ITT: phrases that annoy you."good music."
>Magnum Opus
"goose music"
>meme-genre
>wankery>soulless>cheesy>doesn't go anywhere>sounds like x mixed with y
>>51471758"indie rock"
>>51471758"All of a sudden..."
"Jenny Death when"
>>51471810as opposed to "alternative rock"
>>51471758>real music
>white person with acoustic guitar>folk
>>51471804Prog fan detected
>>51471804>>wankery>someone says he doesn't like jazz>i ask why>HURR DURR IZ ALL WANKERYit's truly the worst
>>51471810>>51471824>like bands like The Walkmen and The National>someone asks what music i listen to>push "indie rock" through my teethWhat other label can I put on this, since "indie rock" doesn't really mean anything anymore? "Alternative" is outdated, and I feel people think of mainstream acts from the late 90s that got lots of radio play when they hear that word, and "rock" is too broad.
>I like every genre except for X>Essential listening
>>51471821as opposed to all of the sudden?>>51471758Rockismdad-rockfedora-corei dont even listen to much classic rock i just think the phrases are stupid
>>51471882sadboy guitar pop
phrases that annoy you
ITT
"kanye west is a genius"
>>51471887>>Essential listeningthis so much>you must kneel before the sacred cow because some music journalists gave them good reviews fourty years ago and a bunch of then-upcoming musicians tried to sound like them
>overrated/underrated>pretentious>memerap, memealbum, etc.>meme>alternative
>>51471906Even though Jack Black was referring to Belle & Sebastian in that scene in High Fidelity, I do often refer to what I listen to as "Sad Bastard music."
>>51471951even betterthis or "Hipster bullshit", followed by a shit-eating grin
>>51471823unhid this post from my filter to agree with you.
"ITT"
>>51471804thisfucking hate reading "cheesy" everytime i come to /mu/, like what the fuck.
>>51471950These, except alternative. It is basically a meaningless word, but I really don't see anyone use it anymore, so it doesn't bug me. If people still used it, I could see it grating.Also, anyone using a Pitchfork/Scarufi/Fantano review to shut down someone's opinion, whether positive or negative.
>>51471758> sophisticated music is good music and that music is western classical made by white men this is the only good music>"enjoyment is a shallow form of appreciation"
"pig out"disgusting.
The
>fact
>>51472191*inhales*
that
>>51472213>that
>>51472191Fuck you.
>>51471901as opposed to "suddenly"
>>51471758Normally, I would call you a faggot, so I will.>Faggot>commit sudoku>delete system 32>walk the dinosaur
>>51472274eveything has changed
>>51472280epic meme
>I don't like metal
>>51472335>>I don't like [genre]
>>51471804>liking plastic in your ears>being a part of the loudness wars problem>not liking live musicsymphonic meal child detected
"Now THAT'S REAL MUSIC"
real dubstep
>>51472391>Now that's what I call music
>generic>bland>overrated>derivative>tryhard>boring>uninterestingunless these are said about tycho
>>51472456Depending upon the social context, that might be useful to distinguishThere's so much room in between what it was then and what it is popularly considered now that I wouldn't mind hearing it dropped at all tbh
>>51472496>>derivativethis
>>51472496
> I like every genre except rap!!1
>>51472536>I listen to every genre except Country
>>51472529if you actually use those terms seriously please leave
>>51472382yfw chefs start using musical terms for their celebrity tv shows...>that was a simply symphonic meal. started off piano, I experienced taste crescendos and then it finished off with a ritardando of smooth warm soulful notes of flavour to linger in your mouth, body, and mind.
Derivative is a great description. How else do you communicate that a band has latched onto the success of their idols and relies on that as the source for all of their shallow creativity?
>>51472567It's the fact that the term is usually used as the only criticism of a band, and that it is used so frequently and often incorrectly that probably pisses people off.
>>51472295ah-ahhh-ahhh-ahhhahhhh ah-ah-ahh
>>51472517yup. all music is derivative. So what if Green Day wasn't the first to play 3 chords with an abrasive voice. They do it well.*awaits shitstorm for mentioning Green Day*
>>51472558Every single word you used, except for overrated, is useful in many musical contexts.
>>51472611criticism not being one of them
>>51472599>"abrasive voice">using asterisks to indicate current actionstraight back to reddit for you
>>51472633Criticism being all of them, His Eldergay Tripfaggotness.
>>51472599>green dayyou asked for it
>>51472100>>51472599>>51472611Checkin those digits.>"I only like songs with lyrics">"I just listen to whatever's on the radio"
>objective>subjective
>>51472665Please explain how "tryhard" is a legitimate criticism.
>real hip-hop
>rocker
>>51472680Those are memes with literally as much meaning as um or uh.
>>51472685no true scotsman
>this isn't even in english, why are you listening to it?
>music
>>51472716:^) *tiips fedora*
>>51472683>implies inaccurate derivation that focuses on intensifying and replicating a few, many or all elements of the progenitor that ultimately does not fulfill the intentions of the original music or oversteps its bounds in the attempt itself
>>51472100>pointing toards the ethnicity/country of residence or origin/gender/social status of a musician whilst criticizing themthis is seriously the worstworse than putting "artist" or similar in quotes>>51472382where did say any of that, or did you just accidentally link my post>>51472496this this this
>>51472746Maybe that's what you imply but no one infers that.
>or nah
>>51472711literally who?
>>51472778Maybe you don't infer that because you prefer to see buzzwords as buzzwords instead of looking into the underlying implications. It's not hard.
>>51472782>Finna
>>51472806No, it's more like no one else uses those buzzwords that way. They usually refer to their image when they say they're tryhard. If that's what you think it implies, then surely you've seen how many times it's wrongly used.
>>51472746exactlythat is a bullshit non-criticism>muh authenticity
>artist flowchartBitch it's supposed to be chronological. See how the artist progresses.
>>51472829>>51472829>>51472829
>>51472829stop posting thanks
>>51472819Then why not call them out? You seem to enjoy debating on /mu/, especially when you throw out bait like Tycho.>>51472823What is a bullshit non-criticism?
>>51472782>bruh
>>51472857>Then why not call them out?I do. It just happens so often that the people who use it the way you do are in the very very small minority so the phrase itself annoys me.>especially when you throw out bait like TychoThat was just a joke. I'm guilty of using those terms to describe Tycho because I see no other way to.
>>51472842>>51472829>Bitch it's supposed to be chronological. See how the artist progresses.>Bitch it's supposed to be>Bitch
>>51472857>What is a bullshit non-criticism?the entirety of the post?ýou're basically saying "it's not as good as something similar that came before it and/because it tries something similar"that's non sequitur
>ultimate chillout
>>51472829bitch ain't nobody got time for that
>>51472900Just curious, do you really think everyone that says 'tryhard' on /mu/ is trolling? I hardly ever see it used in that sense, and generally see it used in a serious sense. If I don't know the area of music being discussed, I'll be wary, but if I know the area I'll be able to distinguish. Do you not have a good troll radar or something? How long have you been on here?>>51472930You probably didn't read the comment chain.
>>51472364dis
>>51472966Why the fuck do you think a word becomes a "buzzword"? People overuse it to the point of inaccuracy.
>>51472987Truth in every lie, Mr. Tripfag. Legitimate buzzwords become such because people recognize a new way to describe something they're already familiar with in an accurate fashion that sheds more light on the nature of the thing itself. Then, there are troll buzzwords, like 'memerap.' The buzzword 'tryhard' is a legitimate criticism.
>>51473043Do you believe everything people on here say or...?
trap influenced beats
Think it's been said already, but pretentious.
>>51473061No. I have a well-tuned troll radar, as I mentioned. I can also take a joke. We're on 4chan, after all.
>>51473089Clearly you can't, since you got so butthurt about my Tycho joke.
>>51473080Yes. I can't even watch Fandango's hip hop reviews anymore because of it.
>>51473105Where did I ever imply I was upset about you using Tycho as bait?
>>51473168When you implied it was bait.
>>51473174Bait isn't a normative statement of "this artist is good," are you dense? Tycho happens to be relatively polarizing because some worship him as the god of chillout electronic music but others, like you, see him as bland. Which is a legitimate criticism, as I have defended.
>>51473174shutup tripshit noone cares what u think
>>51473205Yes, and my joke about him wasn't meant to incite rage in the former group. Thus it's not bait.
>>51473205>>51473217at least wait a while after the post timer ends
>>51473224>>51473233lol, like one second?
>>51471758I honestly think that 9 out of 10 people who use this phrase use it in the "in my opinion good music" sense rather than "objectively good music". At some point it just gets annoying to have to clarify that it's an opinion with everything you say.
>>51473251I'm not the one pretending to be two people, fucko.
>>51473224Kek. The interesting thing about this is that you end up agreeing with me that the words you initially discarded as non-criticisms like 'bland' and 'derivative' are actually legitimate, given that your reference to Tycho is now apparently _not_ bait, but instead legitimate dislike using those exact words. Might want to stop posting.
>>51473261Yeah normal people can pick up in a conversation when you mean objective facts or subjective opinions. However most denizens of /mu/ are cripplingly autistic and can't pick up on that and assumes no one else can either.
>>51473269They're subjective descriptors disguised as objective. They're not legitimate criticisms.
>>51471941he's very good at being a popstar, but by no means a genius. honestly kanye might've destroyed the future of hip hop with his pop rap.
>>51473293First of all, you're backpedaling instead of just taking one for the tripcode and admitting you're wrong and have been had. Second of all, no rational person worth conversing with would tell someone that music criticism is objective.
>>51473265lol, I'm actually a different person, only one of the people you replied to.>>51473217 (You)at least wait a while after the post timer ends^ I'm (You)
>>51473337>you're backpedalingHow? That was my point the entire time.>taking one for the tripcodeWhy are you so fixated on this?>Second of all, no rational person worth conversing with would tell someone that music criticism is objective.You can describe the music in an objective way that reveals what you dislike subjectively.
>>51473361because you're creating an identity on a mongolian string bean photo forum is silliness, and either trolling, or attention-seeking of a different sort.
>>51473361The backpedaling occurred after I pointed out that you ended up using the exact initial words you supposedly dislike in music criticism to illustrate your dislike for Tycho, which you said is not bait.I'm not fixated on your tripcode. It's pretty common practice to heckle tripfags for having one, but after a post or two we got down to real conversation. You just have to weather it.You cannot describe something objectively that implies subjectivity. "This piece is in a minor key" does not imply depressing, etc. it is simply a statement of fact.
>objectivelyMotherfucker music is subjective. For every person that upholds a song for a reason they deem objectively superior, ten more will call it objectively awful for that same reason. It's just a way for pretentious faggots to pretend their taste in music is somehow of higher quality than the rest.
>>51472280return to /b/ please
>>51473436>music is subjectiveThis is what insecure plebeians believe.
>>51473431No, it's not bait; it's a joke. Learn the difference.>You cannot describe something objectively that implies subjectivity.Someone could say "I dislike the disjointedness of the album because it detracts from its consistency" when something is intentionally disjointed while someone else says "I like the disjointedness of the album because it adds to its chaotic nature."
>>51472280>>51473456https://www.google.com/search?q=1412204288634sholy shit this guy really is a /b/tard
>>51472545."and classical"this
>>51473487shutup tripfag no-one cares what you think.
>>51473477Sorry, can't hear you over my highly eclectic music library!
>>51472858including when white teenagers are trying to act black
>>51473487Disjointedness implies a reference point of constancy, which is in and of itself an objective status. Seriously, your arguments are getting feeble. If you want to continue this, please do, but put some more thought into it so we can have better conversation.
>>51473492take your /b/ and go home
>>51473528>eclecticism over quality>seriously denying objectivity in musicEpitome of plebatory behavior everyone.
>>51473550why are you quoting me tho
>>51473548>Disjointedness implies a reference point of constancy, which is in and of itself an objective status.Yes, no shit? That's exactly what I was saying.
>>51473551>eclecticism over qualityNever said that - if something is shit it doesn't stay in my library. That's why I only have the title track to ITAOTS because the rest was filth.>seriously denying subjectivity in musicEpitome of plebatory behaviour everyone - only plebs let others tell them what to like based on arbitrary "objective" factors.
>>51473583Might want to reread the whole post chain, bruh. Either something's awry in your brain or you're experiencing a little 4chan PTSD. I pity you either way.
>>51473620>arbitrarySpoken like a true natural pleb.
>>51473637>You can describe the music in an objective way that reveals what you dislike subjectively.You've yet to refute this.
>>51473575stop
>>51473681>>>/b/
>>51473637>4chan PTSDThis explains me right now perfectly
>>51473477It is.
>style over substance
>>51473665Do you know how to link backwards based on who you quoted? Ten times out of ten it's in your post, and you can then link backwards. I already addressed that issue.
>it's too complex for you>you'd need to know theory/play instrument to enjoy thisIt's shitty music if you can't enjoy it without thoseAnd it bothers me even more because I know theory and play multiple instruments but they still keep telling me that shit
>"if x and y had a baby, and that baby..."
>>51473686dude just look at this guy right away his stare pierces my skull
>>51473710No, you didn't. You said it wasn't possible, I offered an example, and you were like, "n-no because that's using objectivity as a reference point," which is exactly what I said.
>>51473645Well that's a very arbitrary opinion
>>51473620>I only have the title track to ITAOTS because the rest was filth
>>51473707I dunno, I prefer catchier music over music with "substance" - whatever that is, I'm guessing /mu/core because it's the most boring music I've ever heard. Ratatat > NMH all day every day
>>51473749Well, Mr. Eldergay Tripfaggot, I'll play your game of "coming somewhere close to replying to the person that is chastising me the most regarding music and objectivity and subjectivity." I am literally all ears.
>music is my life>only listens to pleb music>finds instrumental music boring
>>51473804This post was literally meaningless. Please contribute with something other than a non sequitur.
>hardcore music
>>51473815>music is my life>only listens to pleb musicOh man this pisses me off to no end. I die a little inside every time someone says that and proceeds to show their playlists consisting solely of top 40 shit.
>>51471758"preconceived notion"- any band interview
>>51473817You're bland and derivative, to say the least.
>>51473837
>>51473865It's sad that you thought that was funny enough to end the conversation on.
>>51473865
>>51473837>concertsthat's something I find weirdhow all rock concerts and gigs are apparently transcendental events that are a hobby in and of themselves
>>51473926objectively too loud most often.no one should have to have serious ear operations after a concert
>>51473926For teenage/young girls and dudebro guys it is. It's not the music you like being played live. It's a bunch of drunk people in the same place.
>>51473953I don't like that we subject youth to this kind of chaos
>>51473926I think it depends on your reason for going.The way i see it, if you just go to see bands you already listen to it is entertainment, if you go to concerts to discover new or local bands it becomes more of a hobby.
>>51473887>>51473904Top fucking lelThis nigga drops trip thoDoes any other tripfag on /mu/ do this?
>>51473987>This nigga drops trip tho[citation needed]
>>51473987You're incredibly delusional if you think every anon that agrees with a trip in them pretending to be anon.
>>51473987too soon to tell
>>51473948I suppose you think Habaneros are objectively too spicy?Ferraris are objectively too fast?Don't answer these, they're rhetorical - the point is that objectivity doesn't exist.
>>51474031>objectivity doesn't existmaybe nowbut forever?I want to know.
>>51474031No, you fucking moron. A concert can be loud enough to cause ear damage, which would be objectively too loud, barring some sort of mental illness linked with masochism.Also there are some peppers that are so spicy they have caused people to go to the hospital.Yes a Ferrari is fast enough to exceed the safest speed meant for a road (not speed limit).I don't care if you're joking because some people actually think this and they're retarded.
>>51474064Never, anon.
>>51474079dangereye
>this beat goes hard!!
>>51474075keep your laws off my hazards
>>51474075I wasn't joking, and I'm not retarded either.It's all about thresholds and how far you're willing to go to break them, and if you've built up enough endurance to do so.Eat a ghost chili when you've only had taco bell sauce and you'll end up in the hospital.Race a Ferrari when you've done nothing but ride a bicycle and you will wreck.Run a 25k the day after peeling yourself from the couch and you'll have a heart attackBut build up to these and you too can withstand, survive and even enjoy them.
>>51474103Who said anything about laws?You're free to do any of those things, except of course driving too fast for the road conditions (once again, not the speed limit) as this endangers other people.Just bear in mind that all of those would be objectively bad decisions as they are dangerous or detrimental to your health and by extension makes you a moron.
>>51474031>confusing the subjective (sound to the listener) with the objective (composition)This is why we have shitty music, and when discussing or analyzing music the cop-out is always "b-buh it's subjective so u can't say that its bad!!"Music can sound "good" and still be terribly written. There are both objective and subjective qualities to it - its an artform.
>>51474118You don't build up a resistance to extremely loud music. You just fuck up your ears and can't hear as well as you use to.
>>51474118on one side of gaia, sure. keep fucking going.
>>51474141
>>51474134Samefagging, but when I used to do music critique shit it was always:Melody, harmony, rhythm, timbre, and in some cases performance, production (for albums), and lyrics (if it had any). These are the objective criteria on which to judge most compositions. There can be some subjective sway therein but you get my point.I would add my opinions and feel(s) on top of those criteria to determine if I enjoyed the album or not. When you view popular music (albums) through this lens, it gets significantly more interesting. Sometimes I found shit I normally wouldn't like to be appealing on that objective basis.
>>51474128Well, yeah I'm a moron, but at least I'm happy!
>>51474202
>>51474202>being a hedonist>2014
"twee"
>>51474134>actually believing anyone cares about composition>actually believing a higher grade of composition leads to better sounding music when more often than not the reverse is trueMusic's just supposed to sound good m8, there's different techniques and writing styles but in the end the only thing that matters is if it's enjoyable. You can have excellent composition and still be dull and unlistenable - and more often than not this is the case.It's not a cop-out, it's realizing that music's for the heart, not the mind, and analyzing something by an "intellectual" standard won't make it sound any better or worse
>>51474195>When you view popular music (albums) through this lens, it gets significantly more interesting. Hardly. Over-analyzation of anything kills enjoyment. Take a clock apart to see what's inside and it will stop ticking. Explain a magic trick and audiences will stop being impressed. Find out what's actually on a pizza and never eat one again. Look at music in any way other than personal enjoyment and have everything you love about it (and your soul along with it) die.
>>51474254good point m8
>>51474222>2014>not being a hedonistStay victorian
>>51474254so what happens to all the masters who've done this then?as a musician I totally agree that it takes away the wow factor, but you start enjoying things on other levels. there's always more to enjoy about music even when if/you feel frustrated. I love it because it's a creative field, that I or no-one can ever completely master or finish. So nothing wrong with analysis either, of which analyzing even a single whole song makes you appreciate a song for every single part and what they are doing and how they're interacting, etc.There's no real right or wrong way to listen to music. Just different ways.:^)
>>51474226>implying I believe that intelligent composition leads to better sounding musicIt doesn't. There's a difference. That was the whole point of the post. Something can be written incredibly well and sound terrible, and likewise something terribly written can sound great. It doesn't matter though. When you're critiquing music, a degree of objectivity is needed. It's part of the observation process and is integral in informing your reader/viewer/whatever. Saying "I like this it sounds good" tells them nothing about the music without a context given by those concepts.And music is hardly meant "just to sound good" - music is also supposed to be fun to play or perform, and hear live. Music is partly from the heart, but that is such a small facet of it. To judge it on solely that would do the artist a disservice. I like to judge on both the heart and mind, since both are involved in the creation of music and all art.>>51474254For you it's over-analyzation, maybe. When you play music, the internals are far more interesting. There's nothing "magical" about music, but there is something magical about the performance and the mindset ("heart") of the writer.But I get what you're saying.
>>51471804>wankeryThis used to be a useful term, but nowadays 99% mentions of it are used incorrectly by retarded blackgaze fans who can't process anything technical whatsoever. I've even seen someone call King Crimson "wank", fuck these stupid kids.
>>51474376Well any advocate of blackgaze is probably still in high school so their vocabulary hasn't evolved beyond that.I've seen it used to describe everything from early Dismember to latter day Swans...
>>51471781kek
I need chemo after reading this thread
>>51472456i prefer to say oldschool vs modern but i understand where people are coming with this
>>51472987>>51473043buzzwords are words than are used to satisfy psuedo-intellectual behaviour because it sounds intelligentnow will you fucking monkeys shut the fuck up with your pseudo argument
>>51471995Logged in to up vote xD
>>51474871Nice meme fag, >>>/hispa/
>>51471779>Mangum Opus
All of these are guitar-related."You have to make it sing, y'know""Blues is technical""Metal is way harder than jazz, it's more about technique"These are beginners that do not understand how their fresh Squier Strat and Roland Cube combo works. Get rekt plz.
Jesus, what an awful thread
>>51471758>>51471779>>51471781>>51471789>>51471804>>51471810>>51471821>>51471828>>51471843>>51471887>>51471914>>51471950>>51472026>>51472391>>51472456>>51472496>>51472536>>51472680>>51472685>>51472707>>51472829>>51472931>>51473087>>51473436>>51473707>>51473727>>51473740>>51473815>>51473837>>51474099I use all of these
> these elitists need to stop putting things in genres, just listen to whatever lol xDI about bust a gasket every time
saved this thread for good words to troll with.
>>51473087Ctrl+F
>>51471804>he can't handle the banter
When people use "Hipster" as a genre
>>51475777you use a lot of words!
>>51471758>this whole thread
>is this the logical conclusion to x
>Classic RockPeople try to lump like 30 years of bands into one genre
>>51471758Didnt they eat that prehistoric Mr crabs? Fuck that scene made me hungry.
>>51471804I've said it before, I'll say it again. Most people that complain about "wankery" are just projecting how horrible and uninspired they are at their instrument.
>>51475984>>51475840>>51475777>>51475727>>51474871damage control because you've been called out on your shit
>>51474118>No I can definitely build up a resistance that allows me to surpass the natural limits of my body.Do you think that if you jump enough you will be able to fly, because you will build a resistance to gravity?
>>51478104_/---\_눈 ͜ಎ눈
>x is not music, its just noise!>you play (anything but drums or guitar)? gaay>metal is so deep and misunderstood!
>>51478198Wow can you be more of a fucking faggot
>>51472685that haircut was so bad
>>51478198did you just shit on people who write off entire genres with your first point, and then go on to write off the entire genre of metal with your last point?because that is what it seems like
>>51478365butthurt metalfag detected.I didnt shit on metal, I shit on your typical metalfan fag. Like yourself.>muh metal>muh h8ers>muh real music
>>51477805Oh yes that reminds me>>51471758>damage control
>four fourWe're listening to it, so how do you know that a quarter note is being used to represent one beat, and why don't you think everyone here can tell immediately that it's in common time
>>51479082Noisefags are truly the worst
>>51474226okay, this takes the cake as being the one thing i've heard being said about music that annoyed me the most
PROTIP: if someone say he likes everything when asked about what type of music he listen, just say this "cool, I am listening to math rock recently, what is your favorite math rock band?", if he say he doenst know it you say "another thing I am getting into recently is martial industrial do you have any artist to recommend me?"
>>51479082>>51479082the guy didn't even say he likes metal, nor did he suggest it, come on
>>51479699wow, never though about that, thanks
>>51479699this is why you don't have any friends.
>>51479699>math rock>martial industrial (wtf even)>2014this is not only autistic but also lagging behind like 20 years. I would always answer that I like all kinds of music
>ObjectivelyWhen people bring this phrase up regarding the quality (not qualities) of any artform I just immediately have to assume that they're baiting or autistic.
>>51479699Protip: if someone says they like 'everything' they're not being literal; they're just saying that they like to keep their tastes open.How do you people not get this.
>>51479790what?in this situation we are talking about music and he said he likes everything. Than I am continuing the discussion by saying I like math rock and asking for his favorite math rock band (a thing he will have, since he likes, as he said, all genres of music and this includes math rock).Then he say he doenst know (that is strange since he said he likes every genre), and I chance the topic to martial industrial (a thing he also should listen since he said he listened to everything), since he wouldnt be able to answer my question or continue the conversation from previous point.>>51479824those are just examples, you can pick other not so famous sub-genres and go from there
>>51479699What a fucking pompous insecure douchebag thing to say.
>>51479959What I said is a normal conversation, the person would be just continuing the conversation. You dont even need to lie, you can just say some underground genres you like. You can even say harsh noise, if somehow you like it.
>>51480046
>>51471804You sound like an IDM fanboy