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nobody has an opinion about this?

>>54507901

almost. nobody cares.

>>54507774
>>54507901
It's really just to match the intensity of the other instruments. If you find it inauthentic you should probably look at the bands you're listening to, rather than the vocal style.

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>>54507774
Yeah, I mean on top of the theatrical and silly aesthetic the screaming and growling is often the try hard icing on the cake that just puts into the realm of super cheese.

It's just so cheesy.

>>54508379
Why are you being confrontational like that. My question was serious cause I'm genuinely curious what Metal fans think about this matter.

>>54508696
You got an answer here >>54508349

Stop trying so hard to bait.

because back in the day before the systematic feminisation of men around the world, tattoos, shouting, and being a "badass" was seen to be cool

as opposed to le ironic skinny wigger mey mey rappers, and being a cuck

Harsh vocals are treated more like another instrument or texture, rather than most clean vocals.

Guitars a generally distorted, think of harsh vocals as vocal distortion.

>>54508904
That is only a partial answer.

>>54508972
>systematic feminisation of men

>>54509032

> 2015

> being ignorant to reality

What metal bands are the equivalents of a math or analytical philosophy professor?

honestly i find nigger music and super chill indie rock to be just as cheesy but in a different way

>>54509015
This.

>>54509021
In a lot of metal cleans wouldn't have the same impact or feeling. Jump to 2:00 on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMxiafweCGI

>>54507774
Yeah, it's often try hard being as "hardcore" as possible crap. Growling without any meanong nor depth whatsoever, overdoing it systematically is pretty ridiculous.
But in many genres, it just compliments the music well, it fits perfectly and much better than what a clean singing would. That's one of the reasons why I love melodic death metal, I think it's perfectly adapted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGJCSxIexh8

>>54508972
Why not just be a stoic and care about the music as oppose to fashion, personal image, haircuts and tatoos...
Nobody is saying you gotta be feminine, just dont a fucking shallow clown.

>>54509055
agreed

>>54509051

Maybe tech death ,or anything that has "progressive" in the sub genre tends to be very technical and wankery. Might be the closest thing to that.

>>54509069
>praising melodeath on /mu/
>praising Dark Tranquility
>at all

You must be new here. Even /metal/ thinks melodeath is for children

>>54509051
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1X0Bejwnko

>>54509055
It's why i mostly cant get into rap as well.

>>54509065
"diSEMBOWELMENT"...

>rolling eyes

>>54509094
>Implying I give a shit about what /metal/ of FIFH think about music I love
>Implying DT isn't GOAT live

>>54509114
Not him, but the band's name has nothing to do with the music. You'd expect very edgy, gorey brutal death metal, when in actuality, diSEMBOWELMENT is a very slow, atmospheric doom metal group with death growls.

>>54509114
One of the most important Australian metal bands. That's the record bands like Mournful Congregation were listening to.

>>54509143
>lol

>>54509114
their name really does their sound no justice.

Screaming and growling is instrumentation in itself. It's supposed to compliment the sound of the genre.

Post good metal bands that dont perpetuate the "metal" image.

>>54509074

because whether you like it or not, music is about the package as a whole, about the aesthetic, about the ideals, and about the politics. That can include the way they look or dress, the imagery, logos or album art.

That applies to all music to some extent.

Your issue is, you just dont like the aesthetic of the scene.

>>54507774
I can explain it in one word bru, catharsis

>>54509203
Altars. They look like the image that comes to mind when someone says "hipster". Then they play that filthy, dense death metal.

>>54509206
Here is what I appreciate.
Bands that focuses on making interesting complex and novel music doing what they needs to do so that album covers and their looks dont interfere with their music as oppose to bands that use their fabricated image to try to augment the appeal of their music.

>>54509154
Anyway, melodeath was just an exemple for illustrating the way I saw the use of screaming and growling in metal, which was the important point in my point, unlike the example I choosed that you focused on rather than the idea itself.
Could have also said regular death metal, or black, or many other genres instead of melodeath

I used to be opposed to harsh vocals and metal image, until I actually started going to live shows to see what it's about.

I now get it. Theatrics and image is a very large thing about metal 'culture', and you can't really judge it until you see it live. Everybody's drunk, having a fucking blast. The energy on stage is superb. The image and stage theatrics add another dynamic to metal shows that you really don't see in most other genres.

>get a fucking bowl of pig's blood dumped on the crowd
>band members breathing fire
>people smashing into eachother

>>54509308
Not that guy, but the diSEMBOWELMENT link summed it up perfectly.

>>54509203

a lot of new metal artists look more like hipsters than stereotypical metalheads, for example pretty much all metalcore, deathcore, death metal, stoner doom and some black metal bands.

for example this picture of "liturgy", look more like hipsters, or indie rockers, than metalheads


http://www.heyreverb.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/4/files/2011/07/Liturgy2.jpg

or bongripper :

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/music/bongripper/emptybottle/1.jpg

So you can see that the "image" is changing

But of course a lot of people will still look like the "stereotypical metal image" since all you need for that is a band shirt and long hair... of course thats going to be common if youre playing that sort of music.

A lot of people like that aesthetic and dont care if some wigger or hipster thinks it doesnt look "eff aye".

>>54509353
Who doesnt like clowns

>>54509032
>being a cuck

>>54507774
I agree OP.

I've always found these sorts of vocals in metal to sound really put on and insecure, as if it were a silly attempt to sound tough and macho.

I tend to think more highly of metal bands that don't resort to this sort of thing.

>>54509268

The way we look and dress is very influential, probably one of the most important things in life.

What music do you listen to ? I guarantee they also follow some aesthetic or fabricated image.

>>54509438
Definitely have a listen to >>54509065

>>54509203
Stop wanting to listen to bands that don't perpetuate the "image" Have some fucking confidence in yourself to like something without being afraid people are going to judge you. Stop trying to have no personality, actually fucking LIKE something different from the norm you dumb faggot

>>54509383
Wigger hipset metalhead..
These are terms for fucking kids.

Metal with an image is just more of the same shit.
Its a cop out. How can people take these bands seriously.
"Look at me im so rebellious and angry(im actually using the system like any other pop band, appealing to a created image that a certain group of people is attracted to).

Where are the stoic anti consumerism anti PR who care only about their music?
True artists, not some sellout, pandering shit.

>>54509473
not him and I would generally agree with you, but I just wanted to point out how hypocritical and ironic your post is

>stop conforming
>conform to this instead

>>54509473

i think you're forgetting that these kind of people just want to fit in with the trendiest crowd and will only listen to, watch or wear something as long as it is meme-approved and kanye west approved

>>54509495
You don't seem to get it. Metal image isn't about how rebellious or angry you are, actual metal image is built around occultism, religion, and sometimes pagan themes. I've heard music critiques compare metal to opera in terms of how vital image and theatrics are to the entire genre.

>>54509473
this is a good post

>>54509535
Don't forget surrealism and mysticism ;^)

>>54509495

>Wigger hipset metalhead..
>These are terms for fucking kids.

wigger /hipster detected

>>54509513
Shut up faggot, my post is solid, agree with it immediately

>>54509473
Projecting much? you cant even fathom what im talking about because you are so knees deep in it.
You are literally standing in the mud thinking your favorite bands are authentic.
These bands are divided into two groups.
1)They build a fake image on purpose, to sell more. They appeal to simple people who dont care(they have resigned to thinking its normal) or dont know they are being manipulated.
2)Bands who have actually assumed this manufactured life style honestly, i.e. the blind leading the blind.

>>54509472
That's okay use of the cookie monster vocals. I don't mind stuff like that when it's used the right way, but metal bands tend to overdo it.

Stuff like the screams used in hardcore punk vocals would be well suited to metal, though in my opinion metalfags tend to use too much vocal fry instead of just straight screaming or singing it.

I agree with what >>54509074
says. I mean shit man, Sabbath didn't do this stuff and they were still cool without going overboard.

>>54507774
>not a song that is being sung but some matter of life and death
that's around about the intensity quite a few metal bands go for.

the theatrical part is on purpose. it's not meant to be taken as intellectual or sophisticated, although it often can be. but at the core of it all is a feeling. usually aggressive, intense and destructive in nature. hence a lot of bands use destructive/evil mythological beings and iconography to match the theme/sound of the music

>>54509495
Stop not being rebellious and angry. Stop justify taking it up the ass from everyone and being a fucking cuck

>>54509514
You completely misunderstood where im coming from.

>>54509074
why does anyone in any musical scene wear the shit they wear? (and also have a tendency to overdo it)

>>54509581
Not him, but how much do you actually know about metal image?

The bands who defined modern, extreme metal image were very anti-mainstream. The point of black metal and death metal image was to scare off normies and attract a niche crowd.

Your post just screams this: Watching something from the distance without getting involved, without actually understanding what's going on. You think somethings about ____ but it's not.

>>54509623
anti-mainstream, anti-commercialism, and anti-establishment*

>>54509581

Every band who releases music is just trying to gain and audience or get people to listen.

They are all pandering to someone.

They all copied someone else or another persons idea.

Everything has been done before.

You dont like tattoos.. okay.. you dont like girls wearing metallica t shirts ? Fine... but dont act like you're the most special snowflake of all because you choose to wear a plaid shirt, grow a mustache and listen to death grips

>>54509616
You're not me, >>54509514 that is not me, stop pretending to be me, >>54509616

i prefer music that isnt very angry and everyone is more relaxed, without the cheesy aesthetic where image is important such as pic related

>>54509581
>They build a fake image on purpose, to sell more.
Pffft

>>54509583

black sabbath didnt sing conventionally and they also had a very stereotypical "rock" image. Ozzy bit off the head of birds on stage.

>>54509583
It's probably worth remembering that band was around I'm 89'. Well ahead of most bands using that vocal style.

My favorite use of screaming is still this album.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J32tqYe1XuM

>>54509665
>Ozzy bit off the head of birds on stage
>bit off the head of birds on stafe
>head of birds
>birds

Jesus christ I share a board with these clueless plebs.

>>54509659

> le ironic cat t shirt

> le ironic hipster look

this is even more cancer than the wannabe tough guy image

>>54509032
I'm not even going to get involved in whatever convo is taking place between you and whoever, but fuck me the 'look at these charts' bit in that image is the funniest shit ever.

>>54509681

he bit off the head of a bat, and then of a dove

>>54509055
i have this issue with hip hop mostly. i can deal with cheese when there's something underpinning it, but hip hop too often boils down to a beat and people talking over it. it's like it's 100% attitude on a (usually simple) beat

>>54509623
Well, all i see are bands using all that and being a part of it.
You can be anti all those with your music and lyrics man.
If you got brains you know that looks(despite it being a cliche) are unimportant, what matters to people smart enough to be above all that is your honest craft, your music.

>>54509720
Most metal lyrics tend to follow a similar meter as well, I think it happens when you divorce melody from songwriting.

>>54509708
the bat was because he thought it was a rubber bat, and the dove was in front of music executives because he was wacked out of his mind on drugs.

>>54509738
That's a lie though. Even some of the most complex, and creative metal groups who focus on their music above image will tell you that image is still an essential part of the genre.

That's like saying theatrics in classical, opera, and the such are pointless. Image is a very essential part of plenty of genres.

Here's some good metal with cleans and harsh vocals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChCTWgosPAA

>>54509665
Led Zep did shit like that too, it's what all the major rock bands did.

Rock music is not about tattoos and fashion, it's about playing awesome music, drinking, and fucking shit up. Everything else is ancillary.

>>54509583
>Stuff like the screams used in hardcore punk vocals would be well suited to metal
Have a listen to Dystopia.

There's also pretty much a whole genre of that, D-Beat.

>>54509495
i think you're confused anon, maybe your thinking of punk?

>>54509642
meme spouting.
Sure a band releases music cause it wants to share it with others but they can use only their skill and talent to do so as oppose to relying on manipulations.
I want to appreciate the music, not their ability to know whats in vogue.

How about a band that just makes music without any apologizing and hopes some peopel like it as oppose to resorting to infentile shit like fashion, make up, hair styles etc..
Or maybe all metal band members just like long hair and tattoos, its just a coincidence right.

>>54509674
>My favorite use of screaming is still this album.

One of my favorite albums.

It's just a raw expression of human emotion, it's impossible to explain to someone who doesn't get it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gUcnUjhRX0

>>54509772

whats your point ? I said he bit off the heads of birds, and thats what he did.

>>54509849
>One of my favorite albums.
I'll second that.

>>54509783
Your comparison is false though, that's the problem.
Opera and theater is specifically about imitation. It is about portraying other people.
This is why you need costumes and make up, because most of the time you are trying to be someone from a specific time or place.
All these metal bands are trying to imitate is the appropriate image they need to have to fit in with what metal band members should look like at any particular time.

BY THE POWERS OF NAUGHTINESS, I COMMAND THIS THREAD TO BE really, REALLY KVLT

>>54509871
>bat
>bird

>>54509783
Well, maybe it says something about metal in general.

>>54509907
Not that guy, but I'm going to say you're half right.

I'm into metal, long hair, no tattoos, etc. Imagery isn't that important at times. Your music should speak for itself, imagery is fine as well, but it can't be a crutch for poor writing.

The problem is a lot of bands don't get that, or take themselves too seriously.

>>54509811

it also takes a lot of skill and talent to create a succesful and popular image or aesthetic, which is the number one reason why most people cant get a real audience to their music.

They dont know how to capture anyones attention. They think they can make it purely on "talent" in a world that was always based on looks , aesthetics and image. For every genre.

I can understand how people would think the edginess in metal is try hard. I just think it's fun. I don't think there's a single metal band I take seriously, I just listen to metal because I enjoy it.

>>54509938

> dove

> not a bird

>>54509907
It's not about fitting in with other bands. The point is, like theater and opera, metal is also a genre heavily built around image.

You really wouldn't understand unless you've been to a live metal show, though. It's a completely different experience than most other genre live concerts, which is why there's a large appeal.

Bands focus on their sound in albums, whereas live metal shows are less about the sound and music, and more about stage theatrics.

You have bands that breathe fucking fire above the crowd, people brawling in the crowd, you have glass being shattered, actual animal's blood being poured in the crowd. You have stage theatrics where band members even put themselves on inverted crosses upside down. Bands drawing pentagrams in oil and then lighting it aflame. People getting their faces smashed while still having a great time.

You won't understand how important, or essential metal image and stage theatrics is until you've experienced a live show.

Metal bands focus most of their music ability into their albums, and care less about their music, and more about entertaining their crowd in live performances. That's the way metal's been since the 70s.

>>54510035
>bit the head off birds
>BIRDS
>S

>>54510005
Well If I want to admire someone's skill at PR or branding I'll fucking worship Steve Jobs.

>>54509770
>metal lyrics
see, that's the thing, i dgaf about lyrical content. if i wanted that i'd read poetry or essays. imo i should be able to tell what the artist was feeling just by the sound of the music

>>54510061
Well, we are not arguing anymore. I think we just agreed, the only difference is you dont mind while I do.

>>54510061
That's live shows in general. That's exactly what anyone would expect when they buy a ticket, they're going to see a show. So artists make sure they're putting on one.

>>54507774
>The long hair, the obligatory tattoos, the "I'm a total badass" or "Satan worshiper" image..
That's what Americans think.

>>54510061
>Metal bands focus most of their music ability into their albums, and care less about their music, and more about entertaining their crowd in live performances. That's the way metal's been since the 70s.
I'm not sure who you've been listening too, but this is wrong. The performance quality will always still be directly related to how well you play. You can do whatever theatrics you want, but not at the expense of your musical performance.

>>54510123
Exactly. It's just that metal generally takes "live shows" to higher extremes than most other genres.

>>54509803
damn. that sounds like some santana with hardcore screaming over it.

>>54510061
>You have bands that breathe fucking fire above the crowd, people brawling in the crowd, you have glass being shattered, actual animal's blood being poured in the crowd. You have stage theatrics where band members even put themselves on inverted crosses upside down. Bands drawing pentagrams in oil and then lighting it aflame. People getting their faces smashed while still having a great time.
Yeah... 100% of metal concerts that aren't Gorgoroth don't do this.

>>54510017
As i said these sort of people dont even think its "try hard" they just know its "unfashionable".

Punk is very "fashionable" music to the queers and fashionistias

same with Rap music, Indie, meme-core etc

That's why even if they like the metal, they're too scared to look "unfashionable", because metal has never been something for "cool /eff aye/ model fashionistas" to listen to .

>>54510137
Except for the "Satan Worshipper," image, the super try hard culture of BM included, comes from Europe so I wouldn't be so smug Yuropoor.

>>54510064
there were 2 doves you spastic

>>54510141
A lot of metal theatrics won't allow you to play to your best skill, though. Most metal members acknowledge this. You can't really play guitar to the best of your ability if you're being taped upside down to an inverted cross.

Take bands like Sigh for example. They sound incredible on their albums, but live they cut down on a lot of their music just to entertain the crowd by bathing in blood, breathing fire, etc.

It's a live SHOW. Most metal fans will even tell you a life performance and live show is less about the music, and more about the experience.

>>54510182
Pretty sure Amon Amarth tours with a fucking Viking ship and a troupe of actors in costume fighting on stage, as well as groups like King Diamond or Behemoth being super theatrical too.

>>54510240
this. This is why bands like Gwar get a lot of praise too. Most Gwar fans will tell you the music is lacking but they're incredibly fun live.

>>54510068

if you want to look at it that way, everything you consume and enjoy is just a product thats been succesfully marketed towards you

>>54510221

>>54510240
This. I've found that how attached I am to a band will either decrease or increase after I've seen them live depending on how well they preform. I'm a huge fan of Tribulation, not necessarily because of their music, but because they left me with such a huge lasting impression after I saw them live.

>>54510240
>>>54510141 (You)
>A lot of metal theatrics won't allow you to play to your best skill, though. Most metal members acknowledge this. You can't really play guitar to the best of your ability if you're being taped upside down to an inverted cross.
Again, it depends who you're listening too. I've done big tours and associated with a lot of bands. The music has always come first. No one actually does that besides modern black metal bands by the way.

>Take bands like Sigh for example.
Sigh isn't a good example. They're a complete curve ball musically as well.

>It's a live SHOW. Most metal fans will even tell you a life performance and live show is less about the music, and more about the experience.
The scene in this country will drop your band if you don't cut it live musically. Coroner is absolutely hated after their pathetic display last year at one of the bigger underground festivals.

>>54510322
It depends on where you go to, but in my experience, a lot of metalheads will tell you that if they want quality music, they'll listen to albums, and if they want quality performance, they'll go to live shows.

>>54510322
Let me expand on this and say it isn't always true. As someone mentioned before GWAR is a performance live, despite the fact Dave generally just yelled vague noises.

As a generalization though, the musical performance comes first.

>>54510322
I think these posts were written under the assumption that the bands in whatever scenario would all play at least decently. It's pretty much expected by people that pro musicians will play well, and that's always the base ground rule of playing live. "Make sure we don't suck dick,"
I think it's more discussion about the finer details of playing vs preforming.

>>54510378
>discussion about the finer details of playing vs preforming

well you can't do that for an entire genre. that requires specific names, fire some off

>>54510378
Ah, alright no. I'll give you that then.

Bands can lose me if they all stand there staring at the fret boards listening to a click track.

>>54510192
>try hard culture
What culture is not "tryhard"? Fucking sluggish hipster mouthbreathers?

>discussion about how people don't like things in metal
>everything is civilized on both standpoints

Holy shit

>>54509203
Most prog and post metal bands

>>54510137
That feel when in a metal band but had to cut my hair for work :( whatever, lots of great bands with peeps with short hair. Coltsblood from England is great.

>>54510555
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hih1IoyuYEY

>>54507774

Metal IS theatrical, histrionic, exaggerated, and childish. Aspects of it like growling are a part of that. It's like pro wrestling to an extent. You have to buy into the illusion in order to enjoy it. That doesn't mean you actually believe they are Satan worshippers or whatever, you maintain awareness, but you are willing to stop distancing yourself from the band/music/performance in order to enjoy it to the fullest. Metal is often music intended to make you feel badass, strong, dark, mysterious, sad, or whatever, in a similar way to gangsta rap, pop-punk, brostep, whatever.

That doesn't mean that there isn't avant garde, serious, boundary-pushing, intentionally artistic metal, because there's lots of it, but it's possible to enjoy metal in general without being a neckbeard fuck. You just need to understand that everyone's playing a bit.

>>54510629
This. Most metal bands are just playing/putting on a show, they're not actual satanists or edgelords.

Even the first few black metal bands who popularized Corpse Paint said it was a gimmick and didn't know it would catch on.

As someone who does not enjoy metal let me summarize what most metal fans here seem to be saying:
Metal bands have a flamboyent image to entertain in live shows. They perform live and create interesting spectacles.
They perform a certain way and look a certain way for their performances to fit the music they are playing.
The music they are playing includes a lot of emotional screaming and loud and harsh sounding music so they dress the bill and try to look mean for the live performance to be impressive and fitting.

1)People who will enjoy metal are just angrier or more emotional or require some sort of emotional release and I'm just not that cert of person.
or
2)metal fans are not in fact particularly any of the above, they just enjoy being part of an image of someone who enjoys angry sounding music.
and
3)some metal fans just really enjoy the live theatrics and dont really care primarily about the music, its ok, and that suits them as long as they can enjoy the cool performances on stage.

>>54510673
I just like heavy sounding music.

Some metal does it for me, other metal doesn't. It's all about the instrumentation for me.

>>54510673
I dont enjoy masses of people, I dont enjoy live concerts.
I almost exclusively care about music being interesting and novel while the entire genre of metal seems to revolve around this pretense and theatrics.
The music itself and the vocals revolve around the theatrical aspects. The music makes a lot less sense without the theatrics and the theatrics make a lot less sense without the music.

I can understand how people enjoy it but my personality just wont allow me to enjoy such a genre of music.
I want to enjoy music for and because of itself and this seems very hard with metal.

>>54510786
Yeah, to me it sounds too emotional. I mean you can only tackle certain topics unironically when you are growling and screaming at the top of your lungs.

>>54511001
By the way, this is why I do enjoy metal songs where the vocals dont mean anything, when they are used purely for their sonic features.

>>54510828
I am the exact same as you, I'm an introvert and don't care about concerts or image at all, but I like metal. I generally don't like straight up "brootal" metal like death or black, I prefer it to be more focused on melody but still keeping the aggressiveness. There is a subgenre of metal for everyone, believe me. Try getting into progressive metal.

I don't know if Ne obliviscaris is too "heavy" for someone new to the genre but I think they are the pinnacle of prog metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KM1_nV5Ayk

>>54511001
>I mean you can only tackle certain topics unironically when you are growling and screaming at the top of your lungs.

I usually don't listen to that sort of metal, just slow, heavy, downtuned stuff and drone metal mostly, black metal is kind of where I draw the line.

>>54511076
>Well I am familiar with prog metal bands like Dream theater, tool etc...
Funny enough, I enjoy their music but not their vocals.

>>54511237
Harsh vocals are just something that grow on you over time, if you let them. Try to look at them like another instrument and not weird singing.

>>54511076
Same guy.
I listened to Ne obliviscaris but again, like with Dream theater I cant stand the vocals.
I recently Listened to Urfaust and I like them cause the vocals are used as an instrument.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy4I6pxMefY

>>54511303
Its me.
Prog metal bands dot have harsh vocals..
I did listen to metal at some point, its not like I never gave it a try.
I liked early in flames, I liked Strapping young lad. I tried enjoying metal.

again though I do enjoy when the vocals are actually used as an instrument and dont have any lyrics.

>>54511237
>t their vocals
Yeah, Labrie is probably one of the most hated singers out there. I didn't like them at first and it's often the part with them I like less, but I learned not to being pushed back by them , and the man impressed the fuck out of me every time I saw them live

>>54510137

>implying Varg doesn't hate the metal scene

I can 100% guarantee he'd agree with that statement.