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Any verdicts yet?

>> No.53774025

>>53774005
it's shit but quite the meme

>> No.53774028

0/10

worse than apartheid

>> No.53774035

3/10

>> No.53774044

>>53774005
Black metal literally came of age with this album.

>> No.53774053

on par with The King of Limbs and Age of Adz

so your mileage may vary on it pretty widely

>> No.53774089

RATE IT
http://strawpoll.me/3700377
>http://strawpoll.me/3700377
http://strawpoll.me/3700377
>http://strawpoll.me/3700377
http://strawpoll.me/3700377

>> No.53774145

>>53774005
aoty

>> No.53774175

>>53774005
Just listened to the Quetzalcoatl song off youtube. I have no words for how awful this is.

>> No.53774253

>>53774025
>>53774025

>> No.53774414

>/mu/ doesn't give a shit about the new Liturgy

I guess maybe with anthony and pitchfork review it, people will start discussing it. Such is life.

>> No.53774431

ahh one of my favorite memes

>> No.53774459

>>53774414
tell me more about transcendental black metal

how many theories / papers have you read explaining the concept ? I'd like to know more

>> No.53774487

after a couple more listens, i still think it's an excellent album, however one that suffers from terrible production/mixing and sub-post-punk-tier singing

>>53774414
like five threads about it, soon after it leaked, hit the bump limit

>> No.53774499
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53774499

>>53774459
I think you mean "trandenscental"

>> No.53774538

>>53774487
NO DUDE THE VOCALS ARE AVANT-GARDE
YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T "GET IT"

>> No.53774638

>>53774025
>>53774028
>>53774035
>>53774175
>>53774538

Be honest /mu/, are you trashing the album because you actually didn't like it or because you don't like HHH as a person?

He seems like quite the pretentious college american kid but I'm still quite enjoying the album.

>> No.53774689

>>53774638
I don't like it, and I don't care about "celebrity" twitter bullshit

>> No.53774710

>>53774538
i'm sure he's probably had some cool ideas as to what to do with his vocals, some of which shine through at times, but his voice is so thin and strained that it grates, also at times it sounds like he barely bothers to form a melody to match/to keep in time with the song underneath

>> No.53774722

>>53774638
I can't speak for other people, but I don't trash music unless I don't like it. Tool is always a great example - I always hated Maynard, but I like his voice and how he uses it in their songs.

>> No.53774729

>>53774499
it trandends scents

>> No.53774737

I feel rebellious because I've never heard of this band before and don't give a shit about anything except how it sounds. Apparently the guy wants to operate in the area between straight-act and performance art. Reminds me of Andy Kaufman - serious talent, laughable talent. And I like it a lot

>> No.53774795

>>53774459
>transcendental black metal
Fuck
For all this time, I thought he was describing his music as transsexual black metal. Then I saw what the Hunter Hendrix guy looked like and thought "Yeah, it makes sense that someone who looks like this would make transsexual black metal"
I'm a fucking idiot aren't i

>> No.53774802

listened to Quetzacoatl, the vocals were abysmal and it sounded like dumbed down Igorrr overall

>> No.53774811

>>53774737
Here's an older song of theirs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2iwAAaEZvE

>> No.53774836

>>53774005
shit liturgy is undergroudn as fuck

twitter only has 3,200 followers
and hunters Instagram only has 500 followers

thats pretty sad

>> No.53774930

>>53774811
Why the fuss over this band's music?
This literally just sounds like mathy black metal.

>> No.53774952

>>53774836
yet they manage to be one of the most influential bands of all time

>> No.53774962

>>53774930
More like Meshuggah b-sides/demos

>> No.53774968

>>53774952
Name an artist influenced by Liturgy.

>> No.53774990

>>53774962
Dunno, not percussive enough for that.
Well, maybe Generation.

>> No.53774996

>>53774968
Deafheaven
Death Grips
OPN
Andy Stott

>> No.53775013

>>53774968
Kanye West

>> No.53775027

>>53774996
#truth

>> No.53775050

>>53774952
what gives /mu/
these guys are talented musicians who spend hours upon hours on trying to make something good.

but any decent look 18 year old girl can get 10-20k follower on social media for just being pretty

i mean this semen demon https://instagram.com/jaydepierce/ has 68k followers just based on that.


whats the point of trying to be a musician all you get is hated on :(

>> No.53775084

>>53775050
Since when was Liturgy representative of all musicians?

>> No.53775140

>>53774996
If those are indeed true, then it doesn't particularly show in their music.
I think calling Liturgy one of the most influential of all time is a bit much.

>> No.53775168

>>53774996
>Deafheaven
>Andy Stott
yeah no

>> No.53775206

>>53774638
don't like the music. plain and simple. at least for me. some maybe hate Hunter or whatever.

>> No.53775392

4/10 if i'm generous

It's clearly got some good ideas, and parts of it are fairly enjoyable, but as a whole it's terribly executed

>> No.53775625

Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Transcendental Black Metal Band

>> No.53775669

Like it so far and it's growing on me too. Strong 6 light 7 for now. Hoping better digital versions will exist after the official release, more full production -particularly low end- would benefit the piece greatly. Interested to hear reviews of the live material.

>> No.53775704

>>53775669
It's growing on me as well. Usually the case for more traditional sounding black metal.

>> No.53775745

>>53775669
I'd like to hope either the transcode / compression might be an issue hearing this leak.
Maybe the leak is a pre-master but it's unlikely

The more I listen to it, the more I enjoy it and forget about the disappointing mastering.

>> No.53775784

>mfw Haelegen
its so fuckin beautiful

>> No.53775908

>>53774836
what is hunter's instagram tho

>> No.53775918

Still has the problems I found with their previous stuff. Interesting at first but severely underdeveloped, like the tracks never really flourish in full or lead anywhere. Reign Array is a possibly exception but apart from that it's business as usual, just with even further diluted focus due to the keyboards and silly electronic "glitches".
Also guitar tone is ass on this thing.

>> No.53775981

>>53775050

You now realize how all female musicians become famous. Hint: has nothing to do with the music.

>> No.53775988

>>53775918
>like the tracks never really flourish in full or lead anywhere
that's the point
>The haptic void is like the ‘trauma’, or the ‘other’ or the ‘thing’ in psychoanalysis. It is the complete, hypothetical satisfaction that is totally destructive AND creative, and something that people who compose metal seem to feel the urge to reach – even though it is impossible to reach it. The idea of transcendental black metal is to sustain a relationship to it that also includes an awareness of its impossibility.

think of it like how Swans rinse the same riff, to reach a trance-like higher state

>> No.53776007

>>53775908

Read the thread you dumb shit

>> No.53776083

What are some other GOAT transcendental-core albums?

>> No.53776127

>>53774795
lol

>> No.53776128

>>53774005
10/10

>> No.53776182

What's your favorite Liturgy track bros?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIF4U_QFSxQ

>> No.53776419

>>53775988
It's not the repetitious element I have the issue with, it's just the music itself is rather sterile and bare in arrangement, and it's made worse with all the half-formed bits of electronic detritus floating about and not really adding anything to the composition. Admittedly the dryness of the mix does it no favors in this regard.
Metal with minimalist or "ritualistic" tendencies has been done more effectively before this imo.

>> No.53777193

i feel like i really need to understand black metal before i can listen to this. do i?
it just sounds nonsensical right now

>> No.53777227

>>53777193
Nah, not really.
It's barely metal, letalone black at this point.

>> No.53777373

>>53774005
I really enjoyed it. I thought the breadth of sounds was very interesting, and the album flowed well. Really powerful. I don't get why mu is bashing it. It has a phil elvrum vibe and mu loves him.

>> No.53777378

Give this album 10 years and people will be droning all over it, pretending they loved it all along, joining me and others in the comparisons to Trout Mask Replica.
For now, I guess I'll be a part of the people with a good enough/wide enough taste to see its greatness.

>> No.53777422

>>53777373
Phil isn't immune to a bashing on here either tbh.
Look how polarizing The Glow Pt. 2 is.

>> No.53777461

>>53777422
what on earth are you talking about?
past the first listen, everyone loves TGP2

>> No.53777480

>>53777422
thought that was a mucore album?
Incidentally I don't like his music much

>> No.53777486

>>53777378
Personally I think it'll be long forgotten by then.
Remember when Sunbather was released and everyone was either praising it as some grand achievement or absolutely shitting on it? People rarely discuss it now even two years on.

>> No.53777487

>>53774795
you made me kek out loud, thanks anon

>> No.53777543

>>53777486
Sunbather wasn't memorable past the first track.

>> No.53777589

>>53777543
>Vertigo

>> No.53777631

>>53774638
No hate for HHH, I give him mad props for his work on Aesthethica. But this album? What a piece of shit. I'm somewhat biased against it because I expected it to be metal, but.... I just don't like it.

>> No.53777775

>>53774811
these vocals sound so fucking shit what the fuck hahahahaha
and i thought SUN was bad
BAT
HER

>> No.53777815

>>53774005
3/10

>> No.53777884

>>53774990
what Meshuggah albums sound like Generation?

>> No.53777987

>>53777884
The method of composition on that track is actually very similar to what Meshuggah often do, i.e. a percussive riff played in a different time sig over a steady 4/4 beat (usually beat out on cymbals or hi-hat), so that it moves in and out of "sync" with it in a kind of polyrhythmic cycle.
Of course, the mood of the tracks are still totally different, but this here is a good example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXoLLiGSKQ8

>> No.53778001

aotysf

8-9/10

really my main criticism of it is the production- the drums aren't punchy enough most of the time and a lot of the guitars are muddy (but not in a cool deafheaven shoegazey way, just in a poorly mixed/spaced way)

apparently the guy that engineered it is the same guy who does the parquet courts records, which explains the mud/ why the low end has no definition

>> No.53778034

>>53777987
neat
can't really compete with the drumming on Generation though, but I'll look into these guys
thanks

>> No.53778120

Wonderful interview right here: http://www.teethofthedivine.com/featured/interview-with-hunter-hunt-hendrix-of-liturgy/

>> No.53778126

>>53777486

like what's more to be discussed
it was a shitstorm

>> No.53778151

>>53777486
Liturgy's conceptualism at least gives it much more longevity over Sunbather.
If you like the album, there's more than enough to read into, almost as much as the DG universe.

>> No.53778162

>>53778034
Check out Catch 33 for sure.

>> No.53778234

>>53778034

Generation reminds me more of this, at least the begining

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm4N4mzh--Y

>> No.53778339

>>53774952
Wait what, how? Liturgy has influenced literally nobody of worth (save for maybe a few small garage bands).

They're a great band but even metal, their own fucking genre, doesn't care about them. At least with Deafheaven's Sunbather there was a fuss but Aesthetica just kind of slid off the radar after a few months.

>> No.53778357

>>53778339
stop eating b8

>> No.53778586

I'm enjoying it quite a bit, but my only question is: why can Elias from Iceage get away with his vocals but HHH can't? I'm seeing way more hate for HHH than Elias and idk why. I love both bands btw

>> No.53778608

Nobody should be voicing their opinions until they've listened to the full album at least 5 times. These fags listening Quetzacoatl once and decrying the entire album need to lurk until they learn.

>> No.53778621

>>53778586
who gives a fuck
I love Triple H's Avey Tare-tier vocals

>QUUUUETZ-A-COOAT-LLLLLLLL

>> No.53778655

garbage
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>> No.53778672

dl link?

>> No.53778755

did thor harris play the chimes on kel vahaal and is that skipping sound intentional or did my dl get corrupted?

>> No.53778767

>>53774795
nice one anon

>> No.53778808

>>53778755
It's intentional, just clumsy.

>> No.53778855

is vitriol about automation and mass unemployment giving rise to an artistic movement?

>> No.53778871

>>53778755
the glitches are intentional
my interpretation of them stems from this quote from Hunter's RBMA interview
>The haptic void is like the ‘trauma’, or the ‘other’ or the ‘thing’ in psychoanalysis. It is the complete, hypothetical satisfaction that is totally destructive AND creative, and something that people who compose metal seem to feel the urge to reach – even though it is impossible to reach it. The idea of transcendental black metal is to sustain a relationship to it that also includes an awareness of its impossibility.
http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/magazine/liturgy-hunter-hunt-hendrix-interviewhttp://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/magazine/liturgy-hunter-hunt-hendrix-interview

basically, the way i see it, the glitches are incorporated to represent obstruction or distraction from reaching trve pvrity
but they can also be seen as the destruction of the form, ripping the song apart from the inside, the band built the song and they break it as they go, that's part of transcendentalism

I think stuff like this is really fucking cool, it means I can listen to the album countless times and read up on the band's philosophy, back story, etc and find new meanings. All of it, IS part of the album and the expansiveness is really refreshing to see in modern music.

>I am not so interested in having an ordinary rock band and releasing albums without a larger context.
http://www.teethofthedivine.com/featured/interview-with-hunter-hunt-hendrix-of-liturgy/

>> No.53778925

>>53778586
I like this album but I don't think you can compare the vocals. Elias is an extremely emotive singer, especially on Plowing Into the Field of Love. HHH is a tad more flat.

>> No.53778958

>>53778871
It sounds similar to Coltrane's playing on Love Supreme or Mangum's singing on Aeroplane - stretching the limits, trying to represent the unsingable note by means of screaming/screeching/glitching/failure ... in other words ... transdensentewal

>> No.53778987

>>53778120
>two sentences in and they have used the word 'memed'
fucking hell this site needs better writers

>> No.53779058

>>53778808
I don't think it's meant to be perfectly snapped to a bar in sync with the music though, otherwise it would imply the glitches are part of the compilation (which in reality they are), but it's meant to be the song collapsing under it's own weight.
The tension of trying to reach a higher state and not quite getting their is literally stressing the song out, but y'know in the digital age, that's represented by skipping/glitching/stretching.

>> No.53779120

>>53779058
>I don't think it's meant to be perfectly snapped to a bar in sync with the music though
Possibly
The electronic elements as a whole seemed amateurishly executed, though. To me, anyway.

>> No.53779186

is this actually any good, i listened to one of the songs for this album on youtube(the only one i think) and i didnt really like it.

but i dont really like that genre anyway, so is it actually good or not? i just wanna know if people are posting this ironically or not.

>> No.53779206

>>53779186
people are generally confused. kind of like you!

>> No.53779219

>>53779186
I like it but it's certainly a weird album and there's a lot that people don't like about it, and I can certainly see why they wouldn't

>> No.53779232

>>53779120
>The electronic elements as a whole seemed amateurishly executed, though. To me, anyway.
I completely agree, but I feel like that's meant to be the point somewhere, and I'm not just saying that to play into the whole "IT'S ALL PART OF THE ARK WORK PACKAGE" stuff, I'm not trying to cover Hunter's ass either, but there's got to be a reason why Midi horns and not actual horns, why the glitches and why the bagpipes and the 808 bass.
There's a reason for all of it, the fun part is finding it out.
The same goes for the CGI mannequins that have been produced for the artwork, everything for this album seems to point towards post-internet culture and digital and post-human philosophies.
It all has a very OPN feel, and to reuse a quote already itt:
>To me it is more about bringing together lots of different elements that are unlikely candidates for synthesis and finding a way to alchemically mix them together to forge something new.
>Philosophically it’s about being on the cusp of shame or nonsense – about just barely making sense, just barely holding together, almost unraveling into some kind of hideous bad taste, but getting it to work.

Perhaps with this context, you could even argue the mastering is intentionally bad, but even I'm not gonna go that far haha.

>> No.53779239

>>53779120
that's probably because they are amateurs at it. i didn't mind and i predominantly listen to electronically produced music these days.

>> No.53779258

>>53779186
I don't think it's particularly great. Got some interesting moments mind, but some really cringeworthy ones as well. It isn't the best thing since sliced bread (or TMS) like a lot of /mu/ seems to be touting.
Why not listen for yourself and find out?

>> No.53779278

>>53779186
i liked it. but why would you care, you don't know me. listen to it yourself or don't.

>> No.53779281

>>53779258
*TMR

>> No.53779291

>>53779258
>It isn't the best thing since sliced bread (or TMS) like a lot of /mu/ seems to be touting.
this is just memage
they don't actually mean it, it's just excuse to meme

>> No.53779333
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53779333

what does it mean bros?

>> No.53779352

>>53779333
nothing. who cares. just listen to music.

>> No.53779362

>>53779232
Honestly the intentions behind music rarely factor in for me. I prefer to remove music from context as much as possible and take it for what it is.
Guess that's why Liturgy never struck a chord with me much.

>> No.53779409

>>53779333
Autism

>> No.53779414

>>53779258
>>53779278
i might listen to it.

i wanted to know what other people think because i dont know about or like the genre, so i would want to know what people who do, think of it.

>> No.53779433

>>53779333
>A municipality is usually an urban administrative division having corporate status and usually powers of self-government or jurisdiction.

>The principle of individuation, or principium individuationis,[1] describes the manner in which a thing is identified as distinguished from other things.

Could mean TAW is a separation above Transcendental Black Metal

>The term municipality is also used to mean the governing, ruling body of a municipality.

Maybe it means the form is now in control of itself when it comes to balancing the line between possibility and impossibility, iunno.

>> No.53779439

>>53779362
>I prefer to remove music from context

that's stupid. without context, art is worthless. i agree about the rest of your post though, i see it more as an application of the death of the author concept. context is important, conceptualism not necessarily, the word of the artist? worthless.

>> No.53779452

REIGN ARRAY
!!

>> No.53779454

>>53779352
this shit is fun though, it's much like DG's ideology and there's tons of stuff to read into

>> No.53779481

>>53779454
i'm not into death grips. whatever floats your boat though, just not my thing.

>> No.53779490
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53779490

>>53779333
Are those even real words?
I thought aesthethica was a concept, not a city.

>> No.53779498

>>53779439
Conceptual music is fun though
That's why OPN, Actress, Holly Herndon and Hype Williams are so great

>> No.53779506

>>53779439
>that's stupid. without context, art is worthless
I disagree completely, especially with regards to music. Look up reduced listening.

>> No.53779537

>>53779498
i don't disagree.

>>53779506
i did and that didn't help. what about it?

also, maybe we have different definitions of context.

>> No.53779541

>>53779490
so therefore the city of aesthethica is a concept
a utopia perhaps, but maybe a purely transparent one?
HHH has already said the music is about the line between trying to reach for and acceptance of the impossibility of transcendence

>> No.53779558

>>53779454
>DG's ideology
DG makes great music but I'll be the first to say their ideology doesn't hold water, or make much sense. It's more of a punk rock and individualistic attitude, "fuck the record label for delaying our album", but then "fuck the venue and the paying fans for no particular reason". Their stunts like putting a suicide letter on a projector instead of performing and never giving interviews (aside from the p4k one in which they just said nonsense) is supposed to come off as some profound artistic statement, but it really just seems like a poor attempt at 2deep4u.

With Liturgy, you may not like HHH or his music, but the nigga knows what he's talking about.

>> No.53779582

>>53779414
If by genre you mean black metal, I wouldn't worry about that. This record isn't really bm in any sense. Perhaps closer to experimental rock or something. Maybe some math influence in there as well.

>> No.53779667

>>53779558
Perhaps ideology was the wrong term, I meant their themes, backstory and symbolism.
How the lyrics use modern age ideals as metaphors for paranoia, acceleration, death, etc.
Both bands have used the Orphic Egg in their artwork, there's similar ideals in the music, perhaps just through different terms and forces.
I don't know whether to consider DG fully nihilist, maybe they are, I haven't thought about it enough tbh
I should read more Deleuze...

>> No.53779713

>>53779537
It's an idea pioneered by composer Pierre Schaeffer, that essentially means completely removing any context from music and sound, and focusing purely on its sonic traits.
It's an extreme, yes, and is largely used in the field of electroacoustic music more than anything else, but it does demonstrate (in my eyes, anyway) that music doesn't always require context to be appreciated. Sometimes, it's just that. Music. Organised sounds.

>> No.53779853

I feel like people are going to dislike this album specifically because they know that this album might blow up in popularity once it actually comes out and don't wanna seem like bandwagoners because like it or not this album has a lot about it that's appealing to a general audience. Kinda like Sunbather 2.0.

>> No.53780035

>>53779853
I don't think this will have anywhere close to the same wideness of appeal that Sunbather had. Though it's not especially complex musically, this album appears to be much more esoteric in its execution.
Bear in mind that, with the vocals removed, Sunbather had a lot in common musically with third wave post-rock. It had uplifting melodies, big dreamy reverb, and a pretty cover. It's actually quite an accessible, I daresay straightforward album.
I'm not really a fan of The Ark Work although I can see why people might like it. I just don't think it will draw casual listeners in the same way Sunbather did.

>> No.53780145

>>53780035
Fair enough, you make a good point. I still think though that that possibility of being accessible is what is causing a lot of animosity towards the album.

>> No.53780379

10/10 post rock aoty

>> No.53780913

those bagpipes are glorious tbh

>> No.53781479

>>53774005
Am I crazy for thinking that this has some expermiental hip-hop/IDM influences? I thought they were a black metal band

>> No.53781518

>>53781479
>I thought they were a black metal band
They were. The new album isn't though.

>> No.53781523

>>53779439
>that's stupid. without context, art is worthless

Art can never be free from context. It's impossible, because the listener, reader, viewer (i.e., you) actively creates context in the consumption process.

Hunt-Hendrix seems like a sincere guy, but the problem with art that is highly conceptual is the artist can then start to justify any manner of bullshit he decides to do because, "it works within my conceptual framework! You need to know about such and such to get it!"

I find such games manipulative and also lazy. But I see how their "cleverness" would appeal to Art 101 students. Their impressionable minds eat this kind of shit up.

>> No.53781544

i loved aesthetica but this is too shit for my patrician taste

i dont give a fuck about midi horns or low mixing but his vocals are fucking awful. no man can honestly say "quetzacoatl is a good song"

>> No.53781563

>>53781523
>I find such games manipulative and also lazy. But I see how their "cleverness" would appeal to Art 101 students. Their impressionable minds eat this kind of shit up.
wow such redpill

>> No.53781584

>>53781544
>no man can honestly say "quetzacoatl is a good song"
hi

>> No.53781591

>>53781479
so knowing them they're little gimmicks in the tracks that will win them brownie points with their "eclectic" fanbase?

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53781905

>>53781563
>wow such redpill

It's true. "Conceptual art" is lazy, because you never actually have to follow through with any kind of coherent, interesting, or meaningful execution, since you can always fall back on your "ideas" (conceptual framework) to excuse your bad execution.

A conceptual "artist" forces the viewer to execute, to ponder, to do his work for him, to invent or discover meaning, and if you find his work lacking, he can just hand wave and say, "You just don't get it!"

It's a lazy, manipulative con-game.

>> No.53781939

>>53781563
>REDPILL
fuckin rekt
kek

>> No.53781940

>>53781905
>"You just don't get it!"
it's explained in his interviews
try actually reading up on the information about the band and the album he's already dished out for you

>> No.53782002

>>53781940
That's not the point anon is making. He's saying that having such a tight conceptual framework allows the artist to deflect any kind of criticism of his music.
Classic example would be in how HHH "includes" the album's reception as part of the album itself.

>> No.53782033

>>53782002
>Classic example would be in how HHH "includes" the album's reception as part of the album itself.
That doesn't make exempt from that actual criticism.

You can call it shit. That can be part of the album's "course". But you've still called it shit.

>> No.53782222

>>53776083
4 hrs, no responce guess there isnt any

>> No.53782264

>>53776083
Aesthethica

>> No.53782298
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>>53781940

You're missing the point (and I already told you I like HHH and think he's a sincere guy)

"Getting it," is not the issue here. I'm illustrating conceptual art's weaknesses to you and how an artist can excuse a bad or nonsensical artistic choice by appealing to his "concept." he basically positions himself to be free from any and all criticism, because anything he chooses to do is "justified." He can even invent justification for his artistic decisions post-hoc because he can always find a way to fall back on his concept.

Again, it's manipulative.

An artwork's aesthetic should be as compelling as its ideas. Now, if you find Arkwork's music compelling in addition to its ideas, great! But once you start doing legs of research to understand something you didn't initially like in an effort to appreciate it, then it means the artist is manipulating you into liking/appreciating something that really doesn't appeal to you.

"Oh. That's what the steaming pile of dog shit smeared over the dildo meant! I like this now. How clever! So brilliant!"

>> No.53782360

>>53782298
>he basically positions himself to be free from any and all criticism, because anything he chooses to do is "justified."
he doesn't though
if the reception for the ark work is negative, he's saying that negative reception is tethered to the project as part of it's existence
like a living wikipedia page

>> No.53782453

>>53782360
Or we could stop playing into his delusions of "ITS ALL PART OF THE PROJECT MAN" and say his art is shitty without validating his belief that our reactions are part of it.

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>>53774005
>mfw watching The Life and Passion of Jesus Christ and smoking a blunt while listening to this album

>> No.53782508

>>53782453
it's part of it and against it
why can't you just get over that?

>> No.53782512

>>53782298
I bet you're one of those fucks that think Pollock just threw paint on a canvas and called it a day.

"But anyone can throw paint on a canvas and call it art," Wrong.

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53782531

>>53782512
forgot the pic

>> No.53782545

aotysf

transcendental piece of art, pushing music forward whether anybody likes it or not

one of the very few instances of very contrasting sounds being put together in a tasteful manner (although okay i'm still not actually sold on vitriol lol)

>> No.53782547

>>53782360
>he doesn't though
>if the reception for the ark work is negative, he's saying that negative reception is tethered to the project as part of it's existence

That exactly what he did. Since he's decided beforehand to include negative critical reception as part of his project, that means he doesn't have to own up to it. It was a part of the concept all along!

You should also know that conceptual artists concern themselves least with aesthetic, so if HHH is operating from a concept first mentally, then this really isn't an album at all. It's meaningless, a prank, and can't be listened to as music on its own terms (I mean, you can listen to it as music on its terms if you like, but HHH doesn't want you to).

>> No.53782581

>>53782547
If I like it does that mean the meaning of The Art Work is lost on me?

>> No.53782628

>>53782547
>negative critical reception as part of his project
no, because by that point it would be THE project
if the negative reception is included as part of the package, how does it make it exempt from that criticism?
it's not criticism he wrote, the bad things discussed about it are part of it's timeline, he's still responsible for the art they discuss
keep trying though

>> No.53782655

>>53782512
>I bet you're one of those fucks that think Pollock just threw paint on a canvas and called it a day.

Where did you get that idea?

Pollock was not a conceptual artist. He was an Abstract Expressionist and was highly concerned with aesthetic: color, form, improvisation vs. composition (no surprise Pollock was heavy into Jazz), etc, etc. Even critics of the day highly praised Pollock's aesthetic.

>> No.53782731

>>53782655
Snap judgments? Sorry if I came off as a dick. The way you worded your post made it seem like you're one of those people concerned with "realism" is art and I can't stand that shitty narrow view of what art should be.

>> No.53782768

>>53782298
scott?

>> No.53782790

I like Quetzalcoatl but didn't like Vitriol

Will I like the album? Are more songs like Quetzalcoatl?

>> No.53782803

>>53782628
>if the negative reception is included as part of the package, how does it make it exempt from that criticism?

Because he "expected it along" per his concept.

He doesn't have to own up to any criticism, because "it was part of the project" in the first place.

If bad criticism is consciously determined by the artist to be a part of the work, then he essentially frees himself from it.

Furthermore, criticism's function is to stand separate from the artwork in question, evaluating it from a different point-of-view.

HHH choosing to "include it" as part of the artwork is a massive cop-out and also insulting to critics.

>> No.53782813

>>53782790
Yes. Vitriol doesn't really sound like any of the other tracks on the album.

>> No.53782815

>>53782790
Vitriol is the only track like it on the album.
You might like the rest.

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53782827

>>53782655
you're not an art historian you're a moron please leave

>> No.53782831

>>53782813
>>53782815
Cool. Thanks, guys. Haven't heard this leak yet so I'm pretty hyped.

>> No.53782848

>>53782803
haha artists can't even be meta anymore without cucks getting bitter

>> No.53782864

>>53782531
Lol!
>thinking any though went in to that painting

You've been classically memed sir, well done

>> No.53782883

>>53782848

Meta become boring after Dada.

Sorry.

>> No.53782900

>>53782803
>HHH choosing to "include it" as part of the artwork is a massive cop-out and also insulting to critics.
yeah no, read this again
>>53782360
you already avoided the main point of this post by memeing
>"ITS ALL PART OF THE PROJECT MAN"
all and any criticism is validated by being the final process of the albums cycle, just like in real life eh?

>> No.53782925

>>53782831
Just to add, this album seems to be a bit of an acquired taste in general. Personally I didn't like it a whole lot but there's also a lot of people praising it.

>> No.53782926

>>53782883
>he thinks he's a big fish because his wiping his art degree on a /mu/ discussion about glitch metal

you're a big guy

>> No.53782948

>>53782926
UUUU

>> No.53782952
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>>53782926
>glitch metal
Please don't tell me this is going to be a thing.

>> No.53782953

>>53782864
>not understanding the aesthetics of paint and color distribution

It's like a pizza. If you order a pepperoni pizza and all the pepperonis were stacked on top of each other then it's a shitty pizza. The pepperonis should be evenly distributed.

>> No.53782973

how is nobody talking about reign array? it's easily the least controversial part of the album- and maybe the best song too

it's just a flat out 11 minute fucking banger

>> No.53782994

>>53782973
I wouldn't really say any of the tracks are controversial except Vitriol.

>> No.53783019

>>53782953
Ohhh so he splattered random bits of paint evenly

Fucking master piece m8

>> No.53783044

>>53783019
You can't be random evenly.
Even implies that there's order.

>> No.53783130

>>53782900
>all and any criticism is validated by being the final process of the albums cycle, just like in real life eh?


He's admitting it will "be a process of the album's cycle" but yet you keep telling me he's not including criticism as part of the project.

Sounds like he is.

Maybe you can link the interview, because you're having trouble clearly articulating his point-of-view.

>> No.53783174

>>53782926
You don't need an art degree to know that self-aware art is old hat

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53783220

>>53783044
>You can't be random evenly.

;) ow yes you can

>> No.53783254

>>53783220
No where near even. Your use of white space is horrible and your choice in colors don't work.

>> No.53783278

>>53783220
That's not random. It's very clearly organised into vertical bands of five seperate colors.
Try again.

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53783279

>>53783254
Cheers

>> No.53783321

>>53783279
RIP Davey P

>> No.53783356
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53783356

>>53783278
Ok , how about now?

>> No.53783401

>>53783356
I'd pay like $15 tops

>> No.53783440

>>53774005
It's alright. If we view it as an experimental rock album rather than a black metal album then it's certainly great.

No doubt people will claim it's the logical conclusion of black metal or that hit's the best thing released in the genre or other such silliness though. (Especially if it gets a bnm)

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>> No.53783731

I was disappointed.

I expected one of the following:
>A glorious, beautiful, transcendent mess
>An obnoxious, unlistenable mess

Instead my first impressions were just... meh. It's okay. Some good moments - Quetzalcoatl sounds better in the content of the album, dat Father Vorizen riff, and Vitriol was surprisingly catchy. Too many moments that didn't necessarily annoy me as they did make me think "just get on with it."

I have no idea what to make of the atmosphere of this record.

>> No.53783785

>>53783356
comparable with TMR

true art

like wow

>> No.53783841

>>53783279
FUCK YOU BABAK

>> No.53783985

>>53782790
Give Kel Valhaal a listen it's still got black metal influence, flows better than quetzalcoatl, and hooooooorns

>> No.53784022

>>53782925
It's grown on me in the past few listens, at first I thought it was just ok, around 6. Then I got past the flat production, and it's at least an 8 for me.

>> No.53784031

I think a real 320 leaked, can someone check What.CD or something? Im pretty sure the one floating around is a transcode.

>> No.53785624

10/10

>> No.53786248

>>53774996
When did oneohtrix say he was influenced by Liturgy?

>> No.53786821

>tfw Fanfare sounds like a memerap album intro

tbh, I like a lot of the instrumentals on the album. The band knows how to play, but its easy to tell they all revolve around the drums directly. They sometimes reuse the same beat at times, and even have the melody directly sync with the drums and bass on Kel Valhaal. Sounds very cheap at times. can get annoying, thankfully some surprise sound glitches occur which keep things interesting at times. Overall, instrumentally I think they drag things out a little too longs. More variation like on Aesthethica. Still tight though.

Now the thing id say is most polarizing is the vocals from HHH, a complete change from high pitched screeches of dread, to a very monotonous voice. Pretty unique voice in my opinion, my problem is, is that his voice has like no variation throughout this entire album. His flow of words might syncopate differently depending on the beat of each track, but he just kinda sounds like he is blankly singing this huge carry-on sentence. It gets quite annoying after a while.. But don't get me wrong, some of the songs oddly fit his voice and it kicks ass. Like right when his voice comes in....finally on Kel Valhaal, or the hook on Vitriol. Too bad it goes downhill after that though, struggling to keep a competent flow over the beat.

>I turn your ashes to gold
>you repay me with vitriol

Overall: At least it's very interesting as a whole. Very nice instrumentation, midi effects, (I actually liked the midi horns) they're pretty funny. Unfortunately I didn't think the vocals were anything special. The vocal performance is pretty meh compared to Aesthethica, less energy, less variety.
There's good parts, great parts, and bad parts. Still an interesting album to check out though.

6/10
$ Noteworthy concept
$ Solid instrumentation
x Annoyingly repetitive segments
x Vocals are hit and miss

Standouts: Follow, Kel Valhaal, Father Horizon, Total War
Burnouts: Quetzacoatl, Haelegen, Vitriol

>> No.53786904

Link?

>> No.53787649

The mixing was ok, and could have been better in places (imagine if M. Geddes Gengras put his hands on this!). Loved the album, Father Verizon and Vitriol are my favourite tracks. HHH's nasally drone voice doesn't get on my nerves.

>> No.53788454

>>53783356
>tfw I see the Pepe
Nice

>> No.53788546

WHERE THE FUCK DO I DOWNLOAD IT???

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