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Nice list

>Bach
>influential
What a fucking moron

Elvis
Jackson
Kanye
Yorke
Ride

'thoven's gotta be way up there

>tfw you will never be as influential as the first caveman to beat on sticks and rocks.

Handel
Beethoven
Wagner
Debussy
The Beatles

>the fact that many books still name the beatles the greatest or most influencial blablabla you know it

>>52824565
kanye? are you even serious

>only western artists
>western artists who were influenced by other cultures

Are you stupid?

>>52824565
Tepjok

>>52824634
how about posting your picks huh

>>52824634
>implying it's not implied we're talking about western music only
>implying anyone knows fuck all about anything else
>implying western music culture isn't the most superior anyways

>>52824634
non western artists are mostly irrelevant to anywhere rather than the country they live in.

Well, if you only think about rock music
>The Beatles/Beach Boys
>Can
>Captain Beefheart
>Velvet Underground
>Suicide

The Beatles
Kraftwerk
TVU
Radiohead
Pink Floyd
Led Zeppelin

>>52824692
No.

Robert Johnson
Buddy Holly
Chuck Berry
Little Richard
Jerry Lee Lewis

>>52824714
Yours all can be summed up under Robert Johnson. The rest are just playing his chords in a different manner

Death
Atheist
Metallica
Black Sabbath
Sabaton

>>52824743
>Death
I hope you mean the punk band

Yellow Magic Orchestra
Afrika Bambaataa
Kool Herc
Juan Atkins
Frankie Knuckles

>>52824776
literally who: the list

I don't think I could make a list of five but the fact that no-one has mentioned Miles Davis yet is pretty shocking.

>>52824893
The fact that you think miles davis's infleunce was greater than the influence louis armstrong, charlier parker, duke ellington, jelly roll morton is more shocking

bump

>>52824565
>muh meme

Not five, but who am I missing and why? Who shouldn't be on the list and why? I'm aware there are a lot of missing artists.

Bach
John Cage
Louis Armstrong
Miles Davis
James Brown
Chuck Berry
The Velvet Underground
Black Sabbath
Kraftwerk
King Crimson
Public Enemy
Kanye West

>>52825598
Kool Herc or Afrika Bambaataa for hip hop

>>52825598
Bach is not fucking influential.
Stop pretending to look like you have taste.

>>52825598
The Belleville 3
Frankie Knuckles
M Beat Ft General Levy

Scott Joplin
Bach
Louis Armstrong
Charley Patton
Jimmie Rodgers

>>52825598
the beatles

>>52825611
Cool.

>>52825604
Nice, I will try to check them out.

>>52825619
Why are you naming those?

>>52825633
>Cool.
So you admit that you are a faker?
Sad.

>>52825598
Miles Davis shouldn't be there since he wasn't THAT influential to Jazz. He was a pioneer of Modal and Cool but he didn't change the game like Parker did, he didn't set the foundations like Jelly Roll Morton or Scott Joplin, he didn't took it to the mainstream and wrote enough of classics tunes like Duke did. And why the fuck is Kanye did?

dave bowie
dave byrne
dave foster wallace
dave thomas
super dave

>>52825633
>who am I missing
>

>and why
Most important and influential artists in techno, house and breaks respectively.

Charlie Parker
The Beatles
Can
Captain Beefheart
The Velvet Underground

I dont know anything about music before the 50s

>>52824544
Not gonna lie that's a retarded list, but the fact that he cites Bach to try to give some credibility when he obviously doesn't know shit is hilarious.

>>52825642
What should I add then? I doubt you know too much if you can't do that simple task (not that I know a lot, but still)

>>52825657
Great! Thanks a lot!

>>52825654
>did?
there*

Chuck Berry
The Velvet Underground, the
David Bowie (*sigh*)
Sex Pistols
Kraftwerk

>>52825663
>Charlie Parker
seems like you know more than the majority of /mu/

>>52825669
>What should I add then? I doubt you know too much if you can't do that simple task (not that I know a lot, but still)
>>52824616

>>52825667
>blink 182
>greenday
>RATM
>linkin park
>Mozart

>>52824565
I'm okay with this.

>>52825681
I'd say no Armstrong, no Parker though. But Parker should be recognized too.

I think Black Sabbath deserves a place too, but I'm not sure if in a top 5.

>>52825682
But Bach was more influential than any of those artists.

Most of them we're literally influenced by Bach anyway.

>>52825699
also, if I had to take someone from OP's list, it would be Kraftwerk.

>>52825699
>I'd say no Armstrong, no Parker though
why? is jazz not important enough?

>>52825700
Bach was forgotten until Mendelssohn brought back his scores from a library.
By then other composers made a MUCH larger mark

>>52825699
Armstrong changed the paradigm of popular music, he put for the first time the focus on the performer instead of the composer.

Stop being retarded.

THIS ONE
>(Insert the 5 most mainstream post grunge bands here)

the amount of post-grunge they influencied to create is extreme

>>52825714
Please cite your sources, so I can laugh at them.

Bach is not called the father of music for nothing, anon.

>>52824544

Hendrix
John Lennon
Vivaldi
Mozart

and Bob Dylan because he stole music and gave it to the record companies.

>>52825729
You're a fucking idiot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFIWOBBzrSA

>Classical
John Cage
Steve Reich

>Jazz
Louis Armstrong
Charlie Parker

>Soul/R&B/Funk
James Brown
Parliament/Funkadelic

>Rock
Chuck Berry
The Velvet Underground

>Punk
The Stooges

>Metal
Black Sabbath
Watchtower

>Electronic (Techno and CO)
Kraftwerk

>Hip Hop
Kanye West

Okay, am I missing some genre? Fill the gaps!
I know some choices might be ignorant, but I can't know everything at once.

>>52825654
Nice, I don't know a lot of Jazz, but I knew he did the Modal thing and seemed fitting. What would you add?
Kanye West is there for some guaranteed replies and some other artists to incentivate people to reply to the post.

>>52825729
What he says is true. He was forgotten for a long time (that's what my music teacher told me at least)

>>52825745
>John Cage
>Steve Reich
You're a fucking idiot too.

>>52825713
>>52825723
wtf, I was saying that if it wasn't for Louis Armstrong we wouldn't have Charlie Parker, making Armstrong a deserving contender for a top 5 list.

>>52825759
Just throwing out some ideas, remember to have fun :)
Also, if you are so knowledgable, why don't you propose something else?

>>52825745
>Rock
>metal
>AND punk

>>Electronic (Techno and CO)
>hip hop separate

Filtered.

>>52825743
>>52825745
Dunno how that invalidates that Bach was overall the most influential composer of it's time and history.

He influenced contemporary composers like Beethoven, so the later ones also took his influence indirectly.

>>52825775
Already did.
>>52824616
The wise man knows not to speak when he has poor knowledge of a subject.

>>52825745
>What would you add?
Any of the artists I mentioned are probably more influential than miles. Also forgot about Ornette Coleman which is fairly obvious. You could also make a case for Chico Hamilton and Lennie Tristano being more influential but i'm not sure about that. And perhaps John Coltrane too.

I don't know about the rest, but Kanye is the most influential artist of all time.

>>52825745
Your list is absolutely ridiculous.
Those picks for classical?
Only The Stooges for punk?
Watchtower for metal?
Only Kraftwerk for electronic?
Only Kanye West for hip hop?

Stop trying to seem more knowledgeable than you actually are.

>>52825777
>He influenced contemporary composers like Beethoven
Literally fucking quoting the video you ignored
>practically unknown composer
>Bach in his lifetime was known as a great organist
>music known only to family and friends
Handel, Mozart, and Haydn were Beethoven's influences.
Stop talking nonsense.

>>52824776
If we're talking about dance music, this is a good list

>>52824544
why dont we just admit we know nothing and just make it the top 5 most influential artists of modern music or the last 60 years

Black Sabbath
The Velvet Underground
The Sonics
Bo Diddley
Melly Mel/Grandmaster FLash and the Furious Five

I'm ignorant when it comes to most genres, this is just a basic draft. If you want to help, you are cool, if not, shut up.

>Classical
Handel
Beethoven
Wagner
Debussy
John Cage
Steve Reich

>Jazz
Louis Armstrong
Charlie Parker
Ornette Coleman
Chico Hamilton
Lennie Tristano
John Coltrane

>Soul/R&B/Funk
James Brown
Parliament/Funkadelic

>Rock
Chuck Berry
The Velvet Underground
The Beatles

>Punk
The Stooges

>Progressive Rock
King Crimson

>Metal
Black Sabbath
Watchtower

>Electronic (Techno and CO)
Kraftwerk

>Hip Hop
Kanye West

>>52825776
Try being more productive next time.

>>52825777
Makes sense, but I'm no expert so can't really tell.

>>52825787
I already said I had little knowledge of the subject
>I know some choices might be ignorant, but I can't know everything at once.

>>52825789
I obviously missed some obvious stuff, it's just a draft. Ornette Coleman is definitely influential though.

>>52825807
I obviously missed some obvious stuff, it's just a draft. Propose something better, please.

>>52825810
and Mozert and Haydn were both heavily influenced by Bach. Beethoven was also influenced by Bach.

>>52825810
How was Bach a practically unkown composer when Beethoven got famous first as an improviser often using Bach compositions.

>>52825851
>Try being more productive next time.

I did and you totally ignored me because you are dumb bitch who thinks techno and house are the same genre, let alone the rest.

>20th century on
Velvet Underground
Pixies
Kraftwerk
Robert Johnson
Juan Atkins
Frankie Knuckles
Black Sabbath
The Beatles
Miles Davis
John Coltrane
Ramones
Bob Dylan
Chuck Berry
Nirvana

>>52825851
>Handel
>Beethoven
>Wagner
>Debussy
>John Cage
>Steve Reich
Oh I see, now you're stealing my picks so you can look more intelligent?
What a fucking fraud.
>I already said I had little knowledge of the subject
Then don't fucking post your picks.
>>52825854
They were influenced by HANDEL.
>Handel understands effect better than any of us -- when he chooses, he strikes like a thunderbolt.
-- Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, quoted in Percy M Young, Handel (1947)
>He is the greatest composer that ever lived. I would uncover my head and kneel before his tomb.
-- Ludwig van Beethoven, quoted in Percy M Young, Handel (1947)

>Upon hearing the 'Hallelujah Chorus' from Messiah, Joseph Haydn is said to have "wept like a child" and exclaimed:
>"He is the master of us all."

Note how I am quoting sources. And you aren't.

>>52825884
Still needs Kool Herc or Afrika Bambaataa

>>52825656
>byrne
you're my favorite

Guns N' Roses
Nirvana
Green Day
Metallica
The Prodigy

>>52825851
Ellington for jazz
Black Flag, Sex Pistols, Joy DIvision for punk
Metallica, Iron Maiden, Bathory for metal (and remove Watchtower ffs, great band but nowhere near one of the most influential)
Bach for classical
Stockhausen for electronic (?)
Public Enemy for hip hop (?)

>>52824714
>>52824733
robert johnsons way too overrated. the real heroes behind blues are blind willie johnson and lead belly

>>52825889
>composers have one and only influence throughout their whole life

>>52825889
They were influenced by both bach and handel. Also keep in mind that bach was also influential to a lot of prog rock musicians as well as jazz musicians.

Frank Sinatra
Elvis
Bob Dylan
Beach Boys
The Beatles (And Lennon as a person)
Pink Floyd
Kraftwerk
Madonna
Michael Jackson
Radiohead
2Pac
Black Sabbath
Sex Pistols
The Clash
Daft Punk
The Avalanches

>>52825908
10/10

>>52825902
Fine. I don't really know much about hip hop.

I'm ignorant when it comes to most genres, this is just a basic draft. If you want to help, you are cool, if not, shut up.

>Classical
Bach
Handel
Beethoven
Wagner
Debussy
John Cage
Steve Reich
Stockhausen

>Jazz
Louis Armstrong
Charlie Parker
Ornette Coleman
Chico Hamilton
Lennie Tristano
John Coltrane
Duke Ellington

>Soul/R&B/Funk
James Brown
Parliament/Funkadelic

>Rock
Chuck Berry
The Velvet Underground
The Beatles

>Punk
The Stooges
Black Flag
Sex Pistols
Joy Division

>Progressive Rock
King Crimson

>Metal
Black Sabbath
Watchtower
Metallica
Iron Maiden
Bathory

>Electronic (Techno and CO)
Kraftwerk
The Belleville 3
Frankie Knuckles
M Beat Ft General Levy

>Hip Hop
Public Enemy
Kanye West

>>52825883
Of course they aren't.

>>52825889
Uhm, yeah, that's exactly what I did.
>Then don't fucking post your picks.
Then tell me where I'm wrong. This is supposed to be a collaborative effort.

>>52825910
Thanks a lot! I love you now :3

>>52825910
>1 classical
>1 jazz

>Stockhausen for electronic (?)
>Public Enemy for hip hop (?)

Just go the whole hog and put hip hop under electronic while you are at it. Don't forget to separate rock into more microgenres though.

>>52825915
>>52825931
You have failed to provide any sources. Please stop forcing yourself.
>Also keep in mind that bach was also influential to a lot of prog rock musicians as well as jazz musicians.
Who gives a fuck?

>>52825935
Oh and The Shins or NMH. Either one pretty much defined indie.

>>52825948
We live in the Internet, just go to the wikipedia page of Beethoven and you'll see how they're influenced by Bach at some point or another.

>>52825851
to Jazz add: Jelly roll Morton, Scott Joplin, Duke Ellington, Miles Davis

for funk add: Sly & The Family Stone, Aretha Franklin, Marvin Gaye, Temptations, Otis Redding.

>>52825957
>The Shins

L I T E R A L L Y who?

>>52825968
I already fucking proved you wrong.
Again, just stop.

>>52825946
>1 classical
>1 jazz
Never said there should be only one artist under those, I was just suggesting addition to the ones that were already there.

>>52825942
Explain to me, breafly, why is Watchtower one of the most influential metal bands.

Perotin
Ockeghem
Josquin des Prez
Ravi Shankar
Duke Ellington
Charles Parker
Miles Davis
Chuck Berry
Suicide
The Velvet Underground
Faust

>>52825948
>Who gives a fuck?
because we are talking about their influence to music in general not only their art music influence. And you have failed to provide a source for bach having no influence to any of these composers.

I'm ignorant when it comes to most genres, this is just a basic draft. If you want to help, you are cool, if not, shut up.

>Classical
Bach
Handel
Beethoven
Wagner
Debussy
John Cage
Steve Reich
Stockhausen

>Jazz
Louis Armstrong
Charlie Parker
Ornette Coleman
Chico Hamilton
Lennie Tristano
John Coltrane
Duke Ellington
Jelly roll Morton
Scott Joplin
Miles Davis

>Soul/R&B/Funk
James Brown
Parliament/Funkadelic
Sly & The Family Stone, Aretha Franklin
Marvin Gaye
Temptations
Otis Redding.

>Rock
Chuck Berry
The Velvet Underground
The Beatles

>Punk
The Stooges
Black Flag
Sex Pistols
Joy Division

>Progressive Rock
King Crimson

>Metal
Black Sabbath
Watchtower
Metallica
Iron Maiden
Bathory

>Electronic (Techno and CO)
Kraftwerk
The Belleville 3
Frankie Knuckles
M Beat Ft General Levy

>Hip Hop
Kool Herc
Afrika Bambaataa
Public Enemy
Kanye West

>>52825946
Well, if you want more subdivision just ask, or if you want to merge two genres too. It doesn't really hurt to have a lot of sub-genres anyways.

>>52825971
Thanks, you are super cool.

>>52825982
I thought they were the first technical metal band, but I'm no metal expert and putted them on the list just to fill some gaps.
Remember, it's just a draft.

>>52825974
L I T E R A L L Y one of the fathers of indie.

>>52825977
You only demonstrated how Beethoven was influenced by Handel.

How that invalidates the claim that he was also influenced by Bach, I don't know.

>>52825994
He wasn't their primary influence and as such played an insignificant role compared to established composers like Handel.
I still see no sources from you.

>>52825851
Kanye West is in no way the most influential man in hip-hop. I know fuck all about the genre, and I know that much. Public Enemy or RUN-DMC are far more important.

>>52825982
If you are going to dissect rock with metal and punk, you should had done classical and jazz too.

>Symphony
>Concerto
>Suite
>Opera
>Chamber Music
>Sonata
>Duos, Trios, Quartets, Quintets, Sextets, Octets

>big band
>dixieland
>bebop, hard bop, post bop
>free jazz

>>52824922
The fact that others think Elvis and Kanye and Pink Floyd and Louis Armstrong and Jelly Roll were more influential than Miles Davis is bullshit

>>52824544
>Perotin
>Buxtehude
>Schonberg
>Pierre Schaeffer
>Max Martin

these were the guys behind the scenes of all successful artists of the last 500 years

>>52825997
>I thought they were the first technical metal band
That's actually arguably, but coming first does not mean being the most influential, hell, if you were to puta tech thrash band, Megadeth would be a better choice, or look at Atheist, a heavily Watchtower-influenced band happened to be more influetial than Watchtower themselves.
Being influential has a lot to do with being popular.

>>52826032
oh, that was what you meant, blame the guy making the list, not me.

>>52826045
Betty Davis was more influential than Miles Davis.

Shit, Betty influenced Miles, if she hadn't have fucked Sly and Jimi Miles would have faded away before his most popular album.

>>52825654
Yes he was. Cool, Hard Bop, Modal, Fusion? All heavily influenced by him, some practically created by him

>>52826013
>He wasn't their primary influence
He was still an influence, Bach is more prominent today than Handel.

>people actually fucking listing artists like
>Joy Division
>King Crimson
>Kanye West
>Beefheart

The more popular your band is on /mu/, the more influential you have been in all of music history.

>>52825942
Underground Resistance, Phuture, and AFX for "" electronic""

>>52826056
>Perotin
>influential pre-Minimalism
Not terribly
There are better composers you could pick overall.

>There are people ITT that honestly think Kanye West and MC Ride are influential

top fucking cuck

>>52826045
>Louis Armstrong not more influential than Miles Davis


Are you fucking stupid? Slim, realize that this isn't about who you like the most; it's about the effect they had on others.

>>52825598
Add Duke ellington, beethoven, and Premo then you're good

>>52825997
>It doesn't really hurt to have a lot of sub-genres anyways.

If you are having hip hop seperated, then so should techno and house be at least, all 3 are as different to each other as the last.

>>52826072
>He was still an influence
Not as large of an influence and therefore not as much of an influential musician.
>Bach is more prominent today than Handel.
1. Please give me your justification for this.
2. Hallelujah Chorus...

>>52826079
Don't even encourage it
>>52826089

I'm ignorant when it comes to most genres, this is just a basic draft. If you want to help, you are cool, if not, shut up.
I have to go in 10-20 minutes, so feel free to keep with this list when I'm gone.

>Classical
Bach
Handel
Beethoven
Wagner
Debussy
John Cage
Steve Reich
Stockhausen

>Jazz
Louis Armstrong
Charlie Parker
Ornette Coleman
Chico Hamilton
Lennie Tristano
John Coltrane
Duke Ellington
Jelly roll Morton
Scott Joplin
Miles Davis

>Soul/R&B/Funk
James Brown
Parliament/Funkadelic
Sly & The Family Stone, Aretha Franklin
Marvin Gaye
Temptations
Otis Redding.

>Rock
Chuck Berry
The Velvet Underground
The Beatles
Frank Zappa

>Punk
The Stooges
Black Flag
Sex Pistols
Joy Division

>Progressive Rock
King Crimson
Can
Magma
Henry Cow
Pink Floyd

>Metal
Black Sabbath
Watchtower
Metallica
Iron Maiden
Bathory

>Electronic (Techno and CO)
Kraftwerk
The Belleville 3
Frankie Knuckles
M Beat Ft General Levy

>Hip Hop
Kool Herc
Afrika Bambaataa
Public Enemy
RUN-DMC

>>52826029
Added!

>>52826067
Yeah, you are right. I was just throwing out some ideas.

>>52826083
Feel free to disagree and explain why you think something shouldn't be there.

>>52825884
Need Charlie Parker and Duke Ellington. Also some hip hop like RZA or Premo

>>52826098
It doesn't take a connosseur to realize that Bach nowadays is far more known than Handel.

>>52824544
idk much about louis armstrong but honestly they talked about him in highschool history class and he always seemed like a sell out piece of shit house nigger who played bullshit pop music for the white man. I'm not even trolling I honestly thought this, if I'm wrong can someone tell me where to start?

>african slaves
>Mozart
>The Beatles (They're shit though)
>Pink Floyd
>Metallica

>>52826126
And yet you have no sources.
Pity.

>>52825851
Country:
Jimmie Rodgers
Dock Boggs
Hank Williams
The Carter Family
Roy Acuff

>>52826029
You're right. Kanye West isn't the most influential man in hip-hop, he's the most influential artist in music all together. Every single track produced since he released his first album has been completely and utterly changed by the sonics brought by Yeezy, and he continues to do it with every new release. Musical eras can simply be defined now by when Yeezy releases new shit, since the new shit completely defined everything that comes after it, and renders everything before obsolete. I don't listen to anything released before 2004.

I'm ignorant when it comes to most genres, this is just a basic draft. If you want to help, you are cool, if not, shut up.
I have to go in 10-20 minutes, so feel free to keep with this list when I'm gone.

>Classical
Bach
Handel
Beethoven
Wagner
Debussy
John Cage
Steve Reich
Stockhausen

>Country
Jimmie Rodgers
Dock Boggs
Hank Williams
The Carter Family
Roy Acuff

>Jazz
Louis Armstrong
Charlie Parker
Ornette Coleman
Chico Hamilton
Lennie Tristano
John Coltrane
Duke Ellington
Jelly roll Morton
Scott Joplin
Miles Davis

>Soul/R&B/Funk
James Brown
Parliament/Funkadelic
Sly & The Family Stone, Aretha Franklin
Marvin Gaye
Temptations
Otis Redding.

>Rock
Chuck Berry
The Velvet Underground
The Beatles
Frank Zappa

>Punk
The Stooges
Black Flag
Sex Pistols
Joy Division

>Progressive Rock
King Crimson
Can
Magma
Henry Cow
Pink Floyd

>Metal
Black Sabbath
Watchtower
Metallica
Iron Maiden
Bathory

>Electronic
Kraftwerk
The Belleville 3
Frankie Knuckles
M Beat Ft General Levy
Underground Resistance
Phuture
AFX

>Hip Hop
Kool Herc
Afrika Bambaataa
Public Enemy
RUN-DMC
Premo

>>52826133
Cool list. Thanks!

>>52824544
you plebs don't know shit about influential musicians

>Marilyn Manson
>Fred Durst
>Kanye West
>Bam Margera
>Kurt Cobain

>>52826128
>Mozart
lmao

>>52826013
>In his correspondence with his publishers, too, Beethoven showed his constant concern with the work of J.S. Bach: On the one hand, he constantly requested copies of newly published editions, for example, a copy of the B-minor Mass, from the publishers Breitkopf and Haürtel in Leipzig, and Naügeli in Zuürich. He thanked Breitkopf and Haürtel for sending him Bach compositions, writing,
For the beautiful things of Sebastian Bach, I thank you very much indeed, I shall preserve them and study them." Beethoven welcomed the planned project for a complete edition of Bach's works, at the beginning of the Nineteenth century, as "what does my heart good, my heart which beats fully for the elevated, great art of this original father of harmony.
>At nearly the same time young Mozart, visiting the St. Thomas Church in Leipzig, upon hearing a Bach motet for the first time, exclaimed "Now there is music from which a man can learn something."
Haydn was not as influenced by Bach like Beethoven and Mozart but he was still influenced by him.
>In his old age Haydn went to great trouble to obtain a manuscript copy of the Mass in B Minor

>>52826084
Yeah and Miles affected a shitload of people. Louis Armstrong revolutionized soloing, but I'd still argue Miles is more influential having affected a wide variety of genres.

>>52826131
I have no sources because I already told you to just go to fucking Wikipedia.

Stop being retarded, Bach is an influence to almost all western music, either indirectly or directly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Sebastian_Bach#Legacy
>During the late 18th and early 19th century, Bach was recognised by several prominent composers for his keyboard work. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Ludwig van Beethoven, Frédéric Chopin, Robert Schumann, and Felix Mendelssohn were among his admirers; they began writing in a more contrapuntal style after being exposed to Bach's music. Beethoven described him as "Urvater der Harmonie", the "original father of harmony".

Bach
Beethoven
John Philip Sousa
Louis Armstrong
The Beatles

>>52826151
>still including Bach
>>52826162
>>52826170
Yes, knowledgeable composers eventually found out about him and thought "Oh, how interesting!" but he wasn't as influential as their peers or other much more well known composers.

I have to go. Have fun, /mu/!

>>52826186
This >>52826170 makes sense if you ask me. It was still influential on them, maybe not as much, but influential anyways.

>>52826151
>>Soul/R&B/Funk
>James Brown
>Parliament/Funkadelic
>Sly & The Family Stone, Aretha Franklin
>Marvin Gaye
>Temptations
>Otis Redding.

Funkadelic were just a bunch of freaks that didn't influence jackshit compared to Curtis Mayfield, Little Richard, Sam Cooke or Stevie Wonder

>>52825851
what the actual fuck is Kanye West doing in there? And no other names at all? You couldn't think of anyone else?? Your plebness-level is beyond amazing, sir. I am shocked.

>>52826153
>bam margera
You almost got me, you almost did

>>52826127
He was always more of an entertainer than an artist, especially in later years. He stopped being original later in his career, and was accused of Uncle Tom-ing. While i don't enjoy his later works, he was still influential and I think he enjoyed what he did so I'm fine with it. I would argue he's less influential than a lot of others though.

>>52826208
You're only saying that to back up your inclusion of him earlier, despite not having any facts on hand to support it.

>>52826150
>tfw livin' in the Yeezus era
Feels good, mang

>>52826186
And how do you know that? Because they used better hyperboles when talking about Handel?

Bach was famous all around Europe when he lived, his fame decayed for some time when he died, but from that moment to today he's widely regarded as one of the most important and influential composers of the classical era.

>>52826071
He wasn't more influential to Modal than his 1st quintet was. You can't give that credit to miles while taking that credit from john coltrane, red garland, bill evans and paul chambers. All of them were very important to modal. Hard Bop's main influence doesn't come from miles. And both Chet Baker and Gerry Mulligan were more important to cool jazz than miles. Miles is still a godlike musician and definitely one of the best bandleaders, but his influence is not as big as many others.

>>52826151
Some other additions to country

Bill Monroe
Lefty Frizzell
Loretta Lynn

>>52824561
Shit bait

>>52826127
listen to hot five hot seven compilation and shut the fuck up

>>52826246
>Because they used better hyperboles when talking about Handel?
"Greatest composer of all time" is pretty fucking definitive.
>Bach was famous all around Europe when he lived
*as an organist/improviser
>but from that moment
*but from his rediscovery by Mendelssohn
>he's widely regarded as one of the most important and influential composers of the classical era.
You just called Bach a classical era composer.
I think I just won the argument by default.

>>52826255
>>52826151
Actually I think Kitty Wells should be there instead of Loretta Lynn

George Jones probably deserves to be in as well.

>>52826246
>>52826273
Like fuck now I'm going to call Brahms a 12 tone composer and Ravel a Minimalist and...
just wow.
Nobody makes a mistake that stupid.

>>52826250
Regardless of not being a main influence in everything I mentioned, I would still argue that the fact that he influenced such a variety makes him more influential than those other musicians who might've influenced two subgenres at most. In terms of sheer area of music influenced I'd definitely put Miles in the top 5

Bob Dylan and Louis Armstrong are thr most influential popular musicians of the 20th century.

>>52826081
better =/= more influential.

perotin and his buddies started western harmony
buxtehude influenced bach
schaeffer was the father of electronic music and musique concrete

Beethoven
Violent Femmes
Velvet Underground
Talk Talk
My Bloody Valentine

>>52826273
>"Greatest composer of all time" is pretty fucking definitive.
Not less grandiloquent than saying "the father of harmony" or "the only man one can learn things of". There's no scale on how big an hyperbole is, and comparing them are retarded to begin with, Bach was a considerable influence in most of those composers, if he wasn't no one would feel the need to talk about him, even if Handel was as big as he was the only reason why you would put Handel in a top and not Bach is because you enjoy being a contrarian faggot.
>*as an organist/improviser
So? He was popular.
>*but from his rediscovery by Mendelssohn
Again, nothing contradicting what I said, you're just needlessly contradicting your dick.
>You just called Bach a classical era composer.
I think I just won the argument by default.
You know what I meant, and no you didn't.

>>52826331
you're just needlessly stroking your dick.*

kek

>>52824544
>Including just one classical composer, accounting for 400 years of development of music.
>Realizing fags are actually posting worse.
Even assuming a 50 % troll rate, is astounding how much of a pleb /mu is. Go back to posting your fucking meme albums (i haven´t seen your daily 10 nmh threads yet).

>bach
>influential
>getaloadofthisguy.jpg

>>52826318
>better =/= more influential.
I know.
I meant better fits. Not better composers.
>perotin and his buddies started western harmony
Yeah but I think picking Perotin is kind of like saying God is the most important person in the history of mankind.
>buxtehude influenced bach
Bach wasn't terribly influential.
>schaeffer was the father of electronic music and musique concrete
Why not Beethoven, Wagner and Debussy; the TRUE "most influential" composers who systematically shaped the development of classical music for the past 200 years?
>There's no scale on how big an hyperbole is
Oh for fuck's sake.
If a person said "The Beatles are #1" and then said "The Beach Boys made great voice harmonies" that doesn't mean he likes the fucking Beach Boys more.
He clearly thinks more of The Beatles.
>even if Handel was as big as he was the only reason why you would put Handel in a top and not Bach is because you enjoy being a contrarian faggot.
*educated music student
>So? He was popular.
*for his playing, but not his compositions.
>Again, nothing contradicting what I said
*except the part where I said that he was a huge influence immediately after his death.
>You know what I meant
You meant to establish that you have no knowledge of classical music?

>>52826301
Louis armstrong practically invented jazz. No Louis Armstrong = no emphasis on solos. While Charlie Parker made jazz improvising way more complex, especially rhythm wise. Duke Ellington is one of the most important characters for big bands, basically making it popular. Ornette Coleman was the first to record a free jazz album and Lennie Tristano is the first jazz musician ever to play in free form.

>>52826364
We saw it the first time you posted it, and then 10 times after that.

>>52826378
fuck it didn't quote you >>52826331

>>52825911
>Blind willie Johnson

My niga

>>52826391
He's not me but apparently he knows what he's talking about too.

>>52826378
you never, even once in this thread cited a source for bach not being influential. All you ever did was citing handel's influence.

>>52826378
Because "The Beatles are #1" is not a fucking hyperbole to begin with, and that wouldn't mean he doesn't have another big influence from another band, Bach was more influential to more people.
>*for his playing, but not his compositions.
>*except the part where I said that he was a huge influence immediately after his death.
Yeah, he was a huge influence and he was popular as fuck while he lived, to the point where his playing influenced his contemporaries, that's my point, what are you even saying here.

>There are people on /mu/ who don't think Bach is influential

The end of paranoid android is a chorale à la bach

checkmate plebs. still influential 300+ years later

>>52826421
*his greater influence.
>>52826429
>to the point where his playing influenced his contemporaries
Now you're just contradicting yourself.
First you asserted his compositions influenced composers AFTER HIS DEATH (not his contemporaries) but NOW you are discussing his performing?
You're falling apart.

>>52826454
>*his greater influence
you didn't even do that. The sources I provided here >>52826162 were just good as your sources. Except for haydn not being as influenced by Bach which I agree. And Bach Influenced a lot of other composers too.

>>52826454
>Now you're just contradicting yourself.
What?
He was an influence when he lived and when his works became popular again.
I never, not even once, argued that there was a period immediately after his death where his popularity decreased.

>>52826502
Just leave. You aren't fit to argue with.

Here's a top 10

Ludwig van Beethoven - inspired the romantic movement
Claude Debussy - inspired atonal music
Scott Joplin - inspired blues/jazz
Chuck Berry - inspired rock n roll
The Beatles - inspired rock and pop rock as we know them now
King Crimson - inspired the prog movement
Black Saabath - inspired heavy metal
Neu!/Kraftwerk - inspired modern electronic music
DJ Kool Herc - inspired hip hop

>>52826520
>there's only one gut calling out your pretentious retardation

Why don't you stop stroking your ego and admit that Bach is overall more influential than Handel in western music.

>>52826520
How come? because I just prove you wrong? are people that prove you wrong not fit to argue with? you are honestly hilarious. Cite an actual source that says Bach was not influential. Untill then i'm just going to assume that you started this argument just for the sake of it, meaning it never had any substance since the beginning.

>>52826527
thats only 9. add in elvis or max martin and we'll talk

>>52826548
>>52826561
Nobody has proven me wrong.
I've continually argued against people who think Bach is a classical era composer and from the FIRST PART OF MY ARGUMENT were proven wrong.
This has been a waste of my time.

>>52826602
I proved you wrong because my sources were just as vaild as yours but you seem to completely ignore it. Now, post a source that says Bach is not influential. If you can't do that, you were just wasting the time of yourself and anybody you were arguing with.

Blind Willie Johnson
Chuck Berry
Roscoe Holcomb
Washington Phillips
Son House

fuckin plebs

>>52826596
I had both Neu! and Kraftwek for popular electronic music because I think their influences on it are comparable, so it adds up to 10, and I didn't include Elvis because I wanted it to be a list of artists who invented styles, not who just made them popular. The only innovation Elvis added to rock was the twanginess of his rockabilly sound, which wasn't the main part of it that caught on with later bands. In terms of the stylistic elements Elvis inspired future rock and roll artists to adopt, they were themselves taken from black artists of the day.

>>52826612
Both Handel and Bach were influential to Beethoven, the true "most influential."
But Handel was more influential. The composers thought more of him than as a novelty.
Therefore, he affected Beethoven and others more, meaning he had a greater influential effect.

There's nothing hard to grasp. You just don't know Music History or anything about classical music.

And need to shut the fuck up.

>>52826602
>I've continually argued against people who think Bach is a classical era composer
why waste your time arguing with people who have no idea what they're talking about?

they obviously meant "classical" as in "western art music" and not classical period (1750-1820ish)

>>52826644
I'm seeinng no sources here, just you repeating what you said in previous posts and name calling me.

>>52826639
Max Martin though.

every successful pop song since the 90s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzRup5YFf8Y

the guys a hits machine

>>52826651
>why waste your time arguing with people who have no idea what they're talking about?
idk really. I have a problem with it.
>they obviously meant "classical" as in "western art music" and not classical period (1750-1820ish)
going back to it I read:
>he's widely regarded as one of the most important and influential composers of the classical era.
wishful thinking on your behalf but sadly no. they were that ignorant

>>52826665
>just you repeating what you said in previous posts
Yeah.
Because I've already proven you wrong.
As I wrote above.
As has been proven by the sources I've already provided.
>and name calling me.
Well-justified namecalling might I add

>>52826602
I quoted the Wikipedia page of Bach posts before I wrote that.

Do you think that if I didn't knew Bach wasn't from the Classical era, I wouldn't just go to the page, read the first line and get his period? I meant classical music.

You're just grasping at straws because in the whole thread the only thing you've only provided a valid argumentation of is that Handel was an important influence to some composers, something that absolutely no one argues with.

>>52826676
On /mu/ everyone who says classical means Western Art Music, never the period unless specifically defined in their post.

>>52826689
>something that absolutely no one argues with.
What's your background in music education?

>>52826714
You know how pathetic this whole post is, right?

>>52826685
Your sources were just as good as mine. I can probably even post more sources of more composers's bach influence. You sources only proves that Handel influenced them, just like my sources. But you have no sources that says Bach is not influential, which is very interesting that you simply ignore to see this request i'm asking for in literally every post i'm making. Post sources or i'll know you were just pretending to know what you're talking about.

>>52826689
>>52826714
Sorry misinterpreted the comment.
Regardless I am still curious

What is your background in music

>>52826734
Handel's influence was greater as he was seen in higher esteem and more well known.
Therefore, he was more influential.

Literally every hard rock band was influenced by Led Zeppelin. Some early metal bands, and also shitload of other musicians too.

>>52826749
>still no sources
this is where the argument ends. I already wasted too much of my time arguing with you when I could've just play bach instead.

>>52826795
>ignoring the sources I posted earlier
What is your background in music

>>52826806
Your sources state that Handel was an influence.
You're just assuming he was more influential overall because one particular composer used a particularly crazy hyperbole about him, not even that special compared to the ones also thrown at Bach, you know, the one known as father of music.

>>52826863
What is your background in music?

>>52826876
doctorate in shitposting

>>52826876
>What is your background in music?
What is your background in music

>>52826916
I've already said I'm a music student at the university level.
Now you.

>>52826960
Well would you look at that, I'm also a music student at the university level :^)

>>52827014
Oh I'm suuuuuuure you are fraud

Now I'm not well-versed in Classical at all but wouldn't Pachabel be considered extremely influential if not just for Canon in D's influence on pop music?

Aphex Twin
Jimi Hendrix
Black Sabbath
King Crimson
Beethoven

Bowie
Bowie
Bowie
Bowie
Bowie

>>52827152
The Canon in D progression isn't really a Pachelbel invention. It's a Descending Thirds sequence with a IV V at the end.

>>52827205
how is bowie influential?