed you were one.

It's funny how your attitude mirrors the same extremists you hate.

>>55274380
Yeah, Cat Stevens instantly ruined his legacy with the Rushdie bullshit. Fuck him.

>>55274394
A congregation in San Francisco worshipped him as God incarnate, but when that congregation became part of the African Orthodox Church he was changed from God to just being a saint.

Personally I don't know what I believe but if Jesus was God incarnate and Muhammad was a legitimate prophet I'd believe that John Coltrane was at least more connected to God than most humans.

>>55274336
thats why i said western world, fucknut.

>>55274361
compared to the time it was written, those were fucking great morals. which was my point.

>>55274405
>arab spring
um, you mean the events that have paved the way for even worse islamist dictatorships? great example bud

>A blanket statement like "islam is shit" only makes you come off as an ignorant racist, so i assumed you were one.
Islam is not a race you fucking mongoloid.

Or shall I call you a racist for making such "absolutist" statements like:
>Sure, we would be better off without islam

Can you not see that you're making the same fucking points I am, just pussyfooting around. Jesus christ I wish you were a troll.

>>55274310
You're putting the cart before the horse. People didn't all think that murder was a fine thing until some guy wrote down otherwise. It was written down because people knew it was wrong. It was seen as a deplorable and lamentable fact of life. And, surprise, people in judaeo-christian cultures still kill people anyway, and we still see it as a deplorable and lamentable fact of life.

I hate libtards as they think they have the right answer by doing exactly what they're "trying to prevent" and I hate /pol/tards as (unlike /news/men who were self aware and usually above the age of 20) they are retarded manchilden and half of them are underage.

I hope you all are genocided for your stupidity.

>>55274441
I'd believe that John Coltrane was God incarnate. At the very least he was a prophet.

John Coltrane was one of the best human beings to ever allow us to listen to his music. The world is blessed to have had him.

>>55274447
Better look at that calendar friend. It hasn't been relevant for around 2000 years. And no, those morals were never "great."

>>55274461
>half of them are underage
>is clearly 13 years old

Keep on fuckin' that chicken

>>55274461
>le fence sitting man

>tfw you're liberal as fuck but oppose islam
People always thinking I'm some right wing racist. :'(

>>55274448

>Jesus christ I wish you were a troll.

;) ;)

>>55274472
True.
We didn't deserve him.

>>55274486
>>55274487
You know how I know you're underage; who are you quoting.

>>55274497
Nah, he's 100% serious. I've encountered these types before that think they're fucking holier than thou because they stick up for Islam. Just waiting for him to tell me how amazing it is for women in Islam or some other apologist bullshit.

>>55274504
Let's make this a John Coltrane Thread

You guys prefer Pre-Love Supreme or Post?

>>55274510
You know how I know you're underage; who are you quoting.

>>55274516
Post, not even a question.

>>55274523
You know how I know who you're quoting; you're underage

Islam Will Remain Forever for best nasheed

>>55274515

>>55274540
You know how I know who you know; you're how I know

>>55274551
Epic meme responses. You know someone's winning an argument when they start acting like a retard. Maybe you ought to learn what the actual fucking result of the arab spring was before you talk shit faggot. Now fuck off back to tumblr to cry about those racist islamophobes.

I hope we'll get to a point where humor can be made without stepping on the backs of entire peoples

>>55274553
You Know How I Know Who This Man Is Quoting? The Answer Will Leave You Underage

>>55274516
Meditations was his second best, so post. Really the more experimental and spiritual his records got the better, even though early Coltrane is great

>>55274573
nigger

>all these liberal cucks defending mudslimes

>>55272820
babby-tier "red" pill

Cat Stevens became Yusuf Islam and released some p. chill stuff.

Rakim, busta rhymes, brother ali, raekwon, ghostface killah, ice cube, mos def, lupe fiasco, beanie sigel, big daddy kane, Nas, Q-Tip

>>55276127
>hip-hop
>contributing to music

>>55276135
ebin

>>55276127
>nation of islam
>real islam

>>55276139
no, seriously.

name actual songwriters or composers

>>55273137
>le golden age copying other peoples works down so genius 10/10

>>55272829
Haha funny post!XD

Are you not saying this is the jam of the decade?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t-Nrek3VUE