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52055589 No.52055589 [Reply] [Original]

You live in a world where data can be reproduced practically infinitely for almost no cost. And you've made your living producing what is effectively data. Then you call the people who reproduce the data thieves.

If I try and make my career selling something that has ZERO scarcity, I have no right to bitch and moan and hurl moral indictments at people for refusing to give me money for it.

There is no objective price for your goods, buddy. That's not how the world works. Price is dictated by supply and demand. If the supply of a good is infinite, what do you expect the value of the good to be? You are not owed $100 just because you decided that's what you wanted to charge, you are only owed what you can entice people to pay you.

Sure, using guilt against your fanbase is an interesting way to entice people to pay more for your product than they need to, but that doesn't mean your moral claim has any legitimacy, and the people who buy that argument are an ever diminishing minority.

Free art is a good thing. Free art is art done for arts sake. Free art is passion. You are investing yourself, you own time and money into an endeavor because you want to do it, not because you want to turn a profit. What is art without personal investment?

Does the age of information mean it is impossible to make a living in music? Hell no. There are lots of things that cannot be easily reproduced, like the concert experience, like merchandise, etc. And the costs of producing music are likewise diminishing. What it does mean is there will be fewer millionaires. There will be more and more passionate artists and fewer multi-national conglomerates running an industry.

This is the age of information, there is no going back. Calling for a return to the horse and buggy is a futile endeavor. The world has changed, and you must change with it.

>> No.52055628

>>52055589
nah because it costs a lot of money to make an album

>> No.52055637

>>52055589
That's a long post about being a degenerate.
Listen, I know you don't give a shit about the musicians and want them living on the STREETS so they can work for you, but that's a fucking disgusting point of view.

>> No.52055650

>>52055589

Go kill yourself, deluded leftard chunk of shit. Your mom can easily reproduce you with all the niggers that she fucks everyday.

>> No.52055800

>>52055589
You are absolutely right OP. But it's a change, and people are always resistant to change. Always.

Look at all the angry dinosaurs in the comments lol. Go away you aren't trolling anyone and you aren't making a counter argument.

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52055857

This is basically it

>> No.52055867

>>52055589
>>52055800
Oh look, the OP commented on his own post!

I see you worked pretty hard on this post, but you'll have to try a little harder if you want to be a big boy troll.

>> No.52055872

>>52055628
It costs a lot of money to dig a 5000 foot deep hole and then fill it back up again.

That doesn't mean you are entitled to get paid for doing it, dumb ass.

>> No.52055904

>>52055872
Yes it does, if that hole contains a water main that needs work.
Don't be a fucking moron.

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>>52055650

>> No.52056036

>>52055628
>>52055637
>>52055650
angry musicians who aren't making any money detected

>> No.52056077

>>52056036
Moronic libtard without an argument detected.

>> No.52056108
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52056108

The problem of piracy is easily fixable

Do what afrax twangs did with Syro. Make a fundraiser and release the album for free once a set price has been reached.

Musician gets payed, music is infinite. Problem solved.

The market must adapt. Musicians (and all types of digital vendors) are critically vulnerable to piracy. Evolution is imperative.

>> No.52056114

>>52056077
Nah, I'm pretty sure you are the one with no arguments actually.

>> No.52056132

>>52056108
i mean cat023 not syro*********

>> No.52056134

>>52056108
>and release the album for free
This was not done numbnuts. People had to pay $16 for the album.
>>52056114
You want musicians to live on the streets to please you.

>> No.52056151

>>52056134
I know. But the album is available to everyone now, at no disadvantage to Richard, because he is not continuing to make money off sales.

It makes no difference. It might as well be publicly available.

>> No.52056170

>>52056134
>You want musicians to live on the streets to please you.
It's called having a real job

>> No.52056176

What's hard to understand about it?

>someone releases something for free
>anyone has the privilege of listening to it for free

>someone releases something that they want people to pay for
>people that don't pay for it listen to it for free
>the creator gets upset

It's that easy
Just because you can get something for free doesn't mean that it's morally right when the original creator wanted people to pay for it.

>> No.52056204

I'm guessing everyone ITT pays for all of their music like good boys and girls right

>> No.52056211

>>52056170
Putting on concerts is literally the same as a studio experience.
That isn't a real job to you?
Is being any kind of entertainer not a job to you?

Point being: you don't give a shit about the artist.

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52056216

>>52056170
Do you mean to tell me that there should be no professional musicians?

>> No.52056236

>>52056204
I do, yeah.

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52056253

>>52056236

>> No.52056259

>>52056236

How big is your library?

>> No.52056297

>>52056077
You're kinda retarded if you think this is a generic "libtard" argument. American Dems hate free labor and the law of supply and demand. Hence why unions demand an artificial monopoly on labor which allows them to set the minimum amount that can be paid for their services, and members generally loathe immigrants who are willing to work for cheaper wages.

>> No.52056302
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52056302

>>52056259
This is slightly skewed since I have AIF and FLAC files in the folder along with primarily MP3s

>> No.52056336

>>52056302

Yeah, nah, you didn't pay for all of that

>> No.52056364

>>52055589
>all these mental gymnastics to justify unlawfully taking a good, enjoying that good, and then refusing to compensate the artisan who produced the good he is enjoying, simply because it was easy for him to unlawfully take that good

And we wonder why popular music is going to shit.

>> No.52056374

>>52056211
>>52056216
If an artist can't make enough money off of merch/shows then they will need another job. If you buy a used cd the artist gets no money from it. Pirating is no different than going to a library or buying something used.

>> No.52056392

>>52056336
>Poorfag is intimidated by reasonable, upstanding citizen with large library collection
>"I better assume that he is lying or otherwise I'll look like a tool!"
So pathetic.
>>52056374
Well that sucks that buying used legitimately is just as bad as piracy, because it is.
Getting stuff at a library isn't the same as piracy in any extent.

>> No.52056400

If you think piracy is wrong then you're an anti-capitalist, simple as

>> No.52056414

ITT: Uneducated music fans who don't understand economics.

>> No.52056420

>>52056400
If you think piracy is correct than you are a hippie socialist, simple as that.

>> No.52056423

>>52056364

your argument would make sense except music isn't tangible, retard

>> No.52056429

>>52056374
>If an artist can't make enough money off of merch/shows then they will need another job.
That's bullshit. They should make money off of producing music. I stand by my proposition of the crowdsourcing technique

>>52056400
That made me lol. It's the opposite. Breaking the law =/= capitalism. Voluntary exchange of music for money = capitalism.

>> No.52056430

>>52056423
>frequencies are intangible
Just the thing that a plebeian would say.

>> No.52056439

>>52056420
>labor is inherently worthless, only scarcity of goods matters
>a socialist idea

>> No.52056450

>>52056176
A persons expectation to get paid does not make him entitled to get paid.

Just ask any small business owner who failed and had to shut down his shop. He had an expectation to make money, but he didn't make enough. It happens. You only deserve what you can entice people to pay you, and if you are trying to sell something they can get for free, your odds aren't good.

>> No.52056454

>>52056423
>thinks all goods must be perceptible by touch
>calling anyone a retard

>> No.52056461

>>52056420
explain why a good capitalist should pay for something that they can get for free? surely by paying musicians money you don't have to, you're giving them a handout, or a form of welfare?

>> No.52056465

>>52056450
except people break the law by getting it for free. So he legally should get money. It's not just his charisma that decides his fate. LEGALLY he is entitled to money.

>> No.52056474

>>52056439
It's a socialist idea that goods should belong to the community as a public good.
>>52056461
It's not free. It's not being sold on the open market for free, you tard.

>> No.52056481
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52056481

>>52056461
you fucking dumbass

capitalism is not the same as anarchy.
you cannot break the law just because it's more profitable.

>> No.52056482

>>52056429
>capitalism
>an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
Black and gray markets are mostly capitalist dude.

>> No.52056496

>>52056481
>you cannot break the law just because it's more profitable.
tell that to starbucks

>> No.52056497

>>52056400

capitalism is shit, what are you trying to argue here?

>> No.52056502

>>52056429
Wrong again...

In a free market, people will buy from the lowest bidder. In the case of music, the lowest bidder is often offering the good for free, or at least for ad revenue.

What you are talking about is a government enforcing artificial scarcity in a market in order to drive up the price. That is not Capitalism by any stretch of the imagination.

>> No.52056507

>>52056482
they are. in a free market, as in a totally free market, anything can be sold.

However in the USA we are not a free market. We cannot sell heroin or fissile uranium.

The law is supreme in this case.

>> No.52056514

>>52056461
Because the artisan producing more of the good is contingent upon the artisan being compensated for the goods already produced and consumed by the "capitalist".

>hurr something can come from nothing and we can all just, like, share everything mannnnn
Leftardation in a nutshell.

>> No.52056517

>>52056392
>Getting stuff at a library isn't the same as piracy in any extent.

Why not? One person buys the book/album. They then put it in a location where literally any person with the resources can go in and get it for free. They do not own it, and anyone can use it. For the most part, also, books are more expensive and time-consuming to produce than any album. If anything, libraries are worse than pirates.

>> No.52056526

>>52056502
>the lowest bidder is often offering the good for free
No. The lowest bidder is not the black market or illegal market. Stop with the false equivalency.
>>52056517
Because you legally aren't allowed to rip library CD's.

>> No.52056527

>>52056502
It's not pure capitalism but it is the capitalism that Is. I don't know what libertarian utopia you live in, but piracy is illegal where I am.

Try to stay grounded in the here and now. I am not talking about an idealistic world.

>> No.52056538

>>52056465
Legally, but not morally.... That's the point.

>>52056474
Torrents are not "public goods." They are still privately held and privately distributed.

>>52056481
Markets operate in spite of the law, not because of it.

>> No.52056545

>>52056474
Name a socialist writer who openly argues that labor is worthless and should not be factored when determining price.

>> No.52056556

>>52056538
>They are still privately held and privately distributed.
On an illegal market.
>>52056545
Ignoring my point? What a Liberal thing to do!

>> No.52056567

>>52055872
op relax you are misinformed and very very moody

>> No.52056575

>>52056526
>>52056527
Capitalism == Markets

No false equivalency there. Markets can be legal or illegal, that's really up to the specific government and not the Capitalist system itself.

>> No.52056578

>>52055628
>people still believing this myth in 2014
A bad one, maybe. You do realize plenty of famous artists have made albums essentially for free. Have you ever heard of a thing called punk? Jesus Christ.

>> No.52056590

>>52056575
>that's really up to the specific government
Correct, that you live under.
Meaning nobody gives a shit about your idealism because the government still thinks your market is illegitimate.

>> No.52056592

>>52056526
>Because you legally aren't allowed to rip library CD's.
but you can enjoy and use them the same as a pirated CD. You just are inconvenienced in having to renew your rent on it once in a while.

>>52056538
>Legally, but not morally.... That's the point.
Yes. Legally.

>Markets operate in spite of the law, not because of it.
What
No. I am talking about legal markets here. Not black markets.

>>52056575
I am talking about the US's system, not idealistic capitalism.

>> No.52056625

>>52056556
I'm not liberal you faggot, I'm just saying you keep calling something liberal and socialist despite having no idea what these words mean. The argument in OP was that prices should be determined strictly by scarcity. Things with zero scarcity should be free, regardless of how much work was put into it. This is not a socialist idea, I've never read any socialist who so wildly discarded the value of labor in an economic system.

>> No.52056627

>>52056592
>You just are inconvenienced in having to renew your rent on it once in a while.
Correct, but that is enough to justify it being a public good.

>> No.52056675

Literally everybody in the thread is ignoring the fact that this is

ILLEGAL.

As in, nobody in the government or the majority of society gives a FUCK about your idealist, idiotic, Liberal utopia where all media is free and we simply work the corn fields communally working for each other.

You can keep taking your LSD and imagining a world where the artist sucks your dick and lives purely for the parasitic pirate, but that world will never come.

It's a fantasy, like your ideals.

>> No.52056684

>>52056590
You are actually the idealist here, not me. You are idealist because you are talking about "legitimate" markets, a concept which is irrelevant and has no basis in the real world. The reality, which you reject, is that the market is white, black, and gray all at the same time, and there is nothing you or the government can do about it.

>> No.52056702

>>52056675
It's illegal but it shouldn't be you fucking idiot
The creative process is intrinsically motivating. You're probably a shitty artist if you care that much about the money and piracy

>> No.52056713

I wouldn't care if people would listen to my music for free

I'd be glad they'd listen at all

;__;

>> No.52056720

>>52056675
You've got it backwards actually....

The fantasy idealistic utopia is believing you can enforce artificial scarcity in the market and keep people from reproducing data for free. That's the LSD pipe dream.

The reality is that the economic world has changed and only the backwards dinosaurs who can't see the writing on the wall are opposing it.

We don't need to wait for the pirate world to come.... it's already here.

>> No.52056726

>>52056675
idk what lsd has to do with anything but i hope someone slips liquid acid in a drink of yours someday

>> No.52056734

>>52056517
Libraries also aren't free, they're public, the government pays for them. Taxes don't really cover bands, (I know there are art grants in Canada, but I don't know of any specifically in the US). Piracy is literally arguing they should do it for free.

>> No.52056748

>>52056713
:(

>> No.52056749

>>52056675
>GUYS, BURGERLAND LAWS APPLY TO THE ENTIRE WORLD!
Typical Amerifat

>> No.52056757

>>52056720
OH SHIT REKT

>> No.52056770

>>52056675
see >>52056108

>> No.52056774

>>52056720
Literally that entire post was idealism.
>We don't need to wait for the pirate world to come.... it's already here.

Hahaha fucking libtard.

>> No.52056781

>>52056675
>laws are inherently moral
>Equating the law with the "rightness" of an idea

>> No.52056793

>>52056774
Hahaha great namecalling.

>> No.52056803

>>52056774
Are you denying that literally millions of torrents are readily available for anybody to download at no cost?

I don't quite understand why this is a "dream" that anybody has to "fight" for.... it's just the current reality bro.

Nice with the "libtard" though.... that really shows your intelligence.

>> No.52056824

>>52056774
Can you come up with an argument that doesn't rely on ad hominems? Calling everyone you disagree with "libtards" doesn't really impress anybody here, especially since most people seem to be defending pure capitalism ITT.

>> No.52056874

>>52056824
Your arguments don't impress the rest of society.
I still win out, friend.

>> No.52056893

>>52056874
How is that a win if I have 120 gigabytes of free high quality music at no cost? But oh congrats, society 'agrees' with you (despite the fact that everyone pirates music nowadays)

>> No.52056901

>>52056874
Is this an appeal to popularity for the sake of an argument or for the sake of saying HAHA I'M MOR POPYELAR THEN U

>> No.52056914

>>52056874
>Most people pirate music
>Nobody pays for porn besides older people or dads who need something physical to hide easier.

>> No.52056918

>>52056874
Everyone from 8 year old kids to grandmothers are pirating everything from music to games to movies, and the percentage is increasing every day.

But congrats on winning, friend :D

>> No.52056936

if you don't have what.cd kill yourself (or soulseek)
if you don't have ptp kill yourself
if you don't have btn kill yourself

>> No.52056949

>>52056936
I don't have to kill myself because I have soulseek but what's btn / ptp? Peer to peer? Isn't that soulseek or any torrent client?

>> No.52056965

>>52056949
ptp = passthepopcorn
btn = broadcasthenet

ptp is for movies, btn is for tv shows

>> No.52056971

>>52056364
>implying popular music isn't the prime example of corporation-funded music
>implying without the desire for profit, artists would still make droll and uninspired music

>> No.52056982

>>52056936
If you pirate at all, kill yourself.

>> No.52056990

>>52055589
thats not really how it works. all products have hard costs, without which there would be no product, even if the product is data. these costs can be fairly well tabulated to produce an objective price. lets call that wholesale price. add to this is the required percentage of profit, upping the price and giving you a retail cost. this has nothing to do with supply. without these costs their is no product (ie no music). but you can keep peddling the koolaid fake amazon economy if you want. you can excuse your own denial of artists fair compensation for labor if you want. get off giras dick already. he aint fucking microsoft.

>> No.52056995

>>52056965
oh
I get all my tibetan shadow puppet shows from irc and I don't watch TV

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>>52056982
no :3c

>> No.52057011

>>52056936
w2c ptp invite?
I'm using rutracker to pirate my films at the moment, but sometimes it isn't enough

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52057029

>>52056982
pic related, maybe you should swallow your pride and come to the 21st century like the rest of us.

>>52056995
i like you anon

>> No.52057036

>>52055589
I think you're right. The problem lies with people who have become dependent on selling records to heat their multi-million mansions. But wanting to be a musician and wanting to be a rockstar are two completely different things. I gave up the second wish and am content with the first one, and as long as I'm not starving, I'd rather have people listen to me than pay me.

>> No.52057063

>>52057011
make friends with people that have accounts on ptp. you know anybody else that uses rutracker? i use rutracker sometimes for classical music shit cuz whatcd has an awful classical selection and i know a lot of people on private trackers that sometimes use rutracker too....

>> No.52057092

>>52056990
You are talking about something completely different here. You are talking about production costs.

What I am talking about is value in the market.

It's not a hard distinction to make, but apparently one you are still lost on.

When you use phrases like "fair compensation for labor" I know you don't really know anything about how Capitalism works and you've been taught some bullshit Marxist, probably in a university sociology course of some sort.

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52057145

>mfw studying econometrics and reading some of the comments in this thread

>> No.52057185

>>52057036
This guy has the right idea.

The industry isn't like it was twenty years ago. The internet changed almost everything about everything.

If having a nice, steady income is your goal, musician shouldn't really be your first choice of career.

>> No.52057197

>>52057036
This. The only people who care about making money off of their art are already rich or are artists for the wrong reasons.

It's also worth noting that if you do what you do well enough people will give attention to you. Death Grips and Run the Jewels both give their shit away for free but they (at least Run the Jewels does, Death Grips could) make bank. You may argue that both groups had a built-in fanbase but I don't think Zach Hill, El-p or Killer Mike were swimming in cash before they hit it big.

>> No.52057240

>>52056204
I legitimately have never downloaded an album for free that wasn't made free by the artist.

I'm not anti-piracy, I just prefer CD's.

>> No.52057280

Reminder that if an artist is signed to an even moderately popular label, they make most of their money from ticket sales for shows.

If it's an indie artist or an artist who runs their own label, I'd pay for their CD's to support them, but I don't give a shit about big labels.

>> No.52057449

>>52057280
If your intention is to support the artist then send money directly to the artist, and cut out all the middle men. You have no idea what percent the artist is actually getting per CD.

>> No.52057526

>>52055628
Dude I made an EP recently using one of my friends guitars, an old Yamaha keyboard my grandma gave me when i was 10, my laptop mic and a cracked version of FL11.
It cost me no money whatsoever so yr statement is bullshit

>> No.52057570

>>52057092
whatever.
stuff costs shit or else no stuff.
you want to talk your "infinite supply"?
well, it cost actual money. good luck working without costs of production and your third world cheap labor.

>> No.52057601

>>52057526
>my laptop mic

Honest question, how did you get it to not sound like shit?

>> No.52057625

>>52057526
tell that to your friend, your grandma, who ever bought your laptop, and the people that made FL, and whoever puts a roof over your head to keep it all dry, not to mention some food in your belly, and who ever afforded you the opportunity to learn about music, let alone have the time to make.
shits all free, huh?

>> No.52057799

>>52057601
well i thought the shitty mic quality kind of matched the music i'm making at the moment so i didn't to much to slut my voice up

>>52057625
I was just making a point that you don't have to spend a shit load of money just to make an album, you use what you have and work around it.
Obviously time is spent making it but if you have a passion the activity alone should be reward enough.

>> No.52057812

>>52057570
So then make music to make music, not to turn a profit. Obviously.

Art doesn't always have to be for a profit you know... Find a job that pays and do music as a hobby. That's what 99% of musicians did even before piracy existed.

>> No.52057865

ITT:
>people who aren't artists trying to justify stealing from artists
>people who have no idea how much work goes into making music
>people who have no idea just how little bands make on tour
You're all horrible.

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52057887

>>52057865
>bands

>> No.52057912

>>52057865
ITT:
>people who aren't hole diggers trying to justify not giving them money
>people who have no idea how much work goes into digging a 5000 foot hole and filling it back up
>people who have no idea just how little digging holes can earn you
You're all horrible.

>> No.52057932

>>52057912
trying to equate something with and without demand as equally valuable is retarded.

>> No.52057962

>>52057526
if you ever get famous or relatively poplar and the music police find out you used pirated software to make and sell music you will go to music jail or get fined a lot

>> No.52057964

>>52057932
Demand / Infinite Scarcity = 0

>> No.52057980

>>52057964
*Infinite Supply

>> No.52058008

>>52057980
there is no infinite supply. try buying milk with that theoretical conceit.

>> No.52058032

>>52057964
someone has to make music in the first place faggot. No one has to dig holes. You understand that right

>> No.52058054

>>52057962
i'm not planning on becoming relatively popular but if i by some miracle do find myself with enough money one day i'm planning on buying FL

>> No.52058062

>>52058032
even the smallest of backwater in 2000bc in goddamn Ur needs holes dug ffs.

>> No.52058092

Only dead fish swim with the stream.

>> No.52058129

>>52057526
>implying you will ever make money on your piece of shit
Yeah, it doesn't cost much to produce shit

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>> No.52058183

daily reminder that when artists have to do it for free the quality of work improves

>> No.52058222

>>52058129
well it's name your price and i've made about 30 euro so i hope it's not that shit

>> No.52058243

>>52058183
>>52058153
daily reminder that faggots post here.

>> No.52058266

The real immorality in this situation is the fact that our governments are enforcing artificial scarcity on the market, effectively destroying millions of dollars worth of wealth and public enjoyment, depriving billions of people around the world to this free wealth, some incredibly impoverished, all so that a few people can get more rich.

Yeah, that's the moral thing to do!

>> No.52058268

>>52058243
this is all the proof i need to post

>> No.52058296

>>52058032
>someone has to make music

Says who? What foundation of society relies on the creation of music?

>> No.52058311

>>52058296
if no one made music we wouldn't be talking about it dumbass

>> No.52058334
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>>52058311

>> No.52058344

>>52058311
Therefore /mu/ is the foundation of society.
Case closed.

>> No.52058360

>>52058311
>If no one dug holes we wouldn't be talking about them, dumbass
>/mu/ is a foundation of society

In not even that guy but his logic is spot on.

>> No.52058362

>>52055589
I'm sure you will convince a judge and he will acquit you no problem.

>> No.52058386

>>52055589
imo privacy aint bad, but also it is FAR away from being the most prominent issue of the industry today.

The millionaires today, no matter how much they claim to flush the money back to support the industry and new upcoming artists, their label, will still remain to be millionaires and exceedingly grow by the day and in the end dictate the mainstream and what's the flavour of the year and whatnot.

Just killing off the major labels is what would actually create a change in the industry. Getting rid of all Disney-related media (TV included), shitty karaoke vocalists and artificially promoted music IS what would make a change.
All those millions of a single pop artist could be effectively shared between dozens of "serious music" artists to fund them for years without any issues.


Also (no, i will not make a thread about this), is Google completely tied together with this website now? There's not a single news piece about it either, lol. Seriously considering to exclusively lurk in the future.

>> No.52058390

>>52058362
>smoking weed is illegal therefore you shouldn't do it

Interracial marriage was illegal once too.

>> No.52058455

>>52058390
Keep saying it as they take you to your cell, see where it gets you.

>> No.52058553

>>52058386
>down with pop music!
>particular types of fun are no longer allowed!
you cant fathom that people actually enjoy these things, can you

>> No.52058652

>>52058455
Don't debate anything at all in your life, just be afraid and mindlessly follow all authority figures!

Yep, typical Westerner these days. Meanwhile, in North Korea...

>> No.52058701

>>52058362

that stockholm syndrome, holy shit

>> No.52058718

>>52058553
Well, perhaps 'getting rid of' is a bit overboard, but my point is that low quality entertainment business does not deserve the massive amounts of profit and (forced) worldwide distribution in such manners.

Competition between the labels needs to be made fair

>> No.52058747

>>52058718

In a Capitalist system that just won't happen, sorry

>> No.52058779

>>52058652
>>52058701
I'm sure your anti-law punk anarchist shouting will stop the guards beating you as hard, you get 'em.

>> No.52058933

>>52058747
Well yeah but piracy isn't going away either.
Changes have to be made atleast on one side, be it the artist or the consumer themselves.
And when i'm talking about consumers i mean that they need to be in a fluorishing economical environment where they could afford such disposable incomes.

At this point i'm sure most artist would prefer their music be pirated than to be streamed with 3rd parties making money off of the process for practically doing nothing.
Piracy is not a bad thing
People pirate because they do not have money, what's the point of even taking the discussion any further than that?

>> No.52059014

>>52057526
is that you handsome eric

>> No.52059070

>>52058933
most small artists would*

>> No.52059077

>>52059014
yeah

>> No.52059104

>>52059077
high five dude you rock

>> No.52059570

haha thanks dude

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