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Some yes, some no.

The Oscars it won are actually kinda representative of what the movie did good. The rest of the movie, not so much.

>>54095798
It's my favourite movie of the year also, probably because it helped me found motivation to keep playing.

not quite my tempo

>>54095798
>but they're all stupid, and don't understand music at all

MOTHERFUCKER. Don't you ever come back to /tv/

>>54095798

Probably my favorite movie of last year too. I just generally love movies about music/musicians, and I've always been a huge fan of J.K. Simmons. I was really glad to see him get an Oscar for the role. I also watched it with my dad and he loved it too.

fyi that movie is laughable in jazz circles

>i want be great
>i bleed so good
>oh no anxiety
>oh well it doesn't matter im great hooray

>>54095798
you understand /tv/ is one of the lower boards right? its like /v/ with vidya, they dont know what they are talking about half the time. its hard to find a decent thread on those boards

at least with /mu/, we are sincere. we act like retards half the time, but nobody loses their shit over something stupid. this is one of the better boards

>>54095902
Holy shit, you sorely missed the point. If you're part of these "jazz circles" you speak of, I don't give a shit what they think.

>>54095902
>jazz circles
lol

>>54095876

>defending the integrity of /tv/

>>54095936
OP here, and I agree with everything you just said. I'm not a /mu/ regular, but yea you guys seem more sincere than /tv/. I don't play vidja that much though.. what's wrong with /v/? Just misinformed? Plebs?
Or is it like /co/, and complains about the most popular projects all day, but never try anything different/indie?

>>54095964
>Or is it like /co/, and complains about the most popular projects all day, but never try anything different/indie?

I haven't been to /co/ in a few years, are "grimdark", "pretentious" and "edgy" still common parts of everyday general vocabulary on there?

>>54095964
manchildren

>>54095798
I really want to see this, missed it when it came out. Wondered if it'd be cliche as hell.. or good.

captcha: >muh jazz

>>54095902
Pretty much

>Plays so hard he bleeds (Is that even possible)
>Doesn't once get tendinitis

>>54096036
you hit a snare rim, you bleed
you form and pop a blood blister, you bleed
i have carple tunnel and drumming isn't thaaaaaaaaat bad for it considering (guitar is worse.. hell opening a jar is worse - but my left hand ain't that dextrous)

I don't know what to make of the ending

(Spoliers ahead but you're already in the thread so sucks to be you I suppose)
Did Simmons' character's speech about laughing a legend off the stage, to later seeing him rise to incredible levels, have nothing to do with making the main character make a fool of himself? I get that the main idea was to kill his career as the kid killes his own, but that completely disregards his will to push jazz and music further. Anyone have a clue?

>>54095902
didn't watch it yet but i'm guessing the movie is more about being pushed to greatness by getting to your breaking point and then being pushed even more vs a movie about jazz.

>>54096083
>that completely disregards his will to push jazz and music further.
Yea, it does. And that was the entire point. He was fucking done with Andrew, and just wanted to embarrass him to the point of absolute humility and career-suicide(homicide?) Before his understanding, during the drum solo, he didn't give a shit about that kid.

Then again, this movie does the subtle, ambiguous ending very, VERY well, so it's pretty open to speculation.

>>54096122
Was Simmons a symbol for working hard to achieve musical greatness/your own self doubt that Andrew finally defeated in the end?

>>54096083
He was trying to embarrass Andrew, but Andrew earned his respect by the drum solo/calling out the tracks. Andrew tried to make Fletcher look bad with that, calling the tracks himself. Eventually, they respected each other, and Fletcher legitimately did try to help Andrew at the end.

>>54096144
>Was Simmons a symbol for working hard to achieve musical greatness
Yea, but in a sort of fucked up way. Like he said, he never had a Charlie Parker. And the one that got the closest killed himself due to Fletcher-PTSD.

>/your own self doubt that Andrew finally defeated in the end?
I don't understand what you're saying here...

>>54095902
fyi jazz circles are a joke in the patrician scene

i really liked it. during the part where cousins(?) at the table are asking him about music judging and saying isn't it subject and andrew just says 'no.' i instantly thought of /mu/ lol

>>54096471

>>54096331
My point was that he left his idea of what was required from him to succeed behind him and just went for what truly was what Simmons (his subconcious idea of perfection) wanted. No ego, just pure dedication

>>54095902
I haven't watched it yet but i've talked to some of my jazz friends and they said that the way he plays is completely lame and unrealistic.

>>54095798
I'm sorry, but anyone who uses a jazz grip is a pussy. Looks fucking stupid. Kind of like bassist who use a pick.

>>54095798

it's pretty solid.

I don't really see why everyone loves it so much though. I don't think it would be on my top 10 of last year even. Teller rules though

>wanting to be like Buddy Rich
>using a 10" rack tom and a 22" bass drum

I loved it. Made me want to learn some jazz drumming, being someone who plays metal exclusively.

>>54097513
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9esWG6A6g-k
okay

>>54097546
Do it. I've been practising jazz almost exclusively for the last year, and it has helped me in every style of playing.

>>54095862
underrated post

Great movie imo though. The some trying to get too technical about it is annoying. It wasn't about learning to drum, it was about dedication. To me it was inspiring.

>>54097590

people who see the movie this way missed the point I think. the ending is not positive. Andrew is a jerk off with no soul and is going to die unhappy if he continues on that path

>>54097513
what's it like being 12?

it made me want to come back to drums & it gave me motivation to practice guitar and to be technically good in general. coming from a punk background, for years i didn't care for technical stuff but gradually i started to aprecciate things like these

where can I watch this online

>>54097694
YIFY

>>54097546
das it maine, put a fucking blastbeat with that dubble-time swing.

>>54097694
SPARKS

>>54095798
While it was entertaining it was also completely ridiculous and way too over the top.
Every big event that moved the plot forward was forced and laughable and way too many things don't add or up or make sense. I found myself laughing out loud constantly at how ridiculous it got.
Still, the fast pace and relatively short length keep the movie from getting boring and it has its moments.

>>54097803
What doesn't add up or make sense?

>and don't understand music at all.
Actually, it's this movie that doesn't understand music.

No, Jo Jones didn't toss a cymbaline at Charlie Parker, and Charlie Parker certainly didn't lock himself in his room and do nothing but practice how to move his hands faster because that's not what made Charlie Parker into Charlie "Bird" Parker. Moving your hands really fast only makes you really good at jacking off, probably to Buddy Rich, and says nothing about how good of a musician you are.

Other than the whole thing about how music is aparently all about following a really fast tempo instead of cretivity, passion and life, it's a fun movie, and J.K. Simmons kicks ass in it.

>>54096471
OFFICIAL WORST POST OF ALL TIME

>>54097909
Well a lot of stuff, mainly the end. When Andrew realizes he's being screwed over and doesn't have the sheet music why doesn't he just leave? The show hadn't really started yet, at least that way the critics could just think he got sick or something, they hadn't heard him play yet.
But no he stays on stage and potentially ruins his chances of having a future in music.
THEN after inevitably fucking up the song he decides to leave the stage. Why? He knows most of the other songs so why wouldn't he think to stay on stage and do his best performance possible to at least redeem himself?
But no he has to get a hug from daddy first.
Oh and finally are we REALLY supposed to believe that drum solo at the end impressed Fletcher that much? The whole movie Andrew couldn't play for more than 3 seconds without Fletcher losing his shit and complaining about tempo, now suddenly Andrew is able to keep a perfect tempo (by Fletcher's standards) for a whole five minute solo?
Bull shit.
Still an entertaining movie though.

>>54097625
>Thinking there's only one way to view the ending.

>>54097995
You got it man. Not to mention this kid worships Buddy Rich so much and yet feels the need to go to Jazz school.
Buddy Rich was more or less self taught and couldn't read music.

>>54098050
A lot of keeping a tempo is that every now and then you are able to keep it fairly well, but if you don't give it regular practice you'll lose the precision. I don't know if I'm the only one, in which case stop me because I make a fool of myself, but I think that scene is meant to show that neither Andrew nor the other two guys know what the fuck Fletcher wants them to play, and it's likely that Andrew was already on his tempo and Fletcher just kept riding him to make sure he'd never miss it again. It's also pretty weird that he'd just pretend to be sick and leave; the timing on that part is pretty well done, as just by the time you get the full comprehension of what happened, the song starts. It's possible to just pin that on the general confusion of the moment, and him coming back on anger and impulse.

But yeah, that last scene is total Hollywood wishy-washy crap

>>54097995

Not OP but it's not the film that doesn't understand music, it's the character. He lied about his student, who's to say he didn't lie about musicians?

Also keeping the tempo wasn't said to be the defining factor in music but in Fletcher's eyes.

Why do people take the thoughts and actions expressed by a character (and an antagonist at that) as the inention of the film? It's clearly not that at all.

>>54098050
He didn't realize he had different sheet music until right when the song started. You really think he would just get up and leave the second the song started and say "oh sorry band and audience I forgot to mention that I'm actually sick"?

He leaves because he has just suffered immense humiliation. I think it's implied that he thought he was good enough to at least imrpovise with the song and save himself, but it quickly becomes apparent that he can't do that and he embarasses himself instead. So he says "fuck this I'm ruined" and storms off before realizing that the only way to save any chance of a professional career is to go back out their and play. It was basically fight of flight by this point like "I already fucked up I can either leave it fucked up or take one last shot and redeem myself".

This is a pretty common trope in movies so I really don't know why it bothered you. It's like people think this is a live concert or some shit, it's a fucking movie with actors made in Hollywood it's going to have some exaggerated shit in it, but you're supposed to look past that.

>>54095798
As a jazz enthusiast, I liked the movie, but as a lot of people have already said, it doesn't make much justice to jazz musicians.

Too much technicality over creativity with cheap cinematographic effects (like bleeding for drumming too hard), but the film is objectively good so there's that.

>>54097995
Oh, did you know Jo Jones and Charlie Parker?

>>54098050
Wow there's a lot of stupid in this post, I'm gonna have to unpack it a little bit.

>why doesn't he just leave?
Ok, fair point. Maybe he thought he could wing it?

>he decides to leave the stage. Why?
Because he's fucking embarrassed, ashamed, and humiliated, you dumbshit.

>He knows most of the other songs
You don't know that.

>do his best performance possible
You really think he was in the right mindset to do that? He was shaken up really bad, and you would've been too.

>he has to get a hug from daddy first.
His dad ran back there because he saw what happened, and wanted to comfort his son. Nothing strange about that. It's made pretty clear that after hugging his dad, Andrew decides, "you know what, Fletcher won, but fuck this guy if I'm not going out with a bang." Do you really think it's strange to want to give your dad a hug after a humiliating moment like that?

> The whole movie Andrew couldn't play for more than 3 seconds without Fletcher losing his shit and complaining about tempo
We saw a few rehearsals. There were dozens we didn't get to see... because it's a movie. Also, Flethcer was impressed because Andrew stood up to him! How did you not catch that?

>now suddenly Andrew is able to keep a perfect tempo
He did fine at the earlier competition. Andrew just went fucking hard. He took all that pent-up hatred and anxiety and threw it into one badass song. Why is that so hard to believe?

>>54097995
yes anon

we all have read that article, you don't have to parrot it over and over again

>>54096036
>Is that even possible
some of the blood in the film is actually real.

>>54095964
It's mostly shitposting and telling everyone the albums they like is shitty, no matter how good or bad it maybe.

Someone said it yesterday and I'm gonna say it again

this is a sports movie with playing music instead of doing sports

for all the complaints about the movie portraying music badly, it sure gets a lot more praise on /mu/ than on /tv/

>>54097995
>instead of creativity, passion and life
>>54098209
>Too much technicality over creativity

Yea, and that was a huge theme in the movie. Is there any point to pushing yourself so hard that it's not fun anymore?
And by the way, there is totally a side of jazz music that favors technicality, precision, and musicianship over creativity, impulsivity, and just having fun. Obviously we saw that side in this movie.

>>54098313
That's also because /tv/ doesn't like movies

>>54095798
Holy shit, we're having this thread like everyday now. Fuck. I mean. It's a great movie and all. It's really beyond discussion at this point. We really just need to calm our shit about this movie.

>>54098398
it's viral marketing, same thing with that frank movie
honestly though, what better place to market this than some music forum?

>>54098414
>viral marketing

it's been like a month since the movie premiered

>>54098425
>dvd and bluray coming soon

I can't into movies that well, but it was alright. I like the score of Birdman more lmao
>>54098559
no one on /mu/ pays for physical copies of digital media

>>54098414
of course a three oscar-winning film that came out in October of last year would need to get marketed in a chinese imageboard.

And the digital version came out in January, moutbreather

>>54098559
the implication that an oscar-winning movie has to pay shills to go to the music forum on 4chan to get publicity for it's bluray release it's fucking hilarious

>>54098636
the fact that your denying that people don't market shit here is hilarious..

>>54098668
>heh nothing personnel kid

>>54098668
they do for sure but you're being an absolute madman about it. you can't be that paranoid about it. even if they are marketing it, attack the content of the movie itself, don't indulge your obscure-ass paranoia because no one else cares.

>>54098668
/mu/ is a minor board on 4chan

if there was a hundred thousand people on average browsing this board, it still wouldn't be worth the effort, but as it is, I doubt there's even 3000 different unique posters on /mu/ at any given time

>>54098668
>marketing an oscar-winning movie on a small music forum filled wih people that would torrent it to watch it

You need to go outside more man

>>54098668
Anon confirmed to be noided.

>>54098668

>>54098668
wait a minute I just realized

>your denying that people don't market here

So you're saying that people don't market here ok now it makes more sense

>>54098334
Actually, you look at even the most technical musicians like Anthony Braxton or Eric Dolphy and they are still all about expression their techincal prowess through creativity. A musician that can only keep a fast tempo and doesn't actually listen to or share music with others (Andrew isn't in any bands, we never see him even talking to other students about music) means absolutely nothing at all. A kid like that would never be anything more than a passing fad in the jazz world, and that's what the movie misses.

>>54095862
Topkek

>>54099361
No shit Anthony Braxton and Eric Dolphy are all about expression when they're mostly free jazz musicians.

>>54095876

>>54096036
your criticizing the movie for not getting technical enough to include him getting tendinitis? you realizes thats not how movies work?

>>54097495
the question is will that bother you enough to make it a bad movie?