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51903128 No.51903128 [Reply] [Original]

>implying Bach ever wrote an aria as good as "But Who May Abide"

>> No.51903177

is there a rule 34 for composers
like feldman taking it from the back by chopin
lol

>> No.51903292

People hate Bach on here simply because he's popular right?

>> No.51903456

>>51903292
>People hate Bach on here
He's literally the most popular composer on /classical/.

>> No.51903629

>>51903456
Ah I see. Must have been just the times I lurked.

>> No.51903711

>>51903456
He's just a tripfag favorite. That's why there's so much Bach shitposting.

>> No.51904034
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51904034

How all of one man's works be so fuckin cool?

>> No.51904335

>>51904034
I didn't know Paul Dano composed.

>> No.51904492

>>51903128
Händel more like fondle.

>> No.51904845

>implying Handel was cis

>> No.51904854
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51904854

What is the best Roman Trilogy recording and why is it the Montreal Symphony conducted by Dutoit?

>> No.51904856

>>51904492
more like handjobel

>> No.51904944

Kinds confused as to why every shitposts about Bach too...

>> No.51905487

What do you guys think of the classical awards in the Grammy's?
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-et-ms-grammys-2015-nominees-winners-list-story.html#page=5

>Seattle's Dutilleux album nominated in three categories

I guess they get some things right.

>> No.51905587

>>51904854
>still trying to force a Respighi meme

You've been at it for days now just give up

>> No.51905693

>>51905487

>Spano conducted Vaughan Williams

Good good, I've been very impressed with all of his VW recordings thus far, and this one was no exception.

How was the Cambreling Moses und Aron recording that got nominated? I know that we've got a few people here who love the work, so I'm curious as to how they'd rate this recording.

>> No.51906519

>>51905693
from what i've heard (i didnt listen to the whole thing) the singing is great, but the orchestra is a bit sleepy, lacking energy, and ill defined sonically. overall it is a good recording, but compared to whats already in the discography with kegel, gielen, and rosbaud, i can't say its a recording people should get

>> No.51906790

>>51904854
thats cos dutoit was based at that french-like style
>>51905693
didn't know cambreling recorded moses und aron actually, i'll have to check it. he's one of the top conductor of modern/contemporary music alive right now imo but like rabitch says there's tons of great recordings of that opera already

>> No.51907039

>>51906790
>dutoit
apparently he was a massive asshole to the musicians though. the orchestra hated him and that's why he was replaced in the early 2000s

they were at their best under him though although i think nagano is no slouch either. different repertoire though, dutoit is full french/russian while nagano seems more at home in german/modern or contemporary music.

>> No.51907059

>>51907039
That's a shame. Dutoit's one of my favorite conductors.

>> No.51907108
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>Schumann
>good outside some piano pieces
I hope this meme already died along with CLT

>> No.51907160

>>51907108

His lieder is good too. I was at a lieder concert the other day actually, and I was reminded that Schumann's lieder is good, even if the majority of the performers made me want to avoid all lieder in the future, to avoid such butchery. It ended with a Croatian soprano who was very good though, so it made up for it.

>> No.51907169

>>51907108
anything that has a piano is potentially great imo

>> No.51907288

>>51907108
>Lieder which rival Schubert's
>arguably the most influential chamber piece of the Romantic period (the piano quintet)
>highly inventive symphonies

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51907345

You are now aware Philip Landridge is no longer with us

>> No.51907385
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51907385

You are now aware Philip Langridge is no longer with us

>> No.51907502

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jcvfH_DyHQ

>> No.51907512

>>51907108
>Robert Schumann
>not one of the greatest songwriters of all time

You say Lennon/McCartney, I say Schubert/Schumann

>> No.51907525

>>51907385

He's been dead for 4 years though, so it's hardly news.

The Britten canticles are great though. The Isaac and Abraham one which he recycled into the War Requiem is wonderful in its original form.

And you've reminded me I meant to buy Langridge's recording of 'On This Island' at some point too.

>> No.51907557

>>51907108
Further proof that Schumann is underrated.

>> No.51907562

>>51907385

>Dame Judi Dench

what

>> No.51907584

>>51907562
narrator

>> No.51907611

>>51907525

Things take years to be news in /classycool/

>> No.51907705

>>51907288
CLT pls

>> No.51907707

>>51907611
unless it's important deaths eg elliott carter

>> No.51907820

>>51907705
shut the fuck up CLT

>> No.51907847

>>51907707
>important deaths eg elliott carter
>important deaths
>important deaths
>important deaths
>important deaths

>> No.51907883

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQMCfqFr4XA
>yfw beethoven invented jazz before the blacks

>> No.51907976

>>51907883
>before blacks

>> No.51907981

>>51907883
Well he was black afterall

>> No.51908036

>>51907976
>>51907981
*tips historical revisionism*

>> No.51908088
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>>51908036
>Yes good goy, it's whites that are reinventing history

>> No.51908115
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>>51908088
>Yes good goy, Beethoven was black! Richard Longshanks too! All the vikings were black!

>> No.51908142

>>51907820
>>51907705
The real CLT is >>51907557 you retards.

>> No.51908156

>>51908142
fuck off Ame

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>>51908036
>wild afro-like hairs
>groovy rhythms
>skin so dark they called him the moor
>felt the need to fake being nobility to be taken seriously
>tall and intimidating stature
>huge dick
revisionism isn't a problem when it's right guys

>> No.51908232

>>51907847
>carter
>not an important composer
racism against people of african descents has to stop right here guys

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>> No.51908316

>>51907883
>Beethoven using Post-african repetitions
Further proof 'Thoven was the first degenerate

>> No.51908337

>>51908289
Rachmaninoff was actually 6'1" according to his passport.

It is Stravinsky who called him a "Six foot and a half scowl", but that's what it appeared to him anyway, cause he was very short himself.

>> No.51908349

>>51908289
>beethoven
>5'2''
white propaganda

>> No.51908381

>>51908349
Beethoven was actually 5'4"

>> No.51908387

>>51908167
Fuhrther proof that Beethoven's mother was black

>> No.51908414

>>51908167
>wild afro-like hairs
I have that and I'm white as shit.
>groovy rhythms
>implying blacks invented rhythm
>skin so dark they called him the moor
>dark complexion totally means he's black guys!
>felt the need to fake being nobility to be taken seriously
That's not the reason.
>tall and intimidating stature
Not true, he was 5'4", quite short and stocky.
>huge dick
Again so do I and I'm white.

>> No.51908438

>>51908316
fuck off CLT

>> No.51908526

How do I into opera, mu?

Seriously, I can't get into it. I've only tried the most entry-level shit as far as that goes, so I'm gonna ask you guys for recs. I like some of Mozart's and Berlioz's stuff when I last tried. At the very least give me some choral stuff.

I haven't enjoyed a lot of the vocal stuff classical music has to offer, but I got a hard on for strings. Romantic era stuff isn't my biggest cup of tea, but I think that's because I can't appreciate the choral stuff.

>my top composers
Chopin, Debussy, Mozart, and as funy as it mau seem Brahms
If it isn't obvious I'm still a baby.

>> No.51908552

>>51908414
>wild afro-like hairs
>I have that and I'm "white"
Jew detected

>> No.51908566

>>51908414
>white
>afro-like hairs
i've got bad news for you son
>so do I and I'm white.
[citation needed]

>> No.51908581

>>51908526
funny as it may*

>> No.51908635
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51908635

Speaking of 'Thoven I share with you what's in my opinion the best set of Sonatas ever recorded. This are the rare mono recordings of the early 50's by Wilhelm Backhaus, nowadays out of print.
https://mega.co.nz/#!tNAhCQDY!dGCOUmSgreN4MfSQXgmefp88zdM-o9OPQjnLFjkBzX0
https://mega.co.nz/#!BEhGRZgB!UiD-F7HsxVqN9lEK4ACuFgqph1nsmGJsP6MltgEUmI4
https://mega.co.nz/#!BIZQ3SrB!Lue1qfVr7oik3w2Wwf80uX1EEKVpiwtz7pGXKNosapQ

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While I'm at it I also share my favorite recordings of the quartets by the GOAT string ensemble in the late 50's.
https://mega.co.nz/#!pAQQHBjJ!ehJSB0YnWSal1rETFgU7tX6xm9TZL0V0fnPDt7A_3Fw
https://mega.co.nz/#!cJYlgSAZ!pPgVy2dTopB2zOQaoBMNHAQqbe59mS8-KVzw2lXKK2w
https://mega.co.nz/#!9ZpHCZhL!KBICcosj_E-OM07DyeBzCCZGtWmJSFTEqAzK-0JJ22k
https://mega.co.nz/#!ZRIHTJiZ!zd5q7NlWQPjWGw4GmhN3W23Ohj3FJwNDn-mA-t92yEg
https://mega.co.nz/#!8FohibwD!nIOIrcNriAzt8_P292cJ5EpSjAKn-KVYz2kdiUe7iSI
https://mega.co.nz/#!pcwQGJoR!EYtxYhZySwIvxOsvnZH7EP8SC6jYsmHy8t1mUsRD7iE

>> No.51908702

>>51908660
>goat string ensemble of the late 50s
>not the juilliard
pls anon

mite grab the backhaus tho

>> No.51908776

>>51908526
Strings you say? I would definitely look into Verdi.
Check out Nabucco and La Traviata and go from there.

Actually your best bet is to probably listen to a bunch of overtures and figure out which one you want to listen to from there.

Don't get too distracted by the voices, think of them as another instrument.

>> No.51908785

>>51908702
Their op. 131 is mediocre.

>> No.51908813

>>51908702
>juilliard
>goat
b8

>mite grab
>mite
c'mon son

>> No.51908822

>>51908289
>western europeans
when will they learn?

>> No.51908838

>>51908776
Thanks for the rec. I'll keep that in mind.

>> No.51908861

>>51908785
>>51908813
who cars about their beethoven its about their schoenberg their ives their bartok their carter: makes up for their poorer beethoven
>>51908813
prolly will in fact. havent gone through all his haydn yet but it's interesting at the very least

>> No.51908894

>>51908861
>but it's interesting at the very least
Backhaus is literally the greatest pianist ever recorded

>> No.51908922

what does /classical/ think of oistrakh's beethoven? Would it be worth picking up a recording of his violin sonatas?

>> No.51908970

>>51908922
haven't heard, should probably be a good idea though. specially if you aren't paying for it.

>> No.51909164

>>51907883
Chopin did better ragtime

>> No.51909199

>>51908861
>their schoenberg their ives their bartok their carter
they're decent recordings, though not first choices for me at all, their webern is also alright

>> No.51909295

>>51908922
if you aren't looking for best sound quality then it is a fine set. i assume you're talking about his beethoven violin sonatas with oborin

>> No.51909367

>>51909295
correct, I'm flexible as far as recording quality goes, but I remember hearing parts of his kreutzer and particularly liking his interpretation

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>>51908526
>Romantic opera

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikdl63DnMpA

>> No.51910213

>>51908526
>and as funny as it may seem Brahms
How is it funny?

>> No.51910293

okay fuckers who wrote the better impressionist/modernist string quartet, debussy or ravel?

>> No.51910356
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51910356

Just picked this up at Goodwill, excellent. It's amazing what these guys can do with only two instruments

>> No.51910419

>>51910293
Debussy, but Ravel's piano trio is better than both.

>> No.51910595
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>>51910356
>Rachmaninov
>Prokofiev
>Yo-Yo Ma
>Emanuel Ax
It's like you're looking to be made fun of

>> No.51910704

>>51910595

>muh arbitrary decision to deem them meme performers/composers, better agree with the groupthink

Stop

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>>51910704

>> No.51910796

>>51910293
ravel, but debussy's orchestral works are better

>> No.51910846

>>51910595
And what's wrong with any of those people?

>> No.51910904

>>51910846
>what's wrong with any of those people
you must be new here

>> No.51910912
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51910912

does this edgy bitch have to buy a new piano every time she finishes playing? i mean damn can you not, and i thought glenn ghoul had mood disorders

>> No.51910929

>>51910846
they make shit music

>> No.51910937

>>51910904
Yes I am, so please enlighten me.
>>51910929
Who should I be listening to?

>> No.51910972

>>51910937
>Who should I be listening to?
Good music

>> No.51911032

>>51910846

There isn't anything wrong with any of them. We're still suffering from the idiocy of now deceased tripfags who decided what was and was not acceptable to like. Don't pay them any attention.

>> No.51911079

>>51911032
>There isn't anything wrong with any of them
tep kok

>> No.51911095

>>51910912

>can you not

tumblr please begone.

>> No.51911123

>>51911079

I await your cutting and incisive analysis of exactly what is wrong with each of the people in question with bated breathe.

>> No.51911153

>>51911123
why bother

>> No.51911201

>>51911153

Because we like robust debating techniques, and you seem to be a master of said techniques.

>> No.51911245

>>51911201
no i'm not clt

>> No.51911268

>>51911245

I wasn't suggesting that you were.

>> No.51911716

I'm a sucker for soft/loud dynamics recomend me some piano sonatas? I liked Mozart's Piano Sonata no 11 for example.

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>>51908635
>>51908660
Last one

The wartime recordings of the 3-7 & 9 Symphonies by Furtwangler, with a great remastering making them sound like they were recorded yesterday

https://mega.co.nz/#!QExg1bbJ!Jb1G4T5BBiZObMeUwEeDoO8sw31Oc3sHnpLJPY7YZGc

>> No.51911853

>>51911716
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL0u9QXNvEg

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>>51911825

>> No.51912293

>>51909199
Hows their Ives and at l'East their Schoenberg 1 not your first choice?

>> No.51912479

>>51907847
One of the most important American composers of his time and he was incredibly active given his age.

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>>51909632
Further proof that La donna del lago is underrated.

>>51911825
I was going to ask how this was compared to Music & Arts' remastering but apparently this is theirs with new cover art.

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>>51912729
yeah, apparently this 9th was remastered in 2012 though

>> No.51914102

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk3sII8T-vY
This FUCKING "composition". Holy FUCKING shit. I've never heard something so fucking self consciously naive in my FUCKING live. This is the worst FUCKING meme shit I've ever FUCKING heard. I can just imagine the smug FUCKING smirk on that little Russian's FUCKING Harry Potter mug, that goddamn fucking fuckface. The sheer goddamn audacity of it I can't even imagine. This the worst meme shit written since Art of the Fugue. That fucking bassoon, how the fuck did he write that and how the fuck does anyone play that with dying from their own pompousness and head up their fucking ass. And then those fucking oboes, don't even get me fucking started. And then THAT FUCKING PIANO ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME those octaves have to be the worst goddamn insult to music ever written on paper. Fuck I am literally trembling with rage right now.

>> No.51914162

>>51914102
top o the mornin to ya

>> No.51914163

>>51914102
man, stop, it never had any potential

>> No.51915639
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>> No.51915701

>>51903128
>implying Tchaikovsky isn't the GOAT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rapf3g_XvCc

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>>51915701
>Tchaikovsky
>good
You must be new here

>> No.51915790

>>51915749
What the fuck is wrong with Tchaikovsky?

I didn't know /classical/ had it's own memes.

Nice.

>> No.51916006

>>51915790
lurk more faggit

>> No.51916121

>>51915749
Explain to me why he isn't good

>> No.51916133

>>51916121
>le firetruck meme

>> No.51916143

>>51916006
I'm not gonna "lurk moar" for a subset of an already meme-saturated board.

>> No.51916222
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I really, really, really like this picture

>> No.51916258

>>51907108
His overtures are pretty based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A74nG-Aq07k

inb4 >bernstein

>>51908526
Ideally find some videos/dvds with subtitles.
Don Giovanni, Barber of Seville, Bluebeard's Castle, Salome... all good shit. Verdi is based too.

>>51911032
This. Prokofiev, Rachmaninoff and Yo-yo Ma are all top tier.

>>51915639
I had to, like, let some of the blues blood come out, to show dem

>>51916121
They have nothing. Tchaikovsky is one of the romantic masters. Indisputably.

>> No.51916275

What is your opinion of Baroque music? Probably my two favorite composers are Vivaldi and Bach. I've been listening to some Telemann lately too. My friend told me Stravinsky's Rite of Spring is basically baroque 2.0 but I really can't get into it.

>> No.51916310

if your criticism of anything involves the word "meme," ironically or not, you can go FUCK YOURSELF

>> No.51916320

>>51903128
>implying Handel will ever write a chorus as good as Gott der Herr ist Sonn und Schild
>implying Handel will ever write a soprano aria as good as Bete aber auch dabei
>implying Handel will ever write an alto aria as good as stirb in mir
>imlplying Handel will ever write a tenor aria as good as Ich traue seiner Gnaden
>implying Handel will ever write a bass aria as good as Ich will den Kreuzstab gerne tragen
>implying Handel will ever write a soprano-alto duet as good as Du wahrer Gott und Davids Sohn
>implying Handel will ever write a soprano-tenor duet as good as Ehre sei Gott in der Höhe
>implying Handel will ever write an alto-tenor duet as good as O Menschenkind
>implying Handel will ever write a tenor-bass aria as good as Ein unbegreiflich Licht
>implying Handel will ever write a soprano-bass aria as good as Wann kommst du, mein Heil?
>implying Handel will ever write a terzett as good as Wenn meine Trübsal als mit Ketten

>OP listens to selected highlights from SMP and Messiah
>thinks he knows Bach and Handel

>> No.51916322

>>51916275
Listen to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0pUCBJO1r8

>> No.51916347 [DELETED] 

>>51916310
you sound meme-frustrated anon-san

>> No.51916350

>>51916275
Baroque is great. Try Purcell, Corelli, Ramaeu, Handel, maybe some Monteverdi earlier styles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nB_EdstJFY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brvlUVIVyis

Rite of Spring is pretty far from baroque, both in harmony, rhythm, and transitions. It tends to cut from one idea to another, wheras baroque music joins the ideas into a flawless whole.

>> No.51916372

>>51916350
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k-HSrncTOY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fraubogbQkc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwndvoeCXos

>> No.51916380

>>51916322

It just doesn't really do anything for me. I kind of feel similar to this piece the way I do about imprivisatory jazz. I can appreciate it on an intellectual level, but emotionally it just doesn't work for me.

>> No.51916387

>>51916350
>It tends to cut from one idea to another, wheras baroque music joins the ideas into a flawless whole
listen to this >>51916322

>> No.51916403

>>51916380
Listen to it until you get it then

>> No.51916405

>>51916320
>no Tochter Zion
dropped

>> No.51916413

>>51916380
Don't worry about getting into the rite of spring yet, its a weird acquired taste that you should look into when discovering early 20th C music.
When you do get around to learning about what happened after Wagner, try a version with the original choreography and sets:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF1OQkHybEQ
makes much more sense with the ballet

>> No.51916415

>>51916403

lol ok I'll keep trying

>> No.51916428

>>51916372

that Purcell is great stuff

>> No.51916437

>>51916415
get this and play on repeat
https://mega.co.nz/#!dFhGSJJa!FAY_a01MDgZ-kRR17H9xvstH5Nh253Xry7hsQ0Sj3ZU

>> No.51916439

>>51916428
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyieyUw3GXk

>> No.51916810
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51916810

Why is it so fucking good bros?

>> No.51916910

>>51916439
wow that was incredible. thanks for sharing anon

>> No.51916979

>>51916810
History's greatest battle rap

>> No.51917263
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51917263

I would hope some of you pay attention to classical guitar composers here and there, it's brilliant stuff.
For now I'd like to divert your attention to a contemporary piece for the guitar composed by Carlo Domeniconi called Koyunbaba.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5zametsMzvU

Lots of interesting techniques in the song. It avoids being too obscure while being unique.

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51917297

>>51917263
>guitar

>> No.51917349
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51917349

>>51917297

>> No.51917374

>>51917263
Did you like Berio's Sequenza XI?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVNuchg0gkQ

>> No.51917409
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51917409

>there are people on /classical/ RIGHT NOW who unironically pronounce Purcell as "purr-sell" instead of "per-sil"

>> No.51917435

>>51917374
The flamenco strumming is rather obnoxious, open strings and everything.
Have a look at Simon Powel's Constellations sometime, that's much less annoying.

>> No.51917554

> Liszt - The Concertos / Barenboim; Boulez
Is this the new Gould/Bernstein Brahms piano concerto 1?

>> No.51917980

>>51917374
Leo Brouwer's Parabola is a obscure as I'll go.
It sounds almost coherent at times, reading the sheet music for it is a nightmare though.

>> No.51918418

>>51907883
get ready for an extremely but lighthearted banter that you can say when this even come into discussion

"It makes you wonder huh, that one would have be deaf to compose such music " hahha

>> No.51918741

>>51916275
your friend is retarded bro

>Biber
>Corelli
>Purcell
>Schütz
>Schmelzer
>Albinoni
>Buxtehude
>Locatelli

all worth the ruse cruise that is barautism

>> No.51919581

>>51916258
>inb4 >bernstein
Why do people hate Bernstein again?

>> No.51919664

>>51919581
talentless hack, degenerate conductor.

>> No.51919712

>>51919581

Because it's a better measure of your patricianhood if you insult well-known conductors.

In some cases, yes, the 'big' names of conducting (particular Karajan and Bernstein) are overrated; some of their recordings are far from the definitive version but since they're so well-known, people assume that they are automatically the best. However the general knee-jerk reaction against 'popular things' on /classical/ can get tiresome sometimes.

>> No.51919846

>>51919712
>Because it's a better measure of your patricianhood if you insult well-known conductors
(Not true, by the way)

>> No.51920987

>>51908526
Try the most popular ones, such as Tosca (actually, any Puccini opera), Carmen, la Traviata (although IMO its highly overated)

>> No.51921318

Grieg and Ravel have nice string quartets. I like them. :)

>> No.51921560

>>51903456
Indeed... His self-referential emergent fractal genius such delectable, wine and cheese to the mind...

>> No.51921592

>>51918418
"It makes you wonder huh, that one would have be deaf to compose such music " hahha

>> No.51922650

Does anyone recognize this? I've had this little fragment stuck in my head all day.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1WpqHXUmTOu

>> No.51922877

>>51916320
Handel has done pretty much all of that. He is unquestionably the superior vocal composer.

>> No.51923443
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51923443

>>51917263
>left handed classical guitar

>> No.51923798
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51923798

>>51922877
>Handel has done pretty much all of that.
>He is unquestionably the superior vocal composer.

>> No.51923836

>>51919581
Mostly rapes the pieces he conducts.

eg the Symphonie Fantastique was a total violation of the most basic human rights an artist like Berlioz must have --- the interpretation was so far away from the original, it should be yclept a new work and sued for plagiarism.

>> No.51923875

>>51923836
Also, his music is terrible and he's jewish.

>> No.51923912

>>51923875
>and he's jewish
/pol/ pls

>> No.51923955

>>51923836
>>51923875
>hating the greatest ambassador of classical music to the public the 20th century ever saw
pls kill yourself

>> No.51923968

>>51923875
>and he's jewish.
And there we go

>> No.51923982

>>51923955
The public with its too too sullied taste may be but a shame onto art music.

Art is art because the people don't enjoy it.

>> No.51924047

>>51923982
my point still stands faggot. he's the reason a lot of people of the previous two or three generations got into art music. he popularized music that just would have been heard, either by lack of exposure or just ignorance. don't soapbox when you're platform has holes in it from the get go

>> No.51924063

>>51908167
>messy hair, so afro
>dotted rhythms, so groovy
>came from a poor farmer family (hint: van Beethoven = from beetroot fields), so black
>couldn't get a single chick to fuck him, such a big dick

>> No.51924096

>>51910912
>i have a skull nearby because it's dead as my heart and sharp as my edges

>> No.51924104

>>51903177
want it

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51924182

>>51915790
>I didn't know /classical/ had it's own memes.

>> No.51924252

>>51923982
>Art is art because the people don't enjoy it.
we're talking about modern art or art in general?

>> No.51924267
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51924267

>>51917297
>I don't like Asturias (Leyenda)

>> No.51924287

>>51924047
Getting more people into art music only further turns art into commodity. I don't want middle-class 9 to 5 people listening to classical music. They consume it, they enjoy it. It's one more commodity, it's just money turning into sound.

Nothing else. That's what he did.

>> No.51924299

>>51919581
He thinks Beethoven's seventh symphony is uncreative shit.

>> No.51924321

>>51923912
>>51923968
SDF pls

>> No.51924397

>>51924287
>I don't want middle-class 9 to 5 people listening to classical music
Jesus christ is it possible to get more pretentious?

>> No.51924414

>>51917263
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d95nEjJUPMw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjR3mTbwPCo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taFnhVz4Rw

>> No.51924495

>>51924287
god you're fucking insufferable. i bet you have no friends. go listen to ferneyhough and fuck your own face

>> No.51924501

>>51917263
>dem monkey cheers at the end

>> No.51924524

>>51924287
Amen brother. Glad to see you're back.

>> No.51924548

>>51924414
>Tarek Afifi
Eww, sandniggers

>> No.51924561

>>51923798
Further proof that Bachsuckers are delusional.

>> No.51924694

>>51924063
>couldn't get a single chick to fuck him
No, he just couldn't get any to marry him. He probably had sex all the time.

>> No.51925038

>>51924495
>getting mad at Tallis
>nearing 2015

>> No.51925913

>>51924694
>this denial

>> No.51926110

>>51925913
>this not knowing anything about Beethoven

>> No.51926477
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51926477

>>51926110
>claims beethoven was black and had sex all the time
>accuses others of not knowing anything about him

>> No.51926607

am I pretentious for thinking most people are wasting their time by not listening to classical music the majority of the time?

>> No.51926667

>>51905487
My friend has won nearly 3 or 4 Grammies in his sextet Eighth Blackbird.

>> No.51926706

>>51926477
>things I didn't even say

>> No.51926742

>Ladwig Van b8-oven

>> No.51926765

>>51926607
Probably a bit. A bit of pretentiousness is fine though.

>> No.51926985

>>51926607
no, just elitist

>> No.51927615

>>51926706
>He probably had sex all the time
>b-but I didn't say he had sex all the time

>> No.51927654

>>51927615
You are a special breed of retard. I never said he was black, dingus.

>> No.51927671

>>51926607
>wasting their time
Well it depends on their devotion to music.
If they claim to love music, then they are absolutely wasting their time.
Otherwise, nah. Some people don't watch movies, some people don't listen to music.

>> No.51927703

>>51924287
Blessed Tallis, may he protect us from the relativists.

>> No.51927734

>>51923875
>his music is terrible
top bandwagon hate

>> No.51927746

>>51927654
Doesn't matter, you still argued for the guy who did. We're in an anonymous imageboard, what a specific user said doesn't matter. If you want others to know what exactly you said and didn't say, just adopt a trip.

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51927880

post ur /classical/ waifu

>> No.51927895

>>51923875
Further proof that Bernstein's Mass is underrated.

>> No.51927920
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>>51927880

>> No.51927926

>>51926477
>taking trolling about beethoven being black seriously
oh /pol/ so gullible

>> No.51927943

>>51927880
Clara Schumann
Fanny Mendelssohn

>> No.51927946
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51927946

>>51927880
I'm not posting the QT at my Uni
jk
idk let's go with Laura Ferreres

>> No.51928006

>>51927920
what's his name?

captcha: Nicholas yualloa

>> No.51928107

>>51928006
keks galore

>> No.51928283

>>51927671
>if they claim to love music, then they are absolutely wasting their time

there is quite a lot of wonderful music out there that doesn't fall under the realm of classical.

>> No.51928333

>>51928283
No, there's not.

>> No.51928353

>>51928283
That music doesn't really have any effect outside of its own stagnant bubble though.

>> No.51928375

IF YOU THINK ITS TIME TO FUCKIN ROCK
AND FUCKIN ROLL
OUT OF CONTROL

>> No.51928379

>>51928283
let's hear it

>> No.51928392

>>51928333
improvisation from the past few decades that draws influence from 20th century composed music rather than jazz, and a plethora of traditional folk and classical in non-western cultures.

>>51928353
I'll give you that in regards to improvisation.

>> No.51928441

>>51928392
>I'll give you that in regards to improvisation

I'll give you the lack of effect, but I don't agree with stagnant*

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51928463

>>51928392
>improvisation

>> No.51928482

>>51928441
The bubble requires input from outer forces (artmusic) in order to advance.

>> No.51928546

>>51928482
I partially agree - the input is vague influence rather than directly appropriating styles and musical devices. Regardless, that doesn't negate the value of the music.

when considering "love of music", that necessarily involves music in its totality in my opinion. lacking the creativity to find music outside of classical rewarding is no sign of love.

>> No.51928558

>>51928463
composed music was improvised at some point.

>> No.51928568

>>51928463
>classical music fan
>looks down on improvisation
go away you disgusting modern creation

>> No.51928592

>>51928463
all of the great composers could and would improvise

>> No.51928599

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnwAeVNdZmU
How does Beethoven manage to make scales sound so tender?

>> No.51928634

>>51928558
seriously. i can't compose from just writing shit down. i have to play what's in my head and improve from there. people who look down on improv don't know how music works

>> No.51928642

>>51928546
>Regardless, that doesn't negate the value of the music.
It negates the importance of it in terms of what a person should be listening to in terms of "important" music.

>> No.51928661

>>51928634
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_skCmkwnMgs
How does Mozart manage to make scales sound so tender?

>> No.51928690

>>51928661

I never thought the rondo was that tender, just playful and jolly (as is the case with most rondos)

But he can make scales sound tender when he wants

>> No.51928721

>>51928690
yeah I mean I considered the Allegro but I was lazy and didn't want to have to get the specific time to start at

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51928742

>>51927880

>> No.51928787

>>51928642
importance is really difficult to gauge in hindsight, let alone with the limited perspective of the present. try testing the importance of western classical music in the many non-western cultures that have little to no exposure to it...it's not really relevant to 'love of music', which is what I was responding to.

I brought of improvised music from the past few decades because of breadth of influences it draws from. little music is as global in influences and musicians involved.

traditional folk and non-western classical music speak for themselves

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>>51928721
>he doesn't know from memory the exact time anything happened in every single recording he's heard
casules itc
>>51928742
pic

>> No.51928810

>>51928787
brought up*

>> No.51928817

>>51928798
gross

>> No.51928840

>>51928798
plz Taxes I was looking at the random Shiffrin recording on YT ;(

>> No.51928902
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51928902

>>51928817
>gross
oh you fucker ill fight you pic related its me

>> No.51928904
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>>51927880
Hildegard von Bingen was a legit hottie.

>> No.51928930

>>51928902
what happened to his torso?

>> No.51928940

>>51928904
von bingen worshiping has to stop. it's not even good music

>> No.51928955

>you will never hear Bach improvise a fugue
What is even the point of living?

>> No.51928972

>>51928940
We're not talking about music, too busy objectifying.

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>>51928904

>> No.51928996

>>51928940
Carter isn't even good music fag.

>> No.51928997

>>51928940
>le patriarchy face

>> No.51929084
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51929084

>>51928930
too muscled and pants above his belly i think
>>51928972
she was a disgusting nutjob and was probably ugly and malnourished. never trust paintings/drawings pic related

>> No.51929138
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>>51928997
hawk lady >>>> jesus lady

music wise at least

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51929329

>>51927926
>le trole face xD

>> No.51929357

>>51928661
>clarinet concerto
obligatory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbUqKvpmPfU

>> No.51929500
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>>51929329
>thinking someone talking about beethoven's dick is being serious
is it autist central

i mean i can explain all the subtext going on if you need it: no discrimination itc

>> No.51929520

>>51928599
Because harmonic minor a best.
Also
>barrengoyim

>> No.51929528

What's a good recording of Beethoven's missa solemnis?

>> No.51929568

>>51929500
>is it autist central
Says carterfag who namefags as physicists.

>> No.51929577

>He brought the musical genre that saw and invoked the most profound social change in his country full-circle, back to the roots of its origin and into new depths it hadn't previously explored.

>Oh, and he could play a guitar solo using his teeth instead of a pick. What does Mozart have on that... playing the piano upside-down?

lql

>> No.51929618

>>51929528

Harnoncourt or Klemperer.

I think there's an Ormandy one in the big mega folder as well.

>> No.51929708

>>51929520
Say what you want, only video I found of just the fourth movement

>> No.51929753

>>51929528
for stereo recordings, kegel, klemps, or a live bernstein recording with the BSO

>> No.51929806

>>51929357
splendid
could use more drums though

>> No.51929868

>>51929806

This. After the first movement, you just feel the lack of dat former-yugoslav percussion in your soul

>> No.51929948

Händel representin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1xvOBlhzXs

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>>51929357
>his grandson wears a tracksuit

>> No.51930898

>>51929568
oh wow, you truly destroyed me there friend

>> No.51931242

This thread is shit, but >>51910912 is probably the worst post. Getting mad at Yudina, tsk tsk

>>51929528
Good mono recordings: Toscanini 1940, Toscanini 1953 Live, Horenstein/BBC

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51931313

>>51931242
Have you started on that paper yet?

>> No.51931806
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51931806

>>51931242
Don't pretend you don't see me you lazy jew cunt.

>> No.51931909

>>51931313
>>51931806
It's not a paper, it's an essay at best.

I haven't started, mostly because I've been busy with other work and because the person I'm writing it with is tied up with the production of the current issue of the magazine.

I did see you, I was just too busy marveling at that trainwreck of a theory thread.

>> No.51931942

>>51931909
That one Tallis posted in?
Ya, that's a pretty bad thread.

>> No.51932109

>>51931942
The parallel fifths piece is pretty cool though.

It's adorable how people believe there to be only one kind of tonal logic.

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>>51927880

Hannigan is a modern-day polymath

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSAsn9u3e8U

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51932309

Saw this on /lit/ earlier, what does this reference?

>> No.51932391

>>51932309
he spends an entire essay talking about rugs

>> No.51932394

>>51932309
>Feldman also liked to compare his long pieces to Asian rugs, for which he had a passion. The rugs that interested him most were ones which were irregular in their symmetries. That phrase, "irregular symmetries," has an odd ring, but one will discover in it an apt description of many rug styles of Central Asia (not Chinese rugs and not Indian rugs). Looking quickly at rugs from the Uzbek, or from the Turkomans (Tekke, Saryk and Yomud), one sees the same patterns repeated throughout a space, and the impression is strong that the result is symmetrical. However, closer examination reveals, to use one specific example, that an inverted candlelabrum shape along the borders is repeated eighteen times on one side and nineteen times on the other, and further, the colors do not match up. [30] Similarly, in the same rug, the central square is comprised of patterns which look the same, but are in fact composed of small variations among the details.
http://www.cnvill.net/mfgldstn.htm

>> No.51932593
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51932593

What are your fave Haydn Compositions? I love love love symphony 6 in particular :3

>> No.51932655

Schumann is pretty good man. He lacks that extra, but still good.

>> No.51932752

>>51932593
string quartets op. 76

>>51932655
what are you listening to?

>> No.51932860

>>51932593

The Seasons

>> No.51932925

>>51932655
Imo he's amazing at smaller things as opposed to larger groups. In his defense, his very number of concertos / symphonies / operas suggests he didn't really care to. But even, in his concertos in particular, he seems to be clinging to the soloist and keeping the others more silent

>> No.51932958

>>51932752
>what are you listening to?
It was supposed to be a reply to >>51907108. I'm not actually listening to Schumann right now. I'm listening to BWV 229

>> No.51933023

>>51932394
That's deep, man.

>> No.51933342

>>51932925
CLT says he's a GOAT symphonist though, ayy lmao

>> No.51934283
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51934283

Why is Ravel's chamber music so GOAT?

currently listening to his piano trio

>> No.51934287 [DELETED] 

So I've avoided Harry for so long and now I'm trying to get into him, but I'm looking to get some historical performances of his symphonies, so far I got Stokowski's 5-7 from the 30's and I'm getting a set of Mravinsky

Are these good choices or what should I know about?

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51934330

So I've avoided Harry for so long and now I'm trying to get into him, but I'm looking to get some historical performances of his symphonies, so far I got Stokowski's 5-7 from the 30's and I'm getting a set of Mravinsky,

Are these good choices or what should I know about?

>> No.51934569

>>51933342
He's not the GOAT, but he's one of the GOATs of the 19th century.

>> No.51934754

>>51934283
i think its because he brings a new freshness to the formality of classical/romantic chamber music. the harmonies he can come up with are amazing

>> No.51934761

>>51934569
sure, clt

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51934767

>>51927880

>> No.51934779

>>51908526
I've been rocking Rossini all day. Give him a shot. The key is to find songs that you think would be fun to sing yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKDXr_fimQ8

>tfw no good FLAC rips of The Barber of Seville

>> No.51934791

>>51934761
>that opinion
>unpopular
You need to spend time away from /classical/.

>> No.51934891

>>51934791
>schumann being one of the best symphonists of the 19th cenutry is a popular opinion
okay, clt

>> No.51935000

>>51934569
>one of the GOATs
I can definitely agree to this,

>> No.51935039

>>51934891
List ten who are better.

>> No.51935195

>>51935039
Bruckner
Dvorak
Schubert
Mendelssohn
Brahms
Mahler
Berlioz
Borodin
Tchaikovsky
Franck
Saint-Saens

>> No.51935204

>>51934891
See:
>>51935039

>> No.51935217

>>51935204
see
>>51935195

>> No.51935289

>>51935217
See:
>>51935204

>> No.51935314

>>51935195
>Schubert
ATTEMPTS TO LOOK UPON SCHUBERT

>> No.51935339

>>51935289
see
>>51917349

>> No.51935347

>>51935195
>Bruckner
>Dvorak
No.
Just no.
NO.

>> No.51935358

>>51935339
see
>>51908156

>> No.51935366

>>51935347
>being a pleb

>> No.51935367

>>51935289
see
>>51923875

>> No.51935375

>>51903177
i don't remember making this post

>> No.51935385

>>51935339
See:
>>51935366

>> No.51935402

>>51935375
Literally who are you.

>> No.51935416
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51935416

>>51935385
see
>>51935375
and then see
>>51903177
and then see
>>51907584
>>51910846
and i guess you can look at
>>51923443
and then finally look at pic related

>> No.51935427

>>51903177
>there will never be a Schubert/Beethoven gay fanfic

>> No.51935435

>>51935402
u already know my guy

>> No.51935438

>>51935375
>>51935416
You really are among the worst

>> No.51935460

>>51935438
wow dude i thought we were niggas

>> No.51935465
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51935465

Is this a thread for classical or for anal?

>> No.51935490

>>51935465
I thought those two were the same thing.

>> No.51935493

>>51935347
fucking pleb

>> No.51935622

>>51935493
Bruckner sucks, and Dvorak is cheesy as fuck.

>> No.51935697

>>51935195
I said ten who are BETTER.

>> No.51935701

>>51935622

very informed, nuanced opinion

>> No.51935770

>>51935622
try again
>>51935697
and i gave you 11, could've gone on though

>> No.51935808

>>51935701
>>51935770
I-I'm serious.

>> No.51935842

>>51935427
>there will never be a Schubert/Beethoven gay fanfic
Pff. Schubert should obviously be the subject of a bugchasing fic, whereas Beethoven should be subjected to merciless NTR, ideally at the hands of George Bridgetower.

>> No.51935899

>>51935842
cuck pls go

>> No.51936263

>>51935770
>and i gave you 11
(not true, by the way)

>> No.51936290
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51936290

>>51935842
>Yes goy, white people should be cuckolds!
inb4
>Bad goy, Beethoven was black! Or do you think the Vikings weren't black either?

>> No.51936388

Some more ideas for fics

Brahms: Shota at a whorehouse
Wagner: Cross-dressing/feminization
Scriabin: Bloodplay

>> No.51936396

>>51936290
>yes faggot, believe jews are trying to eradicate all other races in place of their own despite the fact that jews are so few in number that that's impossible for them to ever achieve.

I bet you honestly believe anime exists to stop people from reproducing

>> No.51936420

>>51936396
I don't know what other reason anime could exist for.

>> No.51936734

someone make new thread

>> No.51936749

New thread.
>>51935892
>>51935892
>>51935892

>> No.51937328

>>51936388
>Wagner: Cross-dressing/feminization
>not being dominated by a jewess

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