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Well, it's all subjective. Also, it doesn't necessarily follow from more sophisticated harmonies or more interesting lyrics that an album 'better'; there are more elements to music than harmony and lyrics. Regardless, the idea that we should even invest our energy in attempting to rank such subjective things is silly, imo.

I don't think one is better than the other. They're both singular masterpieces, and I think it would be more worthwhile if we would just enjoy albums such as these, in all of their glory, without recourse to some arbitrary artistic hierarchy; we should be beyond this by now.

I love both

But Brian >>> Beatles

>>53864798
You're too good for this place.

>>53864685
Well Pet Sounds is much better than literally any other pop album ever made so you shouldn't even compare it with anything.

Sgt Pepper is really good though and better than SMiLE and any other beach boys related project except Pet Sounds imo.

Brian Wilson would disagree seeing as how he destroyed half his new album after listening to it. I personally think Pet Sounds was better, but mostly for Brian's stellar and visionary production. I can easily see how someone would prefer Peppers if it's more their speed.

Hard to compare the two on a musical level tho, the harmonies are a lot different and Pet Sounds is a lot more instrumentally diverse

>>53864907
>pet sounds
>good
no.

>>53864993
>Brian Wilson would disagree seeing as how he destroyed half his new album after listening to it.
what the hell are you talking about??? this never happened. I mean it did, but sgt pepper had nothing to do with it.

>>53865088
Look it up man... He listened to Sgt. Peppers, thought it was a masterpiece that he could never top. That's why he destroyed the records, and he was tripping hard at the time

>>53865231
The only thing that may resemble what your saying is his reaction after hearing "strawberry fields forever" for the first time where he said that they've reached the sound he desired. He didn't destroy half of SMiLE because he listened to Sgt Pepper, that's just misinformed information.

>>53864798
/thread except for half of the threads on this board

>>53865307
I told you to just look it up man

>>53864685
>More sophisticated harmonies, more interesting lyrics/topics
Prove it

>>53865326
what the fuck is this source and where is it all backed up??

>>53865371
Fucking look it up, I'm not doing more research for you, there's like 40 other sources that will say the exact same thing.

Also you clearly haven't seen Brian's more recent interviews because he admitted vocally that it was the sole reason he destroyed the records

Pet Sounds is nice but it has the emotional range of a depressed teenage boy. Which probably explains its appeal the the average /mu/ser

>>53865402
you are the one with the claims you are the one that should provide the sources.

also I was searching for it and i'm watching a lot of his recent interviews and in none of them I found that sgt pepper was the sole reason for him for him destroying smile.

>>53865429
Are you daft m8? Pet Sounds was the best contrast of happiness and depression of the 60's. Did you even listen to how the instrumentation clashes with the lyrics?

>>53865458
Unless you're some kind of fucked search engine, just google "brian wilson destroyed records because of sgt pepper" and boom

>>53865513
>>53865458
This is from literally brianwilsonfans.com

If you don't find that site credible you can go fuck yourself

I'm out

>>53865513
I googled that and clicked on around 5 links and none of them said sgt. pepper was the sole reason for brain destroying smile

>>53865586
collapsing is not the same as being the sole reason for him destroying it.

Brian said strawberry fields was "good, a bit weird", but that was 2 years ago.

Also, saying that The Beatles were the sole cause of his breakdown is just wrong. You have to factor in pressure from bandmates, record company and the public for no longer being 'cool', obscene drug use, mental illness and a shitty work ethic.

>>53865752
>>53865653
>this damage control
I didn't say it was the sole reason for it even one time. BRIAN said that in one interview, not me. I think the pressure, drugs, and that six month period it took him to produce good vibrations just drove him nuts, then he heard the record and snapped. Can you at least admit you were wrong for your first statement that his breakdown had nothing to do with sgt Pepper?

>>53864685
>More sophisticated harmonies
[comparative analysis needed]

>>53866296
>BRIAN said that in one interview, not me.
link the interview then.
>and that six month period it took him to produce good vibrations just drove him nuts, then he heard the record and snapped
once again you're just spouting stuff without providing any sources.

>>53866423
How is anyone this dense? I've thrown two sources right in your fucking face, are you just trolling now?

they're similar but pretty different & I think the lyrics in sgt pepper's are more diverse & interesting, less cliche

didn't he famously hide in a room and break down when mccartney came to visit him.

on topic, i don't know what it is but although pet sounds is technically superior the beatles just had better songs. melodies from the BB always had this vibe that limited their success imo.

>>53866807
you didn't sourced shit and you're not posting that interview either.

I'm dense because I fucking hate it when people just say stuff without providing any sources.

>>53866985
>url's aren't sources hurr durr
Brianwilsonfans.com

The link was literally in the fucking picture other one. Are you retarded?

I'm not gonna go dig up the interview because I don't remember the name of it and I don't feel compelled to do it for such an incompetent internet user? Like what the fuck do you want from me, MLA format? If you had a decent sized brain in your head you would've found all of those from a 39 second google search for the EXACT WORDS I TOLD YOU

>>53867362
Not him, but you're wrong. I'm on mobile so I can't source much but I've watched multiple documentaries and read a biography of Brian. Sgt. Pepper's came out after he shelved Smile. It had no influence on his decision to give up on it and it was by no means what caused his emotional breakdown.

Your sources are all bogus and likely just spread the same rumor in a big circle of misinformation. Sorry.

>>53866296
Brian has never said a single word about Strawberry Fields breaking him down, just that he had to pull over his car. He also pulled over his car when he heard Be My Baby for the first time. It doesn't mean anything. The whole 'Strawberry Fields helped kill Smile' was something that writers inferred years after the fact when Brian's passenger in the car reported that had allegedly said (paraphrasing) 'the Beatles got to what I was doing with Smile before I could release it'.

>>53867362
>Brianwilsonfans.com
nothing there say that brian destroyed smile because of sgt. pepper.

>I'm not gonna go dig up the interview because I don't remember the name of it and I don't feel compelled to do it for such an incompetent internet user?
so why even name it in the first place? that interview doesn't exist for all I know.

And i've searched google and wikipedia with the exact words you said and no source was valid. Also with my knowledge of watching Smile documentaries and brian interviews and just reading a lot about the topic I know that you're wrong.

It's just hilarious when people say information without providing any sources and just get angry about them being wrong about said information.

>>53867362
ur salad is being tossed u fuckin idiot let it go already

>>53866296
> his breakdown had nothing to do with sgt Pepper

This is correct. He began experiencing hallucinations brought on by LSD in early 1965. By the end of the year, he was working on his 12th album at the age of 22, only 3/4 through a 7-year contract he signed with Capitol at the age of 19.

The Beatles were 3 songwriters. The Beach Boys were 1. Brian was not only the producer, arranger, songwriter, and band leader, but also the bread winner. You're a faggot if you think Sgt. Pepper was the worst of his problems.

Brian probably had the talent to be as good as the Beatles if he could get himself together. It's a shame The Beach Boys only released two albums on Sgt Peppers level.

Whereas The Beatles fans actually enjoy music The Beach Boys fans always feel the need to prove and compare obsessively the other 60s pop canon without ever saying anything of worth.

>>53864685
I agree. I would go as far as saying that Sunflower, Today! and Friends are better than that as well

>>53868148
>stereotyping
Nice

>>53868148
>implying this doesn't goes both ways
>implying there are no exceptions

>>53868206
Nah. Sgt. Pepper is still better than all of them.

>>53868148
It's actually the opposite though.

>>53868148
I never understand why people ask whether the Beatles or the Stones are better when it's clear that the Beach Boys were the Beatles' arch rivals. Chalk it down to shitty rock canon.

>>53868582
probably have something to do with the beach boys starting as an american surf rock band and the stones and beatles being both british rock n roll bands.

>>53868148
I never understood how SOME Beatles fans believe Rubber Soul or Revolver are pop masterpieces when there were much better releases in those specific years.