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>>53992487
Why is the album cover so fucking depressing?

>>53992557
2deep4u

>>53992557
because

>>53992557
Right? It looks like black metal or something

>>53992487
I really love it but cmon, pet sounds is better. I also prefer the smile version for Surf's Up.

>>53992487
Pet Sounds is still better. Thank Student Demonstration Time.

>>53992557
Because almost all of its songs are pretty big downers. Even the fun ones have some sad lines.

>tfw you better take care of your life cuz nobody else will

>>53992487
Pet Sounds is better

>>53992557
It's ironic, as the title.
Their new manager suggest the BB to change their target audience and try to set themselves apart from their original surf band image.

>>53992631
nope

>>53992653
irony? I thought it was just a pun

>>53992726
how the fuck is it a pun?

>>53992653
>>53992726
>>53992892

It's neither irony nor a pun.

Van Dyke Parks wrote the lyric "surf's up, aboard the title wave / come about hard and join the often spring you gave / I heard the word, wonderful thing, a children's song" after the Beach Boys came back from a tour in Europe and felt like crowds mocked them because of their image; Dennis especially felt like they were out of step culturally, as far as the image of their band goes. This line was VDP's way of indicating that the band's cutesy surfing image and material was officially a thing of the past (even though it was written in '67 and the band had dropped surf rock in '64, they still played their surf tunes and wore striped shirts in live shows so it was accurate). Unfortunately, he ended up missing the mark there. It only took 2 years for the band to regress into tunes about surfing again.

>>53992618
>Thank Student Demonstration Time

Came here to post how much this song sucks compared to the rest of the album. I'm just gonna go ahead and assume its all Mike Love's fault

>>53992487
Probably, yeah. Feel Flows and 'Til I Die are two of the greatest songs ever written.

>>53992601
>>53992618
>>53992631
No.

>>53992952
>regress

Best, runner up, worst?


>Best
Disney Girls
>Runner Up
Surf's Up
>Worst
Take a load off your feet

>>53993037
>Best
'Til I Die
>Runner-Up
Long Promised Road
>Worst
no idea lol. probably Student Demonstration Time but I still really like it too

>>53993037
>Best
Feel Flows
>Runner up
Til I Die
>Worst
Student Demonstration Time by far, literally the only track that isn't excellent

>>53992557
I always thought there was some hope in that picture, the opposite of depressing, actually

>>53992487
>tfw listened to this album during a bad lsd trip and now it's permanently associated with that experience in my mind
>tfw can barely listen to this album, or the beach boys in general, anymore
feels batman

>>53993440
Damn. That seems like the worst feel ever to me.

Don't do drugs kids.

is this a good starting point for the Beach Boys? I've heard some different songs here and there from them and really couldn't get into any of it.

>>53993501
Listen to some comp, fuck whatever people on /mu/ say. Not sure what comp, you can probably find a good one yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjZES3_SSYA

Here listen to that.

>>53993501
just start with pet sounds

>>53992952
Really well written line seeing as how it can convey that and also fit the narrative of the song.

Reminder that Student Demonstration Time is an abomination and the was the worst Beach Boys song until the piece of shit that is 15 Big Ones was released, which released multiple to take that title. Oh and, Take a Load Off Your Feet, Looking At Tomorrow and A Day in the Life of a Tree are mediocre at best.

>>53993565
>A Day in the Life of a Tree
>Mediocre
u wot m8

>>53993565
Also, the lyrics of Student Demonstration Time are awful and strangely mean spirited. But then, of course, it is Mike Love who co-wrote it so it's no real surprise

>>53993477
Well for what it's worth I think it's bullshit

I've had plenty of uncomfortable experiences tripping. If anything listening to what I was listening to when I'm sober eases my mind, I could more clearly see what was making me uncomfortable and prevent it from happening in the future

>Don't do drugs kids.
Imagine if you said that to Brian Wilson. We would've never heard SMiLe, and Pet Sounds wouldn't be as good

>Marijuana helped me write Pet Sounds

>>53992719
>>53993019
>No.

Why? I've never seen anyone make a comprehensive argument as to why Surf's Up is better than Pet Sounds that doesn't just rely on side B. Everyone seems to forget that side A isn't 100% essential, unlike Pet Sounds, which is completely crucial, track for track.

>>53993034
I think most would agree that the band going back to singing about the beach after all of the stuff they did on Pet Sounds, Smile, and Smiley Smile is quite disappointing.

>>53993037
>Best
Surf's Up
>Runner Up
Til I Die
>Worst
Student Demonstration Time

How on earth is SDT not your "worst" pick?

>>53993440
I'm very sorry.

>>53993501
Not really. There's not much in their catalog that sounds like it. Start with Pet Sounds, then read this pastebin I wrote. People seem to like it. tl;dr, after Pet Sounds, go for Today! if you liked the gorgeous orchestral instrumentation and fantastic pop sensibilities. If you want something a little more out there, go for the Smile Sessions.

Here ya go: pastebin.com/hWfbV1Ex

>>53993545
I agree. VDP is a brilliant lyricist. I also wonder what direction the Beach Boys would have taken if Mike didn't scare him off. I mean, VDP came back to collaborate every now and then, but to have him as a dedicated lyricist? I can only imagine.

>>53993565
>A Day in the Life of a Tree
>mediocre

I will end your life, no joke.

SDT is the worst Beach Boys song ever though, so you are correct there.

>>53993728
>Imagine if you said that to Brian Wilson. We would've never heard SMiLe, and Pet Sounds wouldn't be as good

I always want to go back and stop Brian from doing all of those drugs. He was too tender for that stuff and it just broke him. If you watch a documentary or read a book about his life, you'll consider how much better off he'd be if he never touched the stuff.

He graced us with the best pop music ever but it was basically at the cost of his mental and physical well-being. You gotta ask yourself if his sacrifice was really worth it.

>>53993797
Maybe it's just because I have this massive boner for Van Dyke Parks and Brian but I like you a lot anon.
I'd be inclined to agree that it only would have gotten better but if that was true, Orange Crate Art would be the greatest album of all time.
Which it isn't. Even if it's criminally underrated.

>>53993797
Many great pieces of art demand sacrifice. So many great jazz-men and rockstars fell to heroin. Syd and Brian lost their minds

And yes, I'm telling you changing the face of an art form, and creating timeless masterpieces that will mean countless things to countless people, is worth it. It's an inseparable part of the creative process for some, as uncomfortable a thought as that may be to you

>>53993797
>SDT is the worst Beach Boys song
What about Kokomo?

>>53993912
>Syd and Brian lost their minds
atleast Brian got it back

>>53993912
Forgot pic

The peaks of the psychedelic experience is worth sacrificing more than you think, I promise that

>>53993920
Carl's vocals though

>>53993912
What does that mean to the Chralie Parkers of the world who die alone in their apartments in front of their tv, near destitute with bodies so wracked by drugs they they appear twice the age they are?
I know I get to benefit from these peoples problems but I know I've no intention of following their example.

>>53993877
I like you too anon. I like almost everybody in this thread.

I think the important balance between VDP and BW was that BW wrote the music and VDP wrote the lyrics. Plus Orange Crate Art was made in the 90s and that certainly wasn't their hey day.

>>53993912
>>53993995

I suppose. Don't get me wrong, Pet Sounds is my favorite album of all time and Brian is my favorite songwriter, and I'm completely that pop as we know it would be totally different if he never did drugs, but I at least wish he dialed it back before he started fucking with speed and shit. I'm convinced that speed is what really did serious damage to his psyche.

It was a worthy sacrifice but I still wonder what he would be like today if he never touched the stuff.

>>53993920
Eh, it's a mediocre dated pop song on an album full of mediocre dated pop songs, who gives a shit. SDT is what ends side A of this album and it always leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth. It's not just a bad song; it literally makes the album less enjoyable to listen to (for me).

>>53994048
I'm not saying you should start shooting up because they did

I'm saying if you went back in time and forced them all to drop the needle and live healthy lives, music would be a very different thing today. I'm not saying it benefited all aspects of their lives or was overall a positive thing

>>53994127
>and I'm completely that pop as we know it would be totally different if he never did drugs

Should read "I'm completely aware that..."

>>53994127
I would agree that he should've never touched speed, heroin and coke

Apparently coke got him really productive for the duration of the high, but still I think he really regrets those things

>>53994138
I get what you're saying and I'm glad their music exists but on a personal level I don't feel right for advocating that people destroy themselves for art.
>>53994127
VDP was a great songwriter when he really got going though. Song Cycle, Jump, Discover America and ( to an extent) OCA are damn good albums.
I feel like he could do with calming down a little in terms of melodic complexity. It works most of the time and makes for some of his best moments but really sometimes the song just calls for some simplicity.
Brian deffinatly understood that in his writing. He knew when to have a bunch of voices using chromatics and making weird chords and when to have a catchy hook.

>>53994289
Maybe you just don't like music enough, then!

>>53994289
Yeah I really enjoy VDP as a songwriter on his own. I've only listened to Song Cycle and OCA but they're very good for what they are. I just think Brian had a clear upper hand on him as far as writing the music itself goes, so since OCA is just Brian singing stuff that VDP wrote, it's not quite the chemistry they had in the 60s.

>>53994372
Wow, I'm sensing a series of layoffs right now, cuz some serious shots just got fired.

>>53994372
Maybe I don't.
It'd be totally worth it for literature. If Tolstoy required a bloodstream made up of 20% heroin to write I would be ok with helping him get a hold of that.

>>53994523
>20%
>A lot
Are you a little girl or something