/v/ is talking about music again>>>/v/288746894
ok
To answer the question, it's obviously GTA 5.
why were you on /v/?
>>54716419Crossposters are cancer
>>54716419>going on /v/>ever
>>6329480
who cares
Stop shilling on their board, you silly Jew.
>people in that thread acting like video games are a higher form of art than musicdear god how horrifying
>>54716526Close enough
>>54716537Please educate us on your /v/ slang. What is "shilling"?
>>54716593Are you stupid? It's not slang it's a word
>>54716566
>>54716593what foliage, lunar eskimo, and primordial gods did on here
Why are you Jews crossposting? Stay in your containment zone. Discuss the latest fists to collide with Rihanna's face.
>>54716593shilling is /v/'s word for saying anything remotely positive about anything. They are convinced that everyone who likes video games are getting paid to like them(they are probably right to, because I couldn't sit down and play with a fucking childrens toy for hours on end without you paying me)
>>54716615The context is off
>>54716660
>>54716749/v/ is an interesting place.
>>54716541music is a pretty low tier form of art, just above games.
>>54716771of autism
>>54716488>he doesn't go on /v/, /tv/, /lit/, /mu/, /fa/, /int/ and /r9k/ and have deep knowledge of all board cultures and customs (and dank memes)>he spends his entire 4chan existence on one boardlmao step up bro
>>54716855stay away from /lit/ you meme loving fuck
>>54716782It's not and this is a bad post
>>54716881make me
>>54716782I don't know, it's a pretty pure form of art. Not as pure as literature, but music can be generalized to pretty much anything you can hear.
>>54716855Never thought I'd be able to witness a true memer
>that entire threadjesus christ I always heard /v/ was a shithole but to see it in person is horrifying
>>54716593shilling is what we call viraling
>>54716891it is>>54716911visual art > literature > film > music > video games > interpretive dance
>>54716899*draws mahjong**goes full foie gras on his neck with tiles**chokes him to sudoku*nothin personnel, kid...
>>54716970>visual art:^)
Why the fuck are you noise loving shits coming to my board to stir up trouble?Advertise on your Facebooks, not /v/. Don't do it again.
>>54716970literature is highest, nerd.
>>54716970I would have to sayMusic > film > literature > visual art > video games > interpretive dance
>>54716970>visual arthere is a le top lel meme:TOP LELOPLEL
>>54717039>music and film highest>Loved by every shit in the trailer park and ghettoNo
>>54717021No, one of your /v/ friends posted a thread about music and we had to take a look in your board.
>>54716990>>54717046i encompassed every visual art into it. do you think i have the time to type all that out?>>54717030get out /lit/ don't you have a marxist rally to be at>>54717039good opinion i enjoy it.
>>54717067Don't do it again, smartass.
>>54716970>music only counts for pop and other experiential garbageIf you actually listened to Composers like Bartok, Bach, Debussy, Wagner, Monteverdi, and Rameau, you'd realize music is superior to film in every way.
>>54716970>video gamesGames are not art
>>54717106>If you actually listened to Composers like Bartok, Bach, Debussy, Wagner, Monteverdi, and RameauWaiting to see one /mu/ thread on any of these. Stop pretending to be more high brow than you actually are, /mu/.
>>54717039NoMusic > Literature > Visual Art > Interpretive dance > video games
>>54717106and what you consider garbage brings the whole category down>>54717122haha okay grandpa
>>54717133I can respect your opinion
hi /v/ do you enjoy steam powered girraffehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05-jeYSPQZ0
>>54717106and kanye
>>54717133>le music>le higher le than le literatureRETARDETARD
>all those unironic born in the wrong generation kids in that thread
>>54717106>debussygently memed, well done bruh
>>54717152No game has ever been art related. Hopscotch is not art.
videogames got corrupted by large corporations way too early to be considered a pure artform, but it does have a lot of potential, especially with VR coming on the spot
>>54717230who says you define what art is?
>>54717254vr is gonna be a crock of shit
>>54717132Currently listening to Bartok's 5th String Quartet, don't meme on me>>54717165Kanye is goat nigger>>54717208Go back to /classical/ and slurp up whatever cum leftovers CLT has left on that shitstain
>>54717181>/mu/ only likes bands nobody has heard of>hipster garbage>le art degree meme
>>54717259Good argument. Now ask yourself that
It will always be hilarious to me how gamers desire their medium to be considered an artform, but they reject any experimental artistic expression within the medium by calling it Tumblrcore or hipster bullshit
>all those people trying to reason with vidyafagsyou're fighting an uphill battle
>>54717254Music is the weapon of large corporations and loved by degenerates.
>>54717314You sound cyberbullied, Tumbrina. Close your eyes. Turn away from the screen.
I can't even tell the difference between them and /mu/ now. That's how far this board has fallen.
>>54716970literature should be the highest
>>54717313what makes music art?
>>54717314>It will always be hilarious to me how gamers desire their medium to be considered an artform,nobody worthwhile wants this to happen
>>54717355>combats actual logic with meaningless buzzwordsvidyafags, everybody
>>54717324Radio music*
>>54717314You forgot "no gameplay"
>>54717359>fallen
>>54717180>le
>>54717417those are all true except for the last one
Shit, they pruned the /v/ board. That was fun seeing how /v/iolators act
>there is nothing deep about music>said by person on /v/
>>54717374No no no .music has already been established as a Art form from performing to written to auditory. What makes video games art?
>>54716970Music is MUCH higher art than visual art you moron.
>>54717430i have probably fapped to that videothen slipped on my semenouch
>>54717462now we can expect the flamewar to migrate here. shit.at least we got this gem
videogames have the possibility to alter the story based on variables and it can make the spectator the protagonist, this by themselves make it a medium with large potential
>>54717537choose-your-own-adventure books pioneered this
>>54717537To my knowledge, no one in or out of the field has ever been able to cite a game worthy of comparison with the great dramatists, poets, filmmakers, novelists and composers. That a game can aspire to artistic importance as a visual experience, I accept. But for most gamers, video games represent a loss of those precious hours we have available to make ourselves more cultured, civilized and empathetic.
>>54717537fuck off /v/
>>54717486what stops video games from being established as an art?art has always been an open and liberal field, you should stop being so closeminded anon.
>>54717531>now we can expect the flamewar to migrate here. shit.Why are you sadI love board fights they're funny
>>54717314Nor can they deal with (cultural and/or artist) criticism.They are trapped in a bubble of their own making.
>>54717585Yeah, /v/ really embarrassed themselves on that thread.
>>54717537except this never works, the spectator remains the spectator, trapped in someone elses work or scheme. the flawed activity merely draws him deeper into subjugation, as is evidenced by /v/irgins being god damn morons
>>54717585it means we're on the defensive, i guess we have the homeboard advantage though
>>54717571Art should have no purpose.Video Games serve a purpose: competition.
>>54717537And in the process you remove all the intricacies and focused narrative for the sake of interactivity.
>>54717562that is the result of the medium becoming an industry in a single generation, the companies that have the resources focus on making best selling games and indie developers don't have the resources to fully expand their ideas
>>54717479>stop shilling on my Djiboutian fingerpainting image board
>>54717645incredibly wrongart can communicate all sorts of moral, religious and political values, and also video games are not for competition, they are for fun
>>54717626YeahI have a folder full of pictures for these occasions, I will meme the fuck out of them
>>54717645Yep video games give a false sense of worth that is absent from the human experience
>>54717671>art can communicate all sorts of moral, religious and political valuesThat is not an intentional purpose of the art most of the time: or if it is, it ceases to be art.>>54717694Thus they aren't art.
>>54717259a video game is a GAME you fucking idiot
>>54717039There is no way film is higher than literature or visual art. Films are severely limited logistically.
>>54717665indie devs are wank
>>54717567That is literally the opposite of what someone on /v/ would believe. What are you on?
Why do we hate /v/ and even /tv/? I can understand the appeal with /b/ and /pol/ though.
>>54717645>Art should have no purpose>art should just be pretty pictures :^)
>>54717736Dempends on the film you are watching. Many films have strongly contributed to western culture.
>>54717736>implying transformers 3 is worse than your precious memerap
>>54717571"Why are gamers so intensely concerned, anyway, that games be defined as art? Bobby Fischer, Michael Jordan and Dick Butkus never said they thought their games were an art form...Why aren't gamers content to play their games and simply enjoy themselves? They have my blessing, not that they care. Do they require validation?"fuck off to >>>/v/ you child
>>54717781I like the sounds from my meme rap though
>>54717750Read the thread in the OP and tell me why we should hate /v/
>>54717645that's wrong thoughart doesn't have to serve a purpose, but it canvideo games can serve a purpose, but they don't have to
>>54717750Video games and tv are for plebs. Music is art.
>>54717777Art is expression that is intended for nothing else other than its own aesthetic enjoyment.This is verified by academia. Fuck off /v/irgin.>>54717826If Art exists for a purpose - commercial, political, etc - it ceases to be art
>>54717781memerap has more meaning than transformers 3
>>54716970>visual artjust admit ur a pleb
>>54717777good use of quints
>>54717658assuming either side of the story is consistent, this shouldn't be a problem. >>54717742yes, they are incredibly conformist with their retro bullshit and "deep" storytelling
>>54717781Transformers was bad. It will have no cultural impact and served to line pockets
>>54717874but those are quads
>>54717730and?>>54717814i don't use /v/>ebert quoteebert was the biggest hack in critique and he should not be taken seriously.
>>54717855>If Art exists for a purpose - commercial, political, etc - it ceases to be art
>>54717658Perfect response.Also, the tier of art is as follows.Literature > Music > Film >>>>> Video GamesVideo games barely makes the cut but if it's to be taken seriously as an art form, the argument has to be gameplay driven. Many people who play or write about video games consider Bioshock Infinite the pinnacle of art in games. They don't even know what art is and something like that is embarrassing to see if you actually want to be taken seriously by other mediums. At least /v/ is on the right track in terms of realizing the game is shit. The discrepancy between how the game was reviewed and what it actually is is a great example of what's stopping video games from being taken seriously as an art form.
>>54717855>If Art exists for a purpose - commercial, political, etc - it ceases to be artwhat about art that is critic on politics like Guernica? just curious
>>54717750when it comes to /tv/, the taste of most people there is redditcore, not memeing you, it's where Harry Potter and GoT fags have their generals, after being told to fuck off from /lit/.
>>54717965What about theater and fine Art(painting sculpting)
>>54717918good point
>>54717993there are no harry potter generals on /tv/, stop with this false propaganda
>>54717610It would take extremely competent writters to pull it off correctly without ending in some "hurr i have amnesia who am i again?" bullshit or anything similar.And good writing is something that is missing in videogames
>>54718018Go start another thread about Wes Anderson, redditor.
>>54717088How's your autism board doing today, internet tough guy?
>>54717417holy fuck could this guy have his head up his ass any furtherwhat a fucking delusional asshole, this is hilarious
>>54718043>he doesn't enjoy the films of wes anderson
>>54717922>ebert was the biggest hack in critiqueand still, he made a good argument for your case. you still have not made a single good argument on how videogames are art. go play bloodborne or some garbage like that
>>54717965The videogame industry being garbage doesn't mean that the medium itself doesn't has potential. As long as it does not try to imitate film and tries to create something new with these new resources, videogames might have a shot. But realistically, we are far from that
>>54716462this
>>54718071>being this white
>>54716970""Visual art"" is a very overrated form of art.
>>54718043i don't use reddit either. go back to tumblr where the reddit boogeyman doesn't exist.>>54718076the definition of art:>the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.are video games an outlet for some people to pour their ideas and imaginations and creativity into? check. are they appreciated for their beauty or emotional power? for some people yes, even if just one person does then it's art. check. video games are art.
>>54717863>>54717915>>54717817Pretty sure that post wasnt meant to be taken seriously
>>54718256I still like the sound of my meme rap
>>54717814The only way that quote can relate to videogames are if we are strictly speaking about multilayer games.
>>54718101The potential lies with them though doesn't it? I'm just trying to speak on the future of games after acknowledging that it does have potential itself.>>54718004I don't know where to put theater but fine art is either in front of or behind music. I don't really know much about either so that's probably why I forgot to include them. Where would you put them?>>54717610>>54718026A good example of this is Catherine. The game can't keep up with the different ways that you act to the different girls. There are only a certain number of cutscenes that can be displayed while your playing the game and the same goes for endings. The end product is a game that isn't as fluid as the options you're given. Many other games suffer from this same issue.
>>54717230play i have no mouth and i must scream or bioshock or vampire masquerade bloodlines or planescape torment or deus ex or system shock 2
>>54718235the enjoyment of videogames comes primarily from the gratification of achievements. videogames including art such as music and visual art does not make vgs themselves art.
>implying this masterpiece isn't art
>>54718413get the fuck out of here /v/
can we all agree onmusic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> videogames?
>>54718452Yes
>>54718452NOThat question is subjective.
>>54718406who are you to say the amount of enjoyment of video games comes from the gratification of achievements? everyone gets something different from video games. it differs from person to person.
>>54718446>he doesn't like sotc
>>54717965If you want to see an "art" game, check out The Void or Pathologic. It uses gameplay to tell story and evoke moods.
>>54718452>asking this question on a music boardare you retarded or something?i'm just gonna say video games > music so we can't all agree on it.
>>54718446If you played this game you'd know what I was talking about
Is Ocarina of Time art?
>>54718452But video games are strictly a superset of music, therefore they are objectively superior.
>>54718452Can we all agree on apples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oranges?
TIL that everything is subjective.A music board will definitely be biased towards their formA video game board will definitely be biased towards their formNow I'm going to commit suicide. Seriously :^)
I dont think videogames are art, they are created always with the intention of being bought. Developers are like toy manufactures.Their sole purpose is to provide entertainment.Music trascends time and life.
>>54718554NOThat question is subjective.
>>54718559>implying music isn't made to be bought
>>54718484>who are you to say the amount of enjoyment of video games comes from the gratification of achievements?no one plays video games just to look at the pretty design and listen to the music of the first level. advancing to the next stage and interacting with the environment is what makes people buy video games. if thats not the case then most people would look at the design art on their computer and download the soundtrack and not play the game
>>54718535ur mom is a superset of you but you didn't hear me complaining about it last night
>>54718559>being that pretentious
>>54718614No need to get mad, nerd.What I'm saying this that video games have music, so obviously video games are better than JUST music.
>>54718559Euphoric
>>54718634everyone look at this idiot
>>54718634Video game music can't send any message. For example, To Pimp A Butterfly send a message. Transistor OST didn't. If you made TPAB as the ost of a game, it wouldn't work. Music in a game is just there so you aren't listening to silence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpsbj0OoeNo
>>54718736Of course it can, are you fucking retarded?
>>54718792What did video game music ever tell me?
>>54718559*tip*>>54718598maybe someone out there does play just for the graphics and listen to the music. the majority? probably not. some? yeah definitely. some games are made around the atmosphere and are more fitting in with what most people probably consider "art" (like shadow of the colosus or journey) than others (call of duty or league of legends). most people wouldn't just look at concept art on their computer because that isn't the same as experiencing it while playing the game.>>54718736is this bait?
Go to bed, /v/
>>54718102>not jenny death
>>54718812Really. Tell me what message a video game soundtrack conveyed to me.
lmao so many pretentious fucks ITT
>>54718896/v/ is getting mad that he was just told
>>54718895none because it sounds like you don't play video games.
>>54718634you should have an orgy with your family, obviously it's better than JUST shagging your mom
>>54718896/mu/ just getting defensive that there's a new popular artform on the platform.
>>54718928Actually....
>>54718896>resorting to buzzwordstypical /v/edditor
>>54718962Not really new. It's just I don't think it can convey a message as well as music has
>>54719011>/v/edditorFuck off to /tv/ retard
>>54719028it depends on the game. it doesn't necessarily have to convery one, just as music doesn't. when it is consciously made to have one, it can.
>>54719011>bitches about buzzwords >uses a buzzword Oh the irony
Music is just a tool for making more sophisticated forms of art.
>>54718509I started playing the void and it felt broken and incomplete. The soundtrack was alright, and the setpeices were kind of cool, but the overall mechanics felt really forced and I couldn't get immersed at all. A decent art-game would be something like Kairo, The Cat Lady or 140.
can someone sum up the thread? it's deletedwas it just a bunch of /v/irgins discussing their favorite anime tunes?
>>54719071I was talking about MUSIC in a game. You said that video games have music so video games must be a higher art form than music by itself.
>>54719036>>54719074>madcome on, say the word "pretentious" and add some "hipster" on top of that, /v/edditors
>>54719082it was /mu/ trying to raid and cause a shitstorm. it was cringeworthy on both sides.why is this thread not deleted but /v/'s thread is? because /v/ has a mod, that's why. fuck you /mu/ mod.
>>54716653woware /v/irgins stuck in 2009 or something
>>54719122that was a different poster, not me.
>>54719124>straight into u mad meme Top kek pathetic
>>54719127/v/'s mod can't handle the bantzbecause he is autistic neckbeard
>>54719082/v/ was trying to talk about TBAB, a bunch of /mu/tants came in and showed off some /mu/core, /v/ got angry.
>>54718981okay. well you're probably right that the soundtrack of the game on its own is going to send no message. it can help set the mood of the game, though, and the game itself can send the message.
>>54718634point at this manpoint and laugh
>>54719177I love how you are such condescending faggots about your taste, I'm not even from /v/, but a board that constantly spams the same albums over and over and unironically listens to meme rap, pop shit and generic indie has no right to make fun of others
>>54718634
>>54719328This is basically our little area to do that. Outside of /mu/ everyone is condescending to our music, just like you are doing right now.
>>54719328>implying I listen to any of thatgo fuck yourself/v/ is the worst board on this shithole of a site
>>54719328fuck off back to your cave, you obviously only listen to metal if you bash pop as a whole.also, kanye/DG/kendrick isn't memerap, just get eclectic, pleb
>>54719357wow poor youi hope you don't get bullied too hard at school tomorrow
>>54719373If you really think /v/ is the worst you have not visitvisited many
>>54719397Lol whatever, man.
>>54719397>bulliedstop trying to play Chad, /v/edditor
No visual artform can be higher than music.Visual media is inherently easy to understand in our visual society.Aural media, however, STILL is incredibly abstract.
pretty sure /mu/ is swimming in pussy compared to most of the boards
>>54719390Haha look at this butthurt drone and how someone insulted his shit taste >if you don't like muh epic rap you listen to meal I thought you are better than that >Kanye and Death Grips aren't meme rap Keep telling that to yourself >get eclectic How many other genres of black music do you listen to?
>>54719410/v/ is legitimately in the top 3 of 4chan's worst boards though
>>54719455Kek what /mu/ is literally /r9k/2.0
>>54719455>pussydon't be disgusting
>>54719508Just replace pepe with death grips and you have /mu/
>>54719430Keep spouting these buzzwords, 2013 poster
>>54718634https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
>>54719496If you think that you are new
>>54719564nice meme vid pal
Lol, /v/, you can leave now. It's already past your bedtime
>>54719575i'm willing to accept that if you post your personal top 3 worst 4chan boards not including /v/can't do it man
>>54719575great argumentyou sure convinced us
Video games are depravity. Begone.
>There are people who unironically think that video games can be considered artPorn is way more artistic than toys for manchildren
>>54719608I'm not him but /b/, /x/, and /mu/ are all much worse than /v/.
man why is everyone from /v/ so aggressive?
OFFICIAL WORST BOARD POWER RANKINGS/b//a//mlp//tv/POWER GAP/r9k//v/ = /mu//fa//sp/
>>54719608/pol//b/ obviously /r9k//co//sp//lgbt/
>>54719785/pol/ is the best board on this shitty site
>>54719658>>54719673>it's not art if I don't like it Fucking retard
>>54719774I didn't list /pol/ and /s4s/ simply because their levels of autism can't be measured
>>54719673Wow you sure convinced me with these buzzwords
>>54719810good b8
>>54719822>Being this madVideogame are NOT art :^)
>>54719774/r9k/ is clearly the best board
>>54719810/pol/ is part of the reason why /v/ is so bad
>>54719854Ok you were just shitposting
>>54719897>>54719845>>54719822A work of art is one person's reaction to life. Any definition of art that robs it of this inner response by a human creator is a worthless definition. Art may be made with a paintbrush or selected as a ready-made, but it has to be an act of personal imagination.The worlds created by electronic games are more like playgrounds where experience is created by the interaction between a player and a programme. The player cannot claim to impose a personal vision of life on the game, while the creator of the game has ceded that responsibility. No one "owns" the game, so there is no artist, and therefore no work of art.
>>54719774where are /co/ and /cgl/they have the highest amount of tumblr crossposters, they are instantly the worst boards besides /b/.
>>54719919Lmao where the fuck did you copy this bullshit from
>>54716911how is the purity of an art form determined and/or measured?
>>54716658I like videogames and music, what do I win
>>54719970>le mad buttblasted neckbeard faceCan you cite 5 videogames which can be compared the great dramatists, poets, filmmakers, novelists and composers.Only a game tuat can aspire to artistic importance as a visual experience can be considered art.
>>54719810really? because i constantly find /pol/-tier threads on boards that don't warrant them. /fa/, /fit/, /v/, etc. it's a cancer, to be honest.
>>54720014>Only a game tuat can aspire to artistic importance as a visual experience can be considered art.Says who?
>>54719828>/s4s/ is bad:^)
It's pretty rich to consider music an art form since pretty much all of it is done just for profit. That's not art at all. This applies to video games as well, but at least nobody actually thinks they're art.
>>54720057>Not even citing a single videogameCheck m8 ;^)
>>54720060>pretty much all of it is done just for profit.Most artists do it purely for the art, but ask it to be paid for as a means of living to CONTINUE producing the art.Commissions for Mozart and Beethoven don't invalidate their art.
>>54720060>if it's done for profit it can't be considered art You're by far the most retarded poster in this thread. That's quite an achievement.
>>54720118That's right. It's not art if it's not done for the purpose of art.
>>54719971i'm serious. can anyone answer my question?
>>54719919>>54720014>that mental masturbation
>>54720154The poster you were replying to was obviously pretty stupid.
not all video games are art, neither is all music. i consider music that has been made with the intention to be art to be art, and the same to video games. unjust malaise and shadow of the colossus are art. joyce manor and call of duty are not.
I think Music is a better art form than video games, but I can say that Silent Hill 1 is definitely art.
>people still arguing over whether videogames are "art" or not.This is definitive proof that the mind of your average person is 20 years behind the curve of everyone else.There's no point in this debate, because the debate is over.Videogames have met the criteria for being considered an "artform" for more than 20 fucking years at this point, more than 30 if you have a more liberal definition of "art".http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interactive_arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_gamehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_artYou faggots might as well be debating "Is the Earth REALLY round???".Whether you personally LIKE videogames or not is irrelevant. Whether you think movies or books or shitting on a canvass are better or more "artistic" than videogames or not is also irrelevant. They're an artform by ever agreeable definition of "art" and have been for DECADES, and you're a fool for thinking that you look mature by denying reality in front of your peers.Move the center of debate to something more current, at the very least."How are videogames evolving as an artfrom?" or "How do videogames compare to non-interactive forms of media in terms of artistic expression?" would be more understandable. At the very least these questions wouldn't make you look like a stubborn, autistic cave-man.
>>54720137See >>54720114
>>54720090dank meme :^)
>>54720225Again: media ceases to be art if it exists for a purpose.Video games exist for competition and fulfillment rather than aesthetic enjoyment.
>>54720225Can you cite 5 videogames which can be compared to the works of the great dramatists, poets, filmmakers, novelists and composers?
>>54720225I thought we were arguing what was a higher art form.
>>54720252Shouldn't you be playing pokemon or call of duty right now ;^)?
>>54720266>media ceases to be art if it exists for a purposeyou are the only one ITT who thinks that
>>54719919see>>54719822
>>54716970Comparing high quality products of each mediumVideo games > Film > Literature > Music = Visual art > DanceComparing the average product of each mediumLiterature > Visual Art > Film > Music > Dance > Video GamesConsumer power rankingsLiterature > Everything else
>>54720315Also academia...
>>54720276Video games are definitely not a higher art form.
>>54720337source
>>54720316Did I ever state I don't like videogames?
>>54720336>Comparing high quality products of each mediumWhat video games compare to Beethoven, Mozart, and Bach?
>>54719919We're living in time when empty canvas, shit Hollywood movies and random effortless noises are considered art yet games which require years to make are not Fuck this gay earth
>>54720376Bad Rats
>>54720376He's not gonna reply
>>54720357Check out the writings of Theodor Adorno.
>>54720376deus exbut no matter what anyone says you're going to just say that they're inferior, despite it being subjective.
>>54720401Do movies not take years to make? Do albums not take years to make?
>>54720401>if it takes a lot of time it MUST be art >>>/reddit/>>>/v/gamergate
>>54720426What about Deus Ex puts it in craftsmanship/excellence comparable to the Eroica Symphony, the 21st Piano Concerto, or the Well Tempered Clavier?Bear in mind that you should be able to explain your opinions...
>>54720014>>54718509Most adventure games and visual novels
>>54720426>>54720410>>54720457Literallly the ultimate neckbeards. /v/ confirmed filled with delusional plebs
>>54720457>Most adventure games and visual novelsHow do they compare in craftsmanship to, say, the Well Tempered Clavier?
>>54720299good double :^)I'm just an [s4s] ambassador friend
There are classes studying music. What about video games?
>>54720211That's just stupid
>>54720457>Most adventure games and visual novelsIs this b8?
>>54720401>muh years of effortenjoy, those guitar heroes spent years on being able to pull the dankest solos the world of metal has ever seenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jgrCKhxE1s
>>54720456what about the eroica symphony, the 21st piano concerto, or the well tempered clavier can compare to deus ex?checkmate athiests.
>>54720266That's retarded By your logic furniture is not art because it has a purpose
>>54716419go back to /v/ faggit
>>54720559This is what /v/ considers an argument.
>>54720268Video games are very young medium with a lot of potential that was unfortunately not fully used
It's distressing to see culturally and musically illiterate teenagers try to rank mediums of art as if what they're doing isn't absurd.
>>54720599Very interesting. Still waiting for them 5 videogames names
>>54716855>being proud of spending copious amounts of time on a Bhutanese rotoscoping board
>>54720598do you not understand that your logic can be reapplied to you?
>>54720493>not thinking Bad Rats is a post-avant masterpiece on the futility of human struggle while maintaining an aesthetic that hinted at the loss of childhoodstay pleb
>>54720559>>>/v/ in a nutshell
>>54720445I was talking about shitty short movies >>54720450Art should take effort, what's the point of art if literally anything can be considered art?
>>54720650Call of DutyHaloBioshockGears of WarHalf Life>Checkmate :^)
If you can show me the "Pendrecki's Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima" of video games then they have all of my respect as an art form. Until then they're just a fun distraction.
>>54720493>>54720502>>54720525Wow you sure refuted him
>>54720673I will now defend my opinion: you will probably mock me baselessly as a result of you resorting to anything to defend your flawed beliefs.The WTC, 21st Piano Concerto, and Eroica Symphony are all works of higher diligence to ART over sensual appeal, higher diligence to CRAFT, higher overall dedication to the specific endeavor.
>>547206816/10 >>54720695>Art should take effort, what's the point of art if literally anything can be considered artAre you serious?
>>54720575>Implying furniture can't be artStay pleb
>>54720734>>>/v/gamergate>>>/reddit/
>>54720760I didn't imply that
>>54720739Absolutely destroyed
I like how /v/ hasn't even listed any games that could be considered art yet.
>>54720817This
many effortssuch detailwow
>>54720739Can you prove this?
>>54720817Bad Rats
>>54720742Are you art has been completely devalued in the last century with all avant garde bullshit, it took skill to write, paint and compose and now every art school dropout calls himself an artist
>>54720817Of course not: they probably think MGS is art for fuck's sake.>>54720874How can you improve the Eb Prelude? Should you add a phrase? Increase the register? No: these would spoil the art. These pieces are improvable.
>>54720739i will now refute your pointdeus ex is a higher work of diligence to art over sensual appeal, higher diligence to craft, higher overall dedication to the specific endeavor than the well tempered clavier, the 21st piano concerto, or the eroica symphony.why? because it is subjective.
>>54720910>improvableUN-improvable.>>54720931See? /v/tards, everybody.
>>54720268>>54720650That's a stupid question Did you even play any? You are saying games are not art only because they are not made for snobs and intellectuals
>>54720888>art has been completely devalued in the last century with all avant garde bullshitConfirmed b8.
>>54720953I will say it gain. We are arguing witch is a HIGHER art form. Not if video games are art or not.
Why do we have to have this argument Anything can have artistic merit and people are free to think which form of art is better
>>54720953>because they are not made for snobs and intellectualsSorry, what? The Rassumovsky quartets were commissioned by people who couldn't even understand them. Lord knows composers had to help the Emperor of Austria to even try and learn basic piano. But he loved the music despite his lack of understanding.You fucking moron.
>>54720817Because they actually don't think so you newfag They hate "art" games llike gone home, bioshock and TLoU, people in this thread are just /v/ rejects from tumblr
>>54720910>muh overly complex stroy
>>54720950i'm sorry to be the one to tell you that art is not objective.
>>54720953I actually play a lot of videogames. Can you now list these fucking 5 videogames which can be grcompared to the great dramatists, poets, filmmakers, novelists and composers of the past?
>>54721028I'm sorry that your best argument is a copy/paste of what I just said.You have to be 18 to browse here, by the way.
Film is art for the lower class, uneducated masses.Literally no brain required, just sit on your ass and watch.Fine art > literature > music > fiction > film > video games
>>54721052good meme
>>54720974Wow you sure refuted me idiot Go jerk off over your avant garde music and how no one understands it
>>54721060Well, it depends on the movie and director. You can't really compare a David Lynch film to a straight to DVD release
>>54721087>Go jerk off over your avant garde music and how no one understands itPlenty of people can understand it. Just because you are ignorant of it doesn't mean that it is uninterpretable.This is like the guy in the other thread saying that, because he only knew Pink Floyd and The Beatles from the chart, WE had poor taste.
>>54721087>Go jerk off over your avant garde music and how no one understands it>I'm a dumb retard who can't understand avant-garde therefore no one can Again, back to >>>/v/ m8
>>54721087Good argument
>>54720980I came here late in this thread Well then games are lower, but mainly because of their fans >>54721043No because that's not their purpose Planescape torment, The Witcher, Half life and Thief might come close
>>54721000Except for videogames.Videogames are as much of an artform as pornography is.It's meant to evoke a very primitive, instinctual feeling that is closer to a physical reaction than mental analysis.Every single video game is about being a winner. There's literally no purpose to any game other than the feeling of winning a competition.What a shitty medium.
>>54721060>Film is art for the lower class, uneducated masses. Literally no brain required, just sit on your ass and watch.Of course! Russian avant-garde movies require no brain at all! Your generalization is quite ignorant but I do agree with your "ranking"
>>547212070/10Please put a trip on so I can filter you.
>>54721219>this whole post
>>54721274Dank meme my friend! You sure show'd him ahah!
>>54721274Show 'em who;s the boss XDDD
>>54719774r9k is the funniest board
>>54721274Is literally everyone from /v/ unable to articulate their opinion without posting memes and/or ignoring completely the point of the discussion?
>>54721129>>54721147>lol random sounds and noises so deep I get you are trying to look deep and patrician by liking objectively shit music, but just stick to old classical which took skill to make
>>54720888of course, because literally everyone can reproduce Gerhard Richter's paintings with no effortfucking idiot
>>54721224Having to decipher the meaning of an art piece doesn't somehow elevate its artistic merit. It's just pointless wankery.Film is brainless because of how it works as a medium and encrypting messages into an inherently primitive medium won't make it any better.
>>54721362>it takes no skill to write the Symphony of Psalmsok kid come back when you are 18
>>54721274ebin :D
>>54721270Why did you even reply you fucktard You clearly have nothing to sax
>>54721362If avant-garde can be considered OBJECTIVELY shit so can videogames. Goodbye faggot.
>>54721362Accusing music of not taking skill to make. hasn't made a single track
>>54721350Sounds a lot like /mu/
>>54721409>tfw nothing to sax
>>54721219Stop being close minded
>>54721444Now you'er just trying to b8 people
>>54721409Because: 1- if you honestly think people consider videogames,together with porn, the lowest art form in existance simply because of its "fanbase" then you're really one hell of a retard. 2-The videogames you've listed are not even close to ANY higher art masterpiece
>>54721389Haha ebin meme friendo >>54721364It still has more value than kids crayon drawing and random colours on the wall
>all these philistines throwing around the term "avant garde music" mindlessly
>>54721473I'm not being close minded. I play video games and /v/ is one of my main boards.But you can't name a single video game that isn't about being at the top of the food chain.There literally isn't any that falls into the accepted definition of a "game".There are games with stories not about winning, but the stories are their own medium and have nothing to do with gameplay.Videogames aren't art.
Lol, /v/ is still trying to convince us that Video Games are a higher art form than Music?
>>54721524>It still has more value than kids crayon drawing and random colours on the wallso mad he doesn't even make sense anymore, that poor /v/irgin
>>54721496Most games are made for kids so that's why people don't consider them mature enough and art Same with cartoons
>>54721654>Most games are made for manchildrenFIFY
>>54721531Modern classical sucks >>54721558Ok I am not even from /v/, I just think games are art because they combine other forms of art and make it interactive
>>54721718Are commercials art?
>>54721681Go away normie
>>54721718I can consider them art (Silent Hill 1 for example) but music is definitely a higher form of art.
>>54721748>what is pop art >>54721763Well I agree with that
>>54721654Animation is actually way higher than videogames.It's an art form that embodies motion in its purest sense and also somewhat close to fine art.But the logistics of it drag it down to about the level of film.Sequential art is somewhat better in that regard.>>54721718Combining doesn't make art.Artwork inside of a video game doesn't increase its merit as a video game.Same way that a film where a masterpiece of fine art is caught in some of the cadres doesn't become a better film.
>>54721793Commercials aren't art. Nothing that serves a commercial purpose can be art.you guys need to read more Adorno
>>54721752I agree with him, but I'm touchless virgin NEETam I still a normie?
>>54721793>What is pop artNot a higher art form by definition, just like videogames
>>54721718>Modern classical suckswow hot opinion
>>54721718Are you sure about that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I13uVL681oo
>>54721889If you're going to post modern classical that isn't shit, at least don't use Philip Glass...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFj9NSh6x90
>>54721825Who cares about some old philosopher Definitions change >>54721827Then you shouldn't bitch about manchildren, especially since many "gamers" have happier and more successful life than you >>54721837It's still art
>>54721943>John Adamsok, you got me you ebin trolle, you can put off your schtick now
>>54721809Most anime and cartoons are dependent on groups they cater to so they have barely any artistic freedom So elements of game like graphics, music and lore are art but the game isn't?
So I guess we can agree that music is a higher form of art than video games?Yes?'Kay, cool.
>>54721952>especially since many "gamers" have happier and more successful life than you You've got some studies or reliable sources to back up your claims or it's just like the whole "videogames can be a higher art form" meme?
>tfw I'm from /v/ and reading this thread Please, not all of us are this stupid
>>54722050>Artistic Freedom>VideogamesPick one m8. The worlds created by electronic games are more like playgrounds where experience is created by the interaction between a player and a programme. The player cannot claim to impose a personal vision of life on the game, while the creator of the game has ceded that responsibility. No one "owns" the game, so there is no artist, and therefore no work of art.
>>54722050That's why I said that the logistics of it drag it down.There's so many people involved in a single animation project and producing one piece is so expensive, barely any artistic vision gets passed down through the process.>So elements of game like graphics, music and lore are art but the game isn't?The gameplay isn't.Because stories and visual aspects and music change from game to game and can deliver different experiences, while the gameplay always remains the same: win.
>>54722103I sure hope so
>>54722146Ok I get what you're saying
>>54721943>John fucking Adamslet me guess, another of your tasteful picks from that eanie meanie mass of modern classical would be Max Richter or someone like that
>>54722240John Adams is at least better than Philip Glass you fucking idiot.I'm dealing with someone who thinks Symphony of Psalms is shit.Granted a person THAT immature usually isn't worth an intellectuals time.
>>54722269>at least better than Philip Glasswow, such an achievementjust be honest with yourself, you like cookie cutter crap and have the taste of petit burgeoisie 40 something hausfrau
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