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proud of YOU! man :^)

Haven't seen his review yet, what was wrong with it?

>>53216310
I don't even care what he gave it, but i'm glad you finally saw the light man.

seriously, Fantano hasn't had a good opinion in like 3 years.

>>53216341
he gave it an epic 6/10

That panda bear review was the one for me. Fucking terrible.

>>53216349
>>53216310
What makes your opinions so special?

>>53216341
He gave it a 6/10, which probably says enough.
Also he completely missed the point of the jet sounds in Dragon, any preliminary research and he would have known it's inspired by an aircraft hanger near his house.

Is this the end of fantano? Can he ever recover from this blunder?

ITT: Butthurt fanboys
Id say Sauna is a 7/10

>>53216391
nope

>>53216367
I don't know but they're better than everyone else's.

No but really, about 2 or 3 years ago i finally realized what my "tastes" were, and at this point i didn't need his recs anymore, but i still watched his videos every now and then. It was at that point i realized his opinions are garbage and are only useful to those who don't actually know what they want in music.

how the fuck can someone call this one of the least inspired Mount Eerie albums

>>53216391
If he can give MBDTF a 6 and not be stopped, he can pretty much do anything.

ITT: "This score was criminal!"

"Why was this score criminal?"

"I don't have any reasons, it just is!!!"

>>53216367
who said they were you imbecile?

ITT: fanboys upset a internet reviewer didn't validate their opinions

>>53216384
he said that he figured it had an importance to phil but it hindered to song nonetheless.

grow up babby

>>53216464
Its called fanboyism. Fantanos score wasnt even that harsh, just average, they are acting like he shit all over the album.

>>53216486
Why the fuck would i ever want Fantano to validate my opinions?

>>53216436
because he reviews albums after one listen and that basically the exact opposite of how you're meant to approach any of Phil's work
6/10 no twinkling guitars or catchy hooks

>>53216352
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>>53216491
ya'll are So epic x)

and that joey badass record which is basically just a remake of some of the more mediocre 90s east coast stuff got an 8/10. uhh.

>>53216504
Why are you in this thread complaining about Fantano's opinions?

fuck you

Seriously I don't get him. It either has to be really obscure and noisy (see Totems, Merzbow as an example) to have a good review or extremely exaggerated and/or ironic pop (La Roux, Pom Pom, Kyary Pamyu Pamyu).

Also he knows shit about electronic, the reviews are so poor. It has to be Tim Hecker type ambient to get a good review or something more accessible (FlyLo, FKA Twigs).

Albeit all this, he has been on point with some reviews (Drone Logic, Exai, Psychic). Most of the time, it's just so dare I say contrarian

>>53216513
6/10

>>53216528
Hey, don't blame ME for being offended at shit opinions. Blame the person with the shit opinions.

>>53216528
This, the same people that say they dont care about the melons opinion are the same ones that bitch about his opinion when he pans an album they like

>>53216543
He's a joke.
Everybody knows it.
I just wish people would stop posting him here, he makes money out of this meme, while all we do is cringe.

>>53216568
How is an opinion evaluated to be a shit one? Is it simply one which you don't agree with?

>>53216578
What the fuck is wrong with you? use fucking dots to finalize your sentence.
Jesus fucking Christ.

>>53216310
HOW DARE HE DISLIKE CUNT FIRE

>>53216593
When an opinion is objectively wrong and might stop people from listening to a great album, then it's shit

You guys are right, his opinion was wrong
Should've been a 3/10

>>53216515
That was a really good record though. Christ Conscious shits on any of the pretentious crap off of sauna. Mt eerie is for people who take insulin shots and day dream about being the main character in Indie rom coms.

>>53216310
Does anyone here agree with his interpretation of PLANETS or SPRING?

>>53216604
oh no! I forgot a period :( that invalidates my statement!

>>53216593
There are a lot of different types of shit opinions, but Fantano's usually tend to be the kind that are coming from a blatantly uninformed person who misses the point on a fuckton of albums that he reviews.

>>53216568
>don't blame me for being offended, blame the subjectively offensive person
>if you are offended by me saying "hi" the blame is on me for your offence, not you
cool

>>53216593
I agree with you to some point.
But he backs his opinions up with weak arguments from flawed perspectives, typical of those who don't understand, and don't want to understand something.

>>53216610
>Opinion
>Objectivity

>>53216610
>says opinions are objective
>posts a subjective opinion in the same post
are you retarded by chance?

>>53216632
>don't blame me for being offended, blame the objectively offensive person

FTFY

>>53216626
I was joking... :\

this is phil's best record in a while
fuck fantano

>>53216649
>>53216646
are you gonna ignore the correct replies?

>>53216666
damn those quads.
Too bad the album is still a 7/10 at best.

>>53216666
I preferred Clear Moon
It's decent tho

>>53216620
I'm trying to imagine Spring playing in a rom com and it's hilarious.

>>53216630
>blatantly uninformed person who misses the point on a fuckton of albums
Quite the statement coming from a bandwagoner on /mu/. It's also quite hard to claim when someone is uninformed when the basis for this claim is simply because that someone has opinions you don't like.

>>53216636
No, they are not "weak" or "flawed". Its only appearing to you specifically as that because you don't agree with him and want to write him off as simply not "getting it". You're the equivalent as the the anons on /tv/ who circlejerk over "Only God Forgives".

>>53216384
hahahahah are you fucking daft
"preliminary research" is not required to review a piece of music
if the sounds you put on a record can't stand by themselves, it's not a good record

>>53216683
Too bad you have shit taste

>>53216652
>objectively offensive
nice meme
stuff is only offensive if the person being offensive lets it be offensive
thus, the person being offended is creating the offensive connotation to whatever being said. it's their fault.

yall know that niggas not genuine, right?

>>53216666
winds poem was good, still gotta check this one out haven't given it a proper listen yet. nice digits btw

SPRING IS A GOD TIER TRACK

>>53216704
>Quite the statement coming from a bandwagoner on /mu/.

What makes you think i'm a bandwagoner? Just curious.

>>53216706
Too bad thats just an opinion :(

>>53216704
Nice ad hominem.
Yes, they are flawed because he ignores the point the artist wants to convey, which what makes art good, and why so many other people like art.
You're too defensive, btw.
Are you the melon?

I regret making this thread, but I'm not going to pretend I didn't think this was going to happen

>>53216732
>regret making a thread
Everybody is gonna call everybody a faggot, tomorrow they'll circlejerk around rym.
who cares.

Guess I'm done with Anthony

>>53216730
>Nice ad hominem.
Ummm anon, you've already pulled that off by trying to discredit Fantano as being "uninformed" on the basis that you don't agree with him.

>>53216777
At least I supported my perspective instead of just calling him that.
wow

>>53216777
I'm this >>53216636, btw

he's entitled to his opinion and all so this thread is silly but still, I can't imagine what it's like being in the head of someone who doesn't find Sauna more interesting than joey badass. that'd be like recommending Taken 2 over The Tree of Life or something. oh well

>tfw Fantano is probably monitoring this thread sobbing while listening to The Glow Part 2

>>53216704
But he really doesn't get it. SPRING isn't about seasons and PLANETS not about the universe.

>>53216718
Anyone who shows enthusiasm is just trying to fit in. Indifference is the one true emotion.

I thought he'd like it

>>53216809
they're both shit movies, but I get your point.

>>53216435
I have finally experienced /mu/ elitism

>>53216310
Anthony Sauntano is forgetting the point of reoccurring theme withing Phil's Music. Phil is always going to have these themes because he enjoys them. Anthony is now thinking of it as, "It's the same thing as clear moon?"

>>53216730
>Yes, they are flawed because he ignores the point the artist wants to convey
What if he didn't, what if he simply just did not enjoy the "point" the artist wants to convey. Is every album simply objectively good because an artist has a point they want to convey? Why is it so important to understand that point when the music is still unenjoyable or doesn't do much of a good effort to convey that point? I think the fact that you claim that Anthony "missed the point" says more about the band than it does about Anthony.

>>53216310
he's an idiot

Fuck man I'm digging it a lot
I'd give it an 8.5

>>53216819
Haven't watched but did he really say that? Where did those interpretations even come from?

i guarantee that if death grips put an airplane noise in one of their songs he'd shit himself over how """visceral""" it is

/mu/ BTFO

>>53216614
This

>>53216881
Where did "Fantano absolutely loves DG" bullcrap come from?

>>53216881
Did you even watch the review for Government Plates. Funny because anons were losing their shit over the rating Fantano gave for that one, too.

>>53216855
Then he needs to show that in his review, which he didn't. So it's safer to assume he doesn't know the point, than to assume it does (especially on an album like this.)

>>53216881
that's actually true

>>53216444
>giving MBDTF a 6

I see no problem with this. I'd personally give it a light 7.

>>53216881
he liked mbv so that's definitely true

>>53216905
>So it's safer to assume he doesn't know the point
What is the point of the album exactly, anon?

>>53216901
He gave the meme store a 10

>>53216352
but the panda bear album actually was shit

ANTHONY! I KNOW YOU'RE HERE!

SHOW YOURSELF!

>dat bass on spring

muh dick

>>53216935
He gave TBK 10 too but nobody seems to care about that.

>>53216822
...y'know what, i can get with this opinion. I really can.

It's just that Fantano's opinions are embarrassing to listen to now. That's all.

>>53216933
I didn't mean to say the album had actually had "a point" its never that simple. That's not the point of the argument.
You basically just rationalized your way to the point of saying fantano just ignored what the artist wanted to convey, but cause he didn't like it.
If that's the point, then he's just a crap reviewer, which brings me to my original post.
He backs his opinions up from flawed perspectives.

>>53216978
tms review was back when he was kind of creditable

Wait /mu/ still watches this guy?

>bird-like female harmonies

Why was Fantano so quick to review this album? It feels like he didn't give it a chance.

he's losing it

>>53217042
Everyone does that but most can't admit that.

>>53217008
>I didn't mean to say the album had actually had "a point" its never that simple. That's not the point of the argument.
Well if you're going to write off a reviewer as being "uninformed" for not getting the apparent point, it kind of is.
>You basically just rationalized your way to the point of saying fantano just ignored what the artist wanted to convey
I never said "ignored". I said that if he didn't catch on to the point, then it is the failings of the artist.
>If that's the point, then he's just a crap reviewer, which brings me to my original post.
He gave a 10 minute video explaining why he didn't like it. The emphasis is on the word "why".
>He backs his opinions up from flawed perspectives.
What's so flawed about it? The fact that it isn't your perspective?

>>53217063
Yeah it's definitely more of a grower album

>>53217042
i dont really. i just see the numbers he gives things. if its high, ill check it out. if not, ill usually not unless somewhere else tells me its decent or if i know the band already or if the genre sounds interesting

>>53217088
Get the fuck out, pothead.

SUCK PHILS DICK HARDER FGTS

Did he have an advance copy? Because if not then he either reviewed it less than 24 hours after it leaked or reviewed a 128kbps stream. I'm not sure which is worse.

>>53217008
I agree
It's one thing to argue that the themes and points an artist is trying to explore isn't pulled off successfully, or the points are cliched. That's okay with me, because it requires knowing what those points are in first place, and then going deeper. The problem we have with Fantano is that he tries to do this, but with a flawed understanding of what points the artist is even trying to make, either because he's apathetic or unintelligent. His foundation is fucked up, so any opinions he constructs on it is invalid.

>>53216996
I was being sarcastic that is insane

>mfw you have to get the "point" to like or dislike music

>>53217146
What is the point the artist is trying to make on this album?

>>53217173
more like it helps, especially when talking about Phil
inb4 8 the b8

>>53216310

No shit he gave it a 6/10, it sounds like a half-assed demo

>>53216922
It's an 8 in my book. 8.5 on some days.

>>53217099
Grower albums are a thing.

>actually listening to this morons "opinions"

i bet you all think redlettermedia has insightful knowledge of film as well

>>53217200
Problem is you can make a faux "point" which fans will surely "understand" and shit on everyone criticizing the music where there is no "point". Not saying that it's the case with that album but everything is possible.

>people will skip this record thanks to fantano

im done

>>53217249
>kotn fan
>shit talking other things
Right-o, mate

>>53217078
I didn't say that, I'm not that guy.
>I never said "ignored". I said that if he didn't catch on to the point, then it is the failings of the artist.
You heavily implied to say the least
>What if he didn't, what if he simply just did not enjoy the "point" the artist wants to convey.
So even if
>He gave a 10 minute video explaining why he didn't like it. The emphasis is on the word "why".
He's just blankly opining, instead of actually reviewing (key word).
>What's so flawed about it? The fact that it isn't your perspective?
The fact that it's not what the artist's perspective, therefor its not whats actually in the album.
Sure its subjective to some degree, but its the same as to, say, a painting of a motherboard of a pc, and you, who don't know what that is say its just a processor. You're misinformed, and don't see what the artist actually did, so its a flawed perspective. That's basically what he shows in this video

Every Phil thread from now on will be filled with
>6/10
>Listening to a 6/10 album
>Why so mediocre?
>PANNED

>>53217315
And they used to be so comfy

>>53217078
>if he didn't catch on to the point, then it is the failings of the artist.
That's just not true. If you don't like moonlight sonata its Beethoven fault he didn't make it to fit your tastes, or your way of thinking?

>>53216705
this

>>53217315
>>53217340
This is truly the worst part of these "celebrity" reviewers. I'm terrified of what's going to happen after the p4k review, good or bad.

why is anthony becoming more insufferable

>>53217310
>You heavily implied to say the least
Stating "implications" is not a counter argument.
>He's just blankly opining, instead of actually reviewing (key word)
>Blankly opining
That actually makes no sense.
>The fact that it's not what the artist's perspective
The fact is that you're writing off the reviewer for not understanding the artists perspective.
>You're misinformed, and don't see what the artist actually did, so its a flawed perspective
You keep claiming that Fantano didn't get the perspective, but yet are unable to state what the perspective actually is, simply retorting that its "not the point" when it kind of is when you're writing off a reviewer for not "getting it".

>>53217301
>kotn
what the fuck is that?

>>53217373
hopefully a score that cant do damage
like 7 or 8

>>53217373
You can just ignore that shit, yo.

>>53217393
I bet he is tired from music.

>>53217393
Dat yootoob fame

>>53217348
>If you don't like moonlight sonata its Beethoven fault he didn't make it to fit your tastes
That's got nothing to do with what I said

>>53216947
Stop right there fucker

LEAVE ANTHONY ALONE

>>53217432
Not him, but its a 5/10

One opinion making you disregard someone.

There's only one opinion that should make you do that, and that's anarcho capitalism.

>>53217315
he already gave Ocean Roar a 5/10

Do we really need to bash Melonhead Fagtano this hard? He's ONE guy doing reviews, there's bound to be some messups. When P4k or Allmusic or wherever give an album rating, they have the opinions of a bunch of people so there's a general sense of how the album is. When Tano does it, it's only him. Chill out guys, its only one person.

TRAN

SITION

>>53217684
do they really?

>/mu/ will always be obsessed with anthony's opinions

>>53217684
I find I generally don't really agree with him too much but his videos are entertaining enough that I can keep watching.
Plus Cal Chuchesta is one of the best internet side characters since Doctor Insano.

>>53217684
i bet if this was your favorite album. You would be pissed.

>>53217427
It's the same

>>53217763
one person writes the review but the entire staff decides the score (do they vote or average?), so yea

>>53217801
>favourite album
>album has been out for what, 2 weeks.

Fucking hell /mu/, i come back for one day and theres this fucking shambles of an opinion out there

>all these newfags

a 6-10 means he likes it.

>>53217833
didnt know that, thanks

>>53217837
i just really liked it

You know, it's whatever

compare
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2uzq3A9YbU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjGiyA0Tj-M

I disagree with Fantano but I still respect his opinions and I don't let his opinions change mine. I really, really enjoy Sauna and I think it's one of the best Mount Eerie records, this review didn't change that.

Why is he calling this a continuation of Phil's drone direction. There's literally two songs with drone elements, most of the others are some of the poppiest he's done in a while.

>he gave pink floyds new album a higher score than this
dropped

why does boat give me so much feels

>>53216352
I thought it was spot on. album was mediocre at best imo

>Fantano giving a medicre rating to a good overhyped album
Sauna to become part of /mu/core soon

>>53216543
Spot on. Anthony just doesn't get subtle music at all. Like, his brain can't process it. He's a punk kid at heart.

Which is fine. But, y'know, people take his opinions to heart. At least he's consistent compared to Pitchfork which is a bunch of random people giving random ratings to things (retroactively, even).

Still, I don't care to watch him.

>>53218345
lol. Phil isn't even that popular on /mu/ outside of the Glow pt.2

>>53216352
That album is boring as fuck though I don't understand what the problem is.

>>53218001
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjGiyA0Tj-M
The beginning is somewhat relevant to this thread.

>>53216705
>if the sounds you put on a record can't stand by themselves, it's not a good record
Not true. With that opinion I can assume that literally all you care about are aesthetics.

>>53218476
I think he's saying the exact opposite. It doesn't matter what aesthetic the album or song is going for, if it doesn't sound good to you, then it's not good, plain and simple

>>53216497
This.

>>53216581
>>53216757
>>53217684
>bound to be some messups

Really? He's a critic. Why are you all acting surprised when he gives a score you don't agree with? It's his opinion. If anything he's a good one for not ass kissing every popular album he comes across.

>>53216830
First day on /mu/?

>>53216705
To be honest, part of liking an album is getting it. And "preliminary research" can help a listener to understand the emotional charge/inspiration behind an album in the first place

>>53218522
>if it doesn't sound good to you
I.e., if it isn't aesthetically pleasing. I don't see why it's such a bad thing for research on a certain album or back stories to deepen appreciation. People act like your initial opinion and gut response are all that should matter.

>Black Wooden Ceiling Opening has metal-core influences

dropped

>>53218370
Sauna isn't subtle

>>53219022
Yes, it is. Both lyrically and compositionally, and on occasion acoustically as well.

It may have some loud sounds and bombastic passages bordering on black metal, but these are intentionally very short. These orbit the longest tracks which are extended organ drones that go through many dynamic passages laced with ambient cues.

Here's the first track for instance:
The sound of a stylus needle contacting the record, making a heavy "thud" is a really cool effect, both bringing the track to a start and stop. The sounds of breathing and of pouring water onto coals to produce steam can be heard in addition to the crackling of fire. The track is basically a representation of a Sauna.

The airplane noises in Dragon, which Fantano seems to miss the significance of, gradually build in intensity overhead. There's a soft rain sound, so there are clouds overhead. Those airplane noises take on the effect of "dragon sounds" rumbling behind clouds.

Etc. Etc.

So yes, Sauna is a subtle album.

>a reviewer has a different opinion on a subjective work of art than me

I will never understand why people care about this. If you want someone to echo your exact opinion back at you, go read your RYM reviews back to yourself while looking in a mirror and jacking off.

"Y'all know this is just my opinion, right?"

>>53216568
>Offended at bad opinions
>Offended
Oh shut the fuck up you pussy, if you can't then tell us exactly where the melon was wrong

>>53217641
Anarcho communist detected

Saying "ITS HIS OPINION GAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIZ" is not a defense. Opinions require justification. If the justification is poor or unreasonable, than the opinion loses any credibility.

Look at his Syro review. Absolutely fucking terrible justifications. He effectively says he lacks the effort required to follow the developments required in these tracks, CLAIMING that they aren't worth looking into when, IN FACT, these developments are massive from phrase to phrase, involving COMPLETE shifts in melody.

In this latest review, he COMPLETELY missed the consistent change of style between songs, which OBVIOUSLY indicates to the listener that the wandering nature of the record is INTENTIONAL. They are a series of reflections on his past styles, as he sits solitary in the sauna.

ANYBODY with a degree of credibility in music could have caught this.

>>53220317
I'll just copy/paste my previous post about his Syro review

Listening to the review again.
>tracks need grander changes in progressions
Melodies completely shift in quality over the course of 4 phrases. Usually, by the time a minute has passed, only a fragment of the previous melody has been maintained.
Compare this to the looped melodies of RDJ Album.
>exercise in futuristic elevator music
What the fuck does this even mean?
>doesn't even explain why 4bit is bad.
>180db obnoxiously repetitive
It's a purposeful change in pace. Like the aggressive opening to "Omgyya Switch" or the aggression in "Green Calx."
>doesn't live up to previous mastery; like listening to Drum 'n Bass without excitement
PAPAT4 is probably the most dramatic track Aphex has ever created when you consider the incredible melody which shifts and distorts from an anthemic cry into fragments.
And Earth Portal Mix is a beautiful dissolution of melody: a companion piece to Aisatsana. In it we find chaos; in Aisat we find peace.
>the finish of the record is anticlimactic
He said earlier in the review that Drukqs is his favorite album by Aphex but that record ALSO ends in piano (Nanou 2).

>>53220317
Are you high? "Its his opinion" is 100% a defense against reviews. Such a large proportion of consuming media is subjective and the critic merge their subjective taste with a (relative) depth of knowledge. An album that it technically perfect can be 2/10 just like the flaming shit show of the century could be strong 9.

You're arguments seem to boil down to "he thought things we unimportant and I thought they were v important". Don't be a dingus.

>>53216830
realist shit i ever read
fucking idiots still think his views are worth a damn

stop watching this part time pizza man and form yr own ideas for once

>>53220444
>You're arguments seem to boil down to "he thought things we unimportant and I thought they were v important". Don't be a dingus.
He COMPLETELY MISSED things that were important and OBVIOUS thematic cues.

>avant folk
>ever good
kek

>>53220464
>not listening to the record
>not posting an actual opinion of the music instead of shitposting
Literally kill yourself.

>muh fvrit albumz got slightly panned by a redditor
>i'm so mad
i wish this place wasn't so crowded with teenagers

>>53216922
You see no problem with it. But it's an incredibly critically acclaimed album so even if you hate it you can hopefully see why him giving it a 6 would be so controversial.

phil has released some of my favorite albums of all time (mainly because of emotional reasons and them being important to me in middle/ high school) but this record is not very good. if made by anyone else i think no one would care about it. its 6/10. really nothing particularly interesting

>>53220547
6 really isnt a bad score for an average album.

>>53220571
>6/10

>>53220603
6/10 is a very high score for pop music actually. its probably more like a 5

>>53220597
You're missing the point. It's totally irrelevant what you think of the album. When it came out, everyone was fucking jizzing over it. You can think it's average, but very very few people (especially professional critics) thought it was average at the time, so for Fandango to come out and give it a 6 was a really controversial and risky move.

>>53220644
>pop music
but it isn't pop music

>>53220546
Worse, he's a /mu/tant.
It's like getting mad at me about not liking an album.

>>53220690
its popular music. i'm talking about comparing it to art music. on a 0/10 scale it would be silly to consider this even close to the greatest art music pieces created which i would give 9s to. it would seems silly to even consider this near that level. even the best rock groups like can, cukor bila smert', or faust are only deserving of maybe an 8.

I wonder if it's possible to review a Mount Eerie album without mentioning the Glow pt. 2.

>>53220487
My opinion is that avant folk is never good.
God, didn't you even read what I wrote?

>>53220464
>avant folk
>this album
what

>>53220798
kill yourself you faggot piece of shit. phil is god.

>>53220546
and I bet you're a 30 year old man with a mortgage too

Thread proves that music fans are worse fanboys that videogamers and that's something you never want to be worse than.

>>53220916
lel whatever
>2015
>caring about genres

>>53220977
Enjoy the landmine discussion you're about to have

I miss the chill Mount Eerie threads already.

>>53220444
When you review music you should be able to analyze music decently. You can't just say "I like this" if you are going to be discussing your opinions with any sort of weight.

You wouldn't go to a music enthusiast site/board and argue that an album is shit simply because you don't like it, would you anon?

>>53216310

When's Fat Tony gonna man up and review this masterpiece?

>doesn't get that the main section of Books is Phil dreaming and the last part is him waking up with an open book still in his lap, which lyrically leads into This
c'mon Fantano this isn't rocket science

I like the part where nobody could refute my posts
>>53220317
>>53220400

The blind Fantano droning is hilarious

>>53216352
Haha are you kidding? Just because you dickride anything AC puts out solo or not doesn't make that album any less repetitive and garbage

>>53221323
That doesn't make it a 9/10, nor odes the part about the airplane hangar near his house. For fuck's sake people do you call every rapper GOAT for putting gunshots in their music? I mean that's reminiscent of their childhood as much as Elverum's motifs on this project are.

>>53216391
nigga gave MBDTF a light 6. This was a few days after people had started declaring in the album of the decade.

>>53216515
It was a better record than Sauna, cry harder fggt

>>53221546
>That doesn't make it a 9/10
When did I say it did?

>>53221546
It is an obvious element to the album though that a "critic" was ignorant to and then rated quite harshly. Still a stupid thread though, Fantano isn't really trained to be a critic or anything so he isn't really suited to review things better than most /mu/tants.

>>53221610
>Fantano isn't really trained to be a critic or anything so he isn't really suited to review things better than most /mu/tants.
Which is why his channel should be viewed as just another blog, not another media publication.

Has Fantano never heard Steve Reich? Or a marimba?

>>53216809
B4da$$ wasn't Taken 2, it was more akin to something like Ron Howards Rush or Nighcrawler or something.

Sauna to Tree of Life is an apt comparison, neither of those works stand by themselves, you have to receive a lecture from a fanboy before experiencing them to appreciate them.

This album is really a grower and most non-Mount Eerie fans will feel alienated while listening to it so it's not really a surprise most reactions are polarizing.

>>53221691
>a grower
when you know an album is really shit.

>>53216391
he gave MB "album of the decade" DTF a 6, he can do anything

>>53216666
quads don't lie

>>53221652
True. People shouldn't be butthurt about his scores nor should people defend his lack of understanding because of subjectivity. This thread is shit.

>>53221665
Yeah that little part about (something) was pretty embarrassing.

>>53217373

Watch them Gambino the album, /mu/ will quickly abandon all support.

fantano isn't the best but at least he isn't pitchfork
they let new girl writers they brought on as diversity hires give bland fempop albums way higher scores than they should get, yet they won't let ian give an emo album BNM.

>>53221604
I mean I was using what I thought was an obvious hyperbole... But other than that do you see my point that incorporating parts of his life, while interesting, shouldn't be an argument for why Fantano's score is wrong? And yea I mean he didn't mention it but is it terribly relevant to someone who listens to , edits and reviews multiple records a day? He can't cover everything
>>53221610
That doesn't say much though, from what I gather a lot of /mu/tants here are extremely well versed in music. Also you can't deny that the dude listens to a shitload of music, he knows a lot of artists. And just because he reviews things aesthetically doesn't mean he has no knowledge of music theory, it means he panders to a broad audience. He'll mention time signatures here and there
>>53221736
I agree, but I do think it's in line to clear up why Fantano does his reviews why he does them, because I think too many people here are spoiled by written reviews and don't realize that as far as video reviews, it's only downhill from him.

>>53221720
Are you being ironic, post-ironic, meta-ironic, or just new sincerity?

>tfw when you legitimately just like the "roaring" in dragon, no concept required
i think it's soothing

actually i think its weird that a lot of artists get praised for doing experimental things like that but phil just gets shit for it

>getting upset over an opinion
This board couldn't be more underage.

>>53221884
>This board couldn't be more underage.
well, you just posted

>>53216444
>>53221554
>>53221726
all me btw

>>53221884
music is objective. there is good tastes and bad tastes. fantano did wrong and should redo his review after studying the record a little bit more carefully.

>>53217833
they have to average, voting would be so weird
as far as i know there's nothing to stop the writers from giving albums they like 10s or albums they don't 0s to raise/lower their averge score

link to album pls

>>53221782
Do you not know how P4K scoring works? The score is already assigned by the editors before they pick the reviewer. And Ian Cohen is literally the worst.

>>53221579
>having this shit of taste
>>53221784
>from what I gather a lot of /mu/tants here are extremely well versed in music.
LMAO good fucking joke
>>53221884
see >>53220317

>>53221782
Back to /pol/!

>>53220317
WHY the FUCK are YOU typing LIKE this YOU flaming FAGGOT

>>53221784
If he is the pinnacle of video reviews then people probably should stick to written for well formed ideas. Most /mu/tants are not well versed in music either, listening to a lot of music or any media doesn't make you good at reviewing it. It is an important element though.

Time signatures are barely enough to merit knowledge of music theory either. Being a good reviewer takes a good way with words and a deep understanding of music. A vast majority of audiophiles and music listeners are not good critics, including me and almost all people on /mu/. Fantano is an entertainer, not a musicologist or any shit.

>>53221876
The part when the singing raises above the roaring of the plane made me tear up actually. Not even because of the concept, it was just how the sound completely permeated my body.

>>53221782
one thing that bothers me is the massive amount of attention they gave to panda bear, as if his actual shit is golden. pretty much every week since december had a news update or interview with that fag. why not spread it out to more deserving bands? but i digress

>>53222053
suck my dick

>>53222010
see >>53221933
ian a shit but he isn't jason, lindsay (rip), or radical larry.
this is the year they're going he's going to get to do a BNM emo review, i feel it in my ass

>>53221906
Hehe...

I don't understand these threads. They seem to e coming from somewhere really childish. Like did you only ever subscribe to him to hear someone echo your opinions?

>>53222282
Welcome to /mu/.

>>53222180
Getting laid for the first time would be a better idea than having your dick sucked on by a guy like me. Either that or redpilling yourself to death

>I don't like this

>YOU JUST DON'T GET IT

Never heard that one before.

hey, i cant blame the guy for doing his job, even if i slightly disagree on some of the points made. also, at the 7:34 mark, he says "this shrekord"

>>53222282
>>53222331
There's a big difference between disliking an album for valid, coherent reasons; and disliking it because you missed the point.

>>53222327
yes goy, swallow that blue pill, just like that.

but 6/10 is a good rating.

When did people start taking ratings as meaning anything below 8 or 9 is shit?

>>53218720
>People act like your initial opinion and gut response are all that should matter.

This so fucking much. It's so weird to me to hear people only listen to an album just once or even twice. I have to get everything I can out of an album before I move on to another one. I would hate to be a music reviewer for a living because you don't have that luxury.

>>53222450
It's the same score he gave to Syro and it's just as stupid here as it was then.

>>53222348
1 Fantano didn't dislike Sauna. A 6 is basically "good but flawed" in his book.
2 Not one person in this thread has explained what the "point" of the album is


>>53222465
If you like the album, you can give it subsequent listens later. You'll notice his year-end lists feature a lot of stuff that wasn't on his "loved list". MBDTF was on his top 50 in 2010, for example. He's even explained that he'd rather his reviews be based on his initial thoughts on an album than what he thinks is the "correct score".

Just came in here to make it clear that I find it stupid to base your own opinions on that of another, and that Sauna is a pretty good album that I don't want tarnished with some youtuber's opinion.

>>53222548
>Not one person in this thread has explained what the "point" of the album is
https://rateyourmusic.com/collection/boldfaure/rating66480997

This whole thread is awfully pathetic

>>53222548
>If you like the album, you can give it subsequent listens later. You'll notice his year-end lists feature a lot of stuff that wasn't on his "loved list". MBDTF was on his top 50 in 2010, for example. He's even explained that he'd rather his reviews be based on his initial thoughts on an album than what he thinks is the "correct score".

Oh yeah I mean I'm not dinging him. I enjoy listening to him because of how concise and fast he is; he doesn't fuck around with too many "uhhs" and pauses.

>>53216310
Not sure if I unsubscribed, but I did stop watching Fantano after I ended up leaning more towards his taste and general music views the more of his stuff I watched. I would already have my mind made up on albums I'd never heard, basically.

>>53216444
>>53221554
>>53221726
that album is a light 4. album of the decade lmao more like accessible and bland trend of 2012

>>53222580
I actually think this review makes as many incorrect assumptions as Fantano's, but instead of missing the point he's over-thinking everything.

>>53222638
Wouldn't you agree that Saunas are a meditative place?
Everything in the album is a meditation on past and present ideals.

>>53222631
>reading comprehension
Also,
>accessible and bland trend of 2012
What?

Would Fantano be as famous without this board?

>>53222700
absolutely not

>>53222700
I'd imagine, +/- a few hundred subs and views. His channel took off because YT featured his Helplessness Blues review as part of some sort of promotion back then.

>>53222686
*2010
what about reading comprehension
I'm saying he shouldn't get shit for panning that album because it sucks

>>53222750
yeah, but that was a result of the VOTES that people gave him during that competition

>>53222700
Maybe not. He'd be a different Fantano. Perhaps even very different.

>>53216624
definitely with Planets. It just makes sense. the little interlude at the end of Boat feels like going through a small hole and ending up in outer space. Boat feels like an affirmation for phil - a microcosm of thought. Same with Planets.

I noticed the abruptness between songs seem like quick flashes of thought. one after the other, they enter and hastily exit to make room for more razor-sharp thoughts. Does this make sense?

>>53222580
That's one interpretation. Not everyone is going to view the art the same way, and not everyone has to.

>>53222599
That's partly editing, but I get what you're saying.

>>53222700
He wouldn't exist.

>>53216666
this guy knows whats up
>check em

>>53222766
>*2010
Oh, ok

And the points those three guys were making is that Fantano was ballsy for doing it, not necessarily saying they liked it.

>>53222781
Oh, shit. Nvm. Didn't know about that.

>>53222886
Planets is pretty clearly about perception, Phil would never write a song that's literally about planets. Plus there's zero mention of outer space in the song besides the title, sung once, obviously a metaphor.

>>53222930
>That's one interpretation. Not everyone is going to view the art the same way, and not everyone has to.
The problem is that I feel my interpretation is fairly clear to most people. The juxtaposition of styles is literally impossible to miss, and to just throw it off as sloppiness or slashdashery or whatever is lazy. Like Fantano is.
As I said earlier, this isn't the first time he was lazy. With his Syro review, he deliberately, lazily decided NOT to look into the tracks.

>>53220547
>But it's an incredibly critically acclaimed album so even if you hate it you can hopefully see why him giving it a 6 would be so controversial.

An album being critically-acclaimed doesn't necessarily mean it's a good album.

Why are you so insecure that you need your opinions on albums validated by other people through the use of a numerical score?

>>53217056
can anyone explain this shit to me?

>>53223121
The Quetzal, snake.

>>53217655
Ocean Roar was actually bad though so that was okay.

>>53220116
THIS! Its in the description to all of his videos. and still people freak out

>>53223322
see >>53220317

>>53223042
I guess, but with him I see it as he's listening for stuff he likes and stuff he doesn't like in the first few tracks. Then, depending on what he finds more of, he tends to look for more of that in the rest of the album. His critique is very linear, you might say. He even mentions that Phil's songwriting and track orders aren't typical. And he never says the "filler" moments aren't worth listening to, he says they don't grip him in the way some other moments do.

Again, he said he liked it. And that comes through with his review.

>>53217571
your 5/10

>>53221720
yeah, because the sign of a great album is how closely it resembles bubblegum

>>53219009
ughhh he did not say that

>>53216351
>guy has opinions
>you'll just get yours confirmed by p4k anyway

y u so mad

>>53223098
that isn't what he's saying, learn how to read pls.

wow i cannot believe anthony fandong-o gave my favorite band a 6/10 im so pissed off man, he didnt even understand the album probably because he didnt listen to it in an actual sauna!!

>>53224069
(mount eerie isn't a band)

Why is everyone on /mu/ such a touchy fucking tool? This guy is a pretty funny, likable dude who enjoys talking about music. I like to hear what he says. I often disagree with him. That's half the fucking point of music: it's subjective and everyone likes it differently. Unsubscribing because you don't agree? God damn that's childish.

>>53216352
nah he was basically right. i wouldn't give it a 4 but his criticisms were valid.

>>53224069
could you ride his dick any harder?

>>53216384
Honestly I agree with him about Dragon. The sounds are not used well and are very distracting. I'm sure it could have been pulled off better

Why are you all so mad at one guy's opinions? Don't agree with him, that's fine. I really liked this album, but I'm not going to crucify the guy for not.

>>53224141
>>53224249
christ almight see the post I have had to quote like 50 fucking times >>53220317

>>53224273
Why should we care about your opinion?

>>53224317
THE INTERNET
>Why should we care about your opinion?

worst fanbase in music

>>53224345
Phil or Anthony? I'd agree with the latter, just because his fans are so clueless.

>>53224345
Anton's or Phil's?

Phil is a good artist regardless

>>53224317
Why should we care about your opinion?

tfw totally predicted what he would give it

>>53224345
really? mount eerie fans getting pissed at one reviewer beats the people who cut themselves over justin bieber?

>>53216352
huge ac fan but he was right. production was super muddy, really a shame because it sounded great live.

>>53224370
>>53224378
phil. people who care about anthony either love or hate are retards too.

>>53224273
You're calling his justification shit, why should I take you seriously? I usually agree with him but he's got a decidedly alt-hip-hop, punk and metal tilt which I'm not a huge fan of but I respect his opinions more than just some random you.

I once bothered phil once in a gracery store and got his autograph

im not a big fan tho

>>53224418
>You're calling his justification shit, why should I take you seriously?
Because his justification involves ignorance.

>>53224439
lucky

>>53224480
i was drunk walking through some hipster food co-op and noticed him from moo pictures so i figured i might as well
i dont think he was into it tho

>>53224443
You're quoting two reviews. He's done multiple a week for years. Also, the points you made are debatable anyway, not even sure if I agree with them.

>>53224524
did he try and walk away without paying for his milky ways after insisting the cashier scan them individually?

>>53216872
No one is seriously talking about this

>>53224547
no he told me he was looking at weird wines and was pretty meek and seemed like he was kind of awkward when i shook his hand so i had him sign a dollar bill and he told me it was a neet souvenir and then i left

>>53224605
(it's a copypasta) but that's actually really cool

Fantano gave Clear Moon and Ocean Roar 5s and 6s (close enough), not really sure why people are pissed about this review. It's not like if you're a fan, you're gonna not be excited about the album still. This is almost as bad as that P4K where everyone was getting mad LP1 got a higher score than Vulnicura.

Y'all know this is just my opinion, right?

>>53224637
>(it's a copypasta)

i know but i like telling the story of randomly meeting a mucore musician in the store

>>53224645
if a review is just an opinion its a really shitty review. it should examine objective factors like complexity, originality, and technical skill. not just be "oh i liked how it sounds XD. its got real twitter high hats ;^)"

>>53224708
Watching the review right now
>dat Pre-Human Ideas floating across the screen
I chuckled.

>>53224567
thats sorta stupid, Count Eerie is obviously superior as a moniker

why does he bother reviewing if he just gives everything a score from 4 to 7?

>>53225865
Because he doesn't inflate his scores like everyone else on /mu/ does