britpop is fuckin dead
right stuff and river man are tunesrest is pretty mehstill gives the funniest interviews
>>54038970welcome to 1997
true. i bet that this album will probably outsell and outchart the new blur record
>>54038970a britpop is alive until it commits jihad.
>>54038970this was pretty bad
has a couple good tunesnever like the name britpop tho, seems like it only applies to blur and twee stuff, like oasis is just rock as far as im concerned
>>54040642And Blur aren't rock?
>>54040692no, they're pop at best
Nothing Oasis or Noel has put out since Be Here Now has been "britpop" per se. Personally, I kinda like seeing Noel try some new stuff. Not all of it works though. Decent album. 6.5/10. First solo album was better.
>>54038970I don't know man it's like most post-Oasis Be Here Now albums. If you listen to it for what it is, you'll find some great guitar pop to enjoy, if it's not your bag, you won't. It's no Don't Believe the Truth, but it's pretty good.
>Noel Gallagher is currently number 14 in the American iTunes chart
>>54040815People are more into Oasis in America now than in any time since 1998.
>>54038970Thought this was a solid 7.5/10. Not the best in his career, but it is kinda a nice change of pace especially compared to his previous solo album. Lock All The Doors really sounds as if it could have been a rockin Oasis B-side for DM. Dying Of The Light is basically another Wonderwall, but is probably one of the more stand-out tunes in the album. Looking forward to seeing this man in concert.
>>54040898Really? I don't know anybody who listens to them in real life except my brother.
>>54040909>Looking forward to seeing this man in concert.I'm seeing him in Vegas in May.
>>54040934Well that's a perfectly representative sample you've got there.>But everybody I know voted for McGovern
>>54038970Blur are coming out with a new album though
>>54040941L.A during the same month. Really surprised how fast the tickets sold, too.
>>54040898Most of my friends here at UVA love them, I'm in a band and whenever we cover "Champagne Supernova," crowds go insane. Also if you read the music press, there's more of a respect and longing for them in their absence.
>>54040898Look at how fast concert tickets for Noel's solo shows are selling out. People miss having a band like Oasis around.
>>54040898This. Noel's tour sold out quick as hell and his album is selling well to and his singles are even getting airplay here.It's kind of funny if you compare that with Blur. They just released their new comeback single and literally nobody over in the US gave a shit at all. Their album probably won't even chart here and supposedly Damon said they might not even bother to tour North America at all except for maybe a festival or two because there's literally no demand for them there.Hell even in the UK Blur's comeback bombed pretty bad. Pre-sales for their new album fell out of the iTunes chart within a day Their single was blacklisted from radio and didn't even chart, whereas two singles from Noel's album hit the top 40 and have been embraced by rock radio and mainstream radio playlists.Noel is at the top of his solo career commercially and critically while Blur are dead on return.Oasis reunion when?
>>54041128Agreed. I was sure that Blur had broken up along time ago, and even their announcement of a new album doesn't catch my attention. There is definitely a demand for a Oasis reunion, but based on Noel's comments on Beady Eye's breakup, that seems more and more unlikely. But even so, as long as Noel keeps on being commercially successful, we'll keep on getting great the closest we can get to Oasis
Is he gonna play Wonderwall live on his upcoming tour?
Naw Suede's still at it.
>>54041412He's done a couple shows so far and it seems to be out of the setlist.
best solo gallagher songshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NMUDb3Ewhshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqJ-JCzH_xQ
>>54041128Honestly, I'm not surprised about Blur. They haven't been relevant in 20 years and nobody really wants a new blur album, which is why they went irrelevant in the first place and broke up. Their fanbase is 60 years old now and is dwindling and their music is bad as it ever was.Seriously though, Noel Gallagher as a solo act right now is far more successful in America than Blur ever were. He deserves all he can get. I can't wait to see him in May.
>>54041535Werent Blur bigger than Oasis at one point?
>>54041611In 1994, maybe, as Oasis didn't release their first album until August of that year while Blur had already hit it big with Parklife back in April. By 1995 though, Oasis was already scoring number one singles way before Blur would and setting records for largest indoor gig attendance.
>>54041732Keep in mind this is only in reference to the UK. In America, Oasis were consistently more successful than Blur in terms of airplay, album sales, video rotation, concert attendance, and celebrity status.
>>54041525My personal favshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx7I4_9c3wIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dkIRa2z47Q
>>54041128>>54041128It's all about legacy. The reason Noel is still so successful and popular today is because he's recognized as the co-frontman and lead guitarist for the biggest band of the past 30 years and one of the greatest songwriters of all time. In the years since Blur dissolved, the tide of popular and critical opinion has turned on them and they are now thought as no more than simple a flash in the pan boyband with a few decent pop hits to their name; Gorillaz is what Albarn will be remembered for.That's all it is really.
Was Oasis really that big in the 90s?
>britpop is fuckin deadwhoa bro, what an Epiphany, you hear of this new band called radiohead?
>>54041776I loved the production on BE, Sitek was a great choice for the retro future aesthetic he gave them, if only the tunes were there. Noel working with him (or a reunited Oasis) would almost certainly lead to a great LP.
>>54041877Yeah. They played a gig at Knebworth House England to 250,000 people and a total of 2 million people applied for tickets.
>>54041877In the UK, at one point 1 in 4 households owned a copy of Morning Glory. In America, Wonderwall was a #1 modern rock hit for 10 weeks and Champagne Supernova was #1 for 5 weeks. Definitely Maybe, Morning Glory, and Be Here Now collectively have sold around 40 million copies.
>>54041897That was what i thought when I first heard BE, having Sitek work with Noel seems to make more sense in my head than with Beady Eye.
>>54041979Also Oasis had like five Top 40 hits in america and several of their album sold multiple millions of copies in the US, whereas Blur's highest album charting was like 158 and their best selling album in the US (the one with "Song 2") has only sold 250,000 copies
>>54041979Not to mention that their first three albums are stilled considered the fastest and most selling albums in British history.
it was never alive. blur, oasis, the charlatans are all shit as fuck and have the worst fanbase.
>>54040815He was number 8 yesterday, plus I'm sure it's sold a bunch of physical copies as well. I'm pretty sure it's going to chart in the top 20 and probably sell more than his other album did. Hell, I actually saw some copies of it in Best Buy the other day.
>>54041611It was tit for tat up until the 3rd Oasis album came out and no one liked it, and then after that Song 2 came out so Blur kept being sorta relevant. From what I know Blur and Oasis are roughly equals in the UK but in the USA people only like Song 2 from Blur, but they love everything off What's the Story Morning Glory.Kinda shitty for me, because I really like Blur, I think Damon is very mid-McCartney Beatles. I don't mind Oasis, but I think they're simplistic and a bit dull. Like comparing Eleanor Rigby (Blur) too Hey Jude (Oasis); one is sorta complex and uses strings and much more British and the other is Anthemic and uses a hook line that carry's the tune.
>>54038970why does he look like the biggest douche bag on earth
noel needs more jazz
>>54041914https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfmpf505xf8
>>54042148He is, so he does
>>54042148because he eis the biggest douche bag on eart, behind kanye west
>>54042116>It was tit for tat up until the 3rd Oasis album came out and no one liked it, and then after that Song 2 came out so Blur kept being sorta relevant.Yeah but Supersonic, Live Forever, Rock and Roll Star, and Morning Glory were all huge rock radio hits in the US, while Blur only ever had Song 2. Plus of course the fact that Wonderwall, Champagne Supernova, and Don't Look Back In Anger were huge hits, I would say that Oasis were always bigger than Blur. Despite the backlash to Be Here Now, Standing on the Shoulders of Giants still sold several hundred thousand copies in the US and had "Go Let it Out" do pretty well on rock radio
>>54042160>1:10:25>the god-tier live version of The Masterplandamn...
>>54042213I basically said that the 2nd line. Blur went to far into the British thing, which made them a fad for a couple of years in Europe, and decently big in England. I suspect that Scotland/Wales/Ireland weren't too keen on it either. The whole American market doesn't give a shit about Britain, and it also had hip hop, grunge and alot of Alt-Rock stuff as well.I content that at the time Blur were rivals with Oasis, but like >>54041826 said, after the fact, no-one likes Blur now.
https://vimeo.com/119764029Riverman proves what a godlike genius Noel Gallagher is.I'd like to see fucking blur try to do a six minute song with saxophone solos in it.
>>54042479>https://vimeo.com/119764029I really like the vibe of this song. The guitar solo is definitely something different and that sax line after it is really well placed
>>54042479At their peak, Blur was touring with I think a 4 peice brass ensemble. No solos, but someone in Blur, probably Damon, made brass work in 90's pop when Noel was doing Wonderwall, I think renders that point sorta useless.I'm not saying that he isn't, but I think Blur were kinda expanding beyond rockist mentality long before Noel was.And seperately, I think Graham did it about 10 years ago in a solo record.
>>54042479They already did though....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCuw18yIRjE
wonderwall is the best song to come out of britain
>>54042696Same for Oasis, they had string groups to accompany them for live performances of Wonderwall, Whatever, The Masterplan and even brass for Round Are Way. I see what you mean though, I do think Blur aren't given as much credit in terms of what they really did musically
>>54042833Blur were just too british for any appeal in the US
>>54042864And let's be real here, they were just a pop band who knew which trends to capitalize on. That's why they aren't really given much credit.
>>54042882oasis were just a pop band too
>>54042906Oasis were a rock band that also made pop songs.
>>54042906oasis were rock that got on the radio
>>54042928mainstream alt-rock with catchy choruses to attract as much $$$ as possible
>>54042950But it aint easy to write a catchy hooks
I feel like the notion that Blur are super critically acclaimed and good is just revisionist history done as part of the backlash against Oasis that has occurred since Be Here Now since Blur were Oasis' direct rivals, it makes sense to constantly tout Blur as being great in order to get back at Oasis.I mean honestly, aside from the NME, maybe Rolling Stone, and Pitchfork's clearly payola reviews, Blur really always received fairly mixed reviews except for maybe Parklife in the eyes of the british press. They weren't exactly critical darlings any more than the Soup Dragons or Shed Seven were.
>>54042950Because releasing a bombastic and loud 7 and a half minute song as a lead single is totally just taking the most profitable route.
This is possibly the fairest discussion of Blur and Oasis I have ever seen on /mu/. Keep it up anons.
>>54042950Listen to more than just Wonderwall you twat. Oasis weren't some manufactured pop group like Blur. They spent 5 years touring and recording before they made it big.
>>54043024I'm glad that more people are realizing how great Oasis is, and seeing Blur for what they REALLY are. There's always a kernel of truth behind every meme, imo.
>>54043020It may have been, but even Noel himself admits that most of the tracks on Be Here Now were too damn long with way too much going on in each of them.
>>54042882You can see it like that, but I learned the bands history and then got that pointed out to me, and I dunno really. Like, especially if you go into Graham's bit, it seems to make more sense.I think Damon writes simple songs and they all come up with an arrangement, and that made Leisure sound like a shitty copy of shoegaze or baggy or whatever. I think if Graham had more control over that, Blur would sound quite different, and the return to guitar based music in the s/t album was largerly pushed by him.>>54043065Champagne Supernova has the same things. All of Oasis's hits were like that. And it's 4 years for oasis in 91-95 (I wanna say 94 because the first album broke sales records) and 5 years for blur in 89-94. And Blur actually went bankrupt in around 91.
>>54043303>blur fan
>>54043423I like both but prefer Blur.
>>54043454Pitchfork drone
>>54038970>albums better than Chasing Yesterday
>>54043463I honestly thought pitchfork hated both.
>>54043454perfectly reasonable. I actually want to give Blur a go now after reading this discussion.
>>54043454>being that guy
Oh boy, if you want to start a Noel vs. Damon debate, you should probably start a separate thread. Somehow I feel this would go farther than the discussions on their respective bands.
>>54043624meant for>>54043481
>>54043498I suggest start the singles, There's no Other Way, then Popscene and then onto Modern Life is Rubbish and go through until 13. Leave Think Tank and Leisure until after, they don't entirely represent the band properly. And also the most people think The Great Escape is a mess of an album. I honestly felt the first 3 albums have way too many songs on them, and overall they feel weaker as a result.>>54043624Personally I was disappointed in Damon's album. I got hyped because the title track is mad, but after that, it kinda lost me.
>>54043796great, thanks. I am eternally grateful based anon. I felt the same way, but I do kinda see it as a sign of better things to come from Albarn, perhaps for Blur or Gorillaz or even solo.
As someone who really enjoyed What's The Story Morning Glory?, and not for Wonderwall, what other things should I look in to? I'm looking into more Shoegazy things like My Bloody Valentine, like The Jesus and The Mary Chain and Joy Division now and I'm really enjoying them, if that opens things up a bit more. I usually see those two genres kinda close.
>>54043971I don't entirely know how it happened really. I think Damon is better writing about characters like Gorillaz and early Blur, or writing about personal experiences, which was alot of what 13 is about. I think at this point, he's just sullen and overworked, and I think it shows. Alot of Everyday Robots is about being bored out of your mind, and the rest is just about characters that are not interesting I think. Mr Tembo especially feels kinda weak or more to the point doesn't entirely fit.Looking at the tracklist, I like alot of the songs, but I suppose I had higher hopes.
>>54044144I don't see the correlation, but maybe check out Inspiral Carpets and Happy Mondays. If your more into the shoegazing thing, check out Ride as well. And obviously the Stone Roses, if you haven't got them already. Honestly, alot of those bands sound very different to me, and naming them under 'Manchester Sound' or 'Britpop' doesn't entirely make sense. Even alot of the early shoegaze bands sound quite different. I think late 80's British music was quite experimental and then in the 90's, they had got it narrowed down to what people would buy and named it Britpop.
>>54044144https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJpY6y4UJHYPerhaps the Stone Roses if haven't already heard them, they're kinda a bit of everything you listed there.>>54044165Agreed, the album does have it's ups and downs and Damon surely has some interesting ideas in ER, but i feel it really fails at keeping those ideas interesting. I think You and Me is probably a perfect example of this.
>>54043971Everyday Robots, You & Me and Photographs are GOAT
>>540441652mature4you
>>54038970Dead? Nah, there really isn't often any such thing. It definitely isn't the powerhouse in British popular music that it was in the nineties though, that's for sure. All things considered, Noel's solo efforts have been pretty solid. Nothing great, but the material he's been releasing in recent years has been a whole hell of a lot better than post-Morning Glory Oasis. And that's about as much as I can ask for. So. Yeah. I'm pretty satisfied with his output. Chasing Yesterday's alright. And I'm cool with that.
>>54038970yes, but you are 10 years late for that
>>54042950what's wrong with catchy choruses?
>>54042979Blur makes great 1/2 albums, the other half is consistently filler (except maybe 13).
>>54044686>implying Don't Believe the Truth and Dig Out Your Soul weren't decent-good albumsThey both crush his solo output, although I wouldn't call his solo stuff bad.
>>54039378Not even that funny anymore
>>54040783He's not Paul Weller, Noel is too dumb do anything interesting, his lyrics are terrible and the songs are boring with no hooks.
Noel is GOAT
>>54040745Fuck off
>>54042979Pretty much this