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54773519 No.54773519 [Reply] [Original]

When did you realise that metal, including the shit like dream theater and malmsteen, was garbage and didn't really require technical talent?

>used to be metalfag thinking I was so advanced playing harmonic minor arpeggios like my favourite le shredders john petrucci and yngwie malmsteen
>liked classical music and thought metal was like it (didn't even know classical guitar existed)
>get back into guitar except start playing classical guitar
>using carcassi method and sor's method
>carcassi and sor have more techniques and methods of playing for BEGINNERS than the all of metal guitar has

Don't forget, sweep picking is a jazz technique and barely used in metal unless it's the tryhard shit and even then it's usually tastelessly implemented.

I like Paul Gilbert and some other guys still but they're basically the only real amazing guitarists and innovators in metal. For the most part 'innovation' in metal is making a new subgenre by using more pedals/distortion, making edgier lyrics, and growling in a deeper voice. Shame the retard metalheads lap it up instead of trying to advance the genre.

>> No.54773571

>>54773519
all the pieces are there but its a bit too hostile, not subtle enough.

i can give you a 6/10 but i know you can do better

>> No.54773636

huh sweep picking is pretty usual

malmsteen is basically a bach footlicker and you would see that if you listened to anything he did

paul gilbert does a lot of repeat soloing it feels like he started off a gimmick and then branched into real music and felt obligated to put garbage into his music to show everyone can do guitar parlor tricks

wait i don't even get it anyway you're talking about lame ass 'shred' metal which EVERYONE grows out of so uhhh congrats for turning 18 or whatever bro


also what >>54773571 said you coulda veiled that better to annoy someone i guess although the target audience is good since shred metal is literally a phase that kids who play guitar go through

>> No.54773689

>>54773519
technical skill =/= good

>> No.54773717

>>54773519
Right after chewing my first eccie and seeing DJ Shadow for the first time

>> No.54773781

>>54773636
Malmsteen is a Paganini footlicker.

>> No.54773825

>>54773689
>being good =/= being good

>> No.54773826

You're... really insecure lol.

Like I line up on most of what you're saying but you're exaggerating them hard out of insecurity and need for acceptance here.

Calm down...

>> No.54773836

>>54773519
If I posted your face, would you never post again?

>> No.54773889
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54773889

>>54773825
>technical skill = being good

>> No.54773897

>>54773781

EXAMPLES

>> No.54773939

>>54773897
He has said it outright, a lot of his solos are straight out if Paganini's violin works.
Look up some of his caprices and variations on a them.
He invented "shredding".

>> No.54773948

>>54773897
Consider 90% of anywhere where he openly admits it dumbass.

>> No.54773970

People listening metal for the technical talent are doing it wrong. Especially those bands who only show off how fast can they play but make horrible 'music' (the entire technical death subgenre)
> 'innovation' in metal is making a new subgenre by using more pedals/distortion, making edgier lyrics, and growling in a deeper voice
This isn't always necessarily true, but I agree that metal could think of new ways to grow.

>> No.54774020

>>54773970
I know this is a troll thread, but most prog metal is the least progressive thing I have ever heard. It's just scales and arpeggios with no actual song on top of it.

>> No.54774163

>>54773939

can you point out a particular similarity? ive not listened to yngiwe in a long time but im pretty familiar with the caprices

>>54773948

ive seen him openly refer to things he does as being bach influenced but i dont remember any where he says paganini. again my yngwie dicksucking phase was about 6+ years ago so i don't remember all of the stuff

>> No.54774213

>>54774163

by a similarity i mean besides HIGH NOTE VIBRATO QUICK DESCENDING HARMONIC MINOR SCALE or whatever i think that's more general wankery than pagnini influenced although paganini is supposed to be the god of wank i think

>> No.54774220

>>54774020
this is pretty accurate honestly. when i was a teenager opeth was my favourite metal band and i thought i was a huge prog metal fan but it turned out i just liked the atmosphere and melodies. most if not all prog metal sounds wanky

>> No.54774284

>>54774220
Yeah, you hear the words prog and metal and are waiting for the music to take you to that special place where you're riding a dragon and stabbing a mountain to death. Turns out I like really cheesy power metal.

>> No.54774603

>>54774284

no prog metal just means dream theater clone and we already know that sucks in advance

>> No.54774660

>>54774603
There was prog metal before dream theatre, anon.

>> No.54774672

>>54774660

dream theater took METAL AS FAR AS IT COULD GO

>> No.54774711

>>54774672
I'm pretty sure botanist is doing that.

>> No.54774716

>>54774163
Bach is very, very different from what Yngwie does so it's unusual for him to say he was inspired by Bach.
I can think of a bunch of Paganini pieces his solos sound like, but no Bach pieces out of his 1000+ works.

>> No.54774729

>>54773970
underrated post

>> No.54774751

Does OP realize that there are many subgenres in metal that don't give a fuck about technical abilities?

>> No.54774787

>>54774751
If OP is who I think it is, he's a total neckbeard and a bit of a sperg. Also shit at classical guitar.

>> No.54774800

>>54774751
no because he's like the kid who made the video about how death grind brutal core was not real music

>that coward don't even listen to za gerogerigegege

>> No.54774819

Nope, never fell into that pittrap.

>> No.54774855

>>54774800
That video gave me nausea

>> No.54774882

>>54774855
What? Come on that shit was hella adorbs.

>> No.54774909

I also don't see how it is surprising that someone who studied classical guitar is technically better than some guy playing metal, i mean his instrument has been around for some time …

Also: A spanish guitar hasn't that much in common with an electric guitar.

>> No.54775037

>>54774716

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGMETgsQsQ

the bit he does in this he refers to as bach


i guess the more that i think about it it's paganini but all that baroque shit sounds thes ame anyway

i bet if i uploaded random corelli / bach / handel you wouldn't be able to tell which was which unless you study music in uni or are a mega dweeb

>> No.54775061

>>54775037


also the intro to black star strikes me more as bach than paganini. evil eye opening does as well. there's other examples too probably that i don't remember off the top of my head

>> No.54775173
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54775173

Chuck Schuldiner is the best metal guitarist because he's not a "shredder" but he actually understood phrasing and knew how to play tastefully

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUxmBBTFi5c

>> No.54775285

>>54775173
this is really annoying to me.

>> No.54775458

>>54775285
I picked a shitty example because he fucks up the start of the first solo in the video but the rest is great.

https://youtu.be/MFITdh7DrW4?t=175

This is a much "cleaner" solo, I couldn't find a live video with good audio quality though.

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54775509

>>54775037
>but all that baroque shit sounds thes ame anyway

>> No.54775516

>>54775173
His solos are all kinda samey though. Still fun to listen to them.

>> No.54775606

Wow OP, you are really cool.

>> No.54775690

>>54775509


http://vocaroo.com/i/s1b5phmEOsUd
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1Pk31yeG5hV

who are these two? which one is which? i can post fulls if you want but my internet is pretty slow

>> No.54775704
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54775704

>>54775458
>>54775173
Fun fact: Chuck Schuldiner was an early shoegaze fan, he was famously obsessed with Lush and he also cited My Bloody Valentine as an influence.

>> No.54775795

>>54775458
yeah you're right this is better despite the shit quality. i've never really listened to this band before where should i start?

>> No.54776059

>>54775795
He plays solos on almost every song so not all of them are perfect but there are plenty of standouts, search "Best Chuck Schuldiner solos" on Youtube or whatever to hear the great ones.

"Human" is probably their best album and definitely has their best line-up. (the 2011 remix is superior) The great Paul Masvidal plays second guitar, he only plays three solos on three songs on the whole album but he steals each track. The rhythm section is so good it's silly.

https://youtu.be/XMxmgTzmIIg

Other than that, check out Symbolic, which is about as good as Human and has more "professional" production values, and Sound of Perseverance, which is their most musically developed album. That's where the good solo I posted came from. Individual thought patterns is also great.

>> No.54776172

>>54776059
im listening to human now, its great. thanks anon.

>> No.54776310

>>54773519
I kinda "grew" out of metal (not in the le ebin maymay sense), I still listen to it from time to time and I still have a wide array of knowledge in the genre, but there's a lot of metal musicians are absolutely crazy from a technical perspective.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEo8IrU5MQk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc1s_GxMBoM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k0f-ZxRJ_A

That being said, technical =/= good, and bands that ride on technicality without focusing on other aspects generally tend to be soulless.

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54776424

>>54776310
Sean Malone, the bassist from Cynic, has a PHD in music theory and used to be a professor at Carnegie Mellon. Look it up.

>> No.54776442

>>54776424
Sean Malone's an absolutely brilliant bassist.

>> No.54776728

>>54776310
the guitar tone on that vektor song is ridiculous.

>> No.54776819

>>54776059
Check out Individual Thought Patterns if you like Human, the songs are mostly in the same style. Steve DiGiorgio (bass) and Andy LaRocque (second guitar) steal the album. There's some controversy over which mix is best but it doesn't make too much of a difference.

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>>54774020
>>54774220
>>54774603
That's bullshit though, there are many interesting and innovative prog metal bands

>> No.54776885

>>54776442

Part of the reason his playing on Focus is so great is that he had no prior experience playing heavy metal so he just made up his own thing and it sounds totally unique.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq_DiR5frEA

>> No.54776935

>>54776876

if you exclude subgenres there's no prog metal that isn't a dream theater clone or a devin clone

>> No.54776936

>>54776876

Where the fuck are Human (Death) and Unquestionable Presence (Atheist)? It's hard to take this list seriously when it's missing the two greatest technical death metal albums of all time.

>> No.54776967

>>54774603
>>54774220
>>54774020
ayy lmao, the thing is that there's no specific prog metal sound and what you think is prog metal is a very slim sliver of an entire blanket/umbrella term.

>>54776935
you know nothing about prog metal. there is no main prog metal genre. That's like saying there's a main prog rock genre.

prog in general encompasses many different styles and subgenres.

>> No.54777032

>>54776967

i arbitrarily categorize my music by lastfm tags and you should too

also if we aren't to consider the subgenres as much different than everything is just caveman chanting and progressive drum beats ya dingus

>> No.54777078

>>54776967
>there's no specific prog metal sound
There are a few. Instrumental prog metal has a vein it follows and all your scale the summits and pomegranate tigers and hakens start sounding the same.

>> No.54777086

>>54777032
You must have read my post incorrectly because none of what you said made sense.

Prog metal is an umbrella term, it's any kind of metal that could be labeled progressive. There's so many ways something can be progressive that it's pointless to even list them. There is no "prog metal subgenres", or specific prog metal sounds.

>> No.54777126

>>54777078
But does that mean it's the specific prog metal sound? There are bands who start styles that catch on, but in general, progressive metal isn't limited to a main vein at all.

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54777177

>>54773519
Does le anyone else le hate le metal music? xD It's le not even le real music. I have le good taste in le music. Am I le popular yet?

>> No.54777207

>>54777126
Actually, that's pretty much how all prog works. A band comes out and innovates and then everyone else copies them for a decade until a different band does something new. It's easily the least progressive of all music, doubly so now that all the tropes of metal are on board.

>> No.54777224

>>54777086
Name 10 prog metal songs that sound nothing like eachother.

>> No.54777254

>>54777224

he'll just listen stuff that were progressive in different genres

progressive metal is a genre but he's saying it's just a quality that genres have


it's pointless pls end that shit discussion here

>> No.54777303

>>54777126
I mean that there is a definite sound you could characterize large swaths of it by. Invert some tetrachords, arpeggiate, angular chugging in the background, maybe some kind of solo but no actual melody most of the time. Epic sounding single word song title/excessively descriptive pseudo-literary bullshit.

>> No.54777466

>>54777207
You haven't properly explored progressive metal, then. You are judging it by surface bands.

>>54777224
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFnxRDDg9ec

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF_42zfAEOM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVwl3kZwRX0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWY5Z6PCPS0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSB4_4e67w0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6aFvuLHv3A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n1ADOxY6ro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBB4muJje0Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH_cZE1ouuo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wa4zqBwPVE


>>54777254
Progressive metal is an umbrella term encompassing any metal with strong progressive tendencies.

>>54777303
Those are styles of metal that have more progressive elements in their music. My point still stands, Progressive Metal refers to any metal with strong progression.

>> No.54777678

>>54777466
Much like everyone else who uses the word progressive, you don't even know what it means. In the case of music, it means that a genre is using shit that isn't a part of the rest of the genre as a whole. Usually this means some jazz chords, lots of meandering wank, some cultural appropriation, and probably a string section.

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54777731

>>54773889
technical skill = being able to do more things =/= being good

>captcha says 666

>> No.54777915

>>54777678
>In the case of music, it means that a genre is using shit that isn't a part of the rest of the genre as a whole.
>Usually this means some jazz chords, lots of meandering wank, some cultural appropriation, and probably a string section.

Not really. Where did you get this from? Progressive means that it uses techniques and styles that isn't commonly associated with the genre in the first place.

Strange time signatures, unorthodox melodies, rhythms, and playing style, generally lengthier songs from what the genre's used to.

Progressive music is generally (with some exceptions) about taking a melody or an idea and expanding on it throughout the song until the final product at the end of the song either sounds completely evolved, or nothing like what the song started out as.

It just happens that a lot of prog groups incorporate elements from other genres. Incorporating elements from other genres doesn't necessarily make something progressive, however.

Progression in music has nothing to do with differentiating itself from the rest of the genre. It's about slowly, but strongly expanding, evolving, and/or changing from what the song originally was at the beginning, gradually throughout the course of the song.

>much like everyone else
You're parroting people.

>> No.54777948

>>54773519

>Shame the retard metalheads lap it up instead of trying to advance the genre.

http://www.metal-archives.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=65721&start=1120

>> No.54778971

>>54777948
How is 4chan actually less autistic than the rest of the internet?

>> No.54779807

>>54775704

Chuck Schuldiner liked almost all styles of music.

>> No.54779890

>>54773970
>'innovation' in metal is making a new subgenre by using more pedals/distortion, making edgier lyrics, and growling in a deeper voice
Not necessarily, there are a lot of artistic-minded bands that are innovating.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DDePrlB2Z4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8Djdi6z0m8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umuJeNea58c

>> No.54780006

>>54773519
Jazz + Classical > Metal

This is always true.

>> No.54780963

I like Led Zeppelin and Buckethead, but other than them, metal is meh. I mostly like a genre because it has a guitar.

>> No.54781004

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0cFsu-eI7k

>> No.54781005

>>54780963
Is LZ considered metal?

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