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52525892 No.52525892 [Reply] [Original]

anyone know any gregorian chant-like music that has a somber, contemplative, possibly dark vibe to it? most of the stuff i hear is kind of uplifting, which is great, but that kind of music i know is capable of sounding really really good when it tries to be downer instead of upper

this is the only piece i know of that fits my description:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbxnnC22gwY

>> No.52525936
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52525936

>>52525892

>> No.52526039

>>52525936
not bad...seems like its tough to find a place to download that though. i found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_Q_5G5LMS0 on youtube but i have no idea if its on that album

>> No.52526258

>>52525936
>Gesualdo's Tenebrae responsories
>Gregorian chant

Pick one.

>> No.52526298

>>52526258
suggest something then

>> No.52526343

>>52526258
of course it isn't gregorian chant, but I figured OP wasn't looking for that specifically.

>>52526039
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3JwLnK6Efw

>> No.52526408

>>52526343
You recommended something not remotely similar.

>> No.52526422

This is very relevant to my interests as well.

Something like Gesualdo is kind of what I'm looking for.

>> No.52526424

>>52526343
not dark enough for me. maybe my expectations are inflated from the arvo part in the op, which is the most powerful piece of music ever composed btw

>> No.52526435

Check out Ars Antiqua era medieval chant. Aka anything before ~1250CE. It's a lot more minimal, and much darker given that the general sentiment of spirituality was less 'God is benevolent and loving' and more 'God is angry and strict'. Hildegard von Bingen and Leonin in particular hit that dark chant vibe well. I can post some uploads if you want it

>> No.52526501

>>52526435
please do

>> No.52526547

>>52526408
>gregorian chant-like music that hsa a somber, contemplative, possibly dark vibe

okay friend. at least miserere from that recording absolutely fits that vague description. if it doesn't work for him fine, but I offered something.

>>52526422
Ockeghem, Palestrina, Machaut, and Couperin maybe?

>> No.52526606

>>52526547
>Ockeghem, Palestrina, Machaut, and Couperin
>like Gesualdo

I hate that this board is full of teenagers who think all pre-Baroque music sounds the same.

>> No.52526623

>>52526547
Thanks, I'll look into those.

I should check out the 12th-13th century stuff too. Something about chant is so moving.

>> No.52526649

>>52526606
>something like Gesualdo is kind of what I'm looking for

>sounds the same
I recommended a few composers vaguely similar, and he can look deeper from there. I didn't imply that they sounded the same. you are simply seeing what you wish to see in those posts.

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>>52526606

>> No.52526682

>>52526668
FUCKIN EPIC MEME HAHAHA

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>>52526501
Hildegard von Bingen - The Origin of Fire
>early medieval plainchant from ~1150 from the world's qtiest German polymath mystic composer codebreaker visionary alchemist nun
https://mega.co.nz/#!x55AWBRK!98Oen5o3y2ZqoLKjO1umzRSmplKfP93bbSBxyQJ77MY

>> No.52526697

>>52526649
None of those composers sound REMOTELY similar to Gesualdo. It's like if you recommended Mahler to someone who wanted music similar to Bach.

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52526831

>>52526691
Léonin - Magister Leoninus 1
>some of the earliest recorded plainchant from the infamous and anonymous Magister Leonin of the Notre Dame School of Polyphony in the early 12th century
>essential repentance-core
https://mega.co.nz/#!k0IABS4R!1Ci0gLVVS_9osGlIJUcIq6PkYfIgUdOVr0iNUe0sIDU

Also couldn't forget Barber's Agnus Dei Op. 11. One of the most broody and emotional chants every written
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20e2K0TUdi4

>> No.52526875

>>52526697
the difference isn't that radical, slow down anon. sorry for being productive and throwing a few names out for someone who hasn't heard much of this music to start with.

>> No.52526933

>>52526875
>the difference isn't that radical
This is what ignorant people actually believe.

>> No.52526951

>>52526933
great post, happy new year anon.

>> No.52527001

>>52526831
>>52526831
>repentance-core

thanks for those anon

and holy fuck that barber!!!!!!

>> No.52527039

>>52526831
>Barber's Agnus Dei Op. 11
>a chant

Pick one. You're as bad as >>52526951

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>>52526831
Hildegard von Bingen - Ordo Virtutum
>dark, manic, frantic, and downright insane plainchant from 1151
>the very first and only surviving medieval morality play by over a century
>sounds like outtakes off of Aphrodite's Child's 666
>ahead of its time by over a millennium
https://mega.co.nz/#!8tYHlbRa!9T0zxnZ2DtDpePc48YTUlpVEvi4rjHMCMEySZ-tMIss

>> No.52527134

This is pretty cool.

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>>52527039
Sorry anon, I'll pay more attention next time I'm posting on my favorite Babylonian fire-swallowing board. I think OP's looking for general choral music anyway

Pérotin - Pérotin
>student of Leonin and most renown composer of the Nostre Dame School of Polyphony
>played a huge role in the shift to ars nova
>contemplative medieval plainchant
https://mega.co.nz/#!S8QUWbJQ!QghttyHkA1n7oD7z6-nLZj5eXJtV1M2IqGiUs9S1Iss

>> No.52527237

>>52527200
>I think OP's looking for general choral music anyway
Oh okay, I'll post some too then.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3_0Pky8vVg

Yup this sounds a lot like Gesualdo's chants too.

>> No.52527242

>>52527200
"the file is no longer available"

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>>52525936
>>52526831
>>52527200
Gee, I wonder where I've seen these before.

>> No.52527271

>>52527237
why r u taking this shit so serious

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52527369

>>52527237
simply eric my friend
>>52527264
Actually not from there. I upped most of this stuff in the old Ancient Music General threads. The
>>52527242
Oops, my bad. Here's a fresh upload

Pérotin - Pérotin
https://mega.co.nz/#!BsoUVbJI!cfTbKnEZDc_bGhlbFU87T2sQuNEYFrjwa7NUUKB2O-0

>> No.52527410

>>52527369
>Actually not from there
I'll bet.

>> No.52527505
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>>52527410
Yup. Originally got most of it from
http://www.naxos.com/NWperiodlist.asp?period=Medieval&p_id=A
http://www.naxos.com/nwperiodlist.asp?p_id=&period=Renaissance
Actually a pretty solid catalog of essentials if anyone is looking to get into Medieval and Renaissance choral music in general. If you're going for a chart this one has a better classical section anyway

>> No.52527520

>>52526691
YO this shit is fucking strange... sounds like the lady is having an orgasm at some parts. can't imagine how this went back in1150

>> No.52527551

>>52527200
>played a huge role in the shift to ars nova
That's wrong, you fucking retard.

>> No.52527665

>>52527551
yeah I think he means ars antiqua

>> No.52527730

>>52527520
Give Ordo Virtutum a listen if you want even stranger and more sexually suggestive music from her. Imo Hildy might be the most ahead of her time musician in history. She also invented multiple languages, was a skilled healer, codebreaker, alchemist, theologist, and scholar, received crazy psychedelic 'visions' from God since she was a kid, all while being a nun in one of the most oppressive times in European history. She was also p. qt
>>52527551
How? Perotin was one of the very first composers to deviate from monophonic plainchant and played an important role in expanding beyond the independent style of polyphony that gained popularity in his time. And did so some 50-100 years before everyone else. Why are you so angry anyway, anon?

>> No.52527787

>>52527730
shit i meant ordo virtutum not origin of fire. quoted the wrong thing. but yeah that shit is out there now, must have been fuckin weird back then (unless those times were fuckin weird on their own)

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52527807

>>52527665
Oh, I did. Forgive the sloppy posting, I'm pretty out of it

Josquin des Prez - Motets
>one of the most contemplative and minimal collections of Josquin's compositions
https://mega.co.nz/#!BxwnTaQK!slKjBs77RWSK4kN8pyOcyebLDTvDaaeDRZ8tMlU28ZY

>> No.52527824

>>52527665
Also wrong.

>>52527730
You don't appear to understand what characterized the music of the ars nova. Which, for your information, didn't appear until approximately 80 years after "Pérotin's" death. You would know this if you'd ever read a history book instead of cribbing music off of tripfag charts and record label playlists.

>> No.52527841

>>52527787
>feudalism
>random plagues
>constant wars

>> No.52527986

>>52527237
>Is this much of a faggot over minor stylistic differences.
>will probably go on to ask whom I'm quoting

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52528095

>>52527824
I think you need to give >>52527045 a listen and read to rekindle your morality anon. You're awfully upset over your own misconceived notions. Maybe share some music to 'school' us and contribute to the thread too.

Guillaume Dufay - Resvellies Vous Ave Regina Coelorum
>surprisingly calming masses and secular instrumental compositions from the early 15th century
https://mega.co.nz/#!s9Y1WQjK!E-vLGaNnt8O5vs5l02vf1TtC7Ga8guf1fmcYjHhq6oo

Last one for now. I can up more later if anyone wants

>> No.52528121

someone share something dissonant

>> No.52528221

>>52528121
If you want highly dissonant choral pieces, you gotta go to the 20th C:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWqxPp6SvMw

all the pieces posted so far contain some levels of dissonance, just not the grating uber-dissonance I think you're after

>> No.52528241

>>52528221
i didn't mean quite that dissonant, i meant dissonant like the piece in the op

>> No.52528288

>>52528241
maybe try some Whitacre?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rak_rJLG49k

what you're after isn't dissonance, but close harmonies. all pieces have consonance and dissonance in similar measure

>> No.52528341

>>52527986
>minor stylistic differences
This is what ignorant people actually believe.

>>52528095
>misconceived notions
You mean like thinking Pérotin had anything to do with the ars nova?

>> No.52528366

>>52528288
>what you're after isn't dissonance, but close harmonies
no i mean like c and c# being sung at the same time type shit. maybe in different octaves would be nice. like the piece in the op as i said. i know all the pieces posted have dissonance in them to some extent but i want it heavy and in the foreground

>> No.52528370

>>52528341
>called out for being an autistic faggot contributing nothing to the thread
>does nothing to rectify the situation

>> No.52528404

>>52528370
>called out for displaying ignorance
>"Y-you have autism!"

>> No.52528441

>>52528366
>like c and c# being sung at the same time type shit
that is essentially close harmony. but there is a specific technique that uses notes a semitone apart, "false relations" notably used in the coventry carol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jIYyPOoEc8
(on the word "by")

>> No.52528446

>>52528341
if you read the thread you will see that (s)he said (s)he meant ars antiqua. no idea what those mean personally. for real why are you so upset about this shit?

>> No.52528460

>>52525892
Look into Byzantine Chant, it's often kinda dark.

>> No.52528478

>>52528341
>You mean like thinking Pérotin had anything to do with the ars nova?
See >>52527807
>I think he means ars antiqua
>Oh, I did
You just proved my point about those misconceived notions, anon ;^). How about actually posting some music instead of just trying and failing to flaunt your e-peen?

>> No.52528553

>>52528446
>>52528478
That's also incorrect, as the ars antigua was already well underway by the time Pérotin began composing. If you're going to insist on tripping, please refrain from referring to terminology you don't understand.

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>>52528460
You just reminded me of the perfect dissonant sacred music album. Good rec

Aporea - Na Rekah Vavilonskih
>Macedonian orthodox, industrial church bells and chimes with Gregorian chant hymns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywrUU3HdK2U
https://mega.co.nz/#!CERmgLII!aF1pMjiPYzuS8g0U1g5YiAu6UVNQM9yXiHSB2Myd3Ig

>> No.52528603

>>52528366
try these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esvdSie_H4c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_gm0j1H1kc

>> No.52528605

>>52528553
the only one trippin is you dude

>> No.52528692

>>52528553
Care to back that up?

"Ars antiqua, also called ars veterum or ars vetus, refers to the music of Europe of the late Middle Ages between approximately 1170, and 1310, covering the period of the Notre Dame school of polyphony, and the subsequent years which saw the early development of the motet."

"Pérotin (fl. c. 1200), also called Perotin the Great, was a European composer, believed to be French, who lived around the end of the 12th and beginning of the 13th century. He was the most famous member of the Notre Dame school of polyphony and the ars antiqua style."

Both accounts of Perotin and Leonin come from a single very dubious source. A single student at Notre Dame. The estimates of their lifespans are very vague, and it's entirely likely that Perotin was composing in the middle of the 12th century. In fact, the accounts I've seen date the majority of both Perotin and Leonin's work between 1130-1150. Quite a way before ars antiqua even began shaping. And even at the latest estimates of the first decade of the 13th century still puts him in the middle of ars antiqua, meaning that he would still have significant contributions to it.

But even without those estimates, find me a composer before Leonin and Perotin that was moving toward actual polyphony.

>> No.52528701

>>52528460
yea this shit is good

>> No.52528791

>>52528692
>played a huge role in the shift to ars nova [oops, you actually meant antigua]
>didn't begin composing until decades after the ars antigua had been established as a style

Either you don't know what a shift is, or your Wikipedia fu is failing you.

>> No.52528931

>>52528791
>between approximately 1170, and 1310
>the majority of both Perotin and Leonin's work between 1130-1150
>decades after the ars antigua had been established as a style
I don't think you understand what those dates refer to. The liner notes in Helios' collections of their compositions are more comprehensive than their wiki pages. They're in those 2 I uploaded if you want to take a look

>> No.52529002

>>52528692
>the accounts I've seen date the majority of both Perotin and Leonin's work between 1130-1150
You should read more accounts. Start with Eudes de Sully's.

>> No.52529201

>>52529002
See, if you did actually read it, you'd know the only thing he actually establishes is a date before his death, which is established only through compiled works. The only accurate account (as inaccurate as accounts are) is from Anonymous IV. I suggest Luther Dittmer's translation. The majority of it deals with theory but there are some established dates in it.

But regardless, its almost midnight on NYE, so I'm out. I hope whatever is making you so upset gets better, anon.

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