Let me start with this contribution
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwWZaOsD6Y4
>untalented
>>52403848this thread is gonna be good
>>52403848Let's see your 300 album discography on multiple labels then
this cunt
merzbow is probably better than your favorite artist
>>52403874>300 albums of droning dogshitwow it's fucking nothing
>>52403877Philip Best dwarfs this guy so hard, even as a vocalist
>>52403891>droning dogshitThat sounds like your favorite band!
>>52403877He was actually a virtuoso guitarist before starting Whitehouse.
protip: calling an established artist a hack is never productive and only ever makes you look like an idiot
>>52403848>all those wires>nothing connected to any of the mixer's outputsKek
>>52404097I don't think you're looking at the main outs.
>>52404097>I'm literally retarded
>>52404115Main outs are the XLR smart guy.
David Bowie: Hack Wrangler
>>52404187>sometimes I feel so happy>sometimes I feel so sadReed was a lyrical shortbus
>>52404153>implying there are no other main output jacks>like the 1/4" jacks on the top right of the mixer>which are clearly being used
>>52404214shut the fuck up
>>52404231>using 1/4 unbalanced when you have balanced xlr
the original
>>52404260>implying that's necessary for line level signals>implying they're not balanced TRS jacks>>52404289can't have a proper pleb thread without dissing Cage
>>52404289this guys a joke in the patrician scene
>>52404392Why is his hat so spooky
>>52404289>>52403848>tfw newfriends will never realize that these are just memes and then forever stay close-minded
>>52403938>my boy gogh>not a fucking godget the fuck out of here bro
>>52404473I think the point of these threads is just to be retarded, i.e. everyone I don't like or understand is a hack and I'm the only one who sees through the pretentious bullshit.
>>52404575the new ones don't understand that, though. it's unhealthy!
>>52403937Nicely done, anon! You got him good!
>>52404577>posting seriously in a joke thread
>>524045974chan culture as a whole is unhealthy.
>>52404097>>52404115>>52404153>>52404231>>52404260>>52404358I dunno why but this had me dying
>>52403874Quantity =/= QualityNoise isn't music.
>>52404929All music is noise
>>52404929fucking word, FINALLY someone who just GETS it, noise isn't MUSIC, it's JUST SOUND?!?!
>>52404948That doesn't make noise music.All of x is y does not mean all of y is x.
>>52404967i know what you're trying to say, but it doesn't work in this case. because Music > Noise
>>52404990You're right music is better than noise.It takes talent to make music, it does not take talent to make noise.
>>52403848Deaths gripsTalking HeadsAnything metal.Discuss.>>>52403944
>>52405001fucken love the biebs bruh ;)
>>52404948No, all sound is noise. Good music requires sound to be organized and composed for it to have any value
>>52405001I take it you only listen to Victor Wooten and Yngwie Malmsteen
Anyone else noticed how anti-noise people are never /classical/bros?I think that's pretty funny.
>>52405011I'd respect someone picking up an instrument and producing an absolutely trash 4/4 formulaic song devoid of any musical or lyrical meaning over some pretentious portland cunt with no regard for what music actually is.Also, see >>52405015
>>52405036yeah bruh ;)
>>52405029Ad Hominem, I listen to classical on a regular basis.Noise is immature.
>>52405036what's ur favourite band bruh?who's yr favourite composer bruh?what's you're fav experimental music act bruv?
>>52405048>I have no arguments so I feel the need to shitpost because I can't defend the obnoxious sounds I listen to for fashion.
>>52405059mozart and zimmer don't count
>>52405089roflmao, you can't argue with some fucking clown who says something that clearly is music isn't.
>>52405015See, that's where your argument falls apart. Who are you to decide what sound has value? Is anybody actually qualified?i.e. art is subjective.
>>52405071>Favorite bandPopol Vuh or Devo>Favorite composerPhillip Glass, Hildegard Von Bingen, and Schoenberg >Favorite experimental actThe Residents.>>52405104A bit off the mark there >Vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) combined in such a way as to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion
Steve Vai is the greatest musician of all time because he plays guitar and doesn't press buttons to make robotic farts
>>52405128>The insane clown posse and merzbow have the same artistic and aesthetic value as classical music.
>>52405089>implying you ever made a substantial argument that warrants serious consideration and a well thought out rebuttal
>>52405146>noise isn't beautiful>noise doesn't have harmony>noise can't express emotionOh, ok.
>>52405170Pressing buttons is fine as long as you're making music with synths/samplers etc.Don't make up arguments for others
>>52405176Yes, and?
>>52405194Provide an example proving the contrary.>>52405191>Ur argument is bad so I shouldn't have to respondNoise fans, everyone.
>>52405176explain to me how they don't.
>>52405195Sun Kil Moon - Suck My Cock ;)
>>52405205That's wrong you fucking imbecile. People with musical passion spend their lives learning theory and composing while
>>52405211>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlGh_okr5nIsent ;)
>>52405228>That's wrong you fucking imbecile. see>>52405213
>>52405146>beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotionSounds like a boring definition of music
>>52405228Autopost, >People with musical passion spend their lives learning theory and composing while some hack with a noise machine gets avant garde praise from this board for shitting out pretentious garbage.>>52405213ICP and Merzbow are both devoid of any artistic or compositional value while the vast majority of critically acclaimed classical music (the most menial, entry level part of it) took more talent to compose than either of those artists will ever possess.
>>52405253lucky for us, it's not the real definition :)
>>52405176This is a total dead end. You can't make a useful argument for objective value. You can't dismiss a genre solely by criticizing its practitioners. Come up with a real argument.
>>52405253Well, it's the Oxford dictionary definition of music, if you ever decide to stop demanding instantaneous gratification in music then feel free to take a vested interest in it.
>>52405270>ICP and Merzbow are both devoid of any artistic or compositional value while the vast majority of critically acclaimed classical music (the most menial, entry level part of it) took more talent to compose than either of those artists will ever possess.[citation needed]>talentthere's that word again.
>>52405228Face it, anon. Noise music is just 2deep4u.Also considering you haven't even defined artistic value in your own words your argument is pointless. Now you could have an open mind and embrace music that isn't typical, that isn't bound by the classical traditions, that experiments, or you could not and just listen to Beethoven or whatever you listen to. That's fine, but please don't talk about noise if you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about :^)
>>52405295>Well, it's the Oxford dictionary definition of musici am literally dying.
>>52405211>posts bullshit>expects to be taken seriouslyAutists, everyone.
>>52404187>what is Metal Machine Music>what is Berlin
>>52403938No.
>>52405291I already have. Noise lacks compositional and aesthetic value because it is one of the most disingenuous genres to ever exist.It attempts to be avant garde but ends up being a patronizing jumble of pretentious garbage.Noise isn't music and it isn't art.
>>52405324>Noise lacks compositional and aestheticit most certaintly doesn't.
>>52404929Noise isn't music, yes, but that doesn't mean there isn't a basis for talent.
listen now bitches!!!!!!! https://soundcloud.com/ivxxthecollective
>>52405270Once again, these are just stupid, baseless, unjustified assertions.>my opinion is correct because it's true and that's my opinion
>>52405324>Noise isn't music and it isn't artok, this is officially a troll thread
>>52405295Joke's on you, delaying gratification is actually my favorite thing
>>52403951What a strange choice.
>>52403888>this uncheked trips
>>52405299>Citation neededShow me>>52405304Artistic value is the intellectual, aesthetic, and compositional value of music.Noise lacks all three.>>52405337Show me noise that is transcribed onto sheet music and evokes the same emotion as classical music and I'll change my mind.>>52405358>le trick trap meme
>>52405411>this entire postwhat is going ooooooooooooooon
>>52405411How many logical fallacies and examples of circular reasoning can you possibly fit into one post? Nice doubles though.
>>52403891>wow it's fucking nothingYeah, a whole lot of nothing that you didn't make. It's easy to trash artists, but guess what, they made it and you didn't. He's famous and you're not. He's made a name for himself out of "nothing"
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I wonder where I went so wrong in life that led me to end up posting on here
>>52405411>Show meroflmao>Show me noise that is transcribed onto sheet musichow does that matter?>and evokes the same emotion as classical musicWaaait a minute, aren't those one of those subjective things? :))>Artistic value is the intellectual, aesthetic, and compositional value of music.i am dying
>>52405454my nigga
>>52405438I should ask you the same thing.>>52405443>They made it and you didn'tHe made a lot of garbage and I didn't. Wow, enlightening stuff.>He's famous and you're notSo is every shithead making awful music on the radio, I'm happier playing music by myself than being a talentless hack who gets acclaim for nothing.
I'd like some noise that doesn't sound like a color of noise. Power noise is close but sounds too often like some kind of gabber.
>>52405502a bitter 17 year old boy, ladies and gentlemen.
>>52405515be more specific
>>52405487>roflmaoNice argument>How does that matterYou're the one saying noise is art and music, art music is transcribed onto paper.>Aren't those one of those subjective thingsSure, why not, but noise still can't live up to art music on any other front.>I'm dyingI'm dying.>>52405520When I was 17 I thought noise was valuable, avant-garde, and artistic.I knew fuck all about music.
>>52405532Noise without crackling. Preferably with some musical structure.
>NOISE ISN'T MUSIC, THEREFORE THERE ISN'T TALENT INVOLVEDHahahaha what?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHksWF5R0Qk
>>52405548>show meyou too :)>art music is transcribed onto paperyou're wrong.>I knew fuck all about music.you still do it seems>>52405550have you checked out kazumoto endo?
>>52404577this, I just came to this thread to post this talentless fuck
>>52405548>When I was 17 but you still are, anon
>>52405567>>52405578Kazumoto Endo-mind
WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH they like something I don't like wahhhhhhhhhhhh
>>52405560The Weeknd isn't that bad, he just attracts the kind of people that go "I don't like R&B but..."
Post your face when someone says that you need talent to make music.
>>52405578Checking out >>52405567, good but still too piercing.This is the closest to my liking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKUJ8G-8JfYI play when I go to sleep.
>>52405628
>>52405443I can make 300 albums from the sounds of my bowel movements and I can get really experimental and take some laxative and shit on the mic for my last album, I bet you'll find the meaning in my albums
>>52405631https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emhcyZgZdKktry some keiji, or go for some lighter stuff like Tim Hecker or Ben Frost , or straight up go for drone.
>>52405613that is not the weeknd that is jean-Michel Basquiat
>>52405681>autism
>>52405689>autism
Is there something wrong with me? I normally dislike noise AND black metal, but I fucking love blackened noise.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKMycotZ_90
>>52405670The results of poor schooling
>>52405670Yeah, that's a pretty huge part about art as a whole though, congratulations i guess.
>>52405578>you're wrongNo, I'm not wrong. You're getting pop music and art music confused>you still do it seemsQuality rebuttle>>52405628>yeah man you don't need talent or knowledge>music theory just weighs me down maaaan
>>52405721>No, I'm not wrong.oh sorry, you just convinced me :)
>>52405721You don't need to know music theory or have talent to create music people will enjoy.
>>52405628>>52405628
>>52405721>yeah man you don't need talent or knowledgewhy are you putting words in my mouth?
>>52403848i contribute
>>52403848>I do not understand Akita's music.
>>52405313Those are musical releases anon
>>52403848Pretty much all the KikesWagner Was Righthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkfGEqo3YjQ
>>52405700This is nuts
>>52405743I think I cracked my boner in half
>>52404577lol he looks like a turd
>>524042601/4 inch jacks can be and often are balanced. Look up TRS.
>>52405822
>>52405740People will enjoy shit music, that doesn't make it good.Listen to noise all you want, I don't really give a shit. I'm just here to inform you that it isn't music>>52405733It's just as good of an argument as 'you're wrong'>>52405756I was quoting the moron who said making music doesn't require talent.>>52405567That was awful.
>>52405868>I'm just here to inform you that it isn't musicbut why tho, why isn't it music?considering that if you knew anything about music that it doesn't really have a real definition.
>>52405860did her skelington popped out?
>>52405868What puts you in the place to decide what is, and what isn't music? Also, the dictionary definition of music is bogus.
MC RideKanye West
>>52405904
>>52405868>I was quoting the moron who said making music doesn't require talent.but it doesn't.and you weren't quoting, you said that you don't need knowledge, which is in many ways wrong. and you also said that music theory will weigh you down, which is also wrong.again, why are you putting words in my mouth?
>>52405921wait a sec was he was the skelton?
>>52405912who would win?I think MC Ride would completely destroy kanye in a cage fight.
>>52405908The dictionary definition of music is correct. Continue listening to noise if you'd like, I'm here to tell you that it isn't music.>>52405929Show me a classical piece that took no talent to compose.Popular music doesn't necessarily take talent but it does require creativity, a trait which noise lacks.
>>52406039Music is incredibly broad to be bound to a specific definition. Nice try.
>>52404187You can't tell me why Lou Reed is a hack.That's because it's a /mu/ meme and you're a shit poster.>>52404225has to be b8
>>52406062Music isn't some all-inclusive collection of all the sounds in the world. The definition isn't as broad as you think.
>>52406039>The dictionary definition of music is correct[citation needed]"What is music?" is in many ways a philosophical question, and is not defined as easily as the dictionary will have you believe, regardless of how vague the dictionary is.Even established writers and scholars of music disagree about what the definition should be, and how you should judge music. But they are all pretty much in agreement that everything that produces (or don't: see cage) a sound and is presented as music, is music.
>>52406039>noise lacks creativity Have you bothered exploring the genre? >>52406089>Music isn't some all-inclusive collection of all the sounds in the world.Nobody even hinted at that. It's obvious you haven't bothered exploring the noise genre, thus you must base your assumptions on the genre off of entry-level noise and very biased, uneducated opinions about a genre you know next to nothing about.
>>52406039what makes you think that you wouldn't be able to compose a classical piece, do you have an inferiority complex or something?
>>52406039>Popular music doesn't necessarily take talent but it does require creativity, a trait which noise lacks.stupidest thing i've read all day
>>52404289>>52404358I'm always disappointed that everyone shits on Cage because of 4'33. His other compositions are way ahead of his time.
>>52406187so was 4'33.
>>52405443he's still untalented trash though
>>52406172Why are you so mad that your shit noise is not music, its just noise kid dont be mad
>>52406208>its just noiseit literally isn't.
>>52406115>[citation needed]I've provided you with the dictionary definition of music. Stop trying to define things via your own definition.>>52406123>It's obvious you haven't bothered exploring the noise genreI've listened to every example posted here and they're all shit.>Have you bothered exploring the genreGive me one reason why I should explore it.>>52406144That's called a joke, anon.>>52406172What makes noise creative anon?
>>52406224Why call it noise if it's something more than noise?
>>52406225>I've provided you with the dictionary definition of music. Stop trying to define things via your own definition.you're a fucking joke, i'm out
>>52406247Because poor reading comprehension
>>52406225>Give me one reason why I should explore it.Because you have no position to criticize ANY genre that you haven't a proper foothold in yet.You just admitted you barely listen to noise, thus noise fans can't, and won't take you as seriously because you obviously don't know what you're talking about.If you explored the genre, you can name hundreds of artists besides entry-level to prove your point that noise, for whatever reason, isn't music.
>>52406247Why call it rock when they're not banging rocks against eachother?
>>52406252>I'm allowed to make up my own definitions for things because I don't like the actual definitionsYou're a fucking joke.
>>52406274Because it would be called noise if they did that
>>52406247why call it rock if it's not a rock? why call it blues if it isn't blue? why call it pop if you can't drink it?
>>52406274Rock isn't a descriptor of the genre.
>>52406302>>52406274Fasle equivalency-mind
>>52406307in many ways, neither is noise.
>>52406307where are u hopying to go with this pal
>>52406302Blues defines the sad state of mind that the genre hasPop is short for Popular music, music that is popularRock is shit so you want to bash your head with a rock when you hear itNoise is noise
>>52406340>Pop is short for Popular music, music that is popularlllmao
>>52406334So noise is just an arbitrary name then?What would you call it?
>>52406367probably because it sounds a bit like static noise, but it isn't.
>>52406307Noise isn't a descriptor of noise. There's plenty of noise musicians who incorporate structure to their music.>>52406340Pop doesn't necessarily mean popular music, there's plenty of unpopular musicians under the pop category. >>52406367A lot of genres have arbitrary names. I'd call it noise because that's what everybody else calls it.
>>52406272I love how anti-noise guy hasn't responded to this yet.
>>52406272>If I explored the genreWhy would I?>You can name hundreds of artists besides entry level to prove your point that noise, for whatever reason, isn't music.Why should I spend my time listening to a shitty, pretentious genre just to criticize it. No one has yet provided me one decent example of noise that is artistic, beautiful, or complex.
>>52406517but you just said you listened to classical music :^)
>>52406383Why would you ever listen to something that sounds like static noise?>>52406386>Pop doesn't necessarily mean popular music, there's plenty of unpopular musicians under the pop categoryBefore indie-pop existed, pop was a descriptor of popular music.>Noise isn't a descriptor of noise. There's plenty of noise musicians who incorporate structure to their musicOkay, they can use time signatures. That doesn't qualify them as artists.>A lot of genres have arbitrary names. I'd call it noise because that's what everybody else calls it.What if everyone didn't call it that, what would you call it?
>>52406553What are you on about? Are you calling classical pretentious?Jesus christ, this is a new low, even for noise fans.
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>>52406583>Why would you ever listen to something that sounds like static noise?it does to the common man, i should have said.but static noise is comfy.
>>52406602if you think noise is pretentious, classical is definitely pretentious.i refuse to believe that you call noise pretentious and not music, but you're completely fine with new complexity.
>>52406517Did you even read my post? You can't call a genre shit until you actually understand the genre. >>52406583>Before indie-pop existed, pop was a descriptor of popular music.Not really.>Okay, they can use time signatures. That doesn't qualify them as artists.Explain why not, please.>What if everyone didn't call it that, what would you call it?It's difficult to make up a different name for an already existing genre.
>>52406602It's an established fact that if you listen to any kind of classical music from any era, you're a pretentious snob
>>52405411>Show me noise that is transcribed onto sheet music and evokes the same emotion as classical music and I'll change my mind.http://www.dust-digital.com/feaster/
>>52406687I know noise fans hate the dictionary with a bitter passion, but here's another definition.> Pretentious: Attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed.Classical has importance, talent, and culture. Not speaking for the entire genre, just the foundational composers of genres. Classical can be pretentious but the vast majority of it isn't. >>52406672>The common manHoly fucking shit.
>>52406708>Did you even read my post?he literally only reads the first 3 words.
>>52406756>The common manas in all the people who go "how can you even tell the difference between the songs?"heh, kind of like you :)
>>52406756>Classical has importance, talent, and culture. Not speaking for the entire genre, just the foundational composers of genresword, there has never ever in the history of time ever been a classical composer that made bad music, wasn't talented, bombed and went under the radar big time.
>>52406708>You can't call a genre shit until you actually understand the genre. I do understand the genre though.>>52406708>Explain why not, pleaseBecause making a 4/4 drum beat and layering sound over it isn't art. It's as pretentious as smearing paint on a canvas in the 21st century.>It's difficult to make up a different name for an already existing genreThen just describe it.>>52406730That's a visual representation of the sound itself. You can't play that on an instrument. Which key is it in? What's the time signature?
>>52406820>I do understand the genre though.>"Noise isn't music!">"It's super pretentious!!"Yeah, byou CLEARLY don't, though
This is why anonymous posting is the cancer killing /mu/.
>>52406801I can tell the difference between noise pieces like I can tell the difference between piles of horse manure.Fuck off with this shit argument.>>52406818Did you take the time to read the sentence directly after that or did you just get excited that I might have spoken in absolutes about classical.>>52406839Noise is a childish, attention starved attempt to be different without having to think about it. Noise is anti-music.
>>52406820>It's as pretentious as smearing paint on a canvas in the 21st centuryso not pretentious at all, then?>Which key is it in? What's the time signature?if you know anything about classical music, this shouldn't be so hard for you yourself to answer.
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>>52405700my fucking negro
>>52406853>Noise is anti-musicoh so it is music now? glad we finally agree.
>>52403938yeah fuck van gogh
>>52406859IT IS!
>>52406855>so not pretentious at all, then?It's been done, it's over. It was creative the first time, it's not anymore. It's pretentious because it tries to be something it's not.>if you know anything about classical music, this shouldn't be so hard for you yourself to answer.It wasn't noise, it was sound.
>>52406820If you haven't explored the genre in depth outside of a few entry-level artists, you know nothing about the thenre>Because making a 4/4 drum beat and layering sound over it isn't art. It's as pretentious as smearing paint on a canvas in the 21st century.If you're retarded enough to define music by it's dictionary definition, I'll stoop to your level of stupidity and use the dictionary definition of art. "The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination."It doesn't say if you need a specific amount of creative skill, or imagination at all. A Kindergarten painting is art.Noise isn't music, it's a form of anti-music. It's sonic art, but it isn't music.
>>52406873calling it>>52406916 anti music doesn't make it music.
>>52406916genre* not thenre.I'm tired.
Yes, noise IS music. It's just pop music guys, I really don't get this discussion smh
>>52406932Doublepost again.>>52406916>A Kindergarten painting is art.Good, you've admitted it's not music. Call it art all you want I suppose. There's good art and bad art and it may take time for you to learn the difference.
>>52406915>It's pretentious because it tries to be something it's not.lmao
>>52404187he cant even stand to look at us
>>52406932glad we finally agree bro
>>52403855>15 min >literally wanking
>>52403877be nice to him he has no dick
>>52406340>Rock is shit so you want to bash your head with a rock when you hear itImpressive edge.
>>52407104>>52407067>>52407038>>52407036>>52406902>>52406874>>52406859>>52406870>>52406855>>52406839>>52406708>>52406687>>52406645>>52406602>>52406583>>52406386>>52406354>>52406340All me btw>>52407009
>>52404929All music is noise but by your logic of noise not being music, then by your logic you're also saying music isn't music.
>>52404340I will fight you.
>>52404392>>52404340>>52404289>>52403938All clearly talented. Has anyone 'heard' anything else by Cage besides le meme silence? His prepared piano works? Come on /mu/, I know you're trolling but...
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