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Don't play dumb you privileged sack of shit.

holy shit stop making new threads you idiots

>>54403656
>privileged
nice cuck

but who is it?

if they want to murder white people go ahead, but then realize who the real racists are.

Wow, America is complex as fuck

>>54403571
I got a question:
Do you guys skip the Tupac talk at the end of the album?

>>54403571
>>54403571
Isn't that a 2Pac interview from the 90's? Yeah, last time a riot happened I think they burned down a Dominoes Pizza joint and that was it.

"They" also known as "The Man", "The Corporations", "Illuminati", etc. Any of those buzzwords that liberals throw out in reference to a fake, evil entity that is the cause of all the problems in the world. They create this imaginary dream world to give them something to complain about to make them seem like more interesting people, when in reality, all their faults can be traced back to themselves.

>>54403762
No

>>54403656

I'm sorry?

How rude...

>>54403571
>Who is "America" supposed to represent in this context?
>Who are the "niggas" going to murder?
the powers that be

>Who is the enemy killing Kendrick and his "homies"?
The enemy is disunity and his homies are his fellow black Americans.

Hope that helped.

>>54403672

All the other threads are unfocused shitfests, I wanted to discuss a specific point in the album which I think is very important.

>>54403571
Didn't a negro just kill 2 cops in ferguson?

Shit's gonna go down next time

I think Kendrick has a future in producing tbh. The mofo composed These Walls Hood Politics, and Mortal Man. And he produced How Much A Dollar Cost and You Ain't Gotta Lie himself with Dre's software. If you had heard the full collection of beats he did with Dre for the album, you would cream. He sounds exactly like Dre did and he doesn't even realize how good he is. He just wanted full control over the album and ended up taking a lot of it in his hands. He's currently producing for Jay Rock's album but I have no clue if he's actually gonna make it on there. I have a zip folder full of beats he never put on To Pimp A Butterfly and I might end up asking him to let me use one, it's all just so fucking good. He changed his "producer" name to some stupid shit. I Am The Dragon was what it was last time I checked but I think he changed it when he realized how stupid it sounded (LoveDragon also sounds fucking stupid but I ain't gonna diss my boy and his skills on the mic and his skills on production). He also mixed a lot of the album himself and for the most part spent a lot of time with Dre, Ali, and Samson while they were mixing the album, constantly leaning over their shoulders telling them what to do. He mixed u himself, that's something I'm sure of. Most of the personal tracks, like u, Hood Politics or How Much A Dollar Cost, that truly reflect how he was feeling, had more involvement in, to the point where he barely let anyone get involved besides to clean up and produce the tracks he had composed. Eventually nothing the producers sent him ended up matching what he wanted so he got Dre to help him out. It's like how Eminem became a producer. He had this one track called Fatal Mistake about him traveling to Compton and realizing that his old gang was all either murdered or grew resentment against him, and his guilt that he was never there to save then, and it's the best fucking track I've heard from him hands down. The production was so good I can't even describe it.

>>54403842

>the powers that be

That's pretty vague. Might as well say "The Jews"!

>The enemy is disunity and his homies are his fellow black Americans.

They have to unify to fight disunity? Doesn't really make sense.

BOO BOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! xP

>>54403788
you know what's funny, I thought those were all republican/conservative buzzwords.

>>54403966
>They have to unify to fight disunity? Doesn't really make sense.

Stop acting like a fucking retard and read the line again

>>54403656
>privileged

That's it. /mu/ is a lost cause.

>>54403762
No

LEHMEH AXE U A QUACKSTON

>>54403887
doesn't matter you're still shitting up the board

your idea wasn't worthy of its own thread, not when there are already 7998798 other threads about the same album in the catalog

>>54403571
America is obviously the faceless face of racism, as it is corporatized, administrated, bureacracized. Present in the institutions. Racism in america is systematic and hidden. A dude in the KKK in some hicktown Nowhere,USA is not racism. Racism are laws on the books that directly target minorities in ways which are intended to be subtle and undetectable.

The enemy is this entity that is everywhere to be found and nowhere to be seen all at the same time.

>>54403842
so his enemy are his fellow black americans...

>>54403966
>That's pretty vague. Might as well say "The Jews"!
I'm just clarifying what I think to be Tupac's point of view, so you can take that up with him. Things like racism and institutionalized oppression are vague, faceless entities, but people still perceive them.

>They have to unify to fight disunity? Doesn't really make sense.
I can't tell if this is troll or if you just didn't understand what I said.

>>54404036

>If I respect you, we unify and stop the enemy from killing us

If the enemy is "disunity", then he is basically saying "we have to unify to stop disunity". Its simple substitution.

>>54404083
you're oversimplifying

>>54404113
Disunity is what's killing them. They unify to stop dying. What don't you get?

>>54403571
Tupac is making the observation that there is racial tension in America and that if the status quo continues, the situation is going to get worse, possibly resulting in violence. He's not advocating violence, he's just saying that people are feeling pushed into a corner and some one eventually is going to lash out (cops killed in NY, cops shot at in Ferguson).

The enemy killing Kendrick and his homies is the institutional racism in America (for example, how cops in Ferguson were/are targeting minorities to raise money). Kendrick is saying that gangs and black on black violence are distracting people from the real enemy (racism and ignorance).

You're welcome, OP

read a book

>>54404071

>corporatized, administrated, bureacracized

The only laws concerning race are affirmative action laws that benefit minorities. Systemic racism is a conspiracy theory.

Another cool thing I noticed about this last section was how well the caterpillar/butterfly metaphor pertained to 2Pac himself. 2Pac had that beautiful butterfly inside of him but "couldn't see past his own thoughts" as described in the poem. The thug life mentality was his cocoon and it ultimately lead to his early demise. I love that Kendrick simultaneously takes time to idolize 2Pac and point out the flaws that lead to his downfall. It's very appropriate that when he finishes that poem, 2Pac is no longer there. God, this album was brilliant.

>>54404200

It doesn't make sense to personify the abstract concept of disunity as "the enemy". "Enemy" implies that it is an outside force killing them, and your interpretation suggests that it is their own fault. The line itself just doesn't make sense that way.

>>54404261 this guy seems to disagree with you.

>>54404454
It's crazy to me that you can't wrap your head around this.

>>54404261 has a perfectly valid interpretation as well. There's more than one way to interpret a piece of art.

>>54404522

And I disagree with your interpretation. I happen to find his much more likely and believable.

He's not talking about white people like you.

>>54404584
You don't have to agree. It's just the fact that you don't seem to understand it which is bewildering. It's really not high concept stuff. Disunity in the black community is an enemy to the black community. This whole album preaches black love and black unity.

why are all the responses to this thread so hostile? fucking assholes

Fuck your ethnicity

>>54403718
you're an idiot

>>54404303
What are stop and frisk policies?
What are broken window policies?

>>54404646
different guy here

i don't fucking see what you don't understand, you stupid fuck. he's saying "the enemy" implies that it's a third party bringing them down, not a problem among themselves as you're saying. hes fucking questioning your stupid fucking "interpretation" you fucking dunce. why don't you fucking kill yourself?

>>54404647
/mu/'s been more angry than usual today.

>>54404083
Well, no, there is no tangible enemy. He's blaming social divisions, not the people on the other side of the divide.

>>54404719
probably because nobody robbed that record store

>>54404303
>affirmative action laws
Such as?

>>54404699
having a bad day? wanna talk about it?

>>54403966
>They have to unify to fight disunity? Doesn't really make sense.
I'm no logician, but are you sure it doesn't?

>>54404786
no, that guy was just being such an arrogant cunt. i needed to help the other guy out.

>>54403932
whats this from?

>>54403932
>I think Kendrick has a future in producing tbh. The mofo composed These Walls Hood Politics, and Mortal Man. And he produced How Much A Dollar Cost and You Ain't Gotta Lie himself with Dre's software. If you had heard the full collection of beats he did with Dre for the album, you would cream. He sounds exactly like Dre did and he doesn't even realize how good he is. He just wanted full control over the album and ended up taking
W-wair what
Is this real
I know kendrick is more invovled in the production of his albums than people think but this sounds fake.

>>54404845
I don't think you succeeded, bud. Nobody is going to take a statement with that many mentions of the word "fuck" and that many personal insults seriously. People will just see you as an inarticulate dumbass who can't express himself in an open discussion with even the slightest semblance of civility. Not the kind of ally "the other guy" would want, imo.

P.S. I'm the arrogant cunt, and so is >>54404786

>>54403571
>wordswordswordswordswords
>over any album's lyrics, let alone hip hop
STOP

>>54404821

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action_in_the_United_States#Legal_history

>>54404689

pic related

>>54403571
make it stop

>>54403762
Is this a new meme?

>>54405271
>Source: NYPD
Cops would never make shit up to cover their asses, right?

>>54405271
fuck you im not reading that. whats your point?

>>54405251

I'm the "other guy", and while I dont talk that way myself, I wouldn't dismiss what someone is saying just because they do. At that point you're just being pretentious. How can you even listen to TPAB (not to mention 90% of Hip Hop) with that mentality? I mean, just look at the Tupac interview we are discussing.

>nigga
>muthafucka
>shit

>>54405418

I-Illuminati keeping me down and forcing me to live a bad life. It's n-not my fault!

>>54403571
Simple. Whites.

>>54405433
you are dumb if you don't think people act for their own interests, including cops.

>>54405433
>TYOOL 2015
>trusting the police

>>54405418

You should read the article the image is from.
http://www.city-journal.org/2010/eon0514hm.html

They are clearly not covering their asses well enough if they admit that they stop and frisk more blacks than any other race. This graph is simply showing that despite being stopped more, blacks are still stopped less than they should be in proportion to the amount of crime they commit.

>its just cops covering their asses

I'll say it again, systemic racism is a conspiracy theory.

>>54404647
/mu/'s been more invaded by /pol/ and /tv/ lately, you mean.

>>54404890
Probz from Flylo

>>54404719
/mu/ is being invaded by /pol/ cuckfags

>>54405425
>while I dont talk that way myself, I wouldn't dismiss what someone is saying just because they do
that's on you, then. I'm of a different mentality.

>pretentious
>theresthatwordagain.jpg
It's pretentious to see a statement like that as being juvenile, low-minded and not worth serious consideration? How?

>comparing use of profanity in music and use of profanity in the discussion of music.. or anything really
>apples and oranges
You're reaching.

>>54404647
since TPAB dropped there has been lots of politics to discuss here, so /pol/ comes to bitch.

I keep hearing about white guilt in this album which puts me off of it. What exactly in the album is pissing everyone off so much?

>>54405563
It's actually /v/.
If you see someone jumping to someone else's throat rightaway it's always /v/ermin.
/pol/acks are arrogant as fuck an /tv/ shitters are smug and condescending.

I have to wonder how much perceived "racism" is the result of insults directed at someones race.

For example, if a Chinese guy cuts me off I might call him a chink, but it doesn't mean I think all Chinese people are inferior. I am just using the best insult I can think of in the heat of the moment.

I can imagine someone getting pissed off for whatever reason and calling a black person a nigger, irrespective of any sort of racist belief. Of course the black person can't possibly know your true intention and simply thinks you are a closet racist.

Reminds me of this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3h6es6zh1c

>>54405628
/mu/'s favorite youtube music reviewer gave it a 10/10 almost purely out of white guilt

yall niggas is dumb

the enemy isnt da wide man

it refers to the duality of the human condition, and in this case refers to the black people that always resort to violence and kill police and loot stores.

>Who are the "niggas" going to murder?
Themselves.

>>54405640

and you're the biggest fag ive seen recently

so much fuck coming out of your mouth

>>54405620
you are missing the point of the statement if you get hung up on the words used.

>>54405420

The point is.......black males make up 6% (yes six) of the US population BUT COMMIT 53% OF MURDERS !!!

OF FUCKING COURSE THEY GET STOPPED MORE !!!!!!

>The higher the crime in the area, the more cops assigned

>the more cops asigned, the more stops, confrontations etc

IT ISN'T FUCKING ROCKET SCIENCE

>>54405680
Yeah, not at all because it's an amazing album

You just keep pushing that racist agenda.

>>54404330
holy shit i didn't realize this.

>>54405620

But the profanity wasn't part of the music, it was part of the Tupac interview.

>>54405540
>City Journal
>Published by the Manhattan Institute
SURE IS UNBIASED IN HERE

>>54405692
It's true though.

>make an album that is supposed to be a wake up call to the black people of america
>put no bangers in it so it won't even catch the attention amongst the black people who need to hear its message the most
bravo kendrick

>>54405628
basically a large part of the album looks at racism. Apparently this causes socially conscious white people to feel bad about criticising the album for fear of it coming across as KKK members.

>>54405540
>systemic racism is a conspiracy theory

said the beneficiary white man/woman.

>>54405730

Lol that's probably the only article I have ever read from cityjournal.com and the first I have heard of "The Manhattan Institute".

If there is anything in that article that is wrong then I would really like to know what and why, no joke.

>Here are the crime data that the Times doesn’t want its readers to know: blacks committed 66 percent of all violent crimes in the first half of 2009 (though they were only 55 percent of all stops and only 23 percent of the city’s population). Blacks committed 80 percent of all shootings in the first half of 2009. Together, blacks and Hispanics committed 98 percent of all shootings. Blacks committed nearly 70 percent of all robberies. Whites, by contrast, committed 5 percent of all violent crimes in the first half of 2009, though they are 35 percent of the city’s population (and were 10 percent of all stops). They committed 1.8 percent of all shootings and less than 5 percent of all robberies. The face of violent crime in New York, in other words, like in every other large American city, is almost exclusively black and brown. Any given violent crime is 13 times more likely to be committed by a black than by a white perpetrator—a fact that would have been useful to include in the Times’s lead, which stated that “Blacks and Latinos were nine times as likely as whites to be stopped.” These crime data are not some artifact that the police devise out of their skewed racial mindset. They are what the victims of those crimes—the vast majority of whom are minority themselves—report to the police.

no bangerinos

>>54405680
on my first listen i would have given a 10/10 too, but after sleeping on it its probably a 9.
point is it's almost objectively good, and so his 10 seems reasonable.

>>54404028
That just means you're retarded.

>>54405797

>if the album doesnt have bangers than black people wont pay attention to it
>mfw its probably true

>makes an album to unite niggers against the white man
>only white cuckboys listen to it

>>54405682
this

>>54405854
oh fuck i just noticed

there are butterflies on that guy laying on the ground

there's like 2 of them laying on his head

>>54404821
lmao

>>54405693
I agree, but there are limits, man.

>>54405695
Stopping black people disproportionately, regardless of the reason, is still racism by definition and I think that's what the conversation is about.

>>54405720
I know, right! It really clicked on my second listen. I love how at first, it seems he is presenting this work to his idol and looking for approval, like "hey, look. I'm doing your legacy justice." Then the tone turns and he points out Pac's fatal flaw and it's like a student becoming the teacher moment in a sense and then Pac not being there to respond is the icing on the cake.

>>54405420

raise your kids properly so they aren't murdering cunts turning your area into a drug ridden shit hole

=less crime in your area

=less cops assigned to your area

= less stops and searches, shoot-outs with cops etc

>>54405854

>says the Hispanic immigrant
ftfy

>>54404071
>>54404303

Crack and violent theft should be legal! Blacks are genetically predisposed to loving crack, theft and violence!

>>54406001
>Stopping black people disproportionately, regardless of the reason, is still racism by definition
how is it fucking racism if black people factually commit much more crimes than other ethnicities

>>54406005
oh i see its just the way they raise their kids, ok.

>>54406059
Oh man this b8.

>>54406046
>says the uncle tom
ftfy2

hows the white man dick taste like?

>>54403788
>tfw you realize "the liberals" are YOUR mindless buzzword scapegoat

>>54406059
ill bite.

because it is treating people differently based on their skin colour.

>>54406001

>Stopping black people disproportionately

Are you some kind of idiot?? Do you know how policing works???

You put maximum resources into areas where the highest murder rates are, which is black areas.

With more cops in those areas, there will obviously be more stops and confrontations.

It's up to the area itself to lower its crime so the cops won't have to be there in such big numbers.

>>54406059
Regardless of the reason, it's still prejudice on the basis of race.

captcha: memer ... what does this mean, guys?

>>54406059
get the fuck out, asshole. Did it ever occur to you that the real world is bit more nuanced than that? That maybe people who are denied resources like a stable family or education might be more likely to engage in criminal activity, that it has absolutely nothing to do with the amount of melanin in your skin?

it's easy to say you're just a fucking troll, but people actually think like you and that is fucked up

>>54406001

>Stopping black people disproportionately, regardless of the reason, is still racism by definition and I think that's what the conversation is about.

You have to realize that minorities tend to live together. If cops have to spend more time in minority areas, there's is going to be of every sort of police related activity in minority areas, good or bad. Its not like cops are scanning down a street for that one black guy to stop in a street filled with whites. They are just more likely to get called (by other minorities mind you) to areas filled with minorities. Is there some sort of study connecting crime levels to donut sales I wonder?

>>54406099
>cops are asked to stop people more often in high crime areas
>high crime areas happen to have a lot of minorities
>iz da wiat mangs fault
If it was up to me we'd stop and frisk more people on wall street too but that wouldn't accomplish much.

>>54406001
The police should stop elderly rich white people just as much as they stop young, loud, visibly intoxicated blacks that are wearing thug clothing and listening to music that glorifies crime just to be politically correct.

>>54406170
look at you excusing criminals with the same old "wahh they had it hard growing up" tirade

also, who is the agent denying the stable family and education from these people?

>>54406125

Much better than Fidels.

Or do you think there has ever been a man without a master?

>>54406087

You say this like it's a joke.

>>54406125
>using the term "uncle tom"

all minorities should commit crimes and cause problems right...

>>54406163

So let me get this right. 6% of the US population (black males) is responsible for most murders in the US......but cops should police ignore that evidence when making policing decisions.

It's not like cops ever use evidence for poicing or anything.

TOP FUCKING KEK

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>54406087
A lot of it is how they raise their kids.

>>54406163
And despite the cries from effeminate liberal faggots, it's very effective and shockingly accurate.

>>54403685
can someone please explain this cuck shit

>>54406279
it's pretty fucking sad honestly, black people shun other black peole who are actually integrating well into the society by calling them uncle toms and other similar terms

>>54406257
when's the next klan meeting?

>>54406372
nice meme reply

>>54406324
your missing the point.
something is racist if it is making judgments based on race. simple.
so you have to admit that that strategy you are defending is racist by definition. is that a bad thing? you decide

>>54406353
>black people shun other black people
we're on 4chan m8

this is white people calling minorities uncle toms

which is literally cringe worthy

>>54406389
No I'm seriously asking, am I in the wrong place?

>>54406271
Purposefully acting blind and ignoring the current (and past) circumstances does not mean they dont exist. The lesser of two evils is still evil.

>>54406279
Because that's what I fucking said, dip shit.

>>54406353
>implying i'm black

nice prejudice thought.

>>54406372

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JLlLsRwXOI

-No, you do not pass judgment
because you sympathize with them
A deprived childhood
and a homicide really isn't
necessarily a homicide, right?
The only thing you can blame
is circumstances
Rapists and murderers
may be the victims
according to you, but
l call them dogs
and if they're lapping up
their own vomit
the only way to stop them
is with the lash

-But dogs only obey their own nature
So why shouldn't we forgive them?

-Dogs can be taught
many useful things
but not if we forgive them every time
they obey their own nature

-l'm arrogant because
l forgive people?

-My God
Can't you see how condescending
you are when you say that?
You have this preconceived notion
that nobody, listen
that nobody can't possibly attain
the same high
ethical standards as you
so you exonerate them
l can not think of anything
more arrogant than that
You, my child...
my dear child
you forgive others with excuses
that you would never in the world
permit for yourself

-Why shouldn't l be merciful?
Why?

-No, no, no You should,
you should be merciful
when there is time to be merciful
But you must maintain
your own standard
You owe them that
The penalty you deserve
for your transgressions
they deserve
for their transgressions

- they are human beings

- No, no, no
Does every human being need to be
accountable for their actions?
Of course they do
But you don't even give them
that chance
And that is extremely arrogant
l love you, l love you
l love you to death.
But you are the most
arrogant person l have ever met

>>54406346

pretty much /pol/ and /tv/ invaded saying that the only reason why people on /mu/ like the album is of their white guilt

/pol/ thinks this for obvious reasons
/tv/ thinks this because louis c.k. is a meme there since he always talks about white privilege and shit during his standup. the punchline of the joke/meme is that in order to get over his white guilt, he let a black guy cuck him by fucking his wife

friendly reminder that these dank memes are for life (◡‿◡✿)

>>54406391
>something is racist if it is making judgments based on race
did you know that race for example affects how certain pain killers and other drugs work on a person and this is something that is actually taken into account when writing prescriptions

race is not just a social construct eventhough your sociology professor told yo uthat

>>54406346
basically anyone who defends black power and is not black automatically wants to be fucked by black dick.
its perfectly logical dumbass.

>someone posts thread hoping to initiate genuine conversation about song lyrics
>thread devolves into shit-flinging contest about racial politics
This is why we can't have nice things, mu.

>>54406391

Well if you want vastly HIGHER murder rates, lets do less stops/searches/policing in the areas where the murderers are.

See how this works?

You decide.

>>54406444

>Purposefully acting blind and ignoring the current (and past) circumstances does not mean they dont exist.

What am I ignoring? Every single claim of "systemic racism" I have seen is completely unfounded, and is at odds with my own experiences as a minority in the US. I'm not excusing any white persons crime, as long as you can prove they actually did/do it.

>>54404454
>Enemy" implies that it is an outside force killing them

right, the term "you are your own worst enemy" is not a thing in our world

>>54406499
the police cant do much to fix an area, they are a just a bandaid. there needs to be changes socially, not just changes to police rosters.
your oversimplifying things

>>54406584

Obviously you need both, unless you think the solution is to disband the police force and invest the money into more social programs to help these poor lost souls.

>>54406257

>look at you excusing criminals with the same old "wahh they had it hard growing up" tirade

It's not an excuse, it's a reason. A valid one at that. Two people in different environments with different upbringings will not be the same. If someone subjected to a violent environment growing up with peers or parents who encourage that lifestyle you would be an idiot to expect that person to live in an ideal civilized manner, regardless of skin color.

If you think violence or IQ or whatever other racist prejudice you apply to people is based on skin color then you're a fucking loon. Again, what I just said doesn't mean crime is okay by any means.

Oh my god, just put this thread out of it's misery already.

>>54404454
does enemy imply that? or are you being dumb

>>54406584
And those social changes need to come from within those communities. Nobody owes them shit and it's their own responsibility. This album and a lot of 2pacs work also suggests that.

>>54406544
they are white tho, surely that's enough proof of innocence your honour.

>>54406548

That phrase exists precisely because the enemy is almost always depicted as a third party. You're reaching pretty hard if you think Kendrick meant, "We must unify to stop the enemy, but also you are your own worst enemy".

>>54406628
dumbass i am saying they need both.

>>54406487
>album's content is racially charged
>surprised when arguments about race happen
Shame it's not coming back to the points of the lyrics though.

>>54406740
of course, but why rule out a change in attitude from the police force so they aren't as racist.

>>54406748

Sounds like you have your own issues with white people. Personally, if you want to make it about race, whites have been much more accepting of me and other hispanics I know than blacks, yet I dont go on 4chan to talk shit about black people.

>>54406855
They won't enact social changes because that takes work. Instead, we'll continue to justifiably lock them up in droves.

>>54406909
For the most part, the police aren't being intentionally racist. They don't go out looking for niggers to lynch. They patrol the areas with the most crime and those areas happen to be black.

>>54403571
considering Pac's philosophy came a few years after the LA riots it makes sense why he would think that. given how the current race riots of today pale in comparison it's clear he was wrong, so there's no use getting upset at "hurr durr le blacks will come for us."

as for Kendrick, all he's talking about is the systematic oppression of blacks that has continued since the 60s when most white people thought everything was magically fixed with a switch, unaware that blacks were still in poverty and have suffered those effects to this day. by "those effects" i mean drugs like crack and meth (but mostly crack) that were literally introduced to ghettos by our government with the intent of destroying them from the inside. the drug trade in the ghetto is all run by gangs, so the more hard drugs, the harder the violence will be - this is what Kendrick is referring to with "turning on the enemy" hence that cover of all the ghetto dudes in front of the white house.

thing is, if you pay attention to any of these "radical" rappers you know they really don't want white people to get hurt. they just want some kind of vindication for everything they have suffered for so long. besides, kendrick was pretty clear on "Complexion" that he really just wants everyone to get along.

Simply put, if you weren't raised in the ghetto there are some things you will never understand about that culture/the anger that comes from it, so dismissing it all like you're an expert is pretty stupid.

>>54406909

You're talking in circles now. The whole point is they aren't racist. Its only natural for their to be a higher police presence in areas where there are more crimes being reported, and these areas tend to be filled with minorities. Who do you think calls the police to these areas when they hear gunshots or to report a murder? White people in gated communities? Its the minorities themselves.

>>54406947
suena como su perdido la broma comp8ñero

>>54404071
>Racism are laws on the books that directly target minorities in ways which are intended to be subtle and undetectable
People keep saying this but can never reference it in law.
Stop living in your fucking fantasy world where the law isn't equal for all races.
Several decades of leftist "political correctness" nonsense has ensured equality under law for all races.
The civil rights era has ended, you cuck.

>>54406257
>also, who is the agent denying the stable family and education from these people?
You do know black people were banned from education for years right? And the education they eventually got was shitty and in a lot of areas still is.

>>54406469

Citation needed

>>54407092
that's not relevant to today

>>54407142
am i being memed or do you actually want a source on the fact that there are biological/anatomical differences between people of different races?

>>54406894
I'm not surprised, just disappointed. And it really is a shame, because I feel like the Pac part is an extremely critical part of the album that is just being written off by a lot of people here as kinda dumb or cringey.

>>54406783
This Occam's razor type "this word must mean what it most commonly means" analysis is really narrow and closed-mind, and that is why so many people in this thread are shitting on you. "You are you're own worst enemy" is probably the biggest theme of the entire album. If you don't understand that, you should listen to it again before trying to discuss it.

>>54407092
>and in a lot of areas still is
It's often shitty because good teachers don't want to live in the shitty black neighbourhoods surrounded by shitty black culture that glorifies crime and violence and despises education. How do you propose we fix that?

Also, stop pretending that other races haven't faced similar obstacles and relatively quickly overcome them.

>>54405540
>Systematic Racism is a conspiracy theory
Oh so, the CIA had no involvement in the distribution of Cocaine and Guns during the 80s?

Yea you're right there's no way that documented record is true! Black people made it up!!!

>>54407223
>How do you propose we fix that?
GIVE THEM MONEY.

>>54407143
No it didn't. Ignorant black raised ignorant black kids leading to a vicious cycle of ignorance. The education these kids get in low income neighbors today is also shit leading to more ignorance. Things that happened 100 years ago still have very much of an impact.

Forget that first sentence
>>54407356

>>54407192
>race
>reifying something that was made up less than 500 years ago

>>54407356
>vicious cycle of ignorance
the public school system is perfectly good enough to break that cycle but too bad black parents tell their kids not to listen to what that white (wo)man in the school says

>>54407301
The CIA didn't give a fuck who they provided/sold to. Black culture just makes them an easy target.

>>54407092
>and in a lot of areas still is
Can you back that up with factual evidence that proves this discrimination?

It's ok, I'll wait.

>>54407223
>Also, stop pretending that other races haven't faced similar obstacles and relatively quickly overcome them.
No other group in America has faced even remotely the amount of oppression that black people have.

>>54407436
You're starting another argument. Low income neighborhoods have shit education, leading to more crime.

>>54407413
Most black people are stuck in impoverished shitholes, in which the education is not good enough. Most of the time the quality of life is so bad that kids don't give a fuck about school.

>>54403788
For conservatives it's "SJWs," "the Jews," "feminazis," "the liberal media," "kike shills," "activist judges," "the gay agenda," and (as opposed to the apparently wholly benevolent state government) "the federal government."

>the public school system is perfectly good enough
lol no there's plenty of schools across America, good neighborhoods or not, that are complete shit and that's due to lack of funding because getting government aid is incredibly competitive and competent teachers don't want to live in awful neighborhoods and be underpaid. Plenty of districts face white flight and wealthy minorities leaving these areas too because the education system is shit or the neighborhood in general is poverty ridden. Ghettos and trailer parks are cancer, nobody wants to be in one.

>>54407520
Native Americans.

>>54407574
Still waiting for you to prove that.
Not just going to take your word for it.
You want to convince me?
Prove it.
Otherwise you're just talking out of your ass.

>>54403571

"America" = The white establishment that continues oppressive policies and policy enforcement on minority communities.

The main tool employed by the white establishment to destroy the black community has been the war on drugs. It's only made harder by subverted racism that prevents blacks from being hired 60% more than an equally qualified white, giving all the more incentive to get involved in gangs and illegal activity out of necessity or just plain boredom.

Historically, the problem wouldn't have been as bad if urban communities weren't totally fucked by the crack epidemic, a phenomena that has been well documented as being started by the federal government (literally the crack that went through freeway rick and was supplying the epidemic was being given by the US government).

"Niggas" will murder cops, I'm assuming. Hopefully not just random white people.

The aforementioned white establishment is, and has been, creating environments filled with poverty, drugs, gang violence, and murder via aforementioned policies and the discriminatory enforcement of those policies.

Aside from that, cops are just killing black kids/men like its not, and always have been, it's just now getting attention.

>>54407301
>Oh so, the CIA had no involvement

who needs them when you'e got rap/hiphop to utterly fuck the kids minds up

the music has done more damge than they could ever do

>>54407727
When did the Native Americans ever suffer *oppression* comparable to black people? They just killed out most of them and the ones that did survive got their 40 acres and a mule and nice living conditions. Not comparable at all, the genocide part was shitty though.

>>54407058

Studies of twins reared apart have shown that IQ is almost completely genetic.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1520-iq-is-inherited-suggests-twin-study.html#.VQo1EOGmVRc

http://arthurjensen.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/IQ%E2%80%99s-of-Identical-Twins-Reared-Apart-1973-by-Arthur-Robert-Jensen.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study

And as for any environmental variance (from the second link)

>The present data do not permit any strong inferences about the sources of environmental variance, but other twin research indicates that a substantial and perhaps even a major proportion of the nongenetic variance is attributable to prenatal and other biological influences rather than to differences in the social- psychological environment

So not only is IQ genetic, but environmental causes for IQ variance tend to be prenatal/biological.

The average IQ of an african-american is 85. Did you know that statistically this places 80% of black people below the average white IQ of 100?

Did you know that IQ correlates negatively with crime?

Did you know the 2r allele of the MAOA gene is linked to "psychopathic personality traits, arrests, incarceration, and lifetime antisocial behavior"?

>http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912004047

>The effects of the 2-repeat allele could not be examined in Caucasian males because only 0.1% carried it.

>>54407769
What do you want me to prove? That black people are poor or that poverty leads to violence?

>>54407825

>Forty acres and a mule refers to a concept in the United States for agrarian reform for former enslaved African American farmers, following disruptions to the institution of slavery provoked by the American Civil War.

u dun goofed

>>54407793
>promoting the murder of the police
because all cops are racist/crooked right

pretty sweeping generalization you got there kid

>>54407520
>No other group in America has faced even remotely the amount of oppression that black people have.

lol

Millions of Irish were used as slaves in Africa from the 1500s and then again the US later. They were also virtyally genocided in their own land at the same time.

NOBODY suffered longer or harder than the Irish slaves.

>>54407826

Didn't mean to quote that guy

>>54407574
In comparison, low income Asian, European (Italian, Irish, Polish etc.), Indian and Arab areas manage to do fine. Just maybe the problem is with blacks and their culture?

>>54407870
>Native Americans got *THEIR* 40 acres and a mule
>reservations

Think for a sec anon.

>>54407520
The Irish had it far, far worse and so did quite a few Asians.

>>54407952
Yes blacks and their shitty, manufactured, oppressed American culture.

>>54407520

>the Irish

>almost 500 years as slaves in the african colonies and US

>>54407890

I never said that, nor did I advocate for it. I'm simply translating. I will say, though, as a black man who's had many experiences with american cops, most cops are pieces of shit, and more importantly they're the direct enforcers of the policies that are fucking over blacks.

And it makes sense that most cops are pigs. Which kid from your highschool was more likely to gravitate towards a job that lets you carry a gun and carry the full authority of the law wherever you go? The sensible, smart, judicious, kind-hearted kid, or the jughead bully who loves authority? Now who's more likely to be fine with the pay of a police officer?

Definitely the jughead bully. And given that minorities dont respect cops, you're going to be getting a lot of white cops. And that's cops. Usually, the people who would make great cops just do other things because they're overqualified.

>>54407968

You are devaluing the struggle of the Natives because they got their 40 acres, and I am pointing out that the term comes from reparations paid to freedmen. If you already knew that then it makes even less sense to have brought it up.

Kendrick understands that the quote about Nat Turner is ironic because that interview is from 1994 and there have been tons of riots since and it never got past protests and looting and the occasional isolated murder. Kendrick isn't some kind of wide-eyed idealist set to change the world with his music. He's exhausted and cynical and in the album's more cynical moments he acknowledges how futilistic all of this is.

>>54408023
> itz all da white manz fault
> need mo handouts for dem programs

>>54408115
>futilistic
just futile does fine you pretentious douche

>>54408092
>they're the direct enforcers of the policies that are fucking over blacks.
What policies are those? Start naming some policies that specifically fuck over blacks. Are blacks incapable of abiding by the same laws as other races?

>>54408092

sensible post

Now add in the factor of much more cops being needed in areas with high murder rates..........more cops = more stops/searches/confrontations.

There isno solution here until the areas get a grip on their on criminals/gangs. Then the cops won't be needed in high numbers anymore.

>>54408092

>And given that minorities dont respect cops

I find it funny that you stick that in there, while continuing to blame racist cops.

I also find it funny that everyone ignores my post >>54407826 because it cant be dismissed with sociological pseudoscience.

>>54408108
I'm not devaluing anything, they're just not comparable. 40 acres is equivalent to reservations hence why I made the connection I dont see why you're making a deal.

>>54408177
trying to argue against that mans intelligence is simply futilitismicisitisismicisitistic

>>54403762
the ground is going to open up and swallow our memes

>implying Jim Crowe didn't affect Asians
>implying Asian struggle just isn't as well known because there aren't that many of them
>implying Asians in California and Oregon didn't get treated like shit
>implying Asians didn't get thrown in coal mines and dangerous construction jobs because whites are too good for it and slaves are too financially valuable
>implying to the white man you aren't all "shitskins"
>implying the internment of the Japs didn't happen
>implying the wave of immigrants from Korea and Japan didn't get shat on for not knowing English and eating stinky food and being brown and being gooks and chinks and mongoloids
>implying a black equivalent of the Sixteen Candles character Long Duc Dong would have made it to film in the mainstream 80s
>implying Asian Kung Fu films weren't the equivalent of blaxploitation
>implying Affirmative Action hasn't double fucked Asians by making them susceptible to the racism of being brown and slant-eyed and the reverse racism of being so disproportionately high achieving that at most prestigious colleges like Stanford or the Ivy Leagues have lower acceptance rates and higher median test scores for Asians than whites
>implying Yellow Peril doesn't stand with Black Power
>implying those two nukes would've ever in any circumstance been dropped on Germany

>>54408128
It literally is the white mans fault. I hope you don't take that as a personal diss because you happen to be white.

>>54407826
>Did you know the 2r allele of the MAOA gene is linked to "psychopathic personality traits, arrests, incarceration, and lifetime antisocial behavior"?

what is this about?

>>54408177
Now, it's the same as the difference between a postmodern novel and a postmodernist novel, or an absurd painting and an absurdist painting and an absurdistic painting.

>>54408092
tbh i was trying to trigger people with that but honestly i somewhat agree and somewhat disagree with you

> it makes sense that most cops are pigs
that's a generalization m8

>Which kid from your highschool was more likely to gravitate towards a job that lets you carry a gun and carry the full authority of the law wherever you go? The sensible, smart, judicious, kind-hearted kid, or the jughead bully who loves authority? Now who's more likely to be fine with the pay of a police officer?
another generalization...may be true in some cases but there's no way you can prove that for a fact

i really think police departments should start going out of their way to employ minorities

feel like it would mitigate the amount of racial tension between cops and inner city youth

>>54408342

Is it the white mans fault that blacks in the US have an IQ of 85? That used to be the cutoff for mental retardation but too many blacks were labeled mentally retarded so they lowered it to 75.

>inb4 environmental factors

>>54408375

Just a gene found in 5.5% of blacks that is almost non existent in Caucasians.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912004047
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24326626

>Analyses revealed that African-American males who carry the 2-repeat allele are significantly more likely than all other genotypes to engage in shooting and stabbing behaviors and to report having multiple shooting and stabbing victims.

>>54408492
When you deny several generations the opportunity to learn then leave impoverished youth (the majority) the worst education possible, I wouldn't be suprised they test lowly.

>>54408646
This trend extends to blacks in every single country all around the world. I guess that's all the white man's fault too?

>>54408340
Why are Asians so third party? Whites don't like them but they don't get any brown guilt?

>>54408792
>This trend extends to blacks in every single country all around the world.

citation needed

>>54408646

IQ has almost nothing to do with environment.

See >>54407826

>>54408932
If IQ is so important does that mean gentile whites are subhumans compared to Jews and Asians?

>>54407826
>iq tests
iq tests are a flawed measurement of intelligence
>twin studies
twin studies are mostly case studies, they have not been widely done and the scientific community is split on the accuracy of many of these such studies
>jumps from twin studies to black people
You can't simplify that. Twins reared apart is different than black people raised in environments in which it is difficult to get an education.
>iq correlates negatively with crime
low iq also correlates with poor education, which also correlates with crime. Correlation =/= causation.
>2r allele of the MAOA gene
you're not a geneticist. You simply found a particular article about something that supports your beliefs.

Look, you can continue to pretend that science is on your side, that it proves that black people are inferior, but the truth is, you're racist. It's evident in the fact that you spent time cherry picking facts and "evidence" to support your claims. You're a racist. Why don't you go back to listening to technical death metal or something made by white people? Admit it. You thought black people were inferior first, then you found these studies, probably pushed by other racists as evidence. All I know is that tons of black people who aren't racists are superior to you.

>>54408932
Not true. Black people raised in an environment where they're subject to poor education and a culture that does not promote education for its students are worse test takers. Many of the concepts that are used in the IQ test are white-biased in the sense that they are concepts taught in schools which are predominantly white. Look it up. They're not inherantly dumber, they just haven't had the chance to be smarter. Tons of wealthy black people are extremely smart. It's the ones that are poorer and have a worse education which are not.

>>54409055
Young trip comes through

>>54409055

if ever a trip name fit the bill......

if black people are so unintelligent how come they are usually behind every new trend/genre movement in music history that eventually becomes popular

that amount of creative innovation would surely imply intelligence of some sort would it not

>>54403571
>while discussing the inspiration behind the title of his upcoming album, kendric lamar mused to rolling stone
>"Just putting the word 'pimp' next to 'butterfly'… It's a trip. That's something that will be a phrase forever. It'll be taught in college courses — I truly believe that."

>>54409055
>you're not a geneticist.

top kek
shitty deflection there m8 3/10

>>54409192
Is it racist that Asians and Indians are better at math and blacks are better at creativity and whites (mostly Jews) are better at business and scheming? It could be genetic, it could be cultural (with Jews it almost certainly is due to a long history of Christians not banking etc etc), it could be unfounded stereotypes.

>>54409251
This is an equally bad deflection. How about you respond to some of the arguments in his walls of text.

If you could replace any song on here with a lush studio version of that Untitled song from Colbert, which would it be?

>>54409251
Poor reading comprehension skills. 0/10.

>>54409267
>and whites (mostly Jews) are better at business and scheming

literally lmao'd

top fucking percentage post m8

>>54409308
Momma is probably my least favorite but none really

>>54409051

Well the IQ between whites and Jews/Asians is much smaller than that of whites/blacks and hasn't been shown to affect whites ability to create and maintain peaceful prosperous societies. Hispanic "Whites" also bring down the average white IQ by a bit (pic related). But yes you are right, Ashkenazim Jews (which are caucasoid) and (some) Asians have higher IQ's.

I dont know what you expect to prove with this argument. If I back off now that will only make 2 people who aren't capable of handling the truth.

>>54405680
"out of white guilt"
more like /pol/ fags are denying that the music is good purely because Kendrick embracing african american styles of music and culture

>>54408026
*800

>>54409055
>you're not a geneticist.

AHAHAHAHA

hurr durr you can't read research papers because I say so

>>54409413
So you're genetically inferior to jews, is what you're saying?

Not buying it

>>54409458
There's two sentences there, bud. Read them.

>>54409451
This is irrelevant. How long were they enslaved in America, what were the conditions like, and how many were left over.

>>54409051
In general, gentile whites are less intelligent than Ashkenazi Jews. The difference isn't terribly significant though (2-5 points depending on the study) and gentiles make up for it with the fact that they are incredibly creative and have formed the greatest civilizations the world has ever seen.

Asian IQ studies are notorious for selection bias.

Blacks have an average IQ that classifies most of them as mentally retarded in most first world countries. Even in the U.S. they would have been classified as mentally retarded until 1992 when politically correct lobbies had the cut off for mental retardation lowered from 85 to 70-75.

>>54409576
It's been decades since anybody thought IQ was a reliable measure of actual intelligence

>>54409576
IQ tests are flawed and culture specific

>>54409649
Americans tend to dismiss them because they're politically incorrect and point to some substantial differences between races. Jews, Russians and Asians still take them very seriously and there have been no serious studies that dispute their reliability.

Areas with higher average IQs also do far better academically and economically by almost every quantifiable metric.

>>54409683
>numbers are racist

>>54409055

I am definitely a racist but believe it or not, I didn't have any strong opinions on black people before I began studying this topic.

>iq tests are a flawed measurement of intelligence
You can argue about whether IQ tests measure intelligence all day, but IQ has been proven to be the best predictor of future success and SES.
>twin studies are mostly case studies, they have not been widely done and the scientific community is split on the accuracy of many of these such studies
Blatant lie, the study I linked was not at all a case study, and who cares about what "most" studies are. if you have any specific gripes with the ones I actually linked then name them.
>jumps from twin studies to black people
Twins are people - Black people are people
If two people with the exact same genetic makeup reared apart share the same IQ then it stands to reason that IQ is mostly genetic for all people, blacks included.
>Twins reared apart is different than black people raised in environments in which it is difficult to get an education.
Except the Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study disproves the premise that blacks would do any better if they were raised in affluent environments.
>low iq also correlates with poor education, which also correlates with crime. Correlation =/= causation.
I agree. IQ correlates with poor education because people with low IQ tend to live in low income areas where they receive shitty educations. Correlation does not equal causation. The difference is that twin studies and other peer reviewed support the idea that IQ is causative of these SES conditions and not the other way around.
>you're not a geneticist. You simply found a particular article about something that supports your beliefs.
>You simply found a particular article about something that supports your beliefs.
Find one that disagrees instead of attacking me personally because I'm not actually a geneticist (lol)?

>>54408307

If cops beat the shit out of your friends for fun on a regular basis, and do general corrupt shit in front of you and your communities, how could you respect them? what the fuck?

>>54409826
>correlation
>implying causation

>>54409576
Blacks from the north score higher than whites from the south on average. Blacks from Germany score higher than whites in America.

correlation =/= causation

>>54409979
>Blacks from the north score higher than whites from the south on average. Blacks from Germany score higher than whites in America.
Neither of these things are actually true.

>>54409923

>If cops beat the shit out of your friends for fun on a regular basis
>being this delusional

I find it funny that after many months there hasn't been a single case in all this #blacklivesmatter shitstorm where the "victim" could be said to have been completely blameless beyond a reasonable doubt. A perceived state of victimhood is a powerful thing.

>>54409851
you are 1000% a faggot

and numbers are accurate you know

>>54409922
I'm in class so I can't refute these claims yet but if you admit you're already a racist there's really nothing I can do for you. Just hope this doesn't impact your real life

>>54409972
IQ has repeatedly been shown to be one of the greatest predictors of success we have. No one even debates this outside of retarded Tumblrites. It's taken very seriously by most first world countries and even our own Ivy league schools.

Ignore it if it makes you feel better though.

>>54409826
My IQ is 140 and I'm a fucking waste of space NEET who has gotten terrible grades for all of my life.

But I guess since I happen to be white, and thus genetically superior, I better take advantage of that shit and put my latent brain power to use, as I've clearly actually been a genius all along. Thanks, anon, I now realize the error of my ways in feeling that one's success and ability to function in society depends mostly on environment. Clearly nothing can be done about the inherent inferiority of the blacks, I guess they'll just have to keep on being poor criminals like they've always been.

>>54410172
>My IQ is 140
No, it's not. Post the result of a certified test (not online bullshit) with a timestamp.

Even if it was it wouldn't matter because outliers obviously exist.

>>54410172

The term cuck gets thrown around a lot but I think its very applicable here. You are inserting your personal problems into this debate. Just because you hate yourself doesn't mean that the averages and stats aren't significant.

>>54410269
Not taking sides but the SATs are very racially biased.

>>54410033
The US Army IQ tests show it to be true. Thats the same data that people use to claim that blacks in the US have a lower IQ than whites. In reality they are just cherry picking numbers from the 1920s.

>>54410400

No its not lol. No one uses IQ tests from the fucking 20's.

>>54410052
If you can't even admit that the law enforcement and criminal justice system are at least somewhat systematically racist you're too delusional to have this conversation. Why are blacks four times as likely to get incarcerated for marijuana possession compared to whites when both groups use pot at roughly the same rate? Why does crack get more time than cocaine? Why does stop and frisk disproportionately affect minorities? Why do blacks get harsher sentences on average than whites for the same crimes? Why did Cliven Bundy have armed thugs point guns at LEOs and not get shot at and every white guy on /pol/ and on news article comments sections calls him a hero but Eric Garner tells a bunch of cops to leave him alone and he gets slammed to the ground by three guys and choked to death and those same people say he should've stopped resisting? Why are black people with no convictions on their record less likely to be hired than white people with a criminal record? You can't ignore this shit. You can blame it on black culture promoting violence. You can blame it on genetics making blacks inherently inferior. You can blame it on history. This can all be debated and refuted and confirmed and hashed out. But you can't call yourself a rational individual if you hold the opinion that systematic racism does not exist in the United States in 2015.

I'll even give you a motive. What do you get she you have privatized prisons providing cheap labor to American companies, those prisons facing contractual obligations that state they must fill their cells each year, drug laws that incarcerate people for non-violent crimes, an implementation of those drug laws that affects minorities more than whites even though whites so drugs just as much, and profit to be made from all of this? After slavery we had sharecropping. Now we have this.

>>54410400
> Thats the same data that people use to claim that blacks
Nobody uses US Army IQ tests to argue this point. They have significant sampling problems for obvious reasons and there have been hundreds of academic studies since then on this exact topic.

>>54410064
good point

>>54410269
SATs don't even try to be about innate intelligence. The fact that they involve how literate you are and how much math you understand means they're very dependent on education. If they weren't nobody would take prep classes and practice tests and go on to improve their scores. I don't know about IQ, but SATs are biased as fuck.

>>54410544
>Why does crack get more time than cocaine?
Poor people deserve more jail time and we obviously don't have a perfect court system where we can guarantee equal representation to people that are dirt poor and worthless.

>>54410269
I don't know how you came to the conclusion that I would want to watch my wife fuck other men, but whatever. I was just trying to make the point that just because somebody gets high test scores, that doesn't mean that they'll be able to function well in society. Most of the people I know who have achieved financial success have done it through hard work and the ability to put up with lots of bullshit.

Also, these tests have way more to do with educational background than they do with innate intelligence

>>54410397

Very is an exaggeration.

>While the studies found gains for both black and white students on parts of the SAT, the white advantage is larger such that the studies suggest scores for black students are being held down by the way the test is scored

And the bias is apparently only in the verbal sections of the SAT.

Could it be that ebonics is not a proper form of english?

2pac is literally a convicted rapist. He served prison time

He's considered a hero in the black community and has a statute in his name

>>54410701
Testing someone's knowledge of classical grammar isn't IQ. The Asian immigrant kid who could do Calc 2 at 14 is gonna fail that but he's smarter than all the white Americans who grew up knowing English. The fact that all tests with a verbal or written element are linguistically biased means there's almost no way to control for culture, education, etc in a test such that you only compare innate intelligence.

>>54404046
youre a literal retard if you think privilege doesnt exist

>>54410769
Do you know anything about that case? The details are foggy and there were multiple other men in the room. He got targeted because of his wealth.

>>54410701
Maybe it is because black dialect is not considered proper English, but I don't have a opinion in that argument. As I said I'm not taking sides on whether black people are stupider or smarter than white people based off of region or even just genetics. I just had to say something about that post using the SATs to prove white people are smarter than black people, cause I know that's just insane.

>>54410892

Holy fucking shit you are pathetic

I read both sides of the story, even 2pacs side sounds fucking pathetic and unrealistic

Basically said he was making out with a girl, but then his boys came in the room and started fucking with her too (she didnt want them) but 2pac then proceeded to gang rape her with them.

His side of the story is his bodys started touching her/molesting and he just "left the room"

>>54410795
For the overwhelming majority of the population, the ability to communicate effectively is vastly more important than Calc 2. Keep making excuses for why these retards can't speak a single language properly while most Europeans and Asians are expected to speak 3 or more languages better than they can speak 1.

>>54410960
I don't believe groupies sorry

Pac is a piece of shit. Say what you want about his music, but he dropped a loaded, cocked gun without the safety on and someone picked it up and it killed a 6 year old. He had several assault cases, he was convicted of rape, and he actively promoted a Thug Life philosophy completely at odds with what Kendrick is preaching.

>>54410679

No they dont. And dont take your intelligence for granted (assuming you actually have a high IQ). There are people that would be incapable of even having this discussion.

>>54410795

African-Americans grow up in America and watch the same TV shows/read the same books as you (except for maybe the EXTREME poor). Whites have plenty of improper slang too, but they are usually aware of what is considered proper English. This doesn't compare to Asians who dont even speak English at home.

>>54410769
> 2pac is literally a convicted rapist

Oh shit, really? And did you hear that Biggie got arrested for dealing crack? Damn, who knew 90's gangsta rappers were such criminals?

>>54411024
You really care about assaults? How much of a bitch are you?

>>54411058
But crack is a hustler's crime. You do it to make money and support yourself and shit. Listen to a Jay Z album. It's desperation shit. Rape is never necessary.

>>54411090

lol wut

>>54410834
you're a bigger retard if you think only white cis males have it

>>54411090

>>54411154
How does assaulting someone make them a piece of shit? Plenty of rappers have done worse

The only question is if we're at a point where class privilege supersedes racial privilege. In America at least, this is a new question since blacks basically couldn't be rich until very recently. But are rich blacks better off than poor whites? Would you rather be a black millionaire or a very comfortable 6 figure upper middle class white?

>>54411213
Not the guy you're talking to, but Pac was preaching a pretty hateful, violent message up until his death. Nothing like what Kendrick is saying with this record

>>54411213
But rape?

>>54411213

and they're shit too

>>54411275
I don't believe that happened. Fuck a bitch that goes from sucking dick in the middle of a club to screaming rape.

>>54411256
I never got that from him. Care to explain?

>>54408340
>implying Asians in California and Oregon didn't get treated like shit

America has treated every race and nationality like shit over the years.

>implying the internment of the Japs didn't happen

Internment of Japs wasn't even that bad. It was mostly a work camp. By no means were they even close to death camps. A few years of Jap internment doesn't compare to 100+ years of slavery of black people.

>implying the wave of immigrants from Korea and Japan didn't get shat on for not knowing English and eating stinky food and being brown and being gooks and chinks and mongoloids

American didn't like anything that wasn't America. That's basic knowledge

>implying those two nukes would've ever in any circumstance been dropped on Germany

Germany was already BTFO'd when we dropped nukes, why would we waste them on Nazis? On top of that, If Japan wasn't being problematic for the US and we entered the war through different means, there woulda been a HUGE possibility that nukes would have been dropped on Germany.

>>54411164
never said that. but it's more or less a fact that, generally speaking, white males in western society have more advantages than non-white males

>>54411417
Asians being perceived as subhuman is at least part of the reason the nukes happened.

>>54411447
If it was ANY part of the reason at all, it wasn't a big reason by any stretch of the imagination.

>>54411423
>white males in western society have more advantages than non-white males
And so they should. White males built western society and founded the political, economic and social systems that support it.

Nobody goes to China and bitches that the Chinese have an advantage in their own country. Blacks have the advantage in much of Africa and they're more than welcome to return to it.

>>54410544
How anyone can know this and still claim that systematic racism ended in the 60s is beyond me.

>>54411643
Except black people were dragged here and left with no rights. Where would they go anyway? A lot of poor black people have never left their state. You sound ignorant.

>>54411643
Asia for the Asians, Africa for the Africans, Europe for the Europeans, America for the Native Americans (and I guess Hispanics now too). Time for a mass white exodus back to Europe. Do them Israel style and say your ancestors lived here so it's your rightful land and then shoot them for it.

>>54411720

>systematic

I dont think you know what this word means.

>>54411813

North America as it is now was built my European colonists. If you really want to get technical, Clovis culture was there long before the Native Americans.

>>54411795
Jefferson and Lincoln wanted to send them to Liberia. That sounds reasonable since they definitely don't belong here and the current situation is clearly not working out for either party.
>>54411795
>A lot of poor black people have never left their state.
Great. It could be marketed as a vacation and a new experience then.

>>54411423
>white males in western society have more advantages than non-white males

it's called the fruits of your labour you commie idiot !

white guys invented 99% of the shit in your house right now.....also the medical systems and government systems that keep the country from imploding into a banana republic shit hole

black males are only 5 or 6% of the US population and they have access to all those fruits too.........from cars to internet to whatever the fuck else

EVERYBODY IN THE US IS PRIVILEGED!!!!!

>>54411957
Who'll pay for it?

>>54411990
The amount of money we'd save on social programs would cover the costs 10 times over easily.

>>54411423
Wish I had a neat race card to pull, but instead, my privilege is to be accused of being a rascist in the instance I disagree with another person's view on racially charged issues.
(Not the same person)

>>54411990
Instead of 40 acres and a mule that blacks were supposed to get they could've just gotten the money from former slaveowners.

>>54412081
We're already in debt we don't have the means to plan that far ahead. But this idea is idiotic anyway.

Deportation was just an idea Lincoln floated around. If he never died he would've divvied up plantation land and gone with the 40 acres and a mule plan. How different would our race relations be if every freed slave got that?

Also, that's still pretty shit reparations. Nowadays depending on the state exonerated prison inmates can get up to a million dollars. For a lifetime of slavery they probably should've gotten the 1865 equivalent of like 5 million each. Which wouldn't have been feasible but you know, they ended up getting nothing.

>>54412281
It would pay itself off within a year easily. Dumping 15% of the population off the coast of Liberia would be way cheaper than the social services they consume. Especially since this specific 15% consumes an incredibly disproportionate amount of social services.

>>54412529
>implying any country would accept 32 million people at the drop of a dime for no gain of their own

>>54412621
> implying Liberia would have any say in the matter

>>54412366
They could've funded some of it with a simple measure: if you owned slaves, everything you own gets liquidated or redistributed.

>>54412366
Did Andrew Johnson fuck up majorly?

>>54412870
Yes

>>54407672
I've never heard a conservative pundit or otherwise use the words SJW or feminazi outside of /pol/ and fedoracore youtube videos

>>54403788
Black people in my experience do believe in the fucking illumenati, though. It's weird as shit. My wife is a HS teacher and a bunch of her black students think it's real, my black co-workers in the past have confirmed they believe in it, etc. What makes it weirder to me is I see a bunch of young black dudes with a bunch of masonic hats and shirts and shit and I get the feeling they're FAR from being Masons. The fuck?

>>54409055
>iq tests are a flawed measurement of intelligence
That is true, but an IQ test is the best measure of cognitive reasoning we have. There are other forms of intelligence that can be measured in many different ways, but IQ is by and large the most accurate
>You can't simplify that. Twins reared apart is different than black people raised in environments in which it is difficult to get an education.
I don't think you understand the point of that part of the post. The separation of the twins showed that the intelligence quotient of each twin was identical and most likely inherited by their parents
>low iq also correlates with poor education, which also correlates with crime. Correlation =/= causation.
He never implied causation you retard. Stating a correlation does not imply that the two are direct causes/influences on each other. Two things can exist within a common set without interaction
>you're not a geneticist. You simply found a particular article about something that supports your beliefs.
Way to post links stating the antithesis
Maybe post some literature reviews

>>54404071
>Americans bring over slaves
>Slaves get undoubtedly mistreated
>America fights a war with part of itself to end slavery
>Makes a foray into Colonialism with Liberia for a place for slaves to return
>The first thing the returning slaves do is enslave the Africans already in Liberia
>this goes on for something like 100 years and culminates in a civil war full of cannibal warlords and genocide

I don't understand

>>54414779

>>54414898
What

Tupac wasn't black, he was clearly Indian.