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54055175 No.54055175 [Reply] [Original]

Can someone explain what this is? I've been hearing it thrown around a lot lately.

>> No.54055201

>>54055175
>I've been hearing it thrown around a lot lately.
If that was true you'd be able to figure out its meaning via context

>> No.54055207

meme

>> No.54055225

Pretending to like pop music in an attempt to be eclectic

>> No.54055238

>>54055175
Supporting modern pop music

A form of extreme anti "le wrong generationism"
A belief that modern pop music is often of a high quality

>> No.54055247
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54055247

Rockists and poptimists are the new bloods and crips. Pick a side /mu/, and fight to the death.

>> No.54055266

>>54055175
Post-ironically enjoying pop music

>I follow pop culture.
>Drake, Beyonce, I LOVE THAT SHIT.
>I watch the grammys
>I listen to both mainstream music AND indie! I'm a new breed of cultured
>I love tweeting about the NBA
>I love live tweeting about the VMAs and Grammys
>Did you all see the NBA All Star game?
>KENDRICKS NEW SINGLE JUST DROPPED FUCK.
>Yeezy season approaching
>Check out this meme I made, it references Drake and a new movie that just came out
Beyonce be like
>Jay-Z be like
>Nicki Minaj be like
>I ALSO LISTEN TO SWANS THO. IM CULTURED THO
>Bae. Keep calm and smoke a blunt. Emojis. I embrace memes and trends. But post-ironically.
WOW. I want my girlfriend to hear Deangelos voice while we have sex.
>pitchfork.com, stereogum, consequence of sound, nba.com, grantland, I'm in the know

>I EMBRACE THIS GENERATION!!!

>> No.54055287

>>54055266
pretty accurate

>> No.54055292

>>54055225
i'd say that it probably has more to do with not being "rockist" (i.e like wihite male music that stole from black artists and failed to include women [i never got that last one, society decided what was popular not the patriarchy or some other bullshit]) it really is more of an outgrowth of SJW internet culture and self censorship in my opinion

>> No.54055310

It's all about acceptance; a rejection of the notion that one should dislike or avoid pop just because it appeals to a lower intellect and panders to the plebs.

>> No.54055321

>>54055266
nice pasta

>> No.54055323

>>54055266
>I ALSO LISTEN TO SWANS THO. IM CULTURED THO

It's ALWAYS reunion-era Swans too. These kids are too afraid to even touch Cop or Children of God.

>> No.54055337

>>54055266
this so hard.
It's hurts my head how tryhard this is.

>> No.54055363

New sincerity is encouraging the youth of today to embrace lowbrow anti-intellectualism without feeling the healthy amount of associated shame that a person should normally feel. I wonder who's behind it?

>> No.54055365

>>54055310
we'll just keep avoiding it because it's shit then

>> No.54055375

>>54055323
They can't handle soundtracks either :(
People want to be accepted by everybody.

>> No.54055389

The embrace of mediocrity

>> No.54055423

Not too long ago, I completed the annual music geek’s ritual of filling out my ballot for The Village Voice’s vaunted Pazz & Jop poll. During the past 40 years, The Voice has surveyed critics on their favorite albums and singles in an effort to create something approaching a consensus. In scrambling to put together a Top 10 list that I could live with, I poked through my iTunes playlists, looked at other critics’ 10-bests (it’s allowed!) and flipped through essays by everyone from The New Yorker’s Sasha Frere-Jones to the tastemakers at Pitchfork. My survey of 2013’s critical landscape only reinforced something I’ve suspected for some time now: Music criticism has gotten really weird.

The New Yorker devotes pages to praising the comeback album by Britney Spears. Eight of the 12 essays in last year’s Slate Music Club focused primarily on the kinds of artists normally found on the Billboard Hot 100. (One was actually about the Billboard Hot 100 itself.) The higher reaches of the 2013 Pazz & Jop singles list were dominated by artists like Lorde, Robin Thicke and Icona Pop. The fourth-best album was Beyoncé’s December surprise, which had already prompted a near-avalanche of 140-character hosannas and substantially longer think pieces.

>> No.54055444

>>54055423
A Grantland article published a few months ago was illustrative of this new mode of critical thought. The author described being disappointed with the new Beyoncé album after having listened to it some 20 times, before eventually changing his mind and pleading guilty to deviations from orthodoxy. “I was wrong to say that I didn’t like the Beyoncé album after two days,” he wrote, eventually concluding by admonishing any others who had not yet seen the light: “If you don’t like the new Beyoncé album, re-evaluate what you want out of music.”

The reigning style of music criticism today is called “poptimism,” or “popism,” and it comes complete with a series of trap doors through which the unsuspecting skeptic may tumble. Prefer Queens of the Stone Age to Rihanna? Perhaps you are a “rockist,” still salivating over your old Led Zeppelin records and insisting that no musical performer not equipped with a serious case of self-seriousness and, probably, a guitar, bass and drums is worthy of consideration. Find Lady Gaga’s bargain basement David Bowie routine a snooze? You, my friend, are fatally out of touch with the mainstream, with the pop idols of the present. You are, in short, an old person. Contemporary music criticism is a minefield rife with nasty, ad hominem attacks, and the most popular target, in recent years, has been those professing inadequate fealty to pop.

>> No.54055474

>>54055444
Poptimism is a studied reaction to the musical past. It is, to paraphrase a summary offered by Kelefa Sanneh some years ago in The New York Times in an article on the perils of “rockism”: disco, not punk; pop, not rock; synthesizers, not guitars; the music video, not the live show. It is to privilege the deliriously artificial over the artificially genuine. It developed as an ideology to counteract rockism, the stance held by the sort of critic who, in Sanneh’s words, whines “about a pop landscape dominated by big-budget spectacles and high-concept photo shoots” and reminisces “about a time when the charts were packed with people who had something to say, and meant it, even if that time never actually existed.”

Poptimism wants to be in touch with the taste of average music fans, to speak to the rush that comes from hearing a great single on the radio, or YouTube, and to value it no differently from a song with more “serious” artistic intent. It’s a laudable goal, emerging in part from the identity politics of the 1990s and in part from a desire to undo the original sin of rock ’n’ roll: white male performers’ co-opting of established styles and undeservedly receiving credit as musical innovators. Jody Rosen, a music critic I admire greatly, admitted as much in Slate in 2006, writing that “many of my colleagues, like me, have embraced the anti-rockist critique with particular fervor as a kind of penance, atoning for past rockist misdeeds — for the party line we’d swallowed whole in our formative years and maybe even parroted under our bylines.”

>> No.54055478

>>54055423
I'm just thinking the big labels are paying them off to bring back pop music.
it's working anyway

I mean pitchork literatlly gives mainstream acts good ratings every one of them obvious bribes

>> No.54055489

>>54055363
Thanks Obama!

>> No.54055496

>>54055478
>to bring back pop music.
When did it ever leave?

>> No.54055520

>>54055474
Rosen is describing poptimism as a reaction to what I think of as “Rolling Stone disease,” whereby Bob Dylan and Bruce Springsteen were treated as geniuses and the likes of Marvin Gaye and Madonna as mere pop singers. Obviously there should be no test of race or gender in musical immortality. But now the reaction has swamped the initial problem and created a wildly distorted version of the music world in 2014, as reflected in the way it’s covered.

Poptimism now not only demands devotion to pop idols; it has instigated an increasingly shrill shouting match with those who might not be equally enamored of pop music. Disliking Taylor Swift or Beyoncé is not just to proffer a musical opinion, but to reveal potential proof of bias. Hardly a week goes by in music-critic land without such accusations flying to and fro. In one particularly ugly contretemps a few years back, led by prominent critics, the indie hero Stephin Merritt of the Magnetic Fields was accused of being a racist for expressing his appreciation for the song “Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah,” from the (actually racist) Disney musical “Song of the South,” and his general dislike of hip-hop.

>> No.54055547

>>54055266
is this a pasta now or are you just obsessed with re-posting this

>> No.54055548

>>54055520
The music historian Ted Gioia recently argued in a pointed Daily Beast article that “music criticism has turned into lifestyle reporting,” more interested in breakups and arrests than in-depth musical analysis. He has a point, although the culprit is not rampant musical illiteracy on the part of critics or the factthat not everyone is Lester Bangs reincarnate, as he suggests. The problem may very well be that music criticism has become so staunchly descriptivist.

I spend most of my time, professionally speaking, writing about movies and books, and during quiet moments, I like to entertain myself by imagining what might happen if the equivalent of poptimism were to transform those other disciplines. A significant subset of book reviewers would turn up their noses at every mention of Jhumpa Lahiri and James Salter as representatives of snobbish, boring novels for the elite and argue that to be a worthy critic, engaged with mass culture, you would have to direct the bulk of your critical attention to the likes of Dan Brown and Stephenie Meyer. Movie critics would be enjoined from devoting too much of their time to “12 Years a Slave” (box-office take: $56 million) or “The Great Beauty” ($2.7 million), lest they fail to adequately analyze the majesty that is “Thor: The Dark World” ($206.2 million). What if New York food critics insisted on banging on about the virtues of Wendy’s Spicy Chipotle Jr. Cheeseburger? No matter the field, a critic’s job is to argue and plead for the underappreciated, not just to cheer on the winners.

>> No.54055563

>>54055496
It never left for say
but you cant deny for a good awhile the big thing was to trash pop music. and ride the "hipster" train and follow indie rock and such sticking it to the "man"

>> No.54055570

>>54055548
The issue is not attention — any critic who ignored mass taste entirely would be doing his or her readers a disservice — so much as it is proportion. Music critics are as snobbish as any other variety of critic, but lately, their snobbishness has been devoted to demonstrating just how unsnobbish they are. Given Katy Perry’s string of No. 1 hits, a well-honed argument about her appeal is a welcome addition to the musical conversation. But should gainfully employed adults whose job is to listen to music thoughtfully really agree so regularly with the taste of 13-year-olds?

Poptimism has become a cudgel with which to selectively club music that aims for something other than the whoosh of an indelibly catchy riff. Its Kryptonite is indie rock, subjected to repeated assaults for its self-seriousnessand rockist fervor. Bands? With guitars? And sometimes with beards? Don’t ever tell a poptimist critic that you love the Strokes’ later albums or think the National are geniuses (guilty on both counts). “Rock music,” Slate’s Carl Wilson sniffed when reviewing the National’s most-recent album, “has died and gone to graduate school.”

>> No.54055582

>>54055547
it's a pasta, but a truthful pasta

>> No.54055586

>>54055547
is there a difference?

>> No.54055593

>>54055563
Are you only familiar with music trends within the last 8 years or something?

>> No.54055595

>>54055478
It is the intellectual justification of mediocre music's merit.

There is nothing more to it than that, I'm not going to read any of these long winded, empty pastas in this thread that don't really amount to anything.

>> No.54055604

>>54055266
All of this is fine outside of the attention whoring, the grammys, and the last quarter of the post.

>> No.54055624

>>54055570
So why is music criticism more or less alone in this affectation? Unlike those other disciplines, it has had to wrestle with the fact that music is now effectively free. Music criticism’s former priority — telling consumers what to purchase — has been rendered null and void for most fans. In its stead, I believe, many critics have become cheerleaders for pop stars.

It is no accident that poptimism is an Internet-era permutation. Obsessive coverage of stars like Drake and Justin Bieber drives Web traffic in a way that more judicious, varied coverage of the likes of, say, the Tuareg guitar wizard Bombino generally cannot. Once, we learned about new music by listening to the radio, reading Spin or watching MTV. Today MTV is largely a reality-TV channel, and most people prefer their iPods or Spotify playlists or Pandora stations to fusty radio programming.
>>54055595
>I am not going to read intelligent discourse on the subject op specifically asked about
lel

>> No.54055650

>>54055624
>sentences filled with nothing
>intelligent discourse

Yeah no, it's like reading a pitchfork article.

>> No.54055653

>>54055624
In this way, poptimism embraces the familiar as a means of keeping music criticism relevant. Click culture creates a closed system in which popular acts get more coverage, thus becoming more popular, thus getting more coverage. But criticism is supposed to challenge readers on occasion, not only provide seals of approval.

In this light, poptimism can be seen as an attempt to resuscitate the unified cultural experience of the past, when we were all, at least in theory, listening together to “Sgt. Pepper’s” or “Thriller.” The dissolution of a shared musical mainstream means that my Speedy Ortiz or Ka may be gobbledygook to someone whose musical hero is Sky Ferreira. But the splintering of tastes should be celebrated, not treated as further cause for doubling down on our focus on a few familiar stars or sounds. Let a thousand Haims bloom!

>> No.54055656

>>54055604
>outside of the attention whoring
but thats the entire thing

>> No.54055670

>>54055593
Yes I'd say so.
educate me further I would like to know me

>> No.54055684

>>54055650
>I know there's nothing there even though I didn't read it
lel
>>54055670
This sort of thing has been happening for at least 50 years you nitwit

>> No.54055703

>>54055266
>mfw I naturally came to this because I like /mu/-core and started to like pop music.
>mfw I've been this for 6 months
when did "poptimist" become a thing?

I don't live-tweet or watch NBA or toke or any shit.

>> No.54055706

>>54055653
In the guise of open-mindedness and inclusivity, poptimism gives critics — and by extension, fans — carte blanche to be less adventurous. If we are all talking about Miley Cyrus, then we do not need to wrestle with knottier music that might require some effort to appreciate. And so jazz and world music and regional American genres are shunted off to specialized reviewers, or entirely ignored. If this sounds like a fundamental challengeof the contemporary world — preserving complexity and nuance in a world devoted to bite-size nuggets of easy-to-swallow, predigested information — it should.

Poptimism diminishes the glory of music by declaring, repeatedly and insistently, that this is all it can do. But there is always more to the story. Critics of all stripes have the privilege of devoting their professional lives to hacking a path through the thicket of cultural abundance. There is, now more than ever, too much to listen to, too much to watch, too much to read. All we can do is point out some highlights of our journey. Criticism matters because its virtues are profoundly human ones: honesty, curiosity, diligence, pluralism. We should never sacrifice any of those in the name of an artificial consensus.

And get that Speedy Ortiz album. It’s killer.

>> No.54055707

>>54055201
>implying the average comment on /mu/ is articulate enough to provide proper context for the words therein

>> No.54055715

>>54055548
>rampant musical illiteracy on the part of critics
I know you're only pasta-ing an article so I'm not addressing you specifically, but does anyone know exactly how true this is? I don't get the impression critics, the tastemakers, know jack shit about music, though I do wonder precisely how bad it is. Do they have a music degree? Have they done other music related jobs? Or are they just writers who write adjectives about commercial CDs?

>> No.54055744

>>54055656
You can enjoy those things without demanding attention from people.
>Look at me, I'm so indie!
Is straight attention whoring.

>> No.54055760

>>54055684
I did read it, nothing significant was said that couldn't be put in much simpler terms, this is what Orwell meant when he mentioned abuse of language.

Terse, practical sentences are far more effective than needlessly embellished pseudo-intellectual drivel.

>> No.54055779

>>54055595
>being this close minded

enjoy your short life

>> No.54055786

>>54055323
Yeah they're just not brave and hardened enough like you to take on that monumental music

>> No.54055794

>>54055760
>nothing significant was said that couldn't be put in much simpler terms
Not relevant.
>>54055715
>but does anyone know exactly how true this is?
The lack of terminology and lack of any musical analysis on a theory level is a dead giveaway.

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54055808

I was poptimist before it was cool

>> No.54055822

>>54055744
>Look at me, i'm listening to pop music!

>> No.54055859
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54055859

pop music is disposable, lady gaga were huge a few years ago, now she is irrelevant, who knows, a few years from now taylor swift could be irrelevant too.
Music critics switched from being snobby about rock music to being snobby about pop music.

People will still be waiting for the new radiohead album

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54055911

>>54055266
>KENDRICKS NEW SINGLE JUST DROPPED FUCK

This always gets me, because oftener than not it's always people who I know/suspect don't care much for the artist in question or even the genre.

I don't know why other twenty-somethings are so terrified to sit some pop-culture things out. Like that dress thing: the minute I saw that picture more than once in social media, I knew very clearly to not engage.

That other shit is annoying as well.

>> No.54055967

fuck this, mainstream pop music is filled with commercial, repetitive, bandwagonesque artists that do this only for the money, besides they're obsessed with image and circlejerking

if you don't agree with this, don't perpetuate it. support your local scene, bands and venues. we don't need this shit & we can be constructive, sharing and discussing (real) underground music

>> No.54055990

>>54055779
I don't even necessarily disagree with what is said in that stupid pasta. Simply put, it is bad writing attempting to justify something that doesn't need any justification whatsoever.

People don't need a reason to like pop music, they can like whatever they want, but to write five pages of pretentious material with all the informational value of bran isn't going to help them, it just makes them look like insecure hacks trying to salesmen their way through selling records.

>> No.54055992

Whenever I think too hard about it I'm baffled why and how pop music exists. It has virtually never advanced, in fact getting more homogenous over time. Probably everything that will come out in the next decade will be inferior to the great American songbook which took off literally a century ago. How is this pop crap being so successfully pushed onto the entire population when it's entirely redundant aside from superficial aesthetic changes?

>> No.54055999

>>54055363
>without feeling the healthy amount of associated shame that a person should normally feel

Oh, they feel it. Witness how ardently 40-somethings try to defend their reading YA lit.

>> No.54056014

>>54055967
>support your local scene, bands and venues. we don't need this shit & we can be constructive, sharing and discussing (real) underground music
Those artists are also bandwagonesue, image-obsessed and in it for the money, image obsessed

>> No.54056019

>>54055859
Personally I think Lady Gaga is gonna be pretty consistent in her music output, even if she's outside of the spotlight. The bizarre nature of her image got her attention and a following, and now she's expanding into other genres and trying to prove herself as a bonafide musician who doesn't just do pop music. I imagine it'd take a bit for her to disappear, I'm sure we'll eventually see more ventures into other genres like Cheek to Cheek.

>> No.54056031

>>54055967
underground is dead fam :(
>>54055684
Oh I didn't know that I guess it's just more obvious know because of the internet?

>> No.54056036

>>54056014
Most post-2010 music is

>> No.54056053

>>54056019
littrrly no one cared about her boring ass jazz album dude

>> No.54056085

>implying there's any meaning to music other than how pleased you felt whilst listening to it

>> No.54056090

>>54055967
My local scene is shitty hardcore bands and uninspired singer songwriter shit.

>> No.54056091

>>54055992
I know right? People are such idiots.

>> No.54056100

>>54055967
I have to agree on the fact that it seems a lot of people only do it for the money. When you hear that some musician didn't write the song they're singing or didn't make the beat they're singing it to, then really I don't see what makes them anything more than a puppet.

>> No.54056107

>having to justify why you like pop music
>having to justify why you like any type of music

The average person has no fucking clue about music theory or can articulate why something is "good" on a technical level regardless if they listen to jazz or pop. Listen to what you what want to for whatever you want to and if you have the music education to back up why you think something is "good" then that's awesome you're doing better than 99% of /mu/.

>> No.54056117

>>54055707
what?

>> No.54056120

>>54055990
its pretty basic writing to be honest, you just arent well versed enough.

>> No.54056121

>>54055175
Its what ruined /mu/

A once interesting board whose users loved of explore the depth and breadth of the music world got called hipster once too often by passing /b/tards that eventually along with p4k, started pretending that pop is more important to scrobble than exploring the great world of music and now this place is more like the cover of Bilboard magazine.

>> No.54056131

>>54056014
i know there are artists marketed as underground that aren't but if you like music and have some knowledge music culture you can tell who's in it for the fame

>>54056031
i don't think so. the internet didn't killed underground. it's just different

>>54056090
even in the shittiest cities there's always 10 nerds who knows every band, and there's a big chance some of them have bands. just search more, and if there isn't, just support underground music in general

>> No.54056132

>>54055992
Well is pop music really being pushed into the population? I'm no /mu/ regular, but isn't pop music per definition popular music? Surely the population either doesn't care enough about the music, or they really like it.

>> No.54056139

>>54055992
What music do you listen to?

>> No.54056158

>>54056131
they're not in it for the fame, but it certainly is all about image

>> No.54056161

>>54055266
I like pop music, and I like "indie" music. What's the problem? Do you really need to label everything to make it sound pretentious? I swear to god /mu/ is just filled with virgin robots

>> No.54056163

>>54056100
>When you hear that some musician didn't write the song they're singing or didn't make the beat they're singing it to, then really I don't see what makes them anything more than a puppet.

Then disregard them.

>>54056107
It's because they're insecure and they need to post phonebook-length pastas filled with about 3 sentences of relevant material written by someone else shilling for big labels instead of forming their own opinions for themselves like critically-thinking adults should do.

>> No.54056165

>>54056053
Don't get me wrong buddy, I haven't heard a Gaga song since Bad Romance. I'm just saying, just because the flavor of the year artist is someone else doesn't mean the former is irrelevant.

>> No.54056193

>>54055266
I guarantee that, you, and whoever wrote this, have either never been laid, or have gotten laid by pitty from some ugly chick maybe once.

>> No.54056211

>>54056120
>its pretty basic writing to be honest, you just arent well versed enough.

It's not basic for what it aims for, and what it aims for doesn't even require that amount of writing, I look at it with pity, as a waste of time.

>> No.54056233

>>54055266
>post-irony
The easiest way to identify an aging hipster

>> No.54056242

>>54056161
>>54056193
>le virgin may may

>> No.54056267

>>54056121
>great world of music

[citation needed]

>> No.54056272

>>54056158
i dont see why this is inherently bad

>>54056132
you're overlooking the power of media and advertising

>> No.54056296

>>54056132
its not being "pushed", its just that music has largely become irrelevant and relegated to background noise. having too much interest in music is a turn-off nowadays, like walking around with an invisible fedora.

>> No.54056298

>>54056132
the way of thinking is being pushed, that you are only allowed to like one form of music cause reasons.
You are not allowed to listen to pink floyd and taylor swift, just one.
And the people running the blogs are trying to show off their im not pretentious i listen to beyonce cred and showing off how not pretentious he is by listing to vapid pop music dont wont even be relevant three years from now

>> No.54056311

>>54056242
epic post you fuckin retard

>> No.54056329

>>54056296
Where are you from that this is true?

>> No.54056350

My hope is that poptimism will drag music culture to such a mentally unstimulating low that /mu/ will finally revolt against this fad by exploring art music. It's so obvious that everyone is bored when I see how active waifu threads are nowadays. It must be difficult to maintain the illusion of not being a dilettante when you're seriously paying attention to Taylor Swift. This is the perfect catalyst to motivate people going far beyond their comfort zone and into classical music. Do it out of the desperation that I know you surely feel. Let's not end up like /tv/.

>> No.54056381

>>54056311
>>54056193
>Trying this hard to be "alpha" on 4chan
come on now

>> No.54056443

>>54056211
i think you are just retarded. it took me literally 2 minutes to read and was easy to understand.

>> No.54056508

>>54056381
who are you quoting

>> No.54056535

>>54056508
>>>/s4s/

>> No.54056594

>>54056443
>i think you are just retarded. it took me literally 2 minutes to read and was easy to understand.

You're missing the point here. It's not "difficult to read" it's simply boring prose dressed up in a way that doesn't interest the reader.

Bad prose kills writing, I say this as someone who writes for a living, and not shitty articles for a garbage rag that needs page space.

>> No.54056625

>>54056350
>not exploring pop music through art music
get with the times, grandfather.

>> No.54056917

>>54056535
you've tried every meme in the book

>> No.54056953

>>54055706
Who wrote this?

>> No.54056957

>>54056917
what are you even talking about

>> No.54056975

>>54056953
Saul Austerlitz

>> No.54056995

>>54056957
The green meme, the redirect to silly board meme. the meme meme. You just love your memes

>> No.54057014

>>54056995
maybe try taking a break from 4chan, not everything is a meme

>> No.54057034

>>54056975
Cool, thanks. One of the better pieces of music journalism I've read recently.

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