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who's the second best guitarist of all time (after jimi hendrix)

>> No.53180674

>>53180501
spencer seim

>> No.53180710

Jimi Hendrix is pretty overrated

Scale junkie, Most of the cool shit he did was stolen, To much empty notation

He's alright though

>> No.53180722

john frusciante is my favorite

>> No.53180736

>>53180710
*tips fedora*

>> No.53180740

Fred Frith

Or Gary Lucas

>> No.53180747

>>53180501
IDK about second, but Django Reinhardt is definitely top 5 IMO.

>> No.53180750

>>53180722
number 1 circlejerk answer

>> No.53180754

>>53180736
ummmm

>> No.53180764

>>53180501
>(after jimi hendrix)

of course, of course

personal top 5:
Robert Fripp
Fred Frith
James Blood Ulmer
Marc Ribot
Sonny Sharrock

>> No.53180768

adrian belew

>> No.53180771

>>53180750
i don't know what that means
i'm a little drunk qnd hardly go on /mu/

>> No.53180781

I'd say Django Reinhardt

>> No.53180789

>>53180771
oh sorry

>> No.53180803

>>53180771
It doesn't mean anything
>>53180768
Love me some adrian

>> No.53180843

Robbie Basho
Sandy Bull
John Fahey
Doug Martsch
Tom Verlaine
J Mascis
Keiji Hano
Robert Fripp
Jimi Hendrix
Dave Pajo


>>53180710
>Most of the cool shit he did was stolen
From who? Please elaborate on everything you said. I mean, scale junkie is a stupid thing to say, you could say that about fucking Charlie Parker, so I think you should clarify

>> No.53180845
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53180845

>Jimi Hendrix
:^)

personal favourites are
>Lee Ranaldo
>Robert Fripp
>Adrian Belew
>Jonny Greenwood
I like Annie Clark too but she's just on the upper end of great in terms of technique

>> No.53180863

>>53180771
A circlejerk is where a bunch of guys sit in a circle and jerk each other off. People on 4chan use it to describe cliques or in this case a post that was made deliberately to make people complement you on your great taste and how you're all above everyone else on 4chan
I don't think that applies to your post myself but w/e

>> No.53180867

>>53180845
Please be bait

>Johnny Greenwood and Annie Clark
>Jimi Hendrix gets the old ":^)"
>Anime picture to top it off

Please, I'm begging you to be bait. I don't ask for much, just this one thing

>> No.53180895

>>53180867
jimi can't hook his computer up to his guitar and make cool sounds come out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs1d0EgN0jQ
>inb4 that's because he's dead
not my problem

>> No.53180920

>>53180895
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdNrqydbNIs&spfreload=10

>tfw you will never give this a fair shake because you are a basic /mu/ bitch

>> No.53180924

>>53180895
Actually it is your problem

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>>53180920
>posting dadrock
not going to listen

>> No.53180950

>>53180920
>>53180867
>>53180845
>comparing two completely different guitarists
Jonny is more talented anyway. He is a shittier guitarist, but he makes up with his composition skills.

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>>53180920
call me when Jimi writes something as good as this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqeFn0kOuXM

>> No.53180993

>>53180963
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMGYAkUtKQw

jimi hendrix was atleast one gazillion times more original than jonny greenwood. he influenced everyone at the time too.

>> No.53181011

>>53180789
>>53180803
>>53180863
i'm just having a lot of rum snd listening to blood sugar sex madic guitsar tracks
also i'm a massive rhcp fanboy

>> No.53181016

>>53180993
but that's boring and derivative

>> No.53181020

>>53181016
epic buzzwords meme friend

>> No.53181025

Hendrix is overrated for - guitar technique

Hendrix is underrated for - songwriting

>> No.53181031

>>53180963
We're comparing guitar virtuosity, not songwriting or compositional skills so I don't know what you're talking about but here you go anyway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbdwgFBW4mE&spfreload=10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF65L0gRGfY&spfreload=10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8t1RWKCvqQ&spfreload=10

>>53181016
Derivative of what, specifically? Answer quick, or else everyone will think you're baiting!

>> No.53181036

>>53181025
true. people only think about him as a guitarist when he was also an incredible songwriter.

>> No.53181037 [DELETED] 

>>53181020
if only your music taste was as good as your wcomebacksit :^)

>> No.53181041

angus young
eddie van halen
dave mustaine

the list goes on

>> No.53181060

>>53181037
if only your memes were dank as mine :^) jimi hendrix are such retarded tryhards. basically all critics, all musicians, all music fans agree that he's the best but you gotta go against them because you're so special and know music better than them right? fuck off tryhard.

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>>53181060
ur dumb

>> No.53181071 [DELETED] 

>>53181060
meant to >>53181036

>> No.53181073

>>53180932
It's not 2012 anymore, friend

You need to update the bait

>>53181036
I honestly don't agree

There's a few moments of brilliant songwriting on Ladyland and Axis, but his instrumental acrobatics is so much more interesting than anything he actually wrote overall. If you want to talk underrated in terms of Hendrix, Noel Redding and Mitch Mitchell are underrated as shit

>> No.53181075

>>53180950

best b8 of the year, i want to believe

>> No.53181079

in terms of sound and tone, kevin shields. There's nothing else that sounds like to here knows when

>> No.53181092

>>53181060
I've been supporting Jimi ITT, but you suck

Acclaim and popularity doesn't automatically make an artist objectively GOAT

>> No.53181096

>>53181079
>bubblegum pop with fuzz
>good guitar playing

>> No.53181100

>>53181036
Another overlooked element is his unfinshed work. Besides writing in some funk-era works, First Rays and especially Black Gold were moving into a prog direction. Hendrix was even in talks to join up with the eventually-formed Emerson Lake & Palmer, but of course the early death scrapped that plan.

>> No.53181102

>>53181075
Greenwood is more versatile with composing. You have to be stupid if you believe Hendrix would compose something like 48 Responses to Polymorphia or Doghouse. However, he's probably better at playing viola than he is at playing guitar.

Hendrix is a GOAT guitarist but that doesn't make him a GOAT composer

>> No.53181105

>>53181096
are you retarded or just dyslectic?

>> No.53181109

>>53181096
can you go recreate it please? Return when you bankrupt a record label.

>> No.53181119

>>53181100
where did you lift this post from, the Ultimate Guitar forums?

>> No.53181121

>>53181079
To be fair that's partly down to Alan Moulder

Maybe even mostly, depending on who's telling the story

>> No.53181128

>>53181102
Of course Greenwood is a better composer, but what the hell does that have to do with anything? This thread is about the best guitarists

>> No.53181140

>>53181128
>jimi hendrix was atleast one gazillion times more original than jonny greenwood
This is what I was replying to.

>> No.53181144

>>53181109
>you can't criticise food unless you're a three hat chef!
regardless there's a billion bands that have made a career out of stealing MBV's sound, it's hardly difficult to emulate these days. They're a great band but Kevin's not really that impressive

>> No.53181150

>>53181109
>>53181105
typical mbv fans. can never give any explanations to their dumb claims and will just go to ad hominem because they're brainless.

>> No.53181153

>>53181102

nah, youre not even saying anything, just claims. Go ahead and explain your claims, lol. 0/10 man

>> No.53181155
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53181155

John is love.

>> No.53181164

>>53181073
Mitch Mitchell gets a lot of praise and Noel Redding is just not that good. Hendrix wrote some amazing song as well as some of the best guitar lines.

>> No.53181168

>>53181144
That analogy would only work if you weren't necessarily criticizing the food, but claiming it was incredibly simple to make

>> No.53181174

>>53181153
I don't have time to entertain you, sorry. You already made your mind up.

>>53181144
that's possible. Technology is there.

>>53181150
>implications

>> No.53181177

>>53181150

>im not hitting you, im not hitting you
fuzz man? you do realize there is a lot more going on than fuzz an pop songs right? much more studio magic than that, the songwriting was personal, and the song structures were really amorphous and interesting. obviously, all mbv fans are on the same page, so i suspect it is your faggot autistic brain that is causing problems here

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53181179

>>53181155
John is life.

>> No.53181180

>>53180501

this could have just been a thread about great guitarists but you had to make it into some bullshit bait thread.

fuck you and fuck people like you who contribute negatively to this already dogshit board,


LE EPIC BAIT WILL GET ME MORE REPLIES THAN A WELL THOUGHT OUT THREAD THAT WILL GENERATE MEANINGFUL REPLIES

>> No.53181181

>>53181164
Did you have a stroke or something

>> No.53181188

>>53181153
>>53181174


nah, youre entertaining me alright lmao

>> No.53181194

>>53181177
I fucking hate this board sometimes. No one can EVER explain himself it's impossible to argue with you idiots.
> much more studio magic than that, the songwriting was personal, and the song structures were really amorphous and interesting
you can say this line about literally EVERY album it's completely meaningless.

>> No.53181195

>>53181121
from what i've understood shields did basicially everything and Moulder was just the only engineer who understood what shields was trying to do

>> No.53181197

>>53180920

Jonny's a lot more inventive about the way he uses the guitar and isn't held down by standard song structure like Jimi was even though he's a far more technical guitarist

>> No.53181201

>>53181181
nah

>> No.53181203

keiji haino
then steve vai

>> No.53181208

>>53181194

Not really when there is an entire wikipedia page explaining why loveless for example was such a big deal sonically, but youre too lazy an gay to look it up and read it..this is why i hate this board sometimes, little salty bitches like you

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>>53181177
>muh production
we're talking about raw guitar skill. not who has the best ideas about what buttons to push

>> No.53181213

like guitar takes any real skill lol

>> No.53181215

>>53181144
it obviously is difficult because there's still nothing, 25 years later, that sounds like anything other than a cheap copy of it. Show me something like thkw. Also he came up with his own unique sound which is something few guitarists really ever succeed in doing.

>> No.53181216

>>53181211
Is that not considered skill

>> No.53181218

>>53181208
>hey bud you want to explain yourself?
>READ WIKIPEDIA THE FREE ENCYCLOPEDIA THAT ANYONE CAN EDIT

You're just as bad as the people who resort to "READ 1984" in any political debate

>> No.53181224

>>53181208
this album is so incredible.. So much studio magic, amazing personal songwriting, the song structures are also really amorphous and interesting. Alien Rap is just one of the best albums of this century.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv9G3I1FkuI

>> No.53181226

>>53181211

you do realize all the sounds on that alum were made with guitar(and a few vocal samples) right? If tom morello and other folks get praise for their use of pedals, how is the studio not another tool for guitarists to use? Before kevin there were no guys doing what he did with his guitar man. and it sounds good over 25 years later, and tons of people in a bunch of genres are influenced by it. face it man, youre wrong

>> No.53181228

>>53181216
not guitar skill you fucking nerd
>>53181215
have you even listened to any nu-gaze? 95% of it sounds just like My Bloody Valentine and about half of them managed to write better albums than that shitfest that was mbv

>> No.53181229

>>53181197
>standard song structure
These are your preconceived notions about Jimi talking. I feel like you're just baiting me at this point. For example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbdwgFBW4mE&spfreload=10

Jimi was actually very unconventional. I mean, did you not even listen past 8 minutes on Machine Gun?

I'm not shittalking Greenwood because I do respect him a lot, but it's obvious that you're kind of clueless about this :/

>> No.53181235

>>53181211
no it's you who's only talking about raw guitar skill here, whatever that means. Go listen to yngwie malmsteen

>> No.53181236
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53181236

I think philip sayce is one of my favorite guitarists.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khkghSLo750

>> No.53181237

>>53181224
>personal
No
>amorphous
No

>> No.53181238

>>53181226
>and it sounds good
it really doesn't

>> No.53181241

>>53181238
>>>/opinions/

>> No.53181247

>>53181228
You're an idiot. Lol

>> No.53181251

>>53181237
Same thing about loveless.

>> No.53181254

>>53181218

nice strawman faggot

If you are going to hate on something, at least try to understand it first? if you havent read the fucking wikipedia explaining why kevins guitar style is so groundbreaking, then you most likely have put zero thought into it

>> No.53181260

>>53181228
haha yea i have, send me some links instead of bullshitting. Have you listened to thkw on the other hand through good speakers loudly? If you haven't then you have no clue what your talking about

>> No.53181261

>>53181235
>who's the second best guitarist of all time
does not mean
>who's the second best musician who also plays guitar in a band of all time

Kevin's an impressive musician but outside of some slight guitar modifications his guitar riffs aren't that impressive.

>> No.53181264

>>53181195
Moulder already sounded a lot like that tho
Listen to his pre-mbv work for the Mary chain

>> No.53181267

>>53181224

oh and look, it didnt hold up, who woulda thunk it

>> No.53181268

>>53181254
>i go to wikipedia to get my opinions
literally k i l l y o u r s e l f.

>> No.53181274

>>53181264
and The Jesus and Mary Chain's best work isn't as good as Isn't Anything.
Moulder helped make Loveless so great, sure, but most of the credit should go to Kevin

>> No.53181280

>>53181268


>projecting this hard

yes man, because that is exactly what i said lol

obviously i made a little bitch mad.

>> No.53181281

>>53181267
yes it is. people are stlil talking about it and it still sounds amazing and groundbreaking as when it was released. no one was able to create an album quite like Alien Rap yet.

>> No.53181282

i can't believe no one said buckethead yet

>> No.53181287

>>53181280
>not knowing what projecting means
>assumes everyones are mad
>doesn't realise what a mindless drone he is
my man, kill urself.

>> No.53181293

>>53181264
loveless is nowhere as reverby as mary chain. Loveless sounds completely different from them, obviously. Not saying that moulder shouldn't get any credit though, he's obviously talented too. But kevin came up with the tremelo bar sound and his use of reverse reverb and stuff like that is what makes his sound unique.

>> No.53181297

>>53181254
>unless you regurgitate a shitty article's points you're wrong
I read that page and thought Kevin was a god when I first came here too, friend. Maybe you should listen to more music and form your own opinion :^)
>>53181282
we're too busy arguing about hacks, go make a new thread if you want to post on topic, bud

>> No.53181299

>>53181274
Having heard a lot of moulders work and shields's pre-Moulder work I disagree
>>53181293
Not the first album, the 89 one

>> No.53181302

>>53181293
>Kevin came up with the tremelo bar sound
Sonic Youth had been doing that shit for years

>> No.53181304

>>53181261
we're not really discussing guitar riffs here, most of us anyhow.

>> No.53181305

>>53181281

>>53181224


where are the "amorphous, interesting" song structures like you said? ? how is alien rap personal songwriting? loveless was literally made in an intimate way

>> No.53181307
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53181307

>mfw niggas say Jimi is oberraded

>> No.53181310

>>53180501
in terms of skill:

classical guitar >>>>> electric guitar

therefore all of you are dead wrong

>> No.53181311
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>>53181304
we were until some nerd started talking about Kevin Shields

>> No.53181315

>>53181287

youre still doing it lol

>> No.53181316

>>53181302
in what songs?

>> No.53181326

>>53181316
a whole bunch of them man, I don't fucking know but if you look at their some of their guitars from the 80s they had the same tremolo modification Kevin used

>> No.53181329

>>53181297

nowhere did i say kevin is a god you retard.

>> No.53181336

>>53181305
Alien Rap is filled with genius metaphors that makes the lyrics that might seem bad to the uneducated and make them a beautiful portray of the mans life. Just listen to it when you're high, and if that won't work just listen louder. It sounds incredible when it "clicks"

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53181342

>>53181329
>not believing in god

>> No.53181343

>>53181326

man i like to hear some of that too bad their discography is retardedly long compared to how many good tracks they have, imo. id liek to hear some of those kevin-esque tremolo songs, if you have any ideas for albums to check out

>> No.53181344

>>53180963
>muh ethnic vibes over nasty drum patterns

Do any of you faggots even Ry Cooder?

>> No.53181347

>>53181326
i don't know if where talking about the same sound. Kevins using the bar constatly while playing chords with up and down strokes, which produces a completely different sound from any sonic youth i've heard at least. Like in i only said or loomer

>> No.53181355

>>53181343
>>53181347
Yeah I'm talking about the tremolo modification itself and strumming with it rather than "songs that sound like MBV"

>> No.53181357

>>53181299
the drums yea but not the guitars whatsoever

>> No.53181370

>>53181355
like in loomer? seriously, if so tell me what album i should listen to. It's not in daydream nation at least, that's the only one ive really listened to.

>> No.53181374

>In terms of tone, riff writing, and unique style
Geordie Walker. Jimmy Page agrees with me.
>In terms of technicality
Who the actual fuck, besides 14 year olds who listen to Buckethead guitar wank to feel superior to their top 40 listener friends, gives a damn about it.

>> No.53181378

>>53181357
>The Mary Chain invited Moulder to engineer their live sounds and, eventually, to engineer their 1989 album Automatic. The album's production was praised for its combination of thick, noisy guitar with a polished, listener-friendly tone, and the Mary Chain's former label, Creation Records, soon had Moulder producing records for Ride, My Bloody Valentine, and Swervedriver.

>> No.53181382

>>53181342
I believe it's possible there could be a god or some sort of creator, but if there is I'm sure it's beyond our comprehension. I think it's just as likely there's nothing, but it's useless to think about because we can't know at this point in time, possibly never

What I do find unlikely, however, is that it would happen to be the creator in any religion that humans worship, or that it would be some benevolent reflecting our own image. How arrogant!

I think it's best to just keep on living like there is no god, letting our basic senses of human empathy and happiness guide us

>> No.53181383

>>53181336

I mean, dude, ive listened to alien rap while high many times, and its good. very interesting lyrics, but i felt like it was a little preachy. i mean the message was good, and it was meant for kids, but its really still kind of a superficial album. unfortunately, there is a lot more to life than the stuff they talk about in alien rap, which is very new age-esque in its themes. im not saying it is inherently worse than other albums but i wouldnt say it really fits those words that it was being described as earlier. It is a strangely inspiring album though, despite it being very idyllic

>> No.53181388

Literally any math rock guitarist is better than Hendrix

>> No.53181399

>>53181388
But even Dave Pajo isn't as good

>> No.53181401

>>53181355

oh yeah, i think i know what you man in some of their earlier songs. they used it in a very thrashy metallic way, if i remember correctly, but , kevins use of tremolo, pedals, and studio wizardry was what made it him unique, as opposed to thurstons prepared guitar style

>> No.53181405

>>53181378
i know it's moulder, i'm saying that the guitars on loveless are kevins creation

>> No.53181406

Wait are people having a serious discussion about Alien Rap?

In a thread about the worlds best guitarists?

I'm not even sure what's real any more

>> No.53181412

Fripp, imo, is pretty underrated in terms of technical prowess, with a good bit of creativity

>> No.53181414

>>53181406
Me neither but I'm sure it ain't mirrors.

>> No.53181417

>>53181401
remember in which songs? i don't wanna listen through their entire discography now

>> No.53181418

>>53181405
He builds his own guitars? Awesome

>> No.53181429

>>53181417


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8LYpyXerDg

>> No.53181473

>>53181429
thanks, not really the same thing at all though. They're not doing it while strumming like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhGTsCMsXH4

>> No.53181516

>>53181473

yeah, due, nobody here is sayign they do they same rhythm and use the same guitar effects and stuff, just that tremolo'ing your chords to get weird sounds out of them is a pretty common technique. kevin just sync'd his tremolo rhythm with his delay and threw on some reverse reverb and shit and to get that sound. i used to do the same tremolo type guitar chords when i was a teenager playing guitar, before knowing mbv. it really is the use of effects that gives kevin his distinct sound, and he mostly uses his tremolo as a wow and flutter type effect, sort of like electronic artists who play with the pitch wheel on a keyboard to get that boards of canada type wobble

thurston was doing a pretty similar thing, if you check out the album that the song i linked was from. but they were different types of music, and they used the same tremolo warped thing all over their songs. not many other artists aside from these types of bands use their wammy bar like that so consistently through an entire song, so i feel like it i a air comparison. not to mention kevin was extremely influenced by sonic youth during the you made me realise days, which are what spawned loveless.

>> No.53181525

>>53181516


sorry for the typos man, im way high and type sloppy anyway

>> No.53181536

>>53180710
Hendrix was largely the opposite of a "scale junkie". He had very little to no formal training and relied somewhat heavily on distortion, improvisation, feedback, extended techniques, etc. Seriously, nice job talking out your ass fucko.

>> No.53181576

>>53181516
no you're actually wrong here. The tremolo sound i'm talking about is not due to effect pedals. That's why i linked what you want too,it's just fuzz and his glide guitar technique. He didn't really use delay either. I don't care if it's easy to reproduce or that it should've been easy to come up with, fact is that there's nothing that sounded like it. He certainly wasn't the first one to use the tremelo bar, yes he was inspired by sonic youth, but, he came up the glide guitar technique that is one of the key aspects of his sound and it's not as build on effect pedals as some people seem to think. Listen to only tomorrow or who sees you, they're good examples of the glide guitar i'm talking about and it's just fuzz and his tremolo bar, no delay or anything too crazy.

>> No.53181581

>>53181536

thank god people still respect hendrix around here...without context or knowledge, i guess i can hear how it sounds a little dated though

>> No.53181589

>>53181576


ill type a response, but dont go anywhere because you are wrong and illl explain

>> No.53181597

>>53181589
haha alright i'm here

>> No.53181636

>>53181576

No disrespect intended by any of this, you are obviously a fellow fan. He actually did not achieve his sound through only a fuzz and a tremolo bar. He used a regular guitar setup, with extremely expensive pedals and equipment which also almost bankrupt his record lable, creation. He spent like 250k on gear, producers and studio. His sound comes heavily from processing and it isnt as quaint as a simple fuzz and whammy bar.

here is a link with pictures of his pedals alone:

https://everydayguitargear.wordpress.com/2012/03/25/kevin-shields/


His glide playing style literally means that the guitar was overloaded with time bending effects liek reverse reverb, reverse delay, and delay, and he uses his tremolo to sort of glide in and out of key to create that warped sound. i know this because i am a guitarist of ten years, and have been playing shoegaze for a while now, and ive read a lot about MBVs, Slowdives and others gear. I notice a lot of shoegaze musicians try to recreate kevins sound with a simple whammy vbar, fuz, and reverb and it never sounds good. i you youtube kevins guitar sound, you will see tons of peopel explaining it.

and kevin doesnt hide any of this, you can watch him play live. there are videos of him playing in the 90s, and playing these days. He just dint layer his guitar tracks like people thought he did.

>> No.53181655

>>53181636

basically, the delay is what causes the previous notes to blend into the notes that kevin plays while he bends his tremolo bar. If he didnt have his effect chain, it would basically sound dry, sort of like thurston moores sound but with prettier chords and rhythm

>> No.53181674
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53181674

>>53180710
>Scale junkie

>> No.53181704

>>53181636
no disrepect here either, i'm just gonna explain why you're wrong. First, the people on youtube are all teaching by the misconception that a lot of people have, which is that kevin used a bunch of effects like delay and a shit ton of reverb to achieve his sound. It's not true, kevin himself has explained it several times. There's a lot of studio trickery involved but his actual guitar sound, according to himself too, is basically just fuzz and a clean amp together with his tremolo techique. Also combined with reverse reverb on some tracks, which is the key to his glide guitar sound on thkw and blown a wish. But listen to him play only tomorrow live and you'll see what i mean. Loveless is obviously a result of a shit ton of studio trickery as well, but the foundation is not as cluttered with effects as you might think. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsFZCRuA4Qs watch around the 1 min mark too. I'm also a guitarist

>> No.53181712

>>53180932
Faggots like this make /mu/ a special place

>> No.53181723

>>53181536
wrong

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53181730

>>53180501

>> No.53181732

>>53181180
Great post, good job. I like the meme-ing at the end

>> No.53181734

>>53181723
*left

>> No.53181791

>>53181655
no it's not built on delay, this is just me with a shitty speaker and clean guitar. http://vocaroo.com/i/s1TJz2BAdoPo

>> No.53181809

>>53181704

"How many pedals have you got?"

"I dont know, a good few hundred - it shouldnt work but it does"

did you not listen to the video or even watch the first few seconds? nowhere does he say that he does not use pedals, he is merely talking about the tremolo technique. In fact, there were pedals everywhere, I can obviously here a reverse reverb being used when he is playing to here knows when, and everyone talking about his sound describes it as a guitar in a wash of feedback with tremolo. In case you dont know, they dont mean feedback caused by standing too close too an overdriven amp.

No, the misconceptions are how he used his effects, and how he layered guitars. I only ever hear plebs who know nothing about mbv say that it is just a lil effects, fuzz and tremolo. go ahead and try to do ANYTHIGN with that simple effect chain and try to create the sounds you hear in the video you linked. its not gonna happen. Ive linked you to a website with all his gear.

Another trick he relied on was subtle EQ manipulation and sampling.

There was a massive amount of effects, processing and tricks used to create his sound man


if you are a guitarist, go ahead, and find ANY tab, and go use your pedals,a nd try to create that sound. kevin dint create that sound from some secret hand motion he uses that only his genius brain understands. the glide guitar sound, if you look it up, when it was used during the surf rock days sounds very different from kevins because of his notable use of effects.

>> No.53181825

Fred frith took the guitar to a whole new level much like Hendrix did in his prime

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lDzR4is8SvE

>> No.53181835

>>53180895
this sounds like shit

>> No.53181837

>>53181791

do you think i dont know what glide guitar is? that sounds nothing like kevins tone dude, that sounds awful, the first few seconds, i thought you were making a joke.

I fact, going back to my point which caused that guy to argue that thurston moore and kevins playing are not similar. what you just posted sounds a lot like a early sonic youth riff


its not bad playing btw, i didnt mean it like that. its just that obviously sounds nothign like loveless, even if you had recorded it nicely

>> No.53181846

>>53181825
it sounds like a typical jazz wank

>> No.53181856

imo, a very underrated guitarist is nick drake. he gets mad props for his songwriting but his songs are also really tough to play and are very creative with where the melodies go

>> No.53181858

>>53180501
Roger waters of course

>> No.53181868

>>53181809
no listen to the vocaroo i just sent. The key is playing the same note of the same octave several times in the same chord, which is why he used a lot of open tunings. This was in standard though but with 2 Bs of the same octave in the same chord. Yea he shows thkw which is probably the most processed track on loveless guitar sound wise. I'm talking about his tremolo technique, not the fuzz or reverse reverb. Also again, listen to only tomorrow played live.

>> No.53181869

>>53181825

i always loved the guitar in early henry cow stuff

>> No.53181872

>>53181846
Who else sounds comparable to this "wank" then?

>> No.53181887

>>53181868

Yes, but the original point was that what made kevins playing so unique was his use of BOTH tremolo and effects. its not even arguable that effects, eq, sampling, and other types of processing are what gives mbv that unique ethereal sound, when combined with the tremolo, but without the effects, he is doing nothing special

the link you sent me literally sounds like early sonic youth, which is what fueled this whole discussion. just instead of playing it at a slow tempo, with dreamy chors, use harsh chors at a faster tempo, voila sonic youth

>> No.53181890

>>53181837
you don't understand what i'm talking about. Listen to only shallow, the chord riff, or only tomorrow live.http://vocaroo.com/i/s1ddRNIAydWi this is when you sleep, when it's played live its just like this but with some jangly fuzz to it.

>> No.53181912

>>53181887
i'm just saying that the foundation of his sound is just playing like i did in the vocaroos with fuzz added to it. Theres more to it, and especially on tracks like thkw and blown a wish. But take when you sleep, what you want, only shallow or come in alone as examples of what i'm talking about. No reverse reverb there, not any delay or reverb really either.

>> No.53181918

>>53181890

no it isnt, go ahead play exactly what you did with some "jangly fuzz". you might come CLOSE to a sound from You made me realize era, but not loveless or mbv

>> No.53181945

>>53181912

Why do you keep saying there is no reverse reverb an reverse delay when it is in literally every mbv song since loveless? Why do you keep name dropping songs as if I didnt hear you the first time? Man, I knwo what sound you are talking about, you just wont listen to me when i tell you that effects are still a part of that sound. You can argue that his tremolo is the foundation for his style, yes, but without the pedals and processign, it just isnt kevins style, and what made kevin an amazing guitarist was his use of all of the aformentioned tools, more than just his clever use of a whammy bar. You just want to leave out the pedals for some reason, when that is such an important part of his sound and what made him a great guitarist.

>> No.53181958

>>53181918
yea i can, i don't have an amp now but tracks like only tomorrow, come in alone or when you sleep are easy if you know the right chords.

>> No.53181992

>>53181945
it's not at all on every track since loveless, it's an objective fact. And that's what you don't seem to understand, you don't need reverse reverb to recreate his glide guitar technique. I'm not saying that his use of pedals isn't amazing, i'm talking about his glide guitar, nothing else! I'm name dropping songs to prove my point, which clearly didn't get through 'cause youre still talking about delay and reverb.

>> No.53181993

>>53181958

to here knows when is the real pinnacle of his playing style, it is exactly cliche mbv, but whatever man, if you say you can get his sound with a tremolo and a whammy, while he uses a massive amount of bullshit, then good for you

>> No.53181997

>Jeff Mangum
>Robert Pattinson
>Kirk Cobaine
>Sid Vicious
>Death Grip

>> No.53182061

Jimi Hendrix (Jimi Hendrix)
Marc Ribot (Marc Ribot)
(then, far behind)
Robert Quine (Robert Quine)
John Fahey
Sandy Bull
Keiji Haino
Caspar Brötzmann (Caspar Brötzmann)
Ian Williams (Don Caballero, Storm & Stress, Battles)
Jeff Beck (Yardbirds)
Joe Baiza (Saccharine Trust, Universal Congress)
Bola Sete
Vernon Reid (Living Color)
Jimmy Page (Led Zeppelin)
Keith Richards (Rolling Stones, rhythm guitar)
Chuck Berry
Billy Gibbons (ZZ Top)
Duane Allman (Allman Brothers)
Steve Cropper (Mar Keys)
Steve Morse (Dixie Dregs)
Doug Martsch (Built To Spill)
Greg Ginn (Black Flag)
Munehiro Narita (High Rise)
Duane Denison (Jesus Lizard)
Link Wray
Tom Verlaine (Television)
Scott Tuma (Souled American)
Peter Green (Fleetwood Mac)
Helios Creed (Chrome)
Nicky Skopelitis
Robert Fripp (King Crimson)
Arto Lindsay (Ambitious Lovers)
Andy Hawkins (Blind Idiot God)
Jody Harris (Raybeats)
Blixa Bargeld (Einsturzende Neubaten)
Gary Lucas
Eddie VanHalen (Van Halen)
Wayne Rogers (Magic Hour)
Nels Cline (Geraldine Fibbers)
Allan Holdsworth
Buckethead
Gayle Ellett (Djam Karet)
Alan Licht (Run On)
Hank Marvin (Shadows)
Jerry Garcia (Grateful Dead)
Mike Mcready (Pearl Jam)
Roy Montgomery
Randy Holden
Duan Eddy
Karl Precoda (Dream Syndicate)
Mark Knopfler (Dire Straits)
Kirk Hammet (Metallica)
Kevin Shields (My Bloody Valentine)
Eric Clapton (Cream)
Steve Vai

>> No.53182099

>>53181992

You know what dude. Honestly, if you are still dont understand what i am saying, its not happening. Yes, I know what strumming chords while playing with a tremolo bar sounds like, im not retarded, and yes, kevin gets a major part of his sound from that, but that alone is NOT what makes him a great guitarist, which is what this fucking thread is about. I am trying to tell you that his sound comes from effects, processing, AN tremolo. His clever use of ALL of those is what makes him a great guitarist, not JUST his use of tremolo. I dont care if that is all you are focusing on because that is not the topic. Some random guy just interjected and sai that thurston was already using his tremolo bar on his chords to create warped, messed up sounds, which is pretty much glide guitar, if you arent getting into semantics and just look objectively at what is being done to the guitar to create that sound. It is so common to use the tremolo bar for this effect that I would say that if that was all kevin did, it wouldnt be that special. it was how he used his guitar in loveless, like cutting up notes and putting them into samplers, and time stretching them to create unique sounds, and then adding retared amounts of pedals to create one specific guitar lead, etc. That shit as what was unheard of and that is why he deserves to be mentioned in this thread.

Again, i dont care if you are only talkign about his tremolo bar, that is what you dont unerstand because it is irrelevant because only some of his sound is tremolo. its so obvious if you watched the video you linked earlier. in fact, he even said he has hundreds of pedals.
those chods you keep talking about? Yes, those do use reverse reverb, notice hwo the recording you sent me sounded like shit and sounded nothing at all like mbv? thats because what you were playing was dry and had none of the other shit going on.


FUCK IT. im out man.

>> No.53182160

>>53182099
haha and you still missed my point completely. Whatever, relax man.

>> No.53182203

>>53180501
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I73MmppDsg

that guitar doe

>> No.53182230

>ctrl+f steve hackett
>0 results
:^)

>> No.53182266

>>53182230
>ctrl+f steve hackett
>1 results
:^)

>> No.53182280

>>53182061
>Blixa Bargeld (Einsturzende Neubaten)
Pretty sure Blixa never played guitar in Neubauten (or if he did, it was pretty rare), he only played guitar in the Bad Seeds.

>> No.53182290

>>53182061
What would to recommend of Marc Ribot's that shows his virtuosity ?

>> No.53182310

>>53181041
Holy shit what picture is this from

>> No.53182334

>>53181858
>guitar

>> No.53182350

>>53182280
He definitely played guitar on more than a couple albums. The only ones I checked right now were Zeichnungen and Kollaps, where he did play guitar. Halber Mensch only says "various instruments"

>> No.53182358

>>53182290
Its not my list, I've never heard of Marc Ribot, but its definitely got me curious. Rootless Cosmopolitans is the album I'm checking out first

>> No.53182985

>>53181342
I forgot that if you don't believe in a deity you will be reminded that you do indeed, wear a hat.

>> No.53183019

Hendrix was fucking boring. All he did was play notes and notes and more notes. Like he invented them or something.

>> No.53183035

>>53182358
Ok, all I've heard is his work with John zorn but I'll check that album out

>> No.53183040

>>53180501
John McLaughlin

>> No.53184285

>>53183040
This

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