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How can the country with the ninth largest economy in the world and a population of almost 150 million be so devoid of talent?

>> No.53797381

>Tchaikovsky
>Rimsky-Korsakov
>Glazunov
>Prokofiev
>Stravinsky
>Shostakovich

>implying

>> No.53797388

>>53797365
More talent than America, all their music stolen from African slaves.

>> No.53797421

>what is Pathetique

>> No.53797427

>>53797365
is this bait?
see>>53797381

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>>53797365
Because Parashka is cancer, not a country.

>> No.53797501

Russia has some of the best musicians and writers in the world, probably the most per capita.

>> No.53797543

>>53797365
communism.

>> No.53797635

>>53797381
Now name a single good modern artist from there.

>> No.53797818

>>53797635
p4k aoty 2016 will come from siberia

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>>53797635
pls

>> No.53797892

>>53797635
Gubaidalina

Guess you're just an idiot.

>> No.53797935

>>53797857
>modern
>16 years old

>> No.53797949

>>53797635
>>53797892
and Victor Kissine

>> No.53797977
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>>53797381
>not listing rachmanioff
>not listing mussorgsky

plebes, ladies and gentlemen.

>> No.53798004

>>53797935
>old
>16 years old
you must be 15

>> No.53798006

>>53797977
Mussorgsky was an unfortunate omission, as was Borodin.
Rachmaninoff was a purposeful omission, you plebeian.

>> No.53798037

>>53797381
This, Russian classical music is GOAT

>>53798006
Rachmaninov is great you faggot

>> No.53798053

>>53798004
I'm 23, and I'm not saying it's old, but it sure as fuck isn't modern.

>> No.53798070

>>53798037
Rachmaninoff is like Glass.
Sure, he's good and enjoyable. But would you REALLY put him amongst his contemporaries?

>> No.53798098

>>53798053
alright nerd
define modernity

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>>53797365
One of my favourite albums of this decade

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>>53797635

>> No.53798126

>>53798070
>But would you REALLY put him amongst his contemporaries?
yes, for his piano concertos alone.

>>53798006
>Borodin.
yet another reason why you're a plebe.

>> No.53798132

>>53798070
Absolutely, only CLT drones disagree

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>>53797365
OP here. sorry, posted wrong flag

>> No.53798146

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coMpY8KwNco

Just because you're not exposed to it doesn't mean it's not there.

>> No.53798170

>>53797381
/thread

>> No.53798181

>>53798126
>>53798132
Sorry but if I'm going to find appeal in a shit-tier orchestrator then they're going to need to be at LEAST as good as Schumann.

>> No.53798183

>>53798098
Made in the last couple of years
Go suck a fuck you hostile dingus

>> No.53798203

>>53798181
>Schumann
>shit tier

yikes: the post
care to elaborate? on either one of them?

>> No.53798220

>>53798203
I mean do you know what orchestration is...?

>> No.53798222

>>53797635
Alexander Sokurov. Best living director.

>> No.53798225

>>53798183
Laugh at this retard who doesn't know the difference between contemporary and modern

>> No.53798270

>>53798225
K

>>53798183
Lol

>> No.53798290

>>53798183
You do realize I already proved you wrong, right?
>>53797892
>>53797949
Oh, and Valery Gergiev as a conductor.

>> No.53798333

>>53797365
>I'm completely ignorant of other countries' culture
>therefore they have no talent
Nice logic m8

>> No.53798344

>>53797818
Underrated boast.

>> No.53798386

Here is an example of Schumann’s bad orchestration. The beginning of the second movement features a lovely melody in octaves for the first violins, a sustained, syncopated accompanimental texture for the second violins and violas, and a bass line in contrary motion to the melody in the cellos and basses. Here are the problems:

1. Octave doubling of melodies is great on the piano, but ineffective in the violins, especially in the relatively less expressive middle of the violin register, where this melody lies. The octave doubling adds little weight and makes the melody a tiny bit out of tune, which is sometimes welcome, as it warms up the sound, but not here, where it is essential that the first violins, who are all on their divisi lonesome, hold their own against all of the second violins, violas, cellos, and basses.

2. The second violins and violas are trying to duplicate the effect created by a pianist’s right foot on the sustain pedal. Maybe Schumann congratulated himself on finding such a subtle rythmic expedient to represent the piano’s pedal, but he shouldn’t have been trying to represent the piano’s pedal at all, the orchestra has plenty of ways of its own to create sympathetic vibrations. Also, and most damaging, the ensemble is gonna be a huge problem. Even the finest players in the best orchestras are going to be tentative here, they are not going to be as comfortable finding the beat and coming in properly, with well co-ordinated ensemble as they could be. And all for nothing. Plus, this passage is likely to consume valuable rehearsal time.

3. All the cellos and basses playing a kind of mirror image of the first violins (who are not in a brilliant register, or in a great violin key [the key here is E-flat Major]) are more than a match for the first violin section; there is a danger of a bottom heavy sound, and in any case, the melody should predominate, as this is a homophonic texture.

>> No.53798430

russia is top 5 all time, there's really no debate

>> No.53798462

>>53798386
i've been on /mu/ a long time and had yet to see such a subjective post

>> No.53798471

>>53798225
>>53798290
Could you post some good contemporary then? Everything in the thread has been shit so far.

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>>53797365
http://www.last.fm/tag/russian

>> No.53798492

>>53798471
lel faggot

>> No.53798493

>>53798471
Says you, tasteless pleb.

>> No.53798498

>>53798471
Gubaidalina and Victor Kissine.
How many times do I have to post?

>> No.53798535

>>53798462
>implying subjectivity is wrong
wow what a pleb
too insecure to have your own taste, huh?

>> No.53798557

>>53797635
Oneohtrix Point Never

>> No.53798575

>>53797365
It only takes a simple reading of history...for most of the 20th century, Russia was the USSR, an effectively totalitarian communist state. There was very little development of "popular culture" during this time, and most art was state sponsored and often censored. Furthermore, the USSR was introverted and very isoltated from the influence of western culture, particularly that of the US, so Russian musicians didn't get exposed to any of the burgeoning new musical genres that emerged between the 1920s and 1990s in the way that the rest of the world did. All the greatest Russian music is pre-revolution.

>> No.53798595

>>53798535
>implying orchestration can ever be 'bad'
>implying that's anything more than a valid stylistic choice that your shit taste happened to agree with
oh well

>> No.53798615

>>53798535
>>53798462
not him (actually I like rachy), but seriously, he's entitled to his opinion, and the fact that he actually elaborates on his position makes it all the more worthwhile.

godspeed, schumannon.

>> No.53798632

>>53798557
That niggas from Massachusetts

>> No.53798662

>>53798595
Orchestration very much so can be bad. It can appeal poorly to the strengths of the instruments or downright have no specialties attached to the instrument. All the time, amateur composers just double parts aimlessly.

>> No.53798672

>>53798471
sofia gubaidulina
nina kraviz
regina spektor
vladimir volkov
leonid fedorov

>> No.53798692

>>53798615
>and the fact that he actually elaborates on his position makes it all the more worthwhile
Except he copypasted that from somewhere else.

>> No.53798703

>>53798492
>>53798493
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realise you'd take it so personally. Want a shoulder to cry on?
>>53798498
Listening to Victor now, but wasn't really what I had in mind.

>> No.53798708

>>53797635
Meльницa

>> No.53798725

>>53798575
how clueless are you

>> No.53798772

>>53798575
>There was very little development of "popular culture"
couldn't be more wrong if you tried
>most art was state sponsored
oh i see so if justin bieber was state sponsored he'd only be bad then. "booo hoo my gov't sponsored my art it's so horrible now!" grow up
>the USSR was introverted and very isoltated from the influence of western culture
the USA was introverted and very isoltated from the influence of eastern culture
>Russian musicians didn't get exposed to any of the burgeoning new musical genres that emerged between the 1920s and 1990s in the way that the rest of the world did
automatic outsider masterrace tier

>> No.53798820

>>53798692
welp, i give up.
i thought he actually had an opinion

>> No.53798828

>>53798575
Jazz and rock were very popular in the USSR. Underground obviously because of what you said more or less. It's not like they were completely cut off from the world, even if that's what the government wanted. And the strictness of the government control over popular culture was laxed in the last decade or so of the USSR. Not that it went away, but there was significantly more freedom than say in the 40s-60s.

>> No.53798872

>>53798820
I mean my opinion is simply that, if you listen to Schumann, you'll find that the orchestral lines are quite muddy and "foggy" due to a sort of carelessness in really applying himself in writing lines specific to each instrument.

>> No.53798908

>>53798872
>you'll find that the orchestral lines are quite muddy and "foggy" due to a sort of carelessness
no, it's that way cause it's an avant garde precursor to noise music

>> No.53798944

>>53797635
Glazunov, Prokofiev, Stravinsky, Shostakovich

>> No.53798955

>>53798575
>All the greatest Russian music is pre-revolution
How do you explain Shostakovich?

>> No.53798964

>>53798908
omg

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>>53798944
oh yeah? well name a good post-postmodern artist from that list!

>> No.53799043

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxYBNRcvyIE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO4q2b7HlBI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8cmSEXOE0g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltJFa3K_1Sk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoE1QnSTPlA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVFKDOr5aG0

this is only stuff to my taste, and there is fuck loads of it

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>>53797381
I'm missing Rachamaninov and Scriabin, but pretty spot on.

>>53797365
awful b8, faggot.

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