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And like 10 great ones?

>>54072959
I think you forgot to type 1. As in, there are 13 good songs in this which is correct.

>>54072970
This. The only non excellent track is Sloop John B, which is alright but by no means something I'd actually choose to listen to.

The only song that shouldn't be there is Sloop John B

Other than that, every song is at least pretty good, with the great ones being God Only Knows, I Just Wasn't Made for these Times, Let's Go Away for Awhile, Don't Talk and Wouldn't it Be Nice

SMiLE is of course far better, and I still don't understand why people are still shitting themselves over Pet Sounds when we basically have it. That brilliant suite from Wonderful through Surf's Up tops in their discography with ease. Along with Heroes and Villains and Good Vibrations, it's a winner

>>54073024
>>54073042
Sloop John B is fantastic, you fugs.

>>54073048
>I am a plebeian, please rape my face

>>54073042
I've come to hate Good Vibrations from overplay, that theremin and also the fact that it was used in commercials for some shitty local store in my city.

As much as SMiLE is good, it varies since some versions are better than others. I personally have the soniclovessomething version which is really good. The version on the SMiLE sessions box set was very thin and bare sounding, so I didn't enjoy that one.

>>54073054
Whom are you quoting?

>>54073065
Anonymous

>>54073062
The version of Good Vibrations on Smiley Smile isn't the real version

>>54073042
Pet Sounds is just a lot more clear and cohesive, everything flows so well. You just can't compare a unfinished album with a finished album.

Also everything in SMiLE after surf's up just feels so weird and unrelated, it's like it's all just thrown in there.

it's still fantastic though.

strange, pet sounds is one of the legendary records but nobody ever carried the style/made music that sounded heavily influenced by it

at least successfully

>>54073079
SMiLE has been finished since 2004, so of course I can compare them. I don't get why people say it's not cohesive when there's so many call backs and motifs and suites that fit together. You have Our Prayer through Cabin Essence, you have Wonderful through Surf's Up, and you have Workshop through Good Vibrations. I get how you could see the last part as unrelated musical vignettes, but it works fine. That's how it was composed anyway, with little bits and pieces that could go on forever. Pet Sounds is simply a collection of great pop songs, not a cohesive piece, so I don't see your point

Besides, that's such a ridiculous way to judge a record and I don't know why so many people do. Don't the compositions themselves matter more than whether you consider them to "flow" together?

>>54073094
Skylarking? Song Cycle? Person Pitch?

>I personally have the soniclovessomething version
What?

>>54073145
second half meant for

>>54073062

>>54073145
Well Song Cycle is hard to count considering Van Dyke Parks co-wrote SMiLE...

>>54073176
Replace it with Olivia Tremor Control or something then

>>54073135
Sure there are callbacks and motifs and things that go well but everything past surf's up just feels so random.

People talk about the choesivness of albums because an artist will mostly try to make an album more of an "experience" as you can say, more than just a bunch of songs being thrown together, and Brian really tried to do that with Pet Sounds, especially after he heard Rubber Soul (and he succeeded too). If you listened to Pet Sounds and all you've heard is a collection of great pop songs, you probably just didn't listen to it with enough attention or just not enough to see it.

Also I find the compositions of Pet Sounds to be much better than SMiLE, especially in it's unfinished state (assuming we're talking about Smile Sessions). SMiLE is just filled with small sinppets which makes it feel all over the place compared to the incredibly well structured songs in pet sounds. The compositions of Pet Sounds has a lot more repitition which is a good thing. In places where a SMiLE composition would present an idea but then abandon it, a Pet Sounds composition will mostly present an idea, but then go back to it which gives you a feeling of closure (which is also a good and important thing).

All in all it just goes down to personal taste I guess.

>>54073223
>If you listened to Pet Sounds and all you've heard is a collection of great pop songs, you probably just didn't listen to it with enough attention or just not enough to see it.
Bullshit. It's still one of my favorite albums, it's when you single out it's cohesiveness in particular as something that adds to it's greatness it makes me question your judgment. What do you even mean if that's _all_ I've heard when I listen to it? I don't know about you, but I don't call pop songs great unless I really fucking mean it

What I mean is I'd rather have a record with stronger composition than a record with stronger cohesiveness, although both is obviously ideal

>SMiLE is just filled with small snippets
And each of those small snippets are perfectly crafted. The way it's made is that all those snippets could fit anywhere, and last as long or as short as they want to. It's weird but it reminds me of Donuts in that way. The thing is all of these little musical vignettes could be expanded into their own song a la Pet Sounds, but it works without that because it's 19 tracks long. It doesn't need to do that. A lot of it's like Let's Go Away for Awhile on Pet Sounds. It's fine how it is

What it's lacking in structure it makes up for in scope and compositional excellence

>Bothering to argue in this thread
>Replying to bait
>Caring what some random other person thinks
>Wasting your time

>>54073361
glad meme

>>54073361
You know /mu/ can actually be used to discuss music as well as memes

>>54073350
>What I mean is I'd rather have a record with stronger composition than a record with stronger cohesiveness, although both is obviously ideal
oh yea, I absolutely I agree with that. I also think both Pet Sounds and SMiLE have great compositions as well as great cohesiveness. But Pet Sounds just does both better imo.

Honsetly, I agree with your points I just think that Pet Sounds is better. SMiLE is definitely well composed and it's my second favorite album just behind Pet Sounds. I just think Pet Sounds reached heights that no pop band/album ever came close to (SMiLE did though). I think that Surf's Up is a better song than anything presented in Pet Sounds as it's also my favorite song.

How would you rank the rest of their discography based on what you've heard?

Yeah, I think we're mostly in agreement and that we just have slightly different preferences. It's good that we both love the Beach Boys though

I'd say after Pet Sounds and SMiLE:

Surf's Up
Smiley Smile
Today
20/20
Sunflower
Love You
Wild Honey
Friends

I'm not good at ranking though, a few of these could be switched around depending on the day

>>54073528
Ever listened to Holland? it's pretty underrated imo.

The instrumentals are pretty weak.

>>54073567
I'll check it out, gonna listen to Summer Days next though

>>54073610
Are you actually, legitimately, literally, seriously for real, mate?

>>54073613
summer days is fantastic too. Honestly, everything they did from 64 - 73 is just fantastic.

>>54073619
That thing looks like Brian

I just want to say that A Day in the Life of a Tree is an incredible track. Actually, the final three tracks of Surf's Up make an an amazing trilogy.

>>54073632
I had a feeling it'd be appropriate for this thread.

>>54073619
Yes, theres nothing special about them.

>muh lsd

>>54073632
>you will never pinch those nipples
why live

>>54073643
>implying

They're just gorgeous tracks.

>>54073048
I seriously never get the hate. It's such a fun song and fits on the album perfectly.

Don't Talk is sort of the filler track.

>>54073528
If you put Today, you gotta put Summer Days there (which I like better). Even All Summer Long is very close to them.

>>54073715
>Don't Talk is sort of the filler track.
>Don't Talk is sort of the filler track.
>Don't Talk is sort of the filler track.
I just can't get this sentence to make sense in my head.

Student Demonstration Time is fun and catchy.

The only thing I don't like about Pet Sounds are the fade outs. That usually doesn't bother me, but most of the songs fade out so soon, especially on Let's Go Away for a While.
I always really wish it continued for just a little longer. Actually, that seems to be a problem on a lot of Beach Boys songs, as I'm finding out. I'm only just now getting into them.

>>54073715
You're such a bad guy I think

The fact that you think All Summer Long is anywhere near Today makes it pretty unsurprising that you like Sloop John B and not Don't Talk

>>54073715
>Don't Talk is sort of the filler track.

Maybe people don't like Sloop John B. because it's not really an original song for them. I like it, but I can see how it feels out of place since it was written by different people.

>>54072959
>tfw you just noticed the hidden black goat in front of Carl on that cover.

Holy shit, I always thought that was part of his black coat.

>>54073738
Not that guy but All Summer Long is basically the first album of that era and really the most consistent album put out by them at that time. Songs like We'll Run Away and even the title track. Today! is definitely better than Summer Days and Summer Nights though

>>54073841
Get Around is a fucking god tier beach boys song too

>>54073528
This is their second best album

>>54073854
I Get Around, yeah
it's like avant pop for the time, definitely unique, otherworldly even

>>54073858
It's really a Brian Wilson solo album
it's good but not as good as albums like smile if you can even count that or even sunflower, surf's up or friends, i actually even like 20/20 more

i'm really a fan of adult/child and landlocked

nah more like 1 good song

Anyone who doesn't think sloop john b isnt fantastic is objectively a pleb. I use to be like you and then left my pleb ways

>>54073953
>Anyone who doesn't think sloop john b isnt fantastic is objectively a pleb.
>doesn't
>isn't

Are you perhaps confused?

>>54073135
>SMiLE has been finished since 2004

are you seriously telling me you think this makes it complete? brian circa 2004 wasn't exactly in the same state of mind as brian circa '66-'67. face it dude, smile as it was originally intended will always remain unfinished. bwp smile is just questionable sequences with some pretty neat additions by darian.

>>54073135
also pet sounds is totally cohesive, what are you talking about? it's at the very least a song cycle about isolation and love, or often lack thereof. but i would go so far as to say it tells a story with its songs, whether that's by design or not.

>>54073042
>The only song that shouldn't be there is Sloop John B

I don't get why people still think this. It fits in thematically and musically, and in terms of Brian's production techniques. Unless you're a rockist who hates covers in any shape or form, I don't see how you could think SJB shouldn't be on Pet Sounds.

>>54073062
Have you heart Ultra SMiLE '67? Found on the Beach Boys subreddit. It's probably the most adventurous of the fan-made versions I've listened to. I do agree that the Smile Sessions version is kind of bare, even if it is the most "pure" way to listen to the album.

>>54073135
>Pet Sounds is simply a collection of great pop songs, not a cohesive piece, so I don't see your point

Pet Sounds is absolutely cohesive though. At the very least, it's a song cycle about love (and sometimes the lack thereof) and social isolation. But I'd go so far as to say that it tells an actual story with its songs, whether that be by design or not.

>>54073094
Person Pitch is cited as a modern Pet Sounds all of the time, and it's totally apt.

>>54073896
Man, I can see liking Surf's Up/Sunflower/Friends over Love You, but 20/20? An album that starts with fucking Do It Again and ends with rehashed SMiLE material shouldn't be above Love You in any way imo.

My top 10 because it's exhausting to type all of the albums I've listened to out:

Pet Sounds
Smile Sessions
Surf's Up
Sunflower
Today!
Smiley Smile
Friends
Love You
Summer Days
Wild Honey

>>54073567
Holland is pretty cool, but my favorite part of it is the 7" that they included with it, Mount Vernon and Fairway. Have you listened to it? It's cool as fuck. There's a track on a box set that's just the instrumentals from it and I love them. One of my favorite things Brian did in the 70s. It's some proto elephant 6 shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uio_cnWZMsM

is pet sounds mucore? i'm just glad to see it getting so much discussion

captcha: aybro

>>54074285
I guess. We redid the /mu/core chart like two months ago and iirc it was in the top 10. It gets memed on enough that it's probably /mu/core.

It seems like only just recently has it been getting discussed to the point of there being at least one thread a day about it. Even if the OP is posting something negative it always turns into a happy circlejerk of ranking songs and albums and posting pics of Brian. It's nice having you guys around because I wouldn't know what to do with these pics without these threads.

>>54074230
I haven't heard Mount Vernon and Fairway yet though i'm planning too. Where were the instrumental? are they on youtube?

>>54074345
now that you're it there are really not enough brian pics here

>>54074379
>I haven't heard Mount Vernon and Fairway yet though i'm planning too.

It's definitely interesting. I can kind of see why they didn't include it on the album since it has that spoken word thing going on, but then again a lot of The Beaks of Eagles is Mike Love just talking, so I still kind of don't get why they didn't include it. Apparently it really brought Brian down.

There's a link to the instrumental in the youtube video I linked.

>>54074391
There are never enough Brian pics.

>>54074439
>Apparently it really brought Brian down.
;_;

everything was so shitty at the time for brian... You know they went to holland to help with Brian's depression at the time?

>There's a link to the instrumental in the youtube video I linked.
I listened to it and it was just fantastic. great Brian material. Is it all of the music in Mount Vernon and Fairway?

>>54074535
>everything was so shitty at the time for brian... You know they went to holland to help with Brian's depression at the time?

It's just such a bummer. Nothing could have helped the poor guy out of the funk he was in. But it sure as hell would have been a good decision to just put Mount Vernon on the album. Not like it was gonna sell well anyway. These guys were on a constant downhill commercially since Do It Again and here they are acting they've got something to lose if they include Brian's weird fairy tale thing on the album.

I honestly like all of the Beach Boys (even Mike to a much lesser extent than the others) but they all had some missteps when it came to handling Brian's mental state.

>I listened to it and it was just fantastic. great Brian material. Is it all of the music in Mount Vernon and Fairway?

Yeah. It's all interspersed with the narration of the fairy tale, and sometimes one of those sections is reused. I think the first minute or so is used a lot.

>>54074668
>I honestly like all of the Beach Boys (even Mike to a much lesser extent than the others) but they all had some missteps when it came to handling Brian's mental state.
yea they just had no idea what they were handling with.

What do you think caused his depression and generally bad state? was it the smile thing? or maybe he always had it in him.

>Yeah. It's all interspersed with the narration of the fairy tale, and sometimes one of those sections is reused
too bad. I'll still listen to the full thing anyway.

beach boys are overhyped trash

>>54074764

>>54074716

Not him, but I honestly think that if he did as much acid as is claimed, he was probably just not satisfied with the world. Acid is great, but on top of feeling the beauty, it can also make you realize how shitty the world is and how it is set up to put people down. I also think human beings are predisposed to be awful/evil, which I'm sure bugged him constantly

>>54074716
>What do you think caused his depression and generally bad state? was it the smile thing? or maybe he always had it in him.

Jesus, a lot of things. In general he was a very tender, fragile soul (still is, I would say). But he was doing everything at this stage. Speed, coke, drinking and smoking, and eating way too much as well. He suffered auditory hallucinations ever since he dropped acid and went through bouts of paranoia during the Smile sessions. Add to that some daddy issues and a general "softness" as far as his personality goes, and you've got a mess of a human being. He had a lot of uphill battles to fight throughout his life.

>too bad. I'll still listen to the full thing anyway.

Yeah, it's only like 12 minutes so there's not a lot of room for music. I really like the music more in the context of the narrative. It fits in well with the sound collages and the sonics of the narration itself which is delivered in a low, gravelly voice provided by Jack Rieley. That guy's voice was so delicious sounding.

>>54074774
and their fanbase is too

>>54074777
Nice trips, checked.

>>54074863
I guess we whould just be happy that brian is still with us today and that his mental state is pretty good. Though he does seem to interact in a different way with people (his grammy speech, and just behaving weird in some interviews).

>>54075017
Yeah he doesn't seem 100% there but it's a miracle that he's as stable as he is, both physically and mentally. If fate is kind he'll outlive Mike.