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op is a faggot

oh I thought you said popular opinions my bad

>>53099540

Any Colour You Like is the greatest song ever written.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6Yk2CkEGDY

i bet you've never even listened to Here Comes The Indian or Water Curses for that matter

>>53099571
this is easily the most clever thing i've ever read, truly the product of genius and wit

>>53099580
That song kicks ass. Seeing RW do it live blew my fucking mind. That synth bass just shook the fucking arena <3

>>53099540
I think AnCo is babby's first experimental band and listen to it for the sake of being "different"

>>53099672
>>53099540
But AnCo are fun.
I don't think anybody srsly believes they are the greatest. But they sure are fine.

>>53099540
That isn't an unpopular opinion on /mu at least

Maybe that album is overrated, but as a whole I think they're underrated considering I genuinely think they are easily in the top 5 neo-psych bands of all time, and that they're the best band of the 2000s (their 2000-2004 string of albums is fucking insane)

But really, "overrated" and "underrated" are almost always stupid terms. All it means is that "My appreciation of this album is not proportional to it's popularity/acclaim"

Why the fuck you expect any album to be?

i think people who bash on every form of AC dont get it and say their bad as an excuse for not being able to get into them

Most /mu/core is an accessible poppier version of a more interesting scene that is rarely discussed.

>>53099719

>>53099710
Why not? Have you not listened to anything pre-Sung Tongs?

>>53099672
sure enough didn't start listening to them because they're experimental and I wanted to be different.

They're consistent as fuck, most their work is critically acclaim, and you'd be hard pressed to find a group who changes constantly and still pushes their idiosyncrasies well throughout.

>>53099727
for christ sake, I've asked people why they liked AnCo and a lot of them couldn't do a proper response, not even their fans "get them"

>>53099756
Whatsup? I thought my post was pretty good to be H

>>53099540
How the fuck?

I mean, I think albums like Sung Tongs and MPP are overrated, but they're just such a cool band. No other artist I've ever heard can feel so overwhelmingly poppy yet abrasive and wild as fuck.

3/10? Are you high?

>>53099745
I doubt that's even an unpopular opinion, I think most people are aware of that

I mean there's a reason they're the most popular/discussed albums, they're pretty accessible (by /mu/ standards)

R.E.M. > The Smiths

early anco was fucking goat, say whatever you want about post-ST anco

>>53099727
are you saying that im using not liking ac as an excuse to not like ac idgi

why is it so hard for you people to wrap your head around me disliking ac
theyre really not good at all
ive tried to listen to a lot of their stuff and i just dont like it
chill

>>53099800
MPP is by far, bar none, their crowning achievement. Their most artsy is HCTI I would say though.
>>53099745
this isn't true

>>53099800
Feels was fucking fantastic.

>>53099763
>most their work is critically acclaim

>>53099799
That's not that unpopular.

REM just kind of irks me sometimes though. The only reason is say that comparison makes sense is because REM had a much more expansive discog.

>>53099834
Why would I care? All you're saying is "I don't like thing!"

The only reason I'll ever care about someone not like something is if they can actually explain why and say something insightful, even if I disagree

>>53099838
>MPP is by far, bar none, their crowning achievement

>>53099838
>not Feels

ok

>>53099880
i didnt want to post an entire review of every ac album on /mu/ because im not fucking pretentious and i dont think my opinion is holy unlike a lot of the people who are dumbfounded by me disliking ac

>>53099672
Those two points are pretty dissonant, not that I totally disagree with the first one. If they're not genuinely experimental and are actually accessible, is it not possible that "babbies" find it enjoyable, instead of listening to it just to be different? If they wanted to identify with something different without actually having to enjoy it, wouldn't they choose a more experimental and less poppy and fun band?

You just seem more eager to disparage Animal Collective than to give an accurate and honest appraisal.

>>53099580
So incredibly agreed, the finality of this sentiment is felt with... If not I am a singular other person to agree.
>see figure 1.
the most original group to emerge from Detroit

Radiohead is hilariously overrated and their fans are a bunch of pretentious assholes
Best King Crimson is Lizard

>>53099838
untitled alone is better than all of MPP

>>53099946
agreed tbqh
if i here one more teenager at a guitar shop play creep im going to scream

>>53099915
>You just seem more eager to disparage Animal Collective than to give an accurate and honest appraisal.
Their music was just not my thing. The previous comment was directed at the fanbase, though

>>53099946
>Radiohead is hilariously overrated and their fans are a bunch of pretentious assholes
yep. Radiohead is definitely one of the most overrated bands + the fans are v obnoxious.

>>53099910
>i didnt want to post an entire review of every ac album
Nobody's asking you to, but that doesn't mean you should never elaborate on your opinions

This is a cheap way of saying "I don't want to discuss music meaningfully, probably because I don't know how"

You are literally saying that you have to be pretentious to discuss your opinions about music beyond "ITS BAD" and "ITS GOOD"

You are simple as fuck, my man

>>53099995
I don't have an issue with not liking them, but when you try to tell people why they like a band whose appeal you don't actually recognise - that's just arrogant and narrow-minded.

>>53099540
Yep. Also what >>53099672 said. AnCo is that perfect combination of accessible and lolsorandum "look at me i'm so different" that suburban white teenager pseudo-patricians absolutely eat up.

>>53100078
what is the appeal then? I've asked this numerous times and got a whole bunch of bullshit answers or none at all

>>53099948
This

>>53100045
you are asking me to prove that i dislike something because you refuse to accept that i can dislike something you like, i haven't even offered my reasoning so how can it be shallow? what you're doing, however, is extremely shallow. not to mention you are moving the goalpost, i was never asked to elaborate on why i dislike ac, i was accused of not properly appreciating ac

>>53100120
That's a really stupid question

Maybe you should ask about the appeal about a specific album, otherwise you're only going to get vague answers

>>53099937
death isn't that good, most people only know about / like them because of the documentary

>>53100109
do you actually like music or do you just care about aesthetics

>>53100109
that's a big guy

>>53100160
>That's a really stupid question
how? even if you separate it by eras there must still be a thing that characterizes the band as a whole, but whatever. what is the appeal of feels/sung tungs/spirit?

>>53100041
>+ and v
this isn't tumblr

>>53100120
They combine pretty melodies and harmonies with interesting and detailed textures. I agree that they're the intersection of pop and experimental but I see that as a good thing (if you look down on pop and beautiful melodies aren't your thing, you won't).

They've embraced a different sound and aesthetic with each album and executed well. Their music is full of energy, colour, personality, emotion, and beauty.

>>53100152
>you are asking me to prove that i dislike something because you refuse to accept that i can dislike something you like
No I'm not. I don't care that you don't like something. That was the point of my first post

"Why would I care? All you're saying is 'I don't like thing!'"
"The only reason I'll care is if you explain etc"

I don't remember saying your reasoning is shallow, my point was that you had no reasoning

>moving goalpst
How? I'm not the anon that cares if you appreciate AnCo or not. Again, my only point is that I don't care if someone doesn't like something unless they have something insightful to say. This was in response to when you said "why is it so hard for you people to wrap your head around me disliking ac"

>>53100225
who fucking cares it's the internet you nerd

>>53099540
Anco is pretty lame.

>>53100204
>there must still be a thing that characterizes the band as a whole
Sure, but you're going to get unsatisfactory answers like

>They are great at putting a childlike sense of wonder into their music, whether it be cacophonous or pleasant, or both at the same time. They have a good melodic sensibility, but what pushes them over the edge in terms of quality is how they blend that with brilliant soundscapes, like those on HCTI, Danse and to a lesser extent SJ. They do pseudo-tribal jams like Holy Modal Rounders, and psyched out pop like Syd Barrett. They are truly the premier psychedelic band of this generation

So you're better off asking about specific albums, because the appeal of Spirit is completely different from the appeal of Feels. The only similarities are the pop vocals and the psychedelia-tinged sound

>>53099778
I dont know if youre still here but your post was pretty good. Mu has been sucking at actual disscusion and full of stupid people just posting reaction images instead of talking to a person

Popular music is universally bad.

>>53100367
yeah it's unpopular because its fucking stupid

>>53100204
STGSTV creates this peaceful, yet kind of 'off' fantasy world with its music. The band is clearly young and hasn't mastered harmonies or a huge sound yet, but the album is extremely cohesive and features one if the greatest starting streaks of any band ever: (Beautifully serene yet creepy title track, the upbeat, rhythmic, spastic April and the Phantom, and the ear-piercing yet oddly hypnotizing Untitled). Also, the drums are fantastic.

Sung Tongs is overrated IMO. It was their softest (excluding Campfire Songs) album to date, and featured folk songs from every area of folk music. It had fantastic songs like Leaf House, yet wasn't that great as a full experience.

Feels only retained minuscule evidence of AnCo's previous eccentricity and abrasiveness, yet it was special in its own way. It was bright, big, and had some of the best melodies and structures of any AnCo release. The instrumentation is slightly odd, yet works with the diversity if the tracks. Extremely happy and listenable album.

There you go, faggot.

>>53100362
Thanks my dude, it's always nice to know there's still people who don't actively try to make this board even worse

>>53099540
sugar ray is just as good as weezer, which is not a lot

>>53099580
It's not even the best on the album, ffs
Great Gig in the Sky is way better

>>53099999

>>53100109
I've never met the part of the fanbase you're talking about. The only thing that even resembles it is people who love STGSTV while casually disregarding most of their other work except sometimes MPP. Breaking down experimentation into "lolsorandum" is a nice way to discredit whatever you're saying.

AnCo is popular enough now that people who want to be seen as patrician have moved on to other bands. They're popular enough now to get bashed by /mu/ now too.

>>53100447
I want to be seen as patrician and they're still one of my favorite bands

>>53100392
The part about Sung Tongs reads like that music defener comic, seriously, you have to know this.

>>53100392
Okay, but they still didn't do anything for me. sorry anon

>>53100485
I seriously thought it was that one guy who used to post here for a second, I forgot his name

You know, the chubby Iranian gay one

>>53100503
Why did you even ask? Also his was the worst

See
>>53100321
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>>53100230

>>53100392
It seems like you measure all of their albums success with how closely they resemble STGSTV.

>>53100503
As long as you recognise that people don't pretend to like them to seem patrician, you're fine.

>>53100507
I actually don't. If you come up with a name, I'd love to hear it.

>>53099540
That's exactly how I feel. After spending months trying to get into them, I said "FUCK IT" and stopped caring about music. Ever since I've had 4 gf's and I fucked them all (and ate 2 of their assholes).

More unpopular opinions less AC talk

>>53100539
Tip of the tongue, give me a moment

>>53100539
>>53100559
crazyaga

>>53100569
There it is

>>53099903
feels is second place I think...maybe you could say it's better
>>53099948
>>53099886
>kek pop music
>>53100392
STGSTV is pretty good, but overrated to the absolute shit on /mu/ because you're all a bunch of pussies.

You definitely did not understand Sung Tongs after the two listens you gave it

you're a pretentious faggot

>>53100569
ooooooooooooooooooh

ok

>>53100447
>Breaking down experimentation into "lolsorandum" is a nice way to discredit whatever you're saying
except that's exactly what anco is

>>53100577
You're calling _him_ pretentious?

Why even bother posting when you're not even saying anything? At least he made an attempt, however poor, at explaining his position, whereas you say "Nah, you're wrong!"

>>53099540
this album is a 6.5 for me, but it's the only AnCo album i've listened to fully. which album should I check out next?

>>53100672
Probably Strawberry Jam.

>>53100672
Feels if you want the general vein of MPP, Sung Tongs if you want freak folk, and STGSTV if you want noiser and more experimental

>>53100637
That's what he is. I think everyone else made a good case and I'm just bullying him. Even if it was a good attempt it wouldn't make it any less pretentious. He was asked to say the appeal of Sung Tongs when he obviously hasn't really even heard it and thinks STGSTV is the bees knees.

>>53099799
The Cure > both of 'em

>>53100531
How so? I enjoy Feels just as much.

In all honesty, those three are the only three I've heard all the way through. Call me a pleb, I don't really give a shit.

>>53100751
Spirit is the bees knees. What's your issue with it?

>>53100806
If you love those albums, why not listen to their other one's as soon as possible? What are you waiting for?

Go listen to HCTI, Danse, Campfire Songs and SJ now

>>53100391
No, it's unpopular because the majority of people are tasteless.

Popular music is just bad, accept it.

What's redeeming about it? What isn't child's play compared to the centuries of music that existed before it?

Even the most flamboyant late-romantic music is more subtle, if that's a firetruck then popular music must be a jet engine.

>>53100807
Disclaimer that this is my opinion and not objective because I really don't want to take the time to critically analyse Spirit right now.

It's just not as good as /mu/ makes it out to be. It's a great album, but HCTI, Strawberry Jam, MPP, Feels, ST, are more varied, have more focused feeling and songwriting, don't invoke that retard emotional state /mu/ jizzes themselves over, they also have much better bass sounds (holy shit that Chocolate Girl bass sound on anything but fucking headphones.) It's good, but not incredible.

>>53100863
This is honestly my least favorite meme, followed by ">I DON'T LIKe IT SO IT MUST Be Le BAIT XDDDD"

>>53100837

he's a god damn moran

/mu/ is good

>>53100932
I kek'd

>>53100880
You don't need a disclaimer, you can't give an objective "opinion"

There are objective qualities to music, but it doesn't follow that the overall quality can be determined objectively. What is most important? Many will say harmony, others will say innovation. There can be no definitive answer, at most there can be a sort of consensus, but that doesn't imply objectivity

Also, if that were even possible, I doubt you would be the one to decide these "objective opinions" considering your post

Let me show you what you just said:

>It's overrated. Their albums are better (So? We're talking about Spirit)

>>53100807
Not explicitly a problem, but true nonetheless.

>>53100725
>>53100739
fuck it, just gonna download the discography

>>53100977
Yeah, not even a little bit of a problem

>>53100893
>He cant argue so he memes
I just purchased an automatic pistol crossbow. It's a mix between a gun and a crossbow, it's like a pistol but it fires arrows. I killed a goat with a shot in the stomach at point-blank range by alluring it with grass; the beast died three hours later. I will do the same with you. I know that you like grass, like all sheep do.
>>53100967
>people can't be wrong
Opinions have weight.

>>53101004
Exactly. I PERSONALLY think STGSTV is grossly overrated, an 8 on a really good day. But I think the fact that it is set apart from what every other album generally held as being part of AnCo's discography is related to why it's held in such high regard here.

>>53101044
*set apart from every other album

>>53101044
An 8 is a great score, what are you even talking about

That's a bit more than it's RYM score. Your rate an album .5 or 1 point off from the usual score and it's somehow something to care about?

See >>53099719
>But really, "overrated" and "underrated" are almost always stupid terms. All it means is that "My appreciation of this album is not proportional to it's popularity/acclaim"

>Why the fuck you expect any album to be?

>>53101033
Tell me where I said people can't be wrong. I'm not using subjectivity as a cop out of discussing and analyzing music

This is strange coming from the guy who said "He cat argue so he memes". Why don't you put forward an argument of some sort?

>>53101033
You're one sick puppy! God damn I wish I was as cool as this cat. You're Like Andrew Dice Clay or something

Damn, I'm just sitting here stunned thinking "This guy just doesn't give a heck"

>>53101133
An argument would be wasted, as you would only deny it.

>>53101099
Well, this board would give it a 20/10 if it could. Like I said, though, that's my good day rating. I used to hate it, cause I thought every track after Untitled was just boring, but lately think of it more like a 7 normally. There are just sometimes though when I try it and I'm like, "yeah, this is just right" and I get into it. But they're the exception.

kanye west is a god amongst men

>>53101180
All of your posts have been wasted so far. You might as well give it a shot, otherwise you'll be exposed as a filthy baiter! I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but you gotta give me something

I promise I'll give you a fair shake, I bet you're a master of rhetoric

>>53100792
this

>>53101180
>He can't argue so he baits

>>53101263
>>53101340
>WAAAH MEMES AYY LMAO ANYTHING I LIKE AND DISLIKE IS LE MEME
>420 MEME PARTY IN MY BASEMENT!!

>>53101402
Master of rhetoric confirmed

>>53100967
>caring this much
kek.

But you're right when you say that I could have just said it's overrated.

>>53101033
diss

>>53101509
Why wouldn't I care this much

What's wrong with caring

>>53101532
It's just so trivial to get all winded up over something like that.

Who cares? You're not arguing my point, you're just trying to prove you're smart.

>>53101561
I'm not winded up, I just like posting and I think it was a valid point

>you're just trying to prove you're smart
Did it work?

>>53101597
I bet once you got a taste of the finer things in life, you've never been able to be satisfied since.

>>53101624
What do you mean by the finer things in life? I've always been poor and probably always will be, but I do enjoy art

>>53101658
better music

King of Limbs is the best Radiohead album
Colour of Spring is the best Talk Talk album
New Album is the best Boris album

>>53101674
I'm satisfied

Peacebone is such a good song tho

>>53099672
Most experimental music is what people actually listen to for the sake of being different. I can elaborate on this, but most experimental stuff is just as narrow and stupid and most traditional stuff. Anco is good because it confounds both and creates something simultaneously atypical and well written in the traditional sense.

>>53099774
You're asking dumb fucking people. Those exist in every fan base. I'm sure that there are a lot of people that listen to them to align themselves with a culture they want to be a part of, but that's besides the point. The reason they're good is because they've managed to show incredibly broad range in just about every aspect a musician could, but they also managed to present their eccentricities in a way that people can relate to. They are both intellectually and emotionally poignant.

They've written songs with both western and nonwestern scales and modes, they've explored all sorts of standard and poly-rhythms (there are plenty of arrhythmic songs as well), they've ventured into abrasion and soothing timbres, sometimes juxtaposing the two in highly unorthodox ways, they've constantly evolved their sound, their lyricism is both ambiguous and tangible, they're passionate performers, I could go on or provide examples, but I think they're totally respectable compared to most western musicians. The one thing they really don't excel in is technique, and only dumbasses don't recognize that musicians that define themselves by technique are more athletes than they are artists. Which is respectable in its own right, but not in a cerebral way.

>>53100120

see

>>53102064

Flaming lips isn't that great of a band, their only good releases are soft bulletin and telepathic surgery.

>>53099540
areoplane over the sea is super boring
3/10 not good

>>53100190
most of /mu/ care about aesthetics

this is why majority of the discussions are centered on memes, very few people actually listen to the music for the sake of enjoyment, they care about the image, they care about their shitty last.fm plays and lists, they care about fitting in with a group, they care about pitchfork's opinion on albums etc.

>>53099595
this is easily the most clever thing i've ever read, truly the product of genius and wit

>>53099968
*hear

>>53099580
It's literally improvisation over two chords. Not that it's bad to listen to, but it's not exactly great writing.

>>53100196
4u

Pic related is Radiohead's GOAT.
The Microphones > NMH.
Burial is awfully boring.
The Seer, PCIAGI and Filth are the only decent Swans albums.

>>53106691
The pic

i think rating albums is petty and trivializes someone's hard work