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>>53276133
>enjoy you are placebos
thanks, i am will

>>53276133
I wonder if spending that much money is worth it, seriously how much can't be heard in music?

>>53276133
what the shit are these aps?

>>53276551
>i am will

>>53276582
not enough to actually care

>>53276603
I can understand that good equipment is going to make things sound better, but spending thousands of dollors on it is insane to me..I'm happy with my akg q701's I honestly dont think there's really that much to be heard. If anything it's mostly an effect or something small that's unnoticeable when listening though shitty headphones.

>>53276133
>recording, mixing and mastering on audio equipment under $50
Yikes.

>>53276653
exactly why i said its not enough to actually care

>inb4 flac archive pasta

>>53276653
>I have shitty hearing
>therefor everyone else must have too

>>53276716
I dont have shitty hearing at all, just skeptical over spending thousands of dollars in audio equipment and if it's really worth it. I got a cheap amp and dac over here and it does the job..Yeah, there is a difference in quality, and effects, vocals, and instruments that I didnt hear with shitty headphones have came forward, but does it really get any better?

>>53276795
>just skeptical over spending thousands of dollars in audio equipment and if it's really worth it
Obviously you get what you pay for

>>53276795
Bought grado sr60i's and they were so much better than what I had heard before. So much more detail etc in music. Cost 80 bucks.

After a while I decided to upgrade to Sr325i's for 300 bucks. The difference between these two cans (I have and use both regularly still) is so subtle it's hard to put a 220 dollar price on it.

IE I think you hit a plateau extremely quickly when it comes to buying good audio gear.

>>53276133
enjoy you're placebos would be a good name for a rock band actually

>>53276795
>does it really get any better?
Yeah. It does.

this stuff only makes sense if you're stupidly rich. otherwise the improvements are so minimal that you're undermining your financial stability over almost nothing

>>53276903
m8 you dont have to be stupidly rich to be able to spend a grand or two on something you enjoy w/ out "undermining your financial stability"

>>53276893
what else is there to hear? can you elaborate?

>>53276941
If there wasn't anything else to hear, the market wouldn't exist.

This is the USB cable I use for all of my audio


http://www.whathifi.com/audioquest/cinnamon-usb/review


Anything less is just pure pleb. Enjoy your shitty lack of any detail whatsoever, while I bask in the deep beauty of this 32bit Queen boxset

>>53276133
holy fuck this image looks ludicrously ridiculous

>>53276987
im laffin.

top kek

>>53276987
Why are you wasting a good cable on overrated shitty glam rock?

>>53276974
and also dumb enough people who spend thousands of dollars on equipments that'll provide minimal improvements

>mfw i'm listening to bowie through laptop speakers right now

>2015
>not using Brilliant Pebbles to improve your listening experience

http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina31.htm

>>53277051
guy with the akg's here, if anything I can hear little things, like a string buzzing on a fret, hands sliding on the strings, the singer taking breaths..little things like that. Guess i'd just have to listen to a $10,000 set up to make my mind up..still seems like bullshit though.

>>53276987
>For
>Lightness of touch
>gains in smoothness and authority

>Against
>A little too polite

this has to be satire, right?

>>53277118
they have a whole page of them
http://www.whathifi.com/products/accessories/audio-inteconnects-digital

>>53276974
See
>>53277136

>>53277136
jesus

>>53277105
>he doesn't use the ojectively superior mushroom prximity tweaker
>http://coconut-audio.com/proximitystone.html
you are litterally a pleb

>>53277199
oh shit i'm fucking crying here

>>53277199
Definitely going to invest in some of these.

>>53277199
>http://coconut-audio.com/proximitystone.html
>It cleans blackbody radiation from the component without negative side effects.
>This pyramid naturally collects negative energy from the base, and beams out positive energy from the apex using our proprietary crystal formulas.

>not being MDR-V6 masterrace

>>53277240
They must work tho because there is evidently a market for these.

why don't you buy a gf instead of amps ?

>>53277199
LOL
that has to be a joke

>>53277106
akgfag here too, why the fuck would someone like hearing even more details beyond these you mentioned?Isn't it just enough? Hell, like if there's any more past those to be heard and it would make the greatest difference in a whole song

>>53277296
nope.
Dramatic improvements

>>53277199
>Unreal: Very open, black and spacious with extra 3 dimensionality. Super clear with more microdetail like opening up a window to another dimension!

8/8

is it bad that i listen to music with a gaming headset?

>>53277331
b-but they, they look like,

>>53277330
Honestly how much farther can you get? what else is there to hear?

I don't even own expensive shit like that, and I produce music.

>>53277263
Hey son, Coconut Audio is a satirical website.

(not that even more absurd audiophile bullshit doesn't exist)

>>53277357
Yes. Gaming headsets are shit all around: shit mic, shit headphones. Even some Koss Porta-Pros would sound better.

>>53277199
>MEGA SATA cable is the best SATA cable ever produced. Using Carbon Fiber it collects and stores RFI/EMI from the computer which results in cleaner sound with higher resolution and microdetail.

>>53277357

you like it : it's good

>>53277428
some people like murder

>>53277386

> shit mic

what does this have to do with listening to music ?

>>53276941
You're right that the improvements may be minimal, but when people want the best and have the money to spend, then why not? It's more of an obsession to get as close to perfection as possible, really. Why settle with a Ferrari when you can afford a Bugatti?

As for improvements, there are always bonuses to be had in clarity, sound-stage, general comfort, and really just the quality of music. It may seem unreasonable to you, but audiophiles don't care. If you're not looking for the best you can buy, then clearly you don't have the same obsession for listening perfection that audiophiles do. That doesn't mean they're wrong, though.

>>53277376
> I can hear little things, like a string buzzing on a fret, hands sliding on the strings, the singer taking breaths
that far + general details on a song. And I doubt if there's anymore past that

>>53277449
>he doesn't reply to his music

>>53277464
>but when people want the best and have the money to spend, then why not? It's more of an obsession to get as close to perfection as possible, really
/THREAD
that's really the point

>>53277445

yeah but nobody likes overpopulation

>>53277428
This is basically fat person logic

>>53277492
still what else is there to hear? people keep dodging this question.

Idk right now I'm using a beyerdynamics dt880, previously I had Creative Aurvana, Meme50's and Koss Porta Pros and with every upgrade I've felt there was a significant boost in sound quality.

Though this is probably where headphone go from great to enthusiast tier.

>>53277521
>As for improvements, there are always bonuses to be had in clarity, sound-stage, general comfort, and really just the quality of music.
>>53277464
>As for improvements, there are always bonuses to be had in clarity, sound-stage, general comfort, and really just the quality of music.

>>53277376
It's not about hearing more things, it's about the things you hear sounding crisper, cleaner, fuller, more alive. It's a subtle effect if you don't know what you're looking for, and if you just go in wanting to hear more detail you're naturally going to hit a wall very fast because there's only so much detail one can extract before it becomes ridiculous.

>>53277554
woops, didn't mean to paste that line twice

>>53277554
how clear can things get? there has to be a limit before it becomes snake oil

I started to have similar sentiments to OP, but I listened to m b v the other night on vinyl, and liked how it sounded. It also came with a CD, so I put in on afterwards for comparison.

Guess which instantly won.
Protip: the vinyl

can someone explain what sound-stage is

i mean from a physics point of view, not by linking me to some 'audiophile' page

>>53277507

Yes but listening to music won't really affect your health

(except listening to noise , that shit will make you deaf but at least you deserved it)

>>53277296
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdEnM84POvE
You ain't seen nothing yet.
They have a whole promotion channel with a dude playing the shittiest J-pop on their stuff to show how great the cables sound, on a youtube video recorded on a phone, with the music played through a 30 bucks DAC.

>>53277569
>crisper, cleaner, fuller, more alive.

do these terms have any actual meaning tho? what are you improving? phase correlation?

>>53277521
for the great majority there's really nothing else, but then again there are people willing (and capacable of) to spend great amounts of money on this obsession with details

>>53277586
You'll just have to experience it for yourself some day and find out.

>>53277636
literally a religion

>>53277586
Nope, a million dollar setup IS going to sound better than a $100,000 setup. the 100,000 setup is going to sound fucking amazing but the million dollar one is going to sound like the music is actually being performed right infront of you.
The price to quality ratio is absolutely horrible at that level of course but if you want the best and you have the money, you're gonna get what you want.

>>53277599
the space which the sound occupies, really. Really good soundstage paired with a good mix on the music should make it so you can hear where the instruments are, and make it sound like the musicians are playing right there

>>53277521
because it's a pleb question and you're just going to shit all over any earnest answer

>>53277672
right, even tho the signal path was 6 or so discrete mics going thru a mixer and then maybe even thru a DAW

yeah so it's complete bullshit

http://www.amazon.com/AudioQuest-Terminated-Speaker-Cable-Discontinued/dp/B000J36XR2#customerReviews

>>53277625
improved frequency separation, subtle saturation, lots of shit that might not seem important but make all the difference to a keen listener.

>>53277686

>implying you have one (except post-auditory vibrations)

>>53277607
Intellectual stimulation is worth more than you're letting on.

Doing something just because you "like it" is rarely the best way to go about things.

>>53277719
>frequency separation
that doesn't mean anything either unless you're mixing tracks
unless it's a fancy term for crossover, which i doubt

>>53277357
No, I listen with one of the higher end Tritons, and I'm able to listen to music while I play a game and in a skype call and I can't complain one bit.

>>53277051
and also dumb enough people who spend tens of dollars on equipments thinking that expensive equipment provide no improvements

>>53277719
https://www.google.be/search?client=opera&q=frequency+separation&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

lol

>>53277888
once you get over $2k for an amp it's diminishing returns tho, and some of the things ITT like the USB cables are just pure 100% bullshit

>>53277814

>Doing something just because you "like it" is rarely the best way to go about spare-time

guess who's the retard now

>>53277626
how much more detail can there possibly fucking be other than whats in the recording? I'm not getting spending shitloads of money for such a small difference in detail.

>>53276551
K E K
you destroyed has that asspussyboi

>>53277961
Lol and that's you. You don't have the obsession. What aren't you getting through your head?

>>53277357
it certainly isn't good

>>53277961
>>53277961
>I'm not getting spending shitloads of money for such a small difference in detail
that's what everyone is pointing out ITT and yet you keep asking the same thing.That's about it,you're not going far from what( I guess) you already experienced, it's not worth the shitloads of money

>>53277961

At some point you might be capable to hear the thought of the bassist holding a fart and trying to remerber the next chord progression

and this shit's priceless

> tfw start to get into "audiophile" phase

> whenever i upgrade anything i spend all my time thinking and envisioning what the next one would sound and look like

> instead of listening to music i spend my time thinking how much better/different it would sound with higher end equipment

> spend hours a day researching bookshelf speakers, monitor speakers and subs

> spend hours watching reviews of speakers

> finally get new speakers and amp

> just think of how much better "higher end" speakers would be

> dont even enjoy music anymore

> tfw i was happier listening to music on my cheap pc speakers

its the WORST thing to get into.

>>53278145
i was just imagining some beatles fan finally getting THAT headphone amp, plugging it in, putting on the white album, and being able to hear yoko ono's annoying voice in the background on every track

>>53277961
>small difference
people forget how important the most subtle differences can be. like if you consider your sense of directionality, you can tell what direction sound comes from by the delay between hearing it in one ear compared to the other. the speed of sound is really really fast so that difference is absolutely tiny, I mean now long does it take for sound to travel a few inches? yet its fundamental to how your aural perception works. likewise with fine detail, accurate and detailed timbre makes the difference between a convincing representation of a string instrument or a human voice and an unconvincing one. the whole experience your brain builds of the sounds around you is affected by what at first thought seems like really minor things
adding up all the tiny & subtle improvements possible with better equipment makes for a more vivid and involving experience when listening to music and thats what people are paying for

>>53278512
>stacking vinyl
needless to say your post was discarded

>>53278560
needless to say that not really my stereo

>>53276133
>spending more than $50 on audio equipment

Does your computer count? If so that's a bit of an issue.

>>53277464
I agree. The point is that such a minimal difference may be a gigantic one for an "audiophile". It all comes down to subjective preferences in the end.

Bugatti are shit though. Sorry I'll >>>/o/

>>53278349
This is no joke my Skyrim modding experience

>tfw start to get into "modding" phase

>whenever i install another mod i spend all my time thinking and envisioning how cool the gameplay is going to be

>instead of playing the game i spend my time thinking how much better it could get with more mods and a higher end pc

>spend hours a day looking through mod sites of all languages

>spend hours watching youtube reviews and livestreams to get modlists

>finally finished modding the game

>thinking of how cool it could be

>start the game and cant enjoy it

>tfw i was happier with just a few mods than my overload

>>53276710
rec'ing this pasta
never seen it
interested
>mfw captcha asks me to identify all pictures that are of pasta
>shitbrix.jpg

I have these and I don't think there is a lot I'm missing out.
People saying there is much more remind me of myself when I trusted /g/ that FLAC's make a big difference and I started downloading everything in FLAC and re-ripping all of my CDs until I made a ABX blind test and failed more than 50 times.
Placebo or not, I don't care because it would cost more than it's worth.

>>53278573
>my setup
murder yourself

>>53279043
nope

>>53278791
im glad you can relate to my suffering

>>53278888
The Custom One is a neat pair of cans.
You just have shit taste in bleebs.

>>53279234
>You just have shit taste in bleebs
>my music is objectively better than yours
lmao you are just mad that you aren't listening to cascada & blümchen all day long

>>53279627
>boy
>meets girl
>you were my dream my world

>>53279234

> i dont listen to hardcore

>>53276133
>And yet, still hearing it in an untreated room with shitty acoustics.
>Not having a sweet spot.

>>53276937
Check your privilege

>>53279653
>I listen to Angerfist and claim to listen to hardcore

Is 1,500 too much for headphones?

audiophiles are basically just gear heads, they don't actually like music

>>53280126
nah

those are worth it

reminder that NOBODY has EVER passed a blind lossy/lossless listening test

>>53277704
Have you not listened to anything but earbuds? Soundstage is the easiest thing to listen for with headphones. Even my pleb friends with no experience in audio try out my headphones and remark how it sounds like the instruments are playing around them.

>>53280101
>implying Pissin Razorblades and Mutilat3 aren't decent nu hardcore albums
can you please stop being a nazi about what is hardcore and what is not?
Angerfist, Neophyte and Rotterdam Terror Corps are always good to fall back to if you lost yourself in shitty new Crossbreed Hardcore releases.

And pic related is dead

>>53280040
no but seriously its not even an expensive thing, drop some money on a good quality system and youre set, theres no reason why it shouldnt last 20 years. people will go out and spend >1k on a laptop and keep it 3 years then they want a new one but somehow a decent stereo that lasts forever for someone who really loves music is a weird thing or unjustifiable expense

About a year ago I did a blind test involving 128, 320 and flacs, and it was extremely hard (if not impossible) to tell the 320 kbps mp3s apart from the flac files.

v0 truly is the GOAT format

>>53276582
enough to actually care

>>53276133
has literally never heard even moderately high end equipment.

>>53280126
As an owner of those headphones, I can confidently say they're worth it if you have the money to spend.

honestly if you think you are getting the same experience with 50$ equipment as you would with even 200$ you have probably never heard anything other than 50$ equipment. the most dramatic jump in quality is going from the sub 100$ to the approximately 400$ range.

>>53281691
"YEAH BUT WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU IMPROVING?!?!"

-oblivious op

>>53276133
Holy shit, I think that picture was taken at T.H.E. Show Newport! I was there and tried that exact setup!

>>53280191
i have all this shit downloaded for some reason and i've never listened to it. i also have all the bonkers compilations i don't even go to clubs

As an audio and acoustic engineer the word "audiophile" induces immediate cringe and laughter. Always such fucking bullshit and half-right theories. I can appreciate people have hobbies and enthusiasm but the whole audiophile community is so fucking annoying. Even their magazines are shitty with writers and editors who have made an art form out of writing complete bullshit that seems to make perfect sense.

Audiophiles are to audio engineers what tool-collecting greasemonkeys are to mechanics. A fucking joke.

>>53276795
>does it really get any better?

Yes.

My setup is:

JDSLabs ODAC -> Bravo Audio V3 Tube Amp -> AKG Q701 (Austria version) (port modded)


I'm pretty happy with it, it was a pretty significant step up from my ATH M50. My library is FLAC but I honestly can't tell the difference between FLAC and V0. Gaming on Q701s is also much better than anything I've tried in the past (too many 1337 g4m1ng 7.1 bla bla bla headsets to list) with it's crazy soundstage.

I also have Bose QC15s for mobile use, sound is average but the noise canceling is the best on the market (haven't tried the QC25 though).

I enjoy my audio setup. Audio hardware is a fun hobby which works well with my music listening hobby.

>>53281820
>i have all this shit downloaded for some reason and i've never listened to it
its not easy to get into unless you started listening to it early

>>53280181
funno where youre getting earbuds from
it's just that no one who actually understands how sound works even uses terms like soundstage, it's just a stupid way to discuss phase coherence for pleb salesmen who work in expensive hifi shops

>>53281861
>JDSLabs
Hell yeah brotha.

>>53276133
>24-bit vinyl rips
I only do this if it't something not released digitally/on CD and is exceptionally rare, otherwise I usually do V0 or 320.

>>53281893
Soundstage is not an exact term or anything but that doesn't make it "bullshit". Most people do not understand the different variables that make up soundstage but almost everyone can hear it.

So are you mad at the term or just autistic because you don't like people who are less knowledgeable using terms they don't understand the basis of? People should stop using the term "bass" too because they don't know what frequencies bass actually is, right?

>>53277961

Different people listen for and hear different things in what they listen to. What may be a small difference to you is actually a world of a difference to someone who's ears are trained to listen to details in sound and differences in sound quality.

>>53282113
But there's a huge difference between $100 and $300 headphones. It's not small or nuanced at all.

>>53277665
Have you heard music being performed right in front of you? If so your hearing's probably fucked enough by now not to profit from a $1,000 setup, let alone a million dollar one.

>>53281893
you might want to get out more. ...or stay inside and read some articles on hifi audio. you will see that "soundstage" is often used. of course, you already know this and are just trying to demonstrate your superiority on the fourchins.

>>53282093
i was referring to this
>Really good soundstage paired with a good mix on the music should make it so you can hear where the instruments are,

because the instruments are nowhere, they are in all likelihood being panned on a mixer

this idea of 'reproducing the scene' is what's bullshit

as for the term i don't really care if people use it but having read a bit about it this aft i concluded it was just a way for people to compare stereo width without getting too into the details, and i'm a bit more chilled about it as a thing

so yeah i guess i'm agreeing with you lol

>>53282469
>the instruments are nowhere, they are in all likelihood being panned on a mixer
yeah, what he means is
>so you can hear where the instruments are in the mix
whether theyre naturally mic'd or its an illusion created at the desk, the reproduction of it is what soundstage means

>>53282433
right yeah
well i just saw people scoring points but with no clue what they were on about, why not point that out

>>53282356
>million dollar audio setup
even if i had the money i'd still think spending that much money is crazy. i'm hoping this is an exaggeration and people really dont spend a million on a setup.

>>53282546
yeah but what are you reproducing? if it's just panning then fine
but it seems like manufacturers are artificially extending stereo width in order to meet some existing benchmark for 'soundstaging'
and i think that's really stupid
but, opinions

>>53278883
Hearing the difference now isn’t the reason to encode to FLAC. FLAC uses lossless compression, while MP3 is ‘lossy’. What this means is that for each year the MP3 sits on your hard drive, it will lose roughly 12kbps, assuming you have SATA – it’s about 15kbps on IDE, but only 7kbps on SCSI, due to rotational velocidensity. You don’t want to know how much worse it is on CD-ROM or other optical media.

I started collecting MP3s in about 2001, and if I try to play any of the tracks I downloaded back then, even the stuff I grabbed at 320kbps, they just sound like crap. The bass is terrible, the midrange…well don’t get me started. Some of those albums have degraded down to 32 or even 16kbps. FLAC rips from the same period still sound great, even if they weren’t stored correctly, in a cool, dry place. Seriously, stick to FLAC, you may not be able to hear the difference now, but in a year or two, you’ll be glad you did.

The amount you spend on your hobby is based on what kind of experience you want. I wanted a decent record player with speakers and then some headphones for times when I can't really listen to music out loud (neighbors).

So my turntable is 250, receiver is 50, speakers and powered sub set me back another 200. Then I decided that I wanted a decent set of headphones. Settled on some grados that were 80, but they weren't great portable so I got some portapros.

So far the total cost is around 700 dollars and that's a pretty basic setup imo. I don't have fancy amplifiers and stuff, I just want shit that isn't gonna fall apart, I don't care about any of this "superior sound quality" shit.

I'm just not a bitter teenager with no job, like you, OP.

>>53280241
Fucking this. You'd think a bunch of goddamn fucking nerds on 4chan (and I KNOW there is a big overlap between /mu/, /g/ and /v/) would understand this.

>>53282648
A cool trick people don't know is that freezing your vinyl really helps with crackling and also expands the midrange. I have a large freezer in my garage just for vinyl.

>>53282648
>due to rotational velocidensity
>The bass is terrible, the midrange…well don’t get me started
everytime

>>53282159

I totally agree, but some people aren't perceptive to changes in sound quality - they don't listen for that and it's not important to them.