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>Not a single thread about classical (read: the only truly good kind of) music?

Does every thread have to be started with this immature shit? Grow up.

>>54978412
Insecure /mu/core enthusiast detected.

bros, why is French Revolution-era Opera GOAT?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz5Vw_QF1Yc

I don't think i've heard anything more beautiful than this.

>>54978897
I've never heard that piece.

So the question on my mind is did Rautavaara ever explicitly use Messaein's concept of modes of limited transposition? I definitely hear moments in Raut that sound like Messaien but I am wondering if someone can confirm.

>>54978258
>posts "only good kind of music"
>OP pic is still a shit release
Classical has gone down the drain.

>>54979182
>Kempff
>shit
Classical has gone down the drain.

>>54979182
What do you expect from a Schubert fan

>>54979321
this

>>54979038
it's from the french composer, Etienne Mehul, who apparently had close ties with Napoleon. Composers like Mehul, Cherubini, and Gluck, were a crucial influence to early german romantic opera. if you're interested, i could upload a performance of that Opera to mega. It's called The Legend of Joseph in Egypt.

>>54978897
aka the gap between Mozart's death and the beginning of Rossini's career? It has a couple of nice works

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hlKnyZQhsk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5yfsgoyMTA

Question: are national anthems classical, pop or traditional?

>>54978258
Looks like a nice album. I need to listen to more Kempff. Acquired his recordings of Schumann recently.
>>54978897
>pre-Wagnerian opera

>>54979433
Obviously traditional.

Post some Chinese or Hindustani classical, western pigdogs.

>>54979479
There's a very good reason nobody talks about classical music outside of the European tradition.
Take a guess why.
Hint: it's shit.

>>54979501
>Hint: it's shit.

>>54979541
>Everybody has to like my poorly thought out, not nearly as meaningful music as much as me!
The funny thing is, too, that whenever people mention "ethnic classical musics" they never actually post any examples. It's one of those memes /mu/ goes on about that doesn't exist.

>>54979182
classical was always pretty far down the drain but now it's hovering pretty close to the sewer

>>54979577
This is due to white privilege.

>>54979577
Or they post some, and people ask "What do you think makes this is as good as real classical music?", and they have no reply.

>>54979434
>post-Rossinian opera

>>54979479
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IvV5Z0wFR4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3ZB5Pb7XkI

>>54979691
Yeah no this is nothing like proper, Western classical music.

>>54979479

>>54979691
>"what a good thing this isn't music"-anon listens to non-western classical music
i fucking knew it

>>54979577
Not him but

Surely there's something of note outside the west?

>>54979783
>of note
I'm sure that, in their respective genres, there are things that Ethnic classical music offers that Western music doesn't.
But it lacks it pretty much every stylistic department that matters.
It's like saying "Surely there's some mainstream Pop of note?"

>>54979823
>>>/pol/

>>54979783
sure, in the westernized east eg japanese western classical music composers, or chinese pianists

>>54979783
>Surely there's something of note outside the west?
This is the first step on the path to cuckdom.

>>54979838
What the fuck does my opinion have to do with /pol/ you idiot?

Who remembers the very first "/classical/" thread?
>>/mu/thread/S39480291

>>54979867
In the land of the cucks, the uncucked man is a racist.

>>54979759
I'm not them, I just like Rossini :<

I don't understand the insistence that music played outside of Europe will never be as good as 'real classical music.' European music achieved an unprecedented development of polyphony and harmony, but it's not all-encompassing.

>>54979844 see >>54979642

What's the last Ravel piece you've listened to /classical/?
>>54980028
CLT seems so much happier then.

Thanks for coming out to the last thread, everyone. We finally made it to 300 after a drought so now I can feel enlightened by my own intelligence for a while longer.

>>54980276
gaspard

Remember when /classical/ and /jazz/ used to butt heads sometimes. Those nights were always fun.

>>54980420
Remember when JtG would drop trip to compare himself favorably to the /classical/ gang, but one time forgot to drop his trip first?

Three octaves are used in Indian ragas music. These are low, medium and high; and within each octave there are seven notes equivalent to the tonic sol-fa system. Each of the Indian notes has a name related to its origin as well as a syllabic name. The whole octave consists of: Sa, Ri, Ga, Ma Pa, Fha, Ni and Sa. We shall, however, confine ourselves to their Western equivalent C, D, E, F, G A, B and C, though there is no such thing as a fixed key in raga music. The Indian C can be any note in the Western scale. It is the relationship of the notes within the octave to each other which is important.

The Indian scale divides the octaves into twenty-four shrutis or intervals in the South, and twenty-two in the North. The intervals are decided in relation to one another with C as the tonic. The musician can start his tonic C on any interval of the three octaves so long as he follows the relations of the intervals, Instead of having a fixed key, Indian music emphasizes the scale.

Despite the fact that the Ragas belong to five, six or seven note scales, not all of the twenty-two shrutis are used in every Raga, They are like a generous selection of colours in an artist's studio, but each Raga has its own particular scale or pallette of main colours. Sometimes notes or intervals outside the scale are also used as melodic ornaments, but with great discretion and care.

In addition to the set not of the scales, the Indian Raga employs a permanent bourdon or drone as a steady canvas of sound against which the notes of the Raga rise and fall. Though each Raga has a set theme, the Raga is neither a song nor melody itself. It represents the inter-relationship of an impromptu composition with a fixed scale, a series of rhythmic beats or strokes and a permanent drone, the continuity of the 'tonic'

>>54980028
Oh god I can literally smell reddit in that thread

>mfw I was in that thread

>>54980474
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/thread/S40580543#p40584424

>>54980474
>>54980646
Oh God, it feels like yesterday this all happened, just like when me and Cannabis pushed the Bauchtism meme

>>54979691
>Rossini
>not a one hit cowboy overture wonder

>>54980646
>tfw no more Dandyism

someone should go troll the jazz thread

>>54980945
How about posting quality OC in the /classical/ thread?

Remember when people used to do that?

>>54980993
lol that never happened you dumb dumb

>>54980945
yeah lets go and say racist words to them. hehe trolled.

It's really weird.
I go through phases where I listen to only classical and think "jesus christ why do I listen to that other shit" but then I go back to the popular stuff for a phase and I'm like "man how did I have the patience for this stuff?"

>>54980993
>quality OC

>>54979849
>>54980066
>>>/pol/

>>54982203
>>>/tumblr/

neruda songs tho

>>54980276
the piano concerto in G

>>54982504
see >>54982203

>>54980276
piano concerto for the left hand

>>54980993
>Remember when people used to do that?

>>54982560
I remember having an album of Lieberson works with a greeny cover, might have been this.

>>54983114
haven't heard this but
>knussen
>cleveland
>lieberson
>asko ensemble
man that looks great, grabbing it right now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeNj9aZ8MyU
Why is this so underrated? It's one of my favourite Bartok pieces.

>>54980276
Piano trio

I'm not entirely sure that this is kosher but seeing as it's not particularly easy to get classical recs in a chart thread, I thought that some of you might be willing to help me out by offering some recs.

I guess ECM still gets it right occasionally

Who is the best pianist for Schumann?

A modern violin concerto appears!

https://vimeo.com/123174235

faggot who was making a list of modern violin concerti should check this out


>>54984296
>John Psathas
BAAASSSEED
Try his sax concerto Omnifenix, and his string quartet "Abhisheka" (both on yt)

For Pärt I would recommend Fratres for strings and percussion, his collage uber B-A-C-H, and Lamentate.

Also worth checking out the musica antiqua Koln version of art of fugue, if you prefer it on strings. their version with strings supplementing harpsichord is definitive imo
http://youtu.be/YqXZtGyFyDo

How do I into classical?

>>54984296
>no Mozart or Beethoven
>all that minimalism
>non-keyboard recording of the AoF
>Julius Eastman
Fix this.

>>54986743
listen to some pieces, work out which periods you enjoy the most. search out more composers from those periods. watch documentaries like these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmQbWxYZhGA&index=2&list=PLPg0EcjciNGtSebBmvD_CkThj_YJSDrdX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOO8IC8_VaY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSkidzg6TUQ&list=PLDDDC67CC2D034BE6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0NwiTHIhGM

>>54986743
Go through http://www.classical.net/music/rep/
Download stuff from
https://mega.co.nz/#F!mMYGhBgY!Ee_a6DJvLJRGej-9GBqi0A
https://mega.co.nz/#F!lIh3GRpY!piUs-QdhZACFt2hGtX39Rw
https://mega.co.nz/#F!Y8pXlJ7L!RzSeyGemu6QdvYzlfKs67w
https://mega.co.nz/#!1V8TSDwL!e5er4zSSyB3kPArCUM02-1KXzlyOkfgfJl6XE9w5orY
https://mega.co.nz/#!CkEQlBbY!k33vuAiD6wJT4C3jAmU8HZ2k_NDz2nF0Jy6qiBdzkwU
Learn what performers you like and what they're good in and once comfortable find your own recordings of works.

>>54986484
richter, annie fischer, samson francois, emil gilels, sofronitsky, natan brand, kempff, cortot, michelangeli, catherine collard, moiseiwitsch, moravec, argerich, fanny davies, adelina de lara, list goes on

>>54986855
>>54986888
Thanks guys

>>54986741
Thanks for the recs. I've already heard Frates and Lamentate, but I'll check out uber BACH and that Koln version of the AoF. By the way, Omnifenix is the first track on View From Olympus – it's my favourite track too.
>>54986789
>no Mozart or Beethoven
>all that minimalism
These aren't my top 16, they're just albums I've been into lately; I listen to plenty of Beethoven, Mozart and non-minimalist stuff.
>Julius Eastman
What's wrong with Julius Eastman?

>>54986922
I said who is the best, not give me a list of every passable pianist who has played his repertoire. And Richter is a given for any composer. I wanted one who was particularly exceptional with Schumann

>>54987030
>What's wrong with Julius Eastman

The fact that its impossible to find any of his music.

>>54984296
Try these.
https://mega.co.nz/#!TBB1lLBA!M-gJkU14JjhiSMHeHTmMFy5Y7SZw_-e7dvjO0ipWuzI
https://mega.co.nz/#!2VhTAC5B!ccRjMA3tW-maRiLgbB1dhA7kyqM4UYd1ntVRpDKa480
https://mega.co.nz/#!nABDHbID!8JmXJbaMr25v0O1bZoTWH-id0lZqPRQ4oyIz00ojqGg
https://mega.co.nz/#!aA50jZgb!EJAjtUHAug9TW_H0DsZvD3DQU04D0YPrVWAUAANpjqk
https://mega.co.nz/#!zBJEwBYJ!61-nGusbVG9YiUdtb5jKIDyVkepYK4FRGBY6sbrHLCQ

>>54987052
This is due to white privilege.

>>54987035
I don't believe in "a best performer" unlike some spartans. If you're looking for that then you're in the wrong passtime.

>>54987035
>I wanted one who was particularly exceptional with Schumann
He gave you several. try Sergio Fiorentino

I really enjoy classical solo piano such as chopin, debussy, and satie, but I usually just listen to the random shit that is on spotify. Can anyone recommend me some specific albums or pieces by these artists that might stand out from the rest of them? Or maybe even other artists? I really feel like I am just skimming the surface of classical solo piano and classical music in general.

http://www.wqxr.org/#!/story/boston-symphony-major-label-shostakovich-cycle/

my body is ready

>>54980993
It will never happen because you guys are so fixated with indie stuff (I use the term very loosly here) to actually post the very good shit. What you don't realize is that in classical music the more mainstream and famous a composer is, the better he usually is. This is why you see this bullshit minor author and never the best bits of Bach, Brahms, Beethoven, Chopin's etc.
So, to change that, listen to:
>bach btw 1023 violin sonata
>brahms first cello sonata
>mozart sonata for two piano kiforgotthenumber
>beethoven's piano concerto n.3 third movement.
I won't post links because various different executions appel to different palathes

>>54987357
Have you ever listened to Freddy Kempf's rendition of Chopin's first ballade? It's on youtube and it's peculiar... to say the least

>>54986953
Start listening to the more noob friendly authors (mozart and Tchaikovsky), and start getting an idea of classical music is actually made of: concerts. sonatas, quartets, quintets, symphonies (tchaikovsky's piano concerto 1 would be a great starting point) Please not that these authors are absolutely great, it's not like you'll move on to better things, just to things that aren't as immediate on their grasp on the listener.
From there on you could try with Bach and Beethoven, one of finests pieces of bach is the violin chaconne in d minor, you could listen to that (I'd recommend perlman's version, but it's arguable wether or not it's the best one).
Then you can move on to romancisim, and fully understand how music evolved from bach and beyond.
A good starting point there would be medelsshon's violin concerto 1 and his chamber music (quartets, octects etc.); you can also throw in some of the most sophisticated tchaikovksy, like his piano trio.
Then you can move on to Chopin, listen mostly to the ballades, piano concerto 1, piano sonata 2.
When you're familiar with most of romanticism you can move on to brahms, and I suggest really listening to his music again and again untill you fully understand him. He's now my favourite author, but the first time I had listened to his violin concerto I though he wasn't even music at all.
Then you can finish with the early 20th century, listening to Rachmaninov's piano concertoes 2 and 3
This should give you a good, general idea.

>>54989425
>you guys are so fixated with indie stuff
we talk about "the masters" every fucking thread.
also
>not brahms 4th symphony
>not mozart piano concerto 23
>not beethoven's late string quartets
bwv 1023 is cool but i prefer the solo partitas.

anyway, talking about the "indie" guys is one way to actually appreciate the old masters more. you see the development of styles more clearly (even though links aren't readily apparent between composers then and composers now, the links are still there.)

>>54987052
Unjust Malaise is over 3 hours of his music. Definetly a good jumping off point, though I wish most of his stuff wasn't thrown on the street after he was evicted from his apartment and became homeless.

>>54987357
definetly check out scriabin. piano sonatas, piano concerto, and the symphonies are all goat. if you want more symponic work, i recommend tchaikovsky's 4th-6th symphonies. for more piano stuff, listen to bach's well tempered clavier or maybe lizst's piano sonata

>>54989551
Meh, I prefer symphonies 1 and 3 more; mozart's piano concerto 23 is very good and so is beethoven's chamber music in general, I just recomended the first good things that popped in my mind.
I'm not negating that the masters are sometimes discussed, but giving newcomers shostakovich's shitty music as a starting point is going to alienate everybody that wants to get into it

>>54989612
Shostakovich is far removed from being an "obscure indie author".

>>54989612
shostakovich is a great starting off point for some. it just depends on your tastes. he's pretty easily accessible for most, I think. and he belongs in the category of "old masters" as well. the only thing that might be daunting for new Shostakovich listeners may be the length of his symphonies. Symphony no 5, 7, 10, the cello concerto no 1, the piano concerto no 1, the piano quintet, and (the one every fucking body knows) the waltz no 2 from the suite for jazz orchestra 2 are all pretty melodic and accessible works, even for someone not familiar with classical. If someone wanted some darker stuff they could start with the string quartet no 8, symphony no 8, viola sonata, or the piano trio no 2.

>>54989690
We might know him, but that doesn't make him a tiny bit less obscure,

>>54987030
>What's wrong with Julius Eastman?
RYM avant teens that's what's wrong with him.
He's a mediocre Minimalist but morons on RYM praise the fuck out of that album to look cool.
Anyone who considers that album anything but a novelty has no taste.

>>54989693
It's not the lenght of his symphonies, it's fact that he's a 20th century author; most people would find boring everything that doesn't have verse+chorus+verse+chorus song structure; and to these people you recommend Shostakovich? You're too far up your classical ass

>>54989800
lmao, shostakovich's style is directly modeled after classical and romantic era compositions. most of his pieces are tonal, and don't deviate too far from principles of sonata form. symphony no 9 in particular is extremely neoclassical and conservative, even mozart-like.

>>54989800
People appreciate this in terms aesthetic, not looking for some arbitrary "chorus" structure. It's the imagery and Shostakovich is accessible in that regard.

>>54989800

>>54989860
>most of his pieces are tonal
The fact that you even have to specify something like that should be a clear indication of the point I was trying to make.
B-but guys this is totally entry level, I swear, I mean I like it, so it must be

>>54989872
I don't understand what you're trying to say: do you mean that people should appreciate Shostakovich for his imagery istead of his music?

>>54989944
I'm not saying what they should be listening for, I'm saying that people new to this just hear what it sounds like, and Shostakovich is not inaccessible in terms of his pure aesthetic.

>>54990089
I see, I can agree with your point. Though they'll hear what it sounds like, but none of the great prashes that would keep them coming back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVfz5YymsXI

let lenny lay it down for you laymen

>>54989800
that's the worst anti-shostakovich justification i've ever heard

>>54990464
I'm not ant-shostakovich in the slightest. The point has gone over your head

>>54986484
>Who is the best pianist for Schumann?

pollini.

>>54987035
>I said who is the best
I don't think you know how music works.

>>54990483
>but giving newcomers shostakovich's shitty music as a starting point is going to alienate everybody that wants to get into it

https://twitter.com/ValLisitsa/status/504972900936712192

What a surprise: Glass/Nyman fans are intolerable racists!

>>54990582
a symptom of minimalism, no doubt

>>54990581
I think you're confusing not considering someone as great as other, and having an agenda against that person

>>54990612
the brain can't handle too much repetition
makes it go haywire and start comparing the Ukranian government to Hiter/the Holocaust.

>>54990616
when i say "shostakovich" in this context i obviously don't mean just the person you dunce

What's your favorite non-Symphony, non-String Quartet work by Shostakovich /classical/?

>>54990733
>non string quartet
the piano quintet :^)

>>54990749
that reminds me that I still haven't checked out Takacs' latest recording of it.
fakin college connection doesn't allow for torrents though so probably will have to wait a while.

>>54990776
i'll grab it for you

>>54990803
you're a true m8. very excited to hear it. I think its Hamelin on piano as with the other recordings with Takacs.

>>54990733
it gets a lot of flak around here but i really like piano cto 2.

>>54980276
I rendered a few Disklavier recordings (MIDI XP) of Gaspard de la Nuit in pianoteq the otherday, sounded rather marvellous http://a.pomf.se/wwzwdn.7z

>>54990733
2nd cello concerto

>>54990821
its uploading

>>54990776
here you go https://mega.co.nz/#!OUoiCAST!mbinN0_p6LYhwX9OTyZ9Cm7836VLMBvuOxyhic8AVxQ

>>54991308
based

>>54990749
the third movement is by far my favorite, but the whole piece is excellent

liking this roberto sierra album a lot, mfw i'm mellowing with age RIP

>>54992902
and talking of schumann earlier, there's a work named carnaval in it http://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=8.559738

is roussel underrated?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIXi_10hXig

>>54986922
and I'm gonna particularly recommend nathan brand from that list, somewhat underknown because he died young but what a pianist he was
>fanny davies
>adelina de lara
typical rabidch though, inventing pianists i've never heard of smh

recs?

>>54993278
always pass him by somehow, in my mind he's part of those 2nd-3rd tier french composers that i don't know well enough

not including the renaissance guys because i don't know whether they count as french, burgundian, flemish or whatever

1st tier
debussy, ravel, boulez, rameau, couperin, fauré, dutilleux, chopin

2nd tier
saint-saens, bizet, satie, poulenc, messiaen, berlioz, alkan, chausson, franck, varèse, dusapin, grisey, murail, barraqué

3rd tier
roussel, koechlin, boulanger, massenet, délibes, gounod, lully, auber, d'indy, charpentier, chabrier, duparc, the organ guys only organists care about, duruflé, françaix

using 'french' loosely

>>54993389
he's on hitchcock's desert island discs list, so i figured his work should be worth hearing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p009y7js

>>54993389
He's literally God tier. From chamber music, symphonies, opera, piano, and songs

>>54993594
Chopin was polish

>>54993594
d'indy is at least 2nd tier c'mon
messiaen 1st tier (boulez and messiaen have to be on the same tier at least)
poulenc is third tier (maybe alkan too?)

>>54993594
>>54995410
>D'Indy was a committed monarchist, joining the League of la Patrie française during the Dreyfus affair. He was anti-Semitic, but did not extend this bias to his Jewish colleagues.[1]

>monarchist
>anti-semite

some garbage tier political beliefs, but fervaal is legitimately amazing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Izyy63hT300

>>54994203
so he died poor

>>54986888
>https://mega.co.nz/#!TBB1lLBA!M-gJkU14JjhiSMHeHTmMFy5Y7SZw_-e7dvjO0ipWuzI

what is in the last 2 (5, 7 gb) roughly explained?