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how do I improvise in jazz

>> No.54015813

>>54015793
just play anything :^)

>> No.54015823

>>54015793
1. listen to note in back ground
2. play instrument when it is your turn
3. play similar note to you're band friends
4. when u get gud then u can just bee urself

>> No.54015825

>>54015793
Learn basic music theory.

>> No.54015842

>>54015793

play up a scale, and then play down the same scale half a step up

>> No.54015854

Improvising is just composing with a fucking short deadline.

>> No.54015857

>>54015825
How basic are we talking? I took piano for three years and have been playing woodwind instruments pretty well for three or four years.

>> No.54015890

Is improvising comparable to just moving between the key tones in the current chord and making an interesting melody out of it and finding ways to transition into the next chord?

>> No.54015901

if you're new to improvising either just play around with the blues scales or stick to the root notes of whatever chord is being played and you can't go wrong

>> No.54015907

git gud

>> No.54015951

follow your instincts and make sure to stay away from music theory as it limits your creativity

>> No.54015976
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54015976

press buttons on your instrument

>> No.54015980

>>54015951
haha this is like letting your piano students just bang on the keys

>> No.54016016
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>>54015951
>make sure to stay away from music theory as it limits your creativity
Is this what people too dumb to learn it tell themselves?

>> No.54016017

>>54015980
why would I take advice from a skeleton

>> No.54016033

>>54015980
I'm not fuckin trusting you

>> No.54016052

>>54015980
thank mr skeltal

>> No.54016055

>>54015951
this tbh

>> No.54016075

>>54015980
oh, you mean like a SKELETON KEY?

>> No.54016077

>>54015951
Only idiots and hacks believe this. Music theory comes with the territory of learning to play an instrument

>> No.54016085

since when was this a dubz thread?

>> No.54016505

Start simple, take it slow, play a lot, learn theory, experiment, don't be afraid to make mistakes.

Improv is basically just inventing a melody on the spot. Keep reminding yourself of that whenever you catch yourself doing too many scale runs and stupid shit like that. Improv shouldn't sound like scale practice. If you have trouble thinking of good melodies, it can help to practice without the instrument: hum, sing, whistle, whatever. Practice ear training to better recognize intervals and chords. Try to improvise sometimes without even knowing the progression or key so you're forced to to everything by ear. Learn theory, but don't let it control what you're playing: theory is good to understand and can lead to new ideas, but ideally you want to never actually think about it when playing. You'll want to end up having mastered your instrument so well that you can just think of a note and then play it without either step being a conscious process, just like you do when you're humming. Finally, gently insert your instrument into your rectum. Jazz is for faggots.

>> No.54017621

>>54016016
You either have to be autistic enough to take mechanical techniques to a new level or you keep yourself stupid enough so you cater to a soul driven sound. Anything in between is mediocre.

>> No.54017641

>>54016075
haha

>> No.54018145

>>54015793
When I played trumpet in the church band we were given chord progressions and basically given free reign to do what we wanted as long as we didn't become the main attraction or sound bad. I think that's a good way to start out.

>> No.54018260

>>54016505
what this guy said

>> No.54019028

learn how to play the head, then learn all the chords. find the right scales to play over the chords. if you get stuck, transcribe the original recordings or just play straight out of the sheets assuming you have them

>> No.54020374

>>54016505
Is this really the way to go? Two of the greatest saxophonists ever, Charlie Parker and Coltrane, seem to do quite a bit of 'technical' sounding shit all of the time in their most lauded recordings.

>> No.54020464

>>54020374
He summed it up pretty well.
just learn different songs chord progressions and rhythm changes and shit since all you'll play is standards that you can easily learn at home.
I say easily but ive been doing this for years and im still learning new shit everyday

>> No.54020487

>>54020374
he summed it up pretty well
you'll be learning a lot of standards but thats easily done at home
I've been doing it for years and im learning new songs everyday

>> No.54020497

>>54015793
learn to play inside the chords.

>> No.54020551

>>54015980
>inb4 Thelonious Monk just did that (altough following rhythm and adding a 7th to anything he pressed)

>> No.54020582

>>54015813
>free jazz

>> No.54020584

>>54015793
learn fucking modes. given a certain key (for example, G), knowing how to use modes is like having 7 different scales to play on. literally, 7 different scales that sound perfectly right in G.

>> No.54020600

>>54020551
you're an idiot.

>> No.54020611

>>54015842
maybe if you wanna sound wanky like Coltrane

>>54015854
this. you have to know what you wanna hear and work a lot at your ability to find notes when you hear them. you also have to be good at hearing your bandmates.

>>54015951
people who say that don't understand what music theory even is. I agree it's not necessary but to say it limits creativity is stupid. Understanding how something works doesn't limit what you can do with it. You aren't limited with what you can do with a car by knowing how it works.

>>54020374
thats because they are not as great as jazz fags make them out to be. it was pretty much wank a lot of the time. Listening to jazz makes you realize that, like every other genre in the world, the most hyped guy is not necessarily the best.

>> No.54020620

>>54020582
free jazz doesn't even usually work like that.

>> No.54020664 [DELETED] 

dubs still strong itt im impressed

>> No.54020669

learn to play in every key

stay away from music theory because it stifles your creativity

>> No.54020682

>>54020611
Who is a tenorman better than Coltrane?

>> No.54020704

>>54020611
Fuck off with your hipster nonsense.

>> No.54020716

>>54020611
>implying a solo can't be technical and tasteful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6liAgg4SN88

>> No.54020741

>>54015793
Learn a scale and play around in it, try and find little licks you like to play and then start to branch out of the scale and see what sounds good, assuming you're playing on guitar.

>> No.54020745

"It's not the notes you play , it's the notes you don't play"- Miles Davis

So basically you take any scale/mode and only play the notes that aren't in the scale/mode

>> No.54020761

>>54020745
L O L

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>> No.54020764

>>54020682
Lester Young, Coleman Hawkins, Dexter Gordon, Sonny Rollins I could go on. ..

>> No.54020780

>>54020745
"Music is the space between the notes."

the notes don't matter, only the rhythms matter

>> No.54020782

>>54020745
no. he's saying you should have some taste and self restraint, don't just run around doing scale runs and jacking off.

also the technique your reffering to is called "out". It was a big part of hard-bop, and free jazz

>> No.54020813

>>54020669
>learn theory
>dont learn theory

fucking pick one already, you guys are dumbshits. it's no wonder this board doesn't understand improvised music, you literally refuse to learn or even care about how music works.

>> No.54020834

>>54020745
this is what happens when you completely disregard theory

>> No.54020845

>>54020813
>gettin srs on mu

you already lost m8

>> No.54020880

>>54020682
Stan Getz, Sonny Rollins, Wayne Shorter, Coleman Hawkins, Lester Young

>>54020704
what are you specifically talking about

>>54020782
lol the post was a joke

>>54020716
I never said that and I do actually enjoy this piece along with quite a few others by him... but he is hugely overrated.

>> No.54020933

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn2DmM55sPk

Is the tenor sax player's solo/general style as shitty as I think it is? It's just kind of loud and porny and obnoxious.

>> No.54020961

>>54020682
CHRIS POTTER :^)

>> No.54020970

>>54020933
most modern jazz is loud porny and obnoxious

>> No.54020982

>>54020682
>implying music is a competiton

>> No.54020998

>>54020982
Lol implying its not. music is like one of the most competitive industries

>> No.54021010

>>54020745
>>54020782
>>54020834
Here's an example I just recorded of the miles davis method

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1d98F5h8HqZ

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1d98F5h8HqZ

>> No.54021028

>>54020933
wow this is fucking cheesy

>> No.54021053

>>54020998
so who's keeping score? how? and most importantly why?

actually comparing art is almost fundamentally contrary to art.

>> No.54021061

>>54020933
Does anybody else prefer a darker tone to this juicy and bright one that seems to be so popular?

>> No.54021086

>>54021053
yeah art is nice but having a job and making money is nicer and that is brutally competitive no question. and i know what youre gonna say: people in music for the money are in it for the wrong reasons.
well artisitc fulfillment doesnt pay the bills

>> No.54021087

>>54021010
this is actually so patrician

>> No.54021102

>>54020933
Quality SNL-Core

>> No.54021130
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54021130

>>54021061
I only listen to tones as dark as my heart.

>> No.54021139

>>54021086
ok financial competition is really not what I was talking about

>> No.54021143

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gocGlRuW1bw

This piece gives me feels.

>> No.54021220

>>54020834
you'd have to take theory into account to avoid playing the notes in a scale
your statement is nonsense buster

>> No.54021235

OP:
Step 0: learn what a 12 bar blues is, what makes it a 12 bar blues, and the blues scale. blow/play rhythmically pleasing solos over the blues changes.
Step 1: learn how to read chord symbols and understand harmonic structure (i.e. understand what I mean when I say ii7-V7-I7, understand what makes a half-diminished 7 chord a half-diminished 7 chord, etc)
Step 2: start to learn the bagillion different scales that exist on your instrument in various configurations or orientations. this will be ongoing.
Step 3: return to your friend the 12-bar blues. examine the chords. look the chord changes and at how the 3rd scale degree of the last chord links up with the 7th scale degree of the next, and the 7th with the 3rd. now when you solo, try to abuse those chord tones above all others. use more than just the blues scale, learn your bebop and mixolydian scales. start using chromatic notes to tie together the chord changes where simple stepwise motion doesn't satisfy. always keep the groove.
Step 4: learn a new standard's chord changes.
Step 5: repeat step 4

congratulations you are jazz

>> No.54021271

>>54021010
Having trouble figuring out whether this is fresh as fuck or total shit.

But these recordings illustrate a crucial point: rhythm is the only thing that matters.

>> No.54021285

>>54021235
How do I learn the stuff in step 2?

>> No.54021295

>>54020764
Dexter Gordon is shit compared to Coltrane. Not even in the same class.

>> No.54021321

>>54021010
dude tune your guitar shit

>> No.54021358

>>54021285
Google "scales and modes" or "scales in jazz". There are hundreds upon hundreds of them. If you're just starting out, learn your major, your minor, your mixolydian, your dorian, and your bebop inside out. That means up, down, starting on every note, in thirds, in fourths, every conceivable way you can imagine them arranged.

>> No.54021368

>>54021358
That sounds like work. But I'll do it- I've got loads of time on my hands.

>> No.54021404

you just gotta hang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibKJpJdzAJ4

>> No.54021465

>>54021368
Jazz is hard work if you don't want to sound like an amateur.

anyone can string together a competent-sounding solo on a 12-bar blues using the blues scale as long as they don't get note diarrhea and just spew without thought to rhythmic feel or motifs/ideas.

Then you have people who know what they're doing, and use things like chromatics, smacking 3s and 7s on 1 or the and of 4, and fluency to have a pretty good sounding solo on a 12-bar blues. Might have some metric modulation, hemiola, or superimposition thrown in.

And then you have masters of the genre who slip between multiple complex levels of rhythmic netting and rhythmic superimpostion/metric modulation, people who know exactly what harmonic "rules" exist and break them tastefully, people who use unorthodox scales to string together substituted chords and who add complexity to the harmonies, people who interact rhythmically and harmonically with their band, and people who manipulate dynamics, tone quality, and articulations to create a work of art when they improvise.

Getting from 1 to 2 takes a fair bit of work, maybe a couple years of playing too. Getting from 2 to 3 takes many decades or more of extended daily practice.

>> No.54021650 [DELETED] 

>>54021087
Thank you friend
>>54021271
Thanks I'll take it as a compliment, same has been said of most of the music I like.
>>54021321
>2015
>not tuning to 435hz

>> No.54021680

>>54021087
Thank you friend
>>54021271
Thanks I'll take it as a compliment, same has been said of most of the music I like. >>54021321
>2015
>not tuning to 432hz

Also it's just a $50 yamaha kids guitar

>> No.54023598

>>54020682
there is none
coltrane is god

>> No.54023655

>>54015854
This.

Composing skills helps improvisation and improvisation skills help composing

>> No.54024455

>>54015793
B h c c# d f g
one blues scale of many
super easy too free style

>> No.54024500

>>54024455
one to many tones ther buddy
h dosnt fit in

>> No.54024522

Dont listen to anybody on here, watch these.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAc1CytLStw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2txO_u2eNg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqQGdq2UAr0

>> No.54024840

>>54020374
Bird and Coltrane played a style that pushed the limits of what's humanly possible and was cerebral and technical by nature. A song like Giant Steps for example has so many chord changes at such a high tempo that pretty much the only way to keep up is to apply theory and play a lot of prefab licks and variations on scale runs. Most jazz isn't nearly as stupidly complex though, and doesn't require such a cerebral approach.

I'm not saying to not study theory BTW. By all means do, and make sure you have a whole bunch of licks to fall back on in case your mind is drawing a blank, but like I said, *ideally* you'd never want to think about theory during improv. It's like... study, but forget everything you know when shit gets real. Fuck I need my morning coffee, I'm sounding like mr Miyagi here.

>> No.54026158

>>54023598
God can confirm this he tolded me so

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