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Boyd Rice

>>54913541
Steve Albini

What separates music that is dark in tone from edgy music?

>>54913541
Young Trent reznor

>>54913541
Are you serious?

>>54913541
can you please provide some examples

>>54913569
I'm not saying his music is edgy; I'm saying he is edgy as a person.

>>54913579
Varg is batshit fucking crazy, so he loses edgepoints

>>54913565
this
albini is the edgiest of all, no contest.

>>54913572
This.

But, currently, OP is right. Trent grew up tremendously. Gira has regressed to the angry middle school stage and I think he's there for the long run.

>>54913565
>who isn't being even a little ironic

>>54913569
Well gira's lyrics often expressed a feeling of superiority to society. This can be seen in swans early work

>>54913541
He is an edgelord. Being in an adult prison at 15 will do that to you.

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>>54913594
What? Gira is significantly less edgy now than he was in the '80s. He actually likes people now, that's a big step for someone like him.

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>>54913583
>I'm not saying his music is edgy; I'm saying he is edgy as a person.

He's really just a normal person. The violent lyrics aren't just for the sake of edginess, they represent something.

>>54913583
How does that make him lose edgepoints?

>>54913660
>uh!? ]:) tips fedora, whats essential fedo

>>54913583
>must be sincere for maximum edge
>varg is so sincere he must be crazy
>loses edge points for not enough irony

just because you disagree with varg does not make him insane (or you sane)

pic related would be the opposite edge of the spectrum; an edgelord artist whose edge lies in their irony and sarcasm

>>54913541
Gen P.

Read The Consumer and tell me Gira is not a genuinely disturbed guy.

>>54913565
>>54913593

he may HAVE been but he's mellowed out and or learned to shut his mouth quite a bit since his Rapeman days.

He's pretty much at John Lydon status theses days when it comes to edge - Just a stubborn but basically harmless old crank that can be depended on for a predictibly snarky comment. Thank god he still produces good music, thats really the only thing keeping him from just being a historical curiosity

>>54913673
Yeah he's a pretty nice guy

>>54913727
winner!

GP has taken his edge farther with actions than anyone, including GG or Varg. I mean look what the fucker has done - TO HIMSELF

(yes, varg, it takes more balls to fuck yourself u permanently than it does another person or a building)

(yes GG, it takes more edge, to surgically alter yourself than it does to shallowly cut yourself and get in fights)

Get a load of this edge lord
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-xMkHgan0Y

>>54913553
boyd rice for the win

>>54913541
St. Vincent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSG8WAuCiZA
Go to 3:38
She started normal and progressed into a pretentious edgy clown granny.

>>54913882
What Gen P did to himself was more out of love for his wife than pure edginess, or so he says.

Still the edgiest motherfucker in music as far as I'm concerned.

>>54913673
gonna need a source - other than his musical persona - on how actually misannthropic and hateful he was in the 80's

I'll bet he was just regular guy, maybe a tad moody and private, offstage. Do you know of stories of him being an asshole raving misanthrope from the period? Was he mean to Nardwuar?

Reminder that >>54913901 published >>54913750 by >>54913541

>>54913945
Yes, I know, I bought it.

>>54913956
>Buying books
lol cuck

>>54913933
During the 1990s when he wrote The Consumer he was alcoholic, Jarboe was also very edgy during that period so she played a part in them trying to out-goth each other.

Gira got less edgy after Jarboe left, the later Angels of Light stuff is tame by comparison.

>>54913882
never struck a chord with me tbh, because he genuinely comes off as the most fucking vapid delusional cunt on every interview he's ever given

It just makes the projects look like bad comedy acts

>>54913932
What's the story with his wife?

>>54914034
>What's the story with his wife?

He got surgery to look like her, and she got surgery to look like him. They met at some BDSM club in the early 90s.

>>54914113
For what purpose?

I faintly remember something about becoming one and all that shit, and thought that a baby is the literal representation of that, idk why they'd bother to do this. But i was never fully interested so probably remember something wrong

>>54914159
it was like body sculpture. they claimed to be a pansexual being, that is, the same being in male and female bodies. the idea was that everything would match except the genitals.

gen took a lot of hallucinogens back in the day, and he's got that whole magickal thing, so i'm sure it made more sense to him

>>54914159
they wanted to be mirror images of each other, but upon her death he decided to transform himself into the image of her.


For a great read on where they were right before starting all this, check out the article on them in RE-Search's 'Modern Primitives' discussing their (at the time) edgy and avant garde as hell tattoos and piercings

side question: is "edgy" the new "hipster"? they seem to be used in pretty much the context but i'm seeing the latter less

>>54914191
>>54914208
>gen took a lot of hallucinogens back in the day, and he's got that whole magickal thing, so i'm sure it made more sense to him

Both Gen and Gira, due to their heavy psychedelic use have a bit of an obsession with the relationship between the body and the soul.

>>54914261
do we know what gira's drug of choice is/was? genesis did lsd in his hippie commune days and mdma in his acid house days (ironically enough)

>>54914292
Gira did shitloads of LSD as a kid, I think he was also doing it in the 1990s as I pointed out >>54914001

All I remember reading from that was the Michael Moynihan interview he did where he mentioned that sort of stuff.

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>>54914261
>>54914292

yeah "Gira's heavy psychedlelic use' sounds like an assumption to me.

I mean pretty much everyone has done psychedelics some - does anyone have a source indicating Gira took it especially far?

>>54914332
alcoholics can get into some pretty dark places, i bet that had way more to do with it. 'crack-up'-era f.scott fitzgerald is a great example of this

>>54914362
If you combine LSD or DMT with alcohol it will really fuck you up, much darker than standard trips from what I've read.

>>54914314
So he did some as a kid, a little early admitedly (I waited until I was 15, myself) but i get the feeling it was just a youthful thing


SECONDS: How prevalent or integral were drugs to the punk scene in your experience?

GIRA: People seemed to drink a lot, and certainly there was a lot of Methadrine around - a really evil and corrosive drug - and though at first LSD was looked down upon as a vestige of the hated Hippies - I took a lot of it myself when I was a psychedelicized thirteen-year-old runaway street kid - towards the end of my time in LA, around 1979, I seem to remember that people were taking a lot of LSD, which was a weird sensation coupled with the music of that time.

>>54914362
yeah, this I can buy, especially considering the amount of alcohol lyrical references ("Goddamn the Sun')

>>54914314
I read an interview in which Gira admitted he did a lot of drugs as a teenager but stopped entirely once he seriously started to make music, and he also said he was very glad to be out of that phase and wouldn't wish it upon anyone as he was just a "zombie". I think the interview was from 1986, so I doubt he was on LSD in the '90s.

>>54914407
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeNc4tI5km8

>>54914420
I haven't read the interview in a long time, he might have been reflecting back on those times.

this motherf*cker

>ALLAH SUPREME
>ALLAH SUPREME

jesus christ john 30 000 people died on 9/11 why even joke about something like that

>>54914463
Nah legendary but not edgy

>>54914420
acid does a lot of thing to a person, but making them a zombie isn't one of them. quite the opposite, actually

>>54914549
It's what he said. Michael doesn't even state what drugs he was taking in the interview I was referring to. I'm not sure why it matters either.

>MICHAEL GIRA, this extremely polite and almost formal person who onstage in crusty longjohns roars out his bile and occasionally drools, was born in Los Angeles. He won't say when, but his teenage years in the late '60s and early '70s were spent "taking so many drugs I was like a zombie looking in at life through a window.

>"I was just misguided. I don't think I got anything out of that indulgence - it just destroyed any potential I had at the time. I'd recommend all teenagers abstain from drugs and corrosive substances. There's no romance in self-destructive behaviour."

I've deleted a bit.

>"I put that in public? God, I'm really an idiot. I don't want to talk about it. Suffice to say, when I was young drugs turned me into a zombie. Within the space of a week I was both[...] The one that happened to me was [...]. It's really a sordid thing. [...], being powerful and powerless, were disgusting.

Michael Gira is The Übermensch.

>>54913553
>>54913906
B-But isn't Boyd Rice ironic to a certain degree?

He's after all a troll, too.

>>54913553
Boyd is mainly a comedian.

>>54914986
He's an organic fascist.

Not very familiar with the metal scene, but aren't 90% hyperserious edgelords?
Also VNV Nation is cringey and edgy as fuck