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currently listening to this. anybody heard it?

from the looks of it this thread will be lucky to make it to 30 posts

What is the least controversial jazz album? Is there anybody who dislikes Black Saint or A Love Supreme? I know I've heard people say they're overrate but everybody agrees they're at least great right?

Why don't you fags ever talk about Horace Silver?

>>52041443
yeah probably black saint and the sinner lady

>>52041630
good right hand, shit left hand

I was impressed recently by Today's Opinion by Yosvanny Terry. Good latin free jazz.

I want to get into Jazz. Where do I start? All I listened to so far sounded kind of the same, but I guess that is just me being new to the genre.

>>52041443
birth of cool is probably loved universely

>>52041630
hes the shit
song of my father is a awesome album

>>52041443
Well there are plenty of people who just straight up don't like jazz and they don't like it but by far the most universally acclaimed jazz album is Kind of Blue. Everyone acknowledges it as good and most people acknowledge it as excellent. A Love Supreme and Black Saint are also very well acclaimed but keep in mind that a world exists outside /mu/ that finds even albums like A Love Supreme a bit inaccessible, let alone Black Saint.

>>52042525
well what have you listened to so far?

>>52042547
I'd be willing to bet that a lot of /mu/'s jazz fans have never listened to birth of the cool

quite sad actually

>>52042629
come on, really? That's like the easiest intro to jazz. One could argue its' more accesible than birth of cool

>>52042525

>>52042598
Coltrane, Davis and other well known folks.

>>52042525


>>52042669
does the list go on?

>>52041630
I've listened to Song for my Father and one other big album from him a couple of times but he never really grabbed me. It was plenty bluesy and had a nice swing to it but I don't remember much else. I really did give it a chance and usually if an album is good I'll find myself getting lost in the solos and internalising them a bit to the point where I'll be able to hum along to them but I never got there with silver.

>>52042591
there are like 2-3 threads a month about how kind of blue is overrated and boring

I've never seen anybody post any real valid criticism of it but it's definitely not universally liked.

>>52042687
the list couldn't go on

>>52042723
its called trolling man. I've never had someone give a coherent arguement of hwy it sucks other than 'IT WAS BORING THERE IS BETTER STUFF OUT THERE'

>>52042650
>One could argue its' more accesible than birth of cool
wait what?

anyway i'm not saying it's not good or that it's not accessible. i'd just be willing to bet that a lot of /mu/ has never taken the time to listen to a lot of Davis's earlier work

>>52042744
shoudlnt have said other than, thats not a coherent argument

>>52042746
you said jazz fans, not general /mu/

>>52042744
i dont know if its all trolling. i think some of those people genuinely didn't like it. obviously this has more to do with their own shortcomings and attention spans than with the music but I think black saint is popular with the people who think music has to be loud and dissonant to be exciting.

>>52042650
I'm guessing you meant Kind of Blue and I'd be inclined to agree with you. I'd sooner show one of my friends looking to into jazz Birth of the cool than kind of blue but we're on /mu/. Here it's not so much accessabulity that matters as much as it is street cred. Kind of Blue, Black Saint and A Love Supreme are cool to like so people flock to them. Birth of the Cool doesn't have enough weight behind it's name even though it's a beautiful album that was very significant in jazz history. Same way that nobody outside /jazz/ gives a fuck about Louis Armstrong on here.

>>52042781
I think he just bitched out of his original opinion. What he was TRYING to say was that he thinks that the 'fans' of jazz on /mu/ only listen to the entry level shit. Which is wrong.

>>52042781
ok well jazz fans on /mu/

birth of the cool is actually very seldom mentioned

>>52042819
birth of the cool IS entry-level though

i just don't think it has that 'cool' factor though like >>52042806 is talking about

>>52042723
I'd wager they're mostly started by people who aren't into jazzorwho are trolling because they know we're embarssingly easy to troll.
It's also the most praised jazz album outside /mu/ too. See: rym top 100s, Rolling Stones barest albums, any jazz band that does a cover of So What, etc.
hell, it's so popular that for a while you couldn't say you liked it because it's the first and only jazz album that fedoras listen to.

>>52041051
good album

>>52040825
donald byrd and gigi gryce are another two who don't get mentioned that often

EVERYONE. EVERYONE KNOWS /mu/tants ONLY SAY THEY LISTEN TO JAZZ. THEY USE IT TO PICK UP CHICKS. LISTENING TO 'ARTY' MUSIC WHILE MAINTAINING AN ALOOF, YET SENSITIVE PERSONA GETS YOU LAID BY SLUTTY HIPSTER GIRLS. YOU LISTEN TO SOME OF THE MOST INACCESSIBLE MUSIC IN JAZZ HISTORY TO SCORE GIRL POINTS.

>>52042797
are you saying that black saint woudl be more generally liked than kind of blue/birth of cool

I dunno, "The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady" is pretty inoffensive, but I think that's largely because it's more similar to composed music than anything else in Mingus' discography. There is a smaller amount of improvisation and "craziness," especially when compared to stuff like the Antibes concert.

>>52042916
by 16 year old hipsters on /mu/?
yes

by a random sampling of citizens?
no

>>52042927
Just because something is less dissonant than another thing within somebody's work, doesn't mean people will listen to it thinking 'I guess it's less dissonant than the Antibes concert, I guess I like it'. That's not how things work.

>>52042927
The antibes recording is great
so is the cornell one

>>52042963
what the hell are you talking about

>>52040825
I recently listened to pic related, recorded in an unusual quartet style (piano, violin, cello, bass clarinet) really looking for her album on Eric Dolphy's tracks (also from this year)
as I've listened to a lot of htrat jazz from 2014 it would be quite hard to elect a favorite, but Igor Gehenot - Motion or Thomas de Pourquery - Supersonic : play Sun Ra might take the cake

I'd wager that No one could name more than 5 albums by coltrane on Prestige or more than 10 Davis albums. What about the early mingus? Albums released this year? Don't use google or your music folders, you cunts.

>>52042806
i did mean kind of blue.

In my experience people cool soothing sounds over boppy jives.

>>52042827
well that's because its over-shadowed by the (mostly) superior kind of blue.

>>52042827
true, but that doesn't mean its not widely liked.

>>52042858
Thats' fine, but i still want to talk about the most universally accepted album

>>52042885
lol. listening to jazz makes you look like a fedora tipper. I usually just say classic rock or something

>>52042885

what happens when im also a jazz musician

>>52042885
Actually, /jazz/ has quite conservative taste in jazz. People who come on claiming that Brotzman, Zorn and all those wired soulless Japanese free artists are Gods tend to get heckled.
We also <3 a lot of older popier artist.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO1uMjz3n3w

>>52043025
Then the point is moot, because everyone knows that jazz musicians actually hate jazz.

>>52043025
and you just LOVE bringing that up everywhere you go...

>>52042994
btw Sclavis also released this album this year with mater percussionist Keyvan Chemirani, that I reccomend heartily

>>52043015
the only challenging one of those is the 5 coltrane prestige albums. I could only come up with four.

Bahia
Dakar
Soultrane
Black Pearls

and I should have remembered Stardust. It's pretty good.

What does /mu/ think of this jazz classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQx-H2av1PM

>>52043112
oh shit i forgot lush life too
that's like the best one

Everybody's a big bad jazz cat on the internet but who's actually got recordings of themselves playing?

>>52043015
Davis:
killmanjaro session
KOB
BOC
coolin
walkin
workin
relaxin????
Milestones
Bitches brew
sketches of spain
in a silent way

Coltrane:
tenor conclave
coltrane
lush life

how early mingus....

>>52043142
but let's not forgot that Coltrane did his Prestige sessions like on the rush because he needed money, and that the best he ever come with was once he reached the Atlantic and overall the Blue Note level with paid reherals and stuff

>>52043015
Don't do well with which album was on which label outside of Blue note so you've got me there.
Pangea
Kob
Birth of the cool
Bitches brew
Socerer
Cookin with Miles
Jack Johnson Tribute
In a Silent Way
sketches of Spain
Live Evil
>>52041630 In the same way that Grant Green never really did anything for me I just never remember loving the shit out of any of Horace Silver's stuff.

What about early Mingus?
I love Pithecanthropus Erectus if that's what you mean. Lovely arrangements on it with great counterpoint, hard swing and that vaguely bluesy yet orchestrated feel that Mingus does so brilliantly.
I really liked the new Mark Turner, Lathe of Heaven. I do wish it could be a bit more free spirited but that's kinda the price you pay for listeing to serious moden jazz. It often ends up being a bit academic sounding which I still very much like. Nothing pleases me more than when I can get lost trying to follow a solo and that album does it well.
On a slightly plebier note, I also really liked the new Fire! Album. If I wasn't on mobile and afraid I'd lose this post I'd go copy the paragraph I wrote about it a while ago from the archive but I'm not really bothered rewriting it. An intense album though.
You really ought to calm down a little anon. Listen to some Jim Hall or something. That always gets me chilled out.

>>52043225
forget*
damn english is hard to handle when it's a quarter to three in the morning

>>52043258
>>>52041630 # In the same way that Grant Green never really did anything for me I just never remember loving the shit out of any of Horace Silver's stuff.
Fuck sake. Fucking tablet is taking stuff I wanted to post ages ago and fucking it into my posts now.

>>52043225
yes the Atlantic stuff is mostly great and Blue Train is a masterpiece but let's not put down his output on impulse either. The live recordings with the quartet are especially good.

>>52043169
I'm gonna get roasted for this.
https://soundcloud.com/zac_sakrewski/psycho-mantis-1
This is a short chart I threw together for a gig with my sextet. I am playing bass.

>>52043327
>psycho mantis

even before I open this link I can tell this is going to be fun

>>52043344
Jazz isn't fun.

Never hear people talk about this album. Not even into big-band but this is my favorite album

>>52043316
oh of course I'm not putting down his earlier stuff, but the point I wanted to make was that he recorded in a complete different mindset (mostly imposed by the recording companies he was affiliated with at the time), and that it really oozes through the music

>>52043327
that was pretty good actually

>>52043327
Live recording. a few mistakes, but whatever. That's jazz, right? Jazzy jazzy jazz. Here's 10 minutes of a piece I wrote. https://soundcloud.com/zac_sakrewski/x-ray

>>52043051

>thinks he can actually appreciate jazz w/o knowing whats even being played

k

>>52043075
actually try to keep it on the dl. i let people know i listen to a fuckton of jazz, but its not until im asked or until the girl sees my bedroom that i let them know i play music

Just picked up Time Out and Head Hunters. Hancock is just blowing me away man. I want nothing more than to know what it feels like to be that comfortable behind a keyboard.

>>52043613

hancock is incredible. one of my overall faves.
im jam head hunters on a serious regular.

be sure to check out sextant soon. you need to have that in your life for as long as possible.

I always liked this guy as a sideman, but wow. Parisian Throughfare. WOW.

>>52043327
That was pretty good. You wrote that head? The rhythm section and tenor player sound great but the trombone solo was maybe a little weak. Does he listen to much Robin Eubanks?

>>52043613
Check out Herbie's playing with Miles' quintet. I love it when he uses just his right hand for solos with no comping. Amazing player.

Just finished the entire Coltrane discography.

Pretty good.

>>52043654
>>52043763
I'll definitely be picking up some more from him soon and will make sure to look for these.

>>52043763
you play piano right? can you post some recordings?

>>52043875
yeah I might have some recordings around

mostly just solo piano recordings of me practicing though... let me see what I can find

Hello jazz general, I was wanting to get some recommendations on musicians or albums. I'm not a big jazz fan by any means, i'm more into classical and rock, but there are a few albums i like. I like Sinatra, Benny Goodman, and Gerry Mulligan consistently. I really like Alex Sipiagin Destinations Unkown, Birth of the Cool, Enter Fire! Orchestra and Getz/Gilberto. I love anything bari sax and swing. I'm not a fan of any Herbie Hancock or free jazz, sorry for the shit taste. Any help is greatly appreciated.

>>52043948
>bari sax and swing
get anything you can by the early Gerry Mulligan quartet. Also since you like classical you might be interested in Chico Hamilton or early Jimmy Giuffre. Have you listened to Bill Evans?

>>52043941
any playing with a group?

>>52044006
got it, thanks. Anything more abstract jazz, like Enter?

>>52043875
k here's one that's just an intro to Wayne Shorter's "Fall" that I've been working on. I've been playing around with time signatures lately.

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1QtwByRPtzS

Here's one that's me playing with the rhythm section of my Latin band. I do a solo somewhere in the middle. I think this recording is almost a year old now though.

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1fdVp1ssiN2

>>52044090
Well you say you don't like free jazz but you might like Ascension by Coltrane. Or some of Andrew Hill's larger ensemble albums like Passing Ships or Beautiful Day.

>>52043396
pls rspond

have a bump, /jazz/, and discuss the greatness of this album while I go to sleep

>>52043712
dude yes, the whole band is fucking BURNING on this one

>>52043948
wikipedia search third wave

big titles
sketches of spain
anything by bill evans