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Black people get mad you do it better than them and white people say you are a traitor

>>54303210
>Black people get mad you do it better than them
Macklemore and Iggy don't do anything better than black rappers.

>>54303126
>without Macklemore/Iggy Azalea backlash
>Eminem respected by rap fans
there is a difference in talent

>>54303210
possibly this, but i can't say for other countries.
LUM is fucking legit but he's a meme because he's white

>>54303236
>Macklemore and Iggy don't do anything better than black rappers.

>he actually believes this

They are trash, but they are better than certain rappers

>>54303261
The point is Macklemore/Iggy aren't good enough for that to be the issue with them. Neither of them are anything special.

>>54303210
Macklemore = white j cloe
iggy= white chief keef

>>54303334
not at all shut up

You will only get backlash if you're not authentic. Iggy and Macklemore are not very authentic, so there's a backlash.

Eminem still has fans (even if he gets to be ICP-tier rap sometimes.) and Ugly Mane is skillful in the art so he has no backlash as well.

>>54303359
ok macklemore is more big sean but better
iggy makes shit pop music but some how people still buy it, like keef makes shit drill and people still listen

>>54303417
>Ugly Mane
he's not big, most black people don't know who he is.

>>54303534
Yah but raider klan, nigga.

>>54303309
>Neither of them are anything special.

Neither are like 95% of black rappers out, they are targeted SOLELY for the fact they are white

>>54303642
>targeted SOLELY for the fact they are white
wrong, they're attacked because they popular and both are average or below and got Grammy nominations.

>>54303642
them being white makes the black artists feel like they're being pushed out.

>>54303642
idt you get it or are just another nerd aka 'le troll'

>>54303750
>them being white makes the black artists feel like they're being pushed out.

Then get better

Black people in the United States seem to be becoming massive pussies with an infatuation with everything white people do

Seriously, if you don't like them just ignore it.

>>54303778
>being badly trolled.
Spastic.

>>54303784
but it's not like any macklemore and iggy are good.
if someone worse than you is pushing you out of your business, you would be pissed too.

>>54303878
They aren't worse though, they are on the same level as pretty much any other mainstream hip hop act right now.

Shit, but it sells.

>>54303934
>aren't worse though,
iggy is terrible but she's out selling artists who are way better than her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2oGADsQ_P0
the whole macklemore thing is over him beating Kendrick at the grammys. everyone knows kendrick had the better album

>>54304212
So black people are getting mad white people are making more money than them?

Seems like history repeats its self. Its rock and roll all over again,

>>54304245
basically and what happened to rock and roll is playing to the fear.

Lil Debbie is a great rapper

>>54303126
A good white rapper maybe

Macklemore is fucking awful though, and Iggy Azaliaaaaaaaaaaaaaah is just garbage.

>>54303261
Soundcloud nobodies maybe. Actual rappers, hell no.

>>54303126
all mentioned rappers are total shit

>>54304760
>all white rappers are total shit

Name me one, mu, just one.

>>54303126
In short, no. Not in the U.S. Too much racial tension and people that think they own hip hop.

>>54304815
didn't say all

I just wish he'd mackle less

>>54304815
Action Bronson

>>54305002
Ya did it.
Congratulation.

>>54304815
M'n'm

>>54303126
it's because they are all very mainstream and commercial, trying to cash in by appropriating what black people started, reducing that to some trivial catchy songs
there are white rappers out there that don't do this

>>54305101

>>54303878
>pushing you out of your business
If their business isn't wining Grammys and their fans aren't middle class white teens theyre fine. Mackelmore isn't pushing anyone out of the business he has limited market appeal in the long run, he really hasn't achieved much of anything expect recognition by the mainstream. He's not critically acclaimed and neither is igloo

Eminem was never really widely respected in rap circles, more in mainstream music circles. Because he is white he is marketable and he was controversial enough to create a stir without ever actually being challenging or thought provoking. Basically the white bread of rap. Now go back to school kiddies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgZVZE5USl4

Macklemore and Iggy get backlash because they are shit. Eminem did not because he was good. Their whiteness is an aspect of it, but then again Iggy is openly racist so it's kind of deserved.

Besides you seem to be implying that "backwards racism" prevents white people from making it in the rap world, which is clearly not the case.

>Caring about backlash

There's no such thing as bad press. If your music is good, it doesn't matter.

>>54303126
Macklemore isn't really considered rap, he's pop. The only reason he receives backlash is because pop listeners are obsessed with him and think he's the best rapper alive and the only rapper that doesn't rap about 'sex, money, and drugs'.
Iggy receives backlash because she's fake as fuck. She's Australian yet raps with a put on Southern 'black' accent to fit in and look cool. And she comes from a nice background (lived on a 12 acre plot of land) yet raps like she's the hoodest, baddest bitch out.
None of them receive hate because they're white. They get hate, and they also happen to be white. Nothing to do with race.

>>54305335
>There's no such thing as bad press.
Plenty of cases of that in history. Popularity vanishes pretty quickly when you're dragged through mud, this being your ultimate peak.

>>54305297
I really don't think he was implying that at all

Reminding you that this is what white people do with rap music

>>54305522
Riff raff isn't human
Don't insult the human race like this please

>>54304815
the white chris rock

>>54305522
Yeah, but nobody actually takes him seriously.

>>54305586
he's white

>>54305442

Like I said, let the quality of your music speak for itself.

Ninja isn't awful and doesn't get much backlash beyond people who don't get that Die Antwoord is a shitty joke.
German Rappers in general don't get any backlash, because there's few black people here.

>>54305335
So the press about Gary Glitter hasn't really affected his music sales that much....

>>54305610
Wow you racist shitlord

>>54305791
the thread is about white rappers

>>54305839
>can't tell I'm Kidding
Jesus m8

>>54305731

Gary Glitter committed a heinous crime.

>>54305522
>>54305610

Actually, he's Jewish.

>>54305866
how can i tell when i'm on 4chan? too many idiots here that have poor reading comprehension and can't follow discussions

>>54305888
>jews can't be white

>>>/pol/

>>54305888
Trips don't lie
>captcha is toric
Does that mean "of the torah" kek

>>54303590
Yesss strictly for my raiders

Action Bronson broke all stereotypes Mr.wonderful coming soon

neither Macklemore nor Iggy have any real talent, that's why people give them shit. Eminem actually has talent and had shit to say, therefore people gave him respect.

rap fans respect eminem, el-p, aesop rock, action bronson, vinnie paz, atmosphere because they are genuine, not trying to be fake like that bitch iggy

>>54304815
>Eyedea
Checkmate

>>54303243
this
good rappers do get recognition even if they're white. If you rap in a way that is both good and fits the mainstream (see Eminem) you will blow up.

>>54305918
They have white skin but they themselves will insist they have a separate identity than European white people, go read an actual Jewish website and they'll be the first to tell you this
>>54305898
I thought it was extremely obvious from both my posts I wasn't being serious in the slightest. Who here actually uses shitlord seriously?

I don't think there would be nearly as big of a problem with Iggy if she just rapped in her accent. But then again she probably wouldn't have gotten the success she has now.

>>54305918

They sure as heck don't seem to think they are.

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/ashkenazi-jews-are-not-white-response-to-haaretz-article/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlpmRMximW4

>>54306035

I'd have no problem at all with Iggy if she rapped the way she spoke, or even rapped with an american accent. Maybe she'd even be good if she had anything worth rapping about.

>>54306080
but she's the realest

>>54306035
I think the only reason people think that she gets backlash for being white is because how badly azalea banks went after her. If she just said "your music is shit you're a joke" threads like this wouldn't exist but instead she singled out her race and made it seem like that's why she was shit. Going after action Bronson for the same reason really didnt help the misconceptions

>>54303126
Only in Europe (e.g. The Streets)

so what's macklemore doing these days

>>54306037
>Ashkenazi Jews
popular widespread consensus for decades now is that Jews are an ethno-religious group and majority are white

>>54306111
she was getting backlash long before that, mostly typical Australian-twitter racism/homophobia/whitetrash whatever

Action Bronson is probably the only white rapper out right now that black people like and is actually pretty good.

He won't ever win a grammy or anything but he's still popular.

>>54304212
>the whole macklemore thing is over him beating Kendrick at the grammys. everyone knows kendrick had the better album

why do people suddenly care so much about what wins at the grammys, the grammys have never been about quality of music

a lot of pissed off white rural-high-school wannabe rappers in this thread, probably

>>54306264
they have been about deserved recognition in public's eyes

>>54306306

I guess you must be a black rapper from the hood in his thirties, then.

>>54306217
And she deserved it. I think people started getting misconceptions though when people made it seem like they were going after her for being white not for being a dumb bitch

Used to be a big Macklemore before I got into.. well... good music. When he was on the come up.

But he's got a ton of undeserved shit since he went full on mainstream. He's made some great songs.

It's just the Nickleback effect, some ghetto rap fans started making fun of him then next thing you know it's cool to make fun of Macklemore. He's not great, he's pretty much pop-hip hop afterThe Heist. But he's got some good stuff. Shouldn't be lumped in with Iggy Azelia and people making a mockery of music

>>54305522
>There are people who still don't know what parody rap is

Riff is by far the best parody rapper alive

>>54304212
The Grammys don't mean a fucking thing. According to a website that checks how critically acclaimed music is, kendricks album is the 2nd most acclaimed album of the year and the 300 most acclaimed of all time. It was his second album. I really doubt he gives a shit about a Grammy

>sell rap to a general audience
>get mad when it becomes mainstream
???

>>54306336
did your mates in multimedia class get a bad mark on the music video they made for you

>>54306306
>people disagree with me
>better try to insult them!

>>54306477
Lol this fucking butthurt
You're just making it even more obvious his point was entirely valid

I'm black. I'm going to give you my opinion on it, but I don't speak for all black people, so don't think I do. This is going to ramble and be kind of incoherent. Ok? Cool.

You've got a culture of people with fragile egos who make money from "think pieces." As soon as white people get popular from hip-hop or any other traditionally black art-form, they get up in a tizzy about it.

They use bad arguments like "appropriation" in order to justify why they feel hurt when, in reality, they just don't like seeing white people get popular for doing things they consider to be culturally "black." It's not unlike the way you would feel if you saw an asshole kid at the mall wear a Ramones t-shirt. "He's just wearing it because he thinks the logo makes him look cool. I bet he hasn't even listened to a full album," you might say. They don't think of Macklemore or Iggy Azalea to be authentic. "Black people" are their in-crowd, the misunderstood misfits who are on the cutting edge of cool. "White people" are the sorority girl who drives the Camaro her daddy bought her and who only got into school because she's a legacy.

Mix the typical bullshit hipster attitude with actual hundreds of years of racial oppression, memory, systematic whatever, and so-on, and you've got a recipe for disaster. The aforementioned bloggers who blog about "culture" shoddily mix their snap opinions about music with sociology. They apply what should be applied to fucked up housing practices, predatory lending, and education spending to some Australian bitch with a fat ass and some other white guy who stole Win Butler's haircut.

It leads to the whiny Salon think-pieces we all know and love and post on our facebook pages and re-blog and re-tweet and so on.

Then white people get mad and click on them and pass them around on /pol/ or /mu/ in this case, and suddenly a blog that should have been a fart in the wind becomes a cloud of nerve gas that kills us all.

I'm done.

>>54306264
>>54306431
I think the point of getting upset about inferior white artists winning over (in some cases) harder working black artists is to point out one reason the Grammys are shit and don't matter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_I8vpLB9Fw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK8mJJJvaes

it's not just that the 2nd one (maybe?) copied the 1st one's theme, notice the huge difference between the feel and context? the 1st one is relatively serious, the 2nd one is pure irony. in the end it comes off as making a joke out of it.

>no mention of El-P yet

>>54306512
>butthurt
highschool detected

>>54306429

Lil B > Raff

>>54306546
Same guy. Also, Macklemore and Iggy Azalea are bad rap artists, so that's a big part of it.

<3

>>54306546
>They apply what should be applied to fucked up housing practices, predatory lending, and education spending to some Australian bitch with a fat ass and some other white guy who stole Win Butler's haircut.

YES jesus.

>>54306431
I've never understood why the Grammy's gives awards to the most popular music and doesn't really judge by quality, while the Oscars give awards to the best movies quality-wise and doesn't care how many people see it.

Is the music industry really this much of a joke? Beyonce being up for album of the year is like The Hunger Games or Guardians of the Galaxy being up for best picture.

>>54306590
Wow I'm so hurt, you accused me of being a high schooler on an anonymous imageboard. How will I recover from your amazing Internet wit

>>54306644
>the Oscars give awards to the best movies quality-wise
No, that doesn't happen either.

>>54306587
stfu rtj are a shit meme

>>54306596
See black guys even do meme rap better

>>54306324
a lot of music that gets little to no recognition is a hell of a lot better than what gets nominated at the grammy's so i don't see your point

if kendrick made the better album what do people care if macklemore won a grammy if it's not about quality of music

>>54306546
>>54306598
/thread

thanks based blacula

>>54306587

Well they're not even on the same level really. Macklemore loves hip-hop; did his first EP in 2000 or so and makes numerous references to classic hip-hop in "At The Party," but he's just not that good a rapper. The media latched onto him and spun this narrative about how he's this meaningful poetic rapper in a sea of shit just because he's white.

Basically it's the media's fault that Macklemore is popular and people like El-P aren't.

>>54306748
np

>>54306644
The Oscars are still a joke and end up giving awards to mostly Oscarbait movies. You're right that it's not as much of a joke as the Grammys though.

>>54306725
dunno about you, but that Riff album is GOAT stoned workout music

>>54306546
You're cool as fuck anon, that was a good point. I'm white and agree entirely, I think a lot of this is just blown up by the media to further racial tensions to be honest

>>54306725
>stfu rtj are a shit meme

>Run The Jewels is the only thing El-P has ever done

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIAiOfSXjtQ

>>54306736
grammy's are blown up and they effect people's opinions
so of course people care what happens at the grammys
it's about getting social recognition
it probably pains people that some shitty artist is becoming famous and people are ignorant about what's actually the real shit that deserves recognition because it's more talented, meaningful, and native to that field/genre

>>54306725
Who said I wad talking about RTJ?

>>54303126
3Pac is white son and he never gets hate son.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq2oBsi6RDw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0otwpXpcvM

>>54303126
It depends what you consider mainstream. El P, Eyedea, and aesop rock all are/were very respected by rap fans but none of them were ever as big as macklemore. The beastie boys are really the only people who I think have pulled it off.

>>54306546
ty based blacula

>>54306001
the only thing about that is that most white rappers are cringe-inducing. most of them just arent good at it. Action Bronson is the only good white rapper rn imo

>>54306844
yeah, i guess you're right

>>54306546
Thanks, Boss.

>>54306596
Das Racist >>>> Lil B

>>54305056
you mean white ghostface killah

Aesop Rock and El-P are extremely respected by all fans of hip-hop

>>54305297
>Besides you seem to be implying that "backwards racism" prevents white people from making it in the rap world, which is clearly not the case.

I wasn't.

>>54305977
Eyedea is a terrible song writer

His battle raps and freestyles where cool but the man couldnt write a good song to save his life

>>54308425
>Aesop Rock

No, EL-P I can agree with but anyone who actually takes Hip Hop seriously knows Aesop is complete trash

You could have said Eyedea, at least he was good

end the war on whites

we are suffering :(

>>54305442
Popularity only vanishes from bad press when that bad press was actually deserved

>>54304815
el-p

>>54310566
El-P is fucking overrated and cringey...

I can't believe /mu/ shits their collective pants over RTJ

>>54310651
have you ever heard I'll Sleep When You're Dead ever

also black people hate macklemore because a lot of black people are homophobic.

>>54311138
that's not the reason they would hate someone like macklemore

>>54311197
it's not the only reason but it plays a big role. some people believes the media is trying to push a gay agenda on to them.

>>54311308
but not black people. you're confusing their homophobia for white conservative homophobia. it's a different mentality

>>54306240
But Action Bronson is fucking obnoxious.

American media is shitty and fuck mainstream rap. Check out underground and local rappers and you'll find the talent and fan base much more real and open.

>>54311456
You are completely wrong.

White conservative homophobia is stupid as fuck, but atleast they have a reason for it

Black homophobia is just based on pure ignorance.

>>54312500
what i mean is that white conservatives are much more paranoid about society forcing some new thing onto them, like, they're afraid of some pinkocommie-style conspiracy, while black people sympathize with progressive politics due to their situation in history
black people were also historically outside of the whole homophobic obsession of 19th and 20th century because they were pushed aside from general discourse in one way or another
and i think black people are not actually afraid of homosexuality as some degeneracy, it's more of a dislike that doesn't take itself as seriously as white conservatives do, like white fathers beating up their children if they suspect them

>>54312500
>White conservative homophobia is stupid as fuck, but atleast they have a reason for it
>Black homophobia is just based on pure ignorance.

Which makes black people better, because their homophobia is poverty-based ignorance and not full-blown irrational hate.