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Is there a thing this man can't do? Also, reminder that Karajan is a talentless hack

>> No.51357765

I wonder which famous composer had the highest IQ and which had the lowest...

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>>51357765
>I wonder which famous composer had the highest IQ


This guy. He beat the world champion at chess.

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>>51357765
lowest

>> No.51357913

>>51357765
Liszt was probably pretty intelligent

>> No.51357928

>>51357913
How?
>muh finger technique

>> No.51358151

>>51357765
Lowest would probably be someone from the old times. Most likely a religious composer.

>> No.51358192

>>51357765
>>51358151
I actually think lowest would probably be Satie honestly but an old composer is true too.

>> No.51358213

>>51358192
Satie was extremely intelligent

>> No.51358228

>>51358213
his music doesn't give that impression hyuk hyuk
just an assumption that's all

>> No.51358262

>>51358228
Because it was minimalistic?

>> No.51358279

>>51358262
Just simplistic. Maybe that's the same as Minimalistic but I don't think it is.

>> No.51358356

>>51358279
I don't know why you capitalize minimalistic when we're not referring to the Minimalist movement.

Anyway, his music was and is extremely unique and nuanced. He was already modern in the late 19th century and he still can't be fitted into a musical era. I don't think you know what simplistic means.

>> No.51358418

>>51358356
Okay his approach may be simplistic but his complexity lies in his nuanced treatment of phrasing and tone. I can only compare it to Chopin without the piano virtuosity.

>> No.51358454

>>51358418
>Chopin without the piano virtuosity
I can agree with that I think

>> No.51358709

>>51358151
*tips fedora*

>> No.51358782

>>51357598
>is
Also he was very talented, at making everything sound like military marches.

>> No.51358832

Sergei Taneyev was definitely up there with the most intelligent.

>> No.51358939

>>51357765
highest was clearly saint-saens with honorable mention to enescu

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>>51357765
I'd give him <90, honestly.

On the topic of conductors, C Kleiber was probably the most intelligent; at least, he comes off as so in his correspondence and rehearsal footage.

>> No.51358978

>>51358962
>half retard half god

>> No.51359041

I get the impression Schumann was really freaking dum. Mostly on account of him sabotaging his dream of being a pianist by injuring his hand with some Victorian finger stretching device. Also he was a music critic which history always shows they were the dumbest motherfuckers. Well known for having other brain problems.

>> No.51359057

>>51359041
>51359041
he discovered brahms didn't he?

>> No.51359084

>>51359057
Launched Brahms's career, yeah. Also he was incredibly well read.

>> No.51359103

>>51358962
emotionally and interpersonally retarded maybe but otherwise he was pretty intelligent. greatest germanic organist of his generation which I don't think is really possible for someone of below average intelligence (try improvising triple fugues). Always was a great student too (good thing cos he studied forever), and his music is anything but simplistic.

>> No.51359119

http://rateyourmusic.com/list/cathcacr/the_100_greatest_classical_composers_according_to_rateyourmusic_com/

Tell me about RYM. Why do they have such shit taste in music?

>> No.51359126

>>51359103
>muh meme fugues
Taxes go home, you're shitting all over the thread again.

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>>51359119
>waah why isn't muh underrated mozart numbuh 1 and autistic bach and plebthoven lower than him???

>> No.51359146

>>51359119
that's not a good user
i don't even have mutual friends with him

>> No.51359165

>>51359126
Bruckner's organ fugues were never written down or reproduced because he improvised them all on the spot. That is literally the opposite of a meme.

>> No.51359167

>>51359119
>pärt 3
>feldman at 5
lel
>mozart 6
further etc
>reich and glass in top 10
don't think i could have made a caricature 'top-rym' list as good as the real one

>> No.51359172

>>51359103
Skill does not equal intelligence

>> No.51359184

>>51359146
The user just compiled it from the RYM top albums. It isn't his personal opinions.

>> No.51359203

>>51359172
>Skill does not equal intelligence
>but lack of social skills does

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>>51357765
Reminder that unless your favourite composer has a PhD in the natural sciences and published peer reviewed papers then he is not worthy to be contending for the most intelligent composer of all time.

>> No.51359216

>>51359165
That's not it. Memeticizing fugues and making them some epic sign of brilliance is muh meme fugue.

>> No.51359224

>>51359119
Because it's not a page designed to attract classical music listeners

If all of /mu/ was asked their favorite classical music records it would most likely be worse

>> No.51359226

>>51359216
You're misusing the meme meme. Please lurk more.

>> No.51359233

>>51359167
>zappa basinski branca...
>>51359184
oops didn't read xD
attempt at an excuse, II: what a stupid thing to do

>> No.51359243

>>51359203
>but lack of social skills does
Who said that?

>> No.51359259

>>51359224
>Because it's not a page designed to attract classical music listeners
not primarily or exclusively obviously but i think they're doing a pretty good job at being inclusive towards the classical music community with their special treatment for classical releases in the database

>> No.51359270

>>51359243
There is no other basis for painting Brucksy as unintelligent.

>> No.51359273

>>51359172
>someone who was autistic enough to take tests and did well in them for 35 years
>wouldn't do well in an iq test
seems unlikely to me
>>51359233
>schnittke anywhere in the top 20

>> No.51359295

>>51359270
Except for his music

>> No.51359298

>>51359295
le #rekt

>> No.51359301

>>51359273
>schnittke anywhere in the top 20
Careful, poly might be lurking

>> No.51359308

>>51359224
Presumably the people who rate classical albums are classical music listeners, so using them as the sample group from RYM is equivalent to using /classical/ as a sample from /mu/, rather than the /mu/ general population (most of which probably couldn't rate/rank more than a handful of specific recordings).

So my question stands: why does RYM's classical community have such shitty taste?

>> No.51359310

I will never understand the hard-on so many people have for minimalism.

>> No.51359312
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>>51359273
>xenakis 17
>scelsi 22
>satie 19
>riley anywhere
>john zorn
>meredith monk
>charlemagne palestine
>ludovico einaudi

>> No.51359333

>>51359310
It's regenerate.

>> No.51359341

>>51359308
take a statistics course

>> No.51359357

>>51359259
That is very recent though

>>51359308
>Presumably the people who rate classical albums are classical music listeners
You're wrong about that though, most RYM users rate a classical records casually even when they're not classical listeners

>> No.51359372

>>51359312
surprised ferneydog isn't anywhere in the list actually, and neither's finnissy.

>> No.51359389

>>51359341
>the people who rate classical albums are classical music listeners, so using them as the sample group from RYM is equivalent to using /classical/ as a sample from /mu/, rather than the /mu/ general population
Invalidate this statement. You can't do it.

>>51359357
If they've listened to classical music then they're classical music listeners.

>> No.51359411

lmao this supplemental list http://rateyourmusic.com/list/cathcacr/the_greatest_classical_composers_according_to_rateyourmusic_com__bubbling_under/ has merzbow as 22

>> No.51359414

>>51359389
>If they've listened to classical music then they're classical music listeners.
Do you realize how stupid that is?

I've listened to crunkcore, yet I'm not a crunkcore listener

You can rate any kind of album without being a listener of that type of music

>> No.51359434

>>51359295
explain

>> No.51359466

>>51359414
>I've listened to crunkcore
Then you're a crunkcore listener.

>> No.51359479

>>51359434
I wouldn't say his use of tropes or the development of his movements show a man of great intelligence

>> No.51359484

>>51359389
>Invalidate this statement. You can't do it.
epic
>the people who rate classical albums are classical music listeners
not necessarily since you can rate whatever the fuck you want without anyone checking on whether you listened or not but let's assume so
>so using them as the sample group from RYM is equivalent to using /classical/ as a sample from /mu/
yeah no
if you take classical music listeners from RYM you have to take classical music listeners from /mu/
/classical/ is not the entirety of classical music listeners on /mu/

>> No.51359490

>>51359466
Kek

>> No.51359518

>>51359484
>you can rate whatever the fuck you want without anyone checking on whether you listened or not
And you can post whatever you want in /classical/ without anyone checking whether you listened or not. Thank you for supporting my analogy.
>/classical/ is not the entirety of classical music listeners on /mu/
But it is virtually the entirety of /mu/tants who care enough about classical music to post about it (as quantifiably evidenced by the infrequency of non-/classical/ classical threads), just as the RYM classical album ratings are by definition the entirety of RYM users who care enough about classical music to rate classical albums. Thank you for further supporting the analogy.

>> No.51359534

>>51359119
It's not that bad
How would the /classical/ list look like?

>> No.51359538

>>51359518
you're assuming assumptions with heavy implications

not very scientific of you

>> No.51359559

>>51359534
>you're assuming assumptions with heavy implications
[citation needed]

>> No.51359575

>>51359559
meant for >>51359538

>> No.51359586

>>51359119
I just almost vomited

>> No.51359590

>>51359518
The vast majority of those users are completely casuals to classical music and only rate just to try it though

>> No.51359598

>>51359479
what tropes
>development of his movements
don't think a dumb guy would write something as contrapuntally elaborate as the finale of the 5th but right, you don't believe mastery counterpoint has much worth
>>51359534
we could do something like it I think. people would hate the result and it'd be fun

>> No.51359604
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51359604

After seeing his name mentioned here before, I started listening to more recordings by Harry Christophers and The Sixteen. Christophers is also the director of the Boston-based Handel and Haydn Society, who did a great job on this recording of Mozart's C minor Mass.

An anon last night mentioned his Handel Oratorio recordings with The Sixteen and the only two I've heard are Jephtha and Messiah and liked them a lot, so I'll have to listen to more.

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>>51359534

>> No.51359639

>>51359590
>>51359538

>> No.51359649

>>51359310
because it's almost as good as Gregorian chant

>> No.51359673

>>51359609
Terribly generic

>> No.51359678

>>51359673
>generic
>>>/RYM/

>> No.51359718

>>51359678
>muh sekrit internet club

>> No.51359742

RYM is a fundamentally inherently diseased way of interacting with music. If all music you listened to was done with the awareness at least in some part that you're going to publicly rate it then that colors the experience you'll have. You'll be conscious of the need to stand out yet still fit in with the community. Maybe every community has its characteristic consensus of favorite music that everyone there reacts to but in /mu/'s favor we're all too aware that taste is a meme and should not be taken seriously.

>> No.51359743

>>51359718
Welcome to /mu/. Enjoy the calories you burn by ass clenching.

>> No.51359748

>>51359718
What? I'm just saying your "the greatest composers appear most frequently, and this is a bad thing" mindset is immature and does not belong on /classical/.

>> No.51359771

>>51359742
Reminds me of the old CLT copypasta about how the telltale mark of a pleb was how obsessed they were with "unique taste".

>> No.51359776

>>51359604
I was aware of The Harry Sixteen because they were featured prominently on this documentary that's semi-often posted in the thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmQbWxYZhGA

>> No.51359779

>>51359771
Isn't that true though?

>> No.51359792

>>51359779
>君子和而不同,小人同而不和
Of course it's true, even Confucius knew that.

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51359794

List the most talentless hacks you know.

>> No.51359795

>>51359748
What I'm saying is, a list of mainly household names shouldn't make you feel "special"

>> No.51359797

>>51359779
Yes. Intentionally provocative trollsona aside, most of what CLT ever said was true.

>> No.51359804

>>51359797
[citation needed]

>> No.51359808

>>51359795
>"special"
Whom are you quoting?

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>>51359794

>> No.51359830

>>51359804
Taxes pls, no time for memes

>> No.51359835

>>51359804
>>https://rbt.asia/mu/thread/S48352786#p48353017

>> No.51359844

>>51359804
>muh 2deep minimalism

>> No.51359850

>>51359742
RYM is not necessarily a community though, you can only choose to be a part of the community if you want

I've rated albums there for a long time without ever thinking of a community, and it has been a great way to keep track of albums and my own thoughts, it definitely helps you sort things out

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51359854

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXyEIWeZyEU

What the hell there's a Renaissance Choir in Osaka and they recorded Rore's Doulce Memoire mass twenty years before the Brabants? Them nips sure love a capella vocals.

>> No.51359872

>>51359850
If you need to maintain a database of star ratings in order to remember how you feel about a given piece of music, chances are you never felt terribly strongly about music in the first place.

>> No.51359884

>>51359854
>Lole's Dource Memoile
ftfy

>> No.51359939

>>51359872
>If you need to maintain a database of star ratings in order to remember how you feel about a given piece of music
It's more about making it all visual and being able to put things together visually

Many geniuses have gave advice to write your thoughts down while trying to develop something, this is the same thing, it also helps and encourage to discover music in the same way wikipedia links you to different pages from article that interested you in the first place

>chances are you never felt terribly strongly about music in the first place.
Baseless assumption, and the opposite could be arguer easier

>> No.51359954

>>51359939
>wikipedia
You're all about the intellectual shortcuts, aren't you?

>> No.51359989

>>51359954
you can't just read every book, it's good to have shortcuts and then expand on your particular interests

>>51359939
have given* didn't notice while i corrected it

>> No.51360016

>>51359989
>you can't just read every book, it's good to have shortcuts
It is not when truth is dirty, but when it is shallow, that the lover of knowledge is reluctant to step into its waters.

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51360035

It really offends me that Arvo Plëb is the most popular composer of our time despite the fact that everything he composes is literally (and I mean literally literally) the same exact music just with different instruments and crescendos. I would find it so frustrating to be a composer struggling for recognition, always working to improve, then to take a look at this guy bail from the avant-garde to jump on a fad with his own emotionally powerful spin of playing 3 notes from a minor chord ad infinitum to receive the adoration of everyone no matter how many times he rehashes himself. Truly this person is worse than Obama.

>> No.51360036

>>51359776
This looks really cool, I'll give it a watch. Thanks.

I planned on seeing Christophers and the Handel and Haydn Society in the Spring for Mendelssohn's Elijah. There are a few concerts I want to take the trip out to see including Bach's St. Matthew Passion; but it'll be costly. To see the St. Matthew Passion though, I think it's worth it.

>> No.51360046

>>51360016
*tips le fedora*

>> No.51360065

>>51359604

The Sixteen are incredible. I've seen them perform live on a couple of occassions, and I've got a number of their recordings. They do English polyphony very well

>> No.51360089

>>51360036
I watched all 4 episodes and found them very interesting because the music seems much more understandable after someone explains it. I love the Matthew Passion in particular a lot, I'd be jealous if you make it there.

>> No.51360091

>>51360035
Are Baltic peoples white? I know they were occupied by Germans for a long time, but the Germans were ethmically cleansed after WWII and they've also been occupied by nonwhite Slavs.

>> No.51360098

>>51359835
>>>https://rbt.asia/mu/thread/S48352786#p48353017
was asking for a citation for
>most of what CLT ever said was true.
>>51359830
it's always time for memes
>>51359872
think you're making a bit of a stretch here. if you're listening to hundreds of recordings like most of us (and most rym users) are, and if you end up liking a lot of those too, it's just normal that you'll end up forgetting even some of the ones that you really enjoyed. I've got 6-10 recordings of the Liszt B minor sonata that I really like, I've got five different juilliard SQ performances of the carter 2nd SQ, I've listened to more than a dozen mozart 40th. On good days I'll be able to name most of those from memory but yes, sometimes I'll end up forgetting one or two. Lists help, it's just human to forget (note: richter wasn't human) and besides, making lists is one of the ways to etch facts in one's memory.

>> No.51360340

>>51360035
Truly the Justin Beiber of modern classical.

>> No.51360348

Is Sibelius the most inconsistent composer of all time? Whenever I hear a Sibelius piece it's either one of the most beautiful things I ever heard or it's tiresome fireman crap. There's no middle ground.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC9Qh709gas

I just wanted to see the qt's breasts and what is this

>> No.51360491

>>51359742
So, what music should I listen to if I want to be unique but also fit in here?

>> No.51360555

>>51360491
>I want to be unique
Frankly we'd prefer you don't stick around. Plebeian attitudes such as this one belong in the containment threads (chart threads, last.fm threads, etc.), not in /classical/.

>> No.51360627

I'll be uploading albums to a mega drive this week

First off
https://mega.co.nz/#!IQxH2TgI!MuBNq5iwEcKv83K9Og0pW3An07gYQpaBuAbrzcSsb0g

>> No.51360692

>>51360481
She looks like Robert Webb.

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What did he have for dinner tonight?


French fricassée

>> No.51360781

>>51360555
Why you mad though.

>> No.51361609

>>51360098
you got a rym?
>>51360491
the one you can't find with asking here obviously

>> No.51361639

>>51361609
yeah but i haven't used it in years cos it's stupid for classical music (things might have changed since idk)

>> No.51361804

>>51359609
That is just as awful as the rym one

>> No.51361827

>>51361639
Artist pages have "works" now. On those "works" pages all the individual releases which feature said work are referenced.
https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/johann_sebastian_bach
It's a more recent change and thus especially for lesser known works the links are rather lackluster but you can always contribute to the database yourself~
It's still not perfect obviously but yeah it's gotten better

>> No.51361835

>>51361804
Don't be absurd.

>> No.51361859

>>51361827
As a RYM user, that is useless

If you wanna look for something you wanna rate, just type in the search bar before the discography

>> No.51361886

>>51361835
>rym avant teen
>trip fags with awful taste

I don't see what's absurd

>> No.51361898

>>51361886
Who on there has awful taste?

>> No.51361958

>>51361898
Pretty much everyone below tallis and CLT, for the exception of Papillons

>> No.51361959

>>51361859
not all works are attributed to the artist page in that way though
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/london_symphony_orchestra_klangforum_wien_pierre_boulez_emilio_pomarico/clinamen___nodus__construction_in_space/
you can't find that on the olga neuwirth artist page for example

i'm not 100% sure why that is but i assume the post-"works" guidelines to adding releases to the database just won't have releases directly show up on the artist page anymore and those that do were added before that change or are not added as classical releases

this inconsistency is rather annoying but what can you do

>> No.51362034

>>51361959
You either look in the perfomer's page or search right above the discography in the filter bar, it should show up if it's in the data base which is likely

Not very difficult really

>> No.51362054

>>51361958
You're being ridiculous. How could you possibly call Ame's row bad, for example?

>> No.51362095

>>51362054
ame pls

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51362152

>>51362054
AME?

>> No.51362161

>>51362034
what i'm saying though is that it's even easier than that since you don't need to go to a performer's page

>> No.51362167

>>51362152
Tell me about Ame! Why does she tuck her penis?

>> No.51362183

>>51362161
The vast majority of releases don't have the works linked to them though

>> No.51362203

>>51362167
A lotta loyalty for a hired patrician

>> No.51362238

>>51362167
No one cared who she was before she but on the skirt.

>> No.51362249

>>51362203
Or perhaps he's wondering why someone would drop their trip when everyone already knows they're samefagging.

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>>51362249
At least you can talk, who are you?

>> No.51362311

>>51362183
Then they are added as regular releases to the composer's page. I don't think I've ever seen a release attributed solely to a performer without link to the artist's page. Might be wrong though.

>> No.51362317

>>51362238
If I hike that up can I fuck her?

>> No.51362383

Taxes, are you drunk again?

Also, my copy of the King's Singer's Lasso Chansons, Madrigals and Lieder arrived :3

>> No.51362409

>>51362311
That's not uncommon at all

What I'm saying is, you look for something you wanna rate, first check the composers page, click on the filter above discography and type the performer, if in a rare case it's not there, go to the performer's page

The works section is practically useless as 90% of releases don't have the works attached to them

>> No.51362446

>>51362409
To be fair that's less a failure of the catalog interface as it is a failure of the users.

>> No.51362460

>>51362446
It's merely because the system is new and changing existing releases is tedious

>> No.51362509

>>51362446
No, because most releases were submitted before the works thing was implemented

That's the same problem as most releases being credited the composer, since recently they have to be credited to the performers instead

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51362571

>>51357765
Probably highest

>> No.51362722

>>51362571
>le music is le math face

>> No.51362769

>>51360035
>everything he composes is literally (and I mean literally literally) the same exact music just with different instruments and crescendos
>>51360035
He has an early period you know:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrv09icNhbI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ460yRnBKo

>> No.51362805

>>51362769
Either you didn't bother reading the entire post or your reading comprehension is inadequate.
>look at this guy bail from the avant-garde
He obviously acknowledges the early works (which are unremarkable).

>> No.51362813

>>51362722
He didn't think that though

>> No.51362929

>>51362805
I enjoy the break away from complexity and atonality/serialism.
simplicity, beauty and purity are very important to him, and I can understand why. Its a breath of fresh air compared to most modern composers.

>> No.51363000

Name your 10 European composers and then name your top 10 American composers.

>> No.51363036

>3 (three) instruments

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>>51362929
>simplicity, beauty and purity are very important to him, and I can understand why. Its a breath of fresh air compared to most modern composers.
It's not. Instead of reviving tonality it worships its dead material, from which all Geist imparted on it throughout the centuries has been expunged. It is aesthetically sterile, and masks this sterility not by appealing to reason and historical considerations, but by a mysticism that demands a submission to what is considered natural.

At its core is the same regressive impulse, the same germ that makes everything from Nazism to New Age so appealing in the face of the instrumental ratio of late-capitalism, it's music that refuses to critically engage with history and instead clouds itself in naturalized fiction.

If you want purity that is note wasteful, there's Webern, if you want tonality, there's a long line of sophisticated tonal composers, from Korngold to Eröd.

>> No.51363165

Hey /classical/.

I never listen to classical music but I'd like to listen to Arvo Part. So where do I begin?

>> No.51363232

Its >>51363165 again. I just scrolled up and seen you fags calling him Arvo Pleb and conflating him with Justin Bieber.

Are you just being hyper-critical /mu/ contrarians or is he really bad?

>> No.51363319

>>51363140
You're so tiresome whenever you start going on one of your stock leftist screeds.

>> No.51363769
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>>51363000
>American composers

>> No.51363778

>>51363000
>Yuro
Bruckner
Saint-Saëns
Verdi
Mozart
Debussy
Prokofiev
Tchaikovsky
Chopin
Haydn
Beethoven

>American
Gershwin
Copland

Those are the only two American composers I like.

>> No.51363794

>>51363165
>>51363232
Lurk more

>> No.51363816

>tfw away from my UK choir
>tfw no magnificat and nunc dimmitis
>tfw no evensong
>tfw can't find a Catholic one to join.
>tfw missing choral singing

English church music is a lot of fun to sing

>> No.51363842

>>51359771
>CLT constantly posting about how he's the only one who likes Nielsen, Schumann, Vanhal, etc

>> No.51363980

>>51362813
>he didn't le think that

>> No.51363995
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51363995

https://mega.co.nz/#!IEpgkbIK!qkbT5lyGb5toTl4j7CpNPql5rg5u1-nJOVT5NPwwqpo

>> No.51364012

>>51363842
Great man are contradictions

>> No.51364016
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51364016

https://mega.co.nz/#!IERH3RiB!n9L13PinxKykRhu9oS_yDNJH788R47DmuzXVU6O4SHM

>> No.51364040
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51364040

https://mega.co.nz/#!8YB1kbIC!gFZrXQqeZX5_Mf2_CmGSQeXwkgH6PqaF6jamQ9Z4ChY

>> No.51364051

>>51363842
Yeah, but he was complaining, not bragging. You could tell he genuinely wanted everyone else to "get" Vanhal the same way he did. It's sad he never lived to see it happen.

>> No.51364065

>>51364051
>It's sad he never lived to see it happen
this meme again?

>> No.51364092

>>51364051
CLT pls, you got frustrated when gesualdo became a meme


>>51363769
>>51363778
Charles Ives
Edward Macdowell
George Gershwin
Ruth Crawford Seeger
Aaron Copland
Steve Reich
Terry Riley
John Adams
La Monte Young
Duke Ellington

>> No.51364101

>>51362929
>Its a breath of fresh air compared to most modern composers.

(not true, by the way)

>> No.51364138
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51364138

>>51363140

>> No.51364190

>>51364092
When?

>> No.51364250
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51364250

>>51364092
>>https://rbt.asia/mu/?task=search2&ghost=yes&search_text=gesualdo+meme&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_media_hash=&search_op=all&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=old&search_capcode=all&search_res=post

>> No.51364300

Was Gesualdo ever NOT a meme?

>le wife murderer face
>muh advanced harmonies

>> No.51364363
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51364363

>>51364190
>>51364250
>tfw that was a year ago

>> No.51364366

>>51364300
But Gesualdo's chromaticism is archaic.

>> No.51364393

>>51364366
Your mutilated cock is archaic

>> No.51364415

What's the film with the best soundtrack consisting of pieces of classical music?(ie. not a soundtrack explicitly written for the film)

>> No.51364418
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51364418

>>51364393

>> No.51364448

Daily reminder none of you have any actual knowledge of real music, and only pretend at it so your last.fm profiles will impress equal-minded idiots.

>> No.51364489

>>51364448

>truly I am the champion of the common man

>> No.51364495

>>51364393
>Your mutilated cock is archaic
"Nothing can grow back the foreskin of which we are robbed on the eighth day of life; those who, on the ninth day, do not bleed from this operation shall continue to bleed an entire lifetime, even after death." (Meyerbeer knew that feel)

>> No.51364544
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51364544

>>51364495
How does it feel that you will never pleasure a busty Jewish woman with an intact penis?

Are Jewesses turned off by uncircumcised penises?

>> No.51364595
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51364595

Who is CIA's favorite composers?

>> No.51364615

Who linked /b/ to this thread?

>> No.51364616

>>51364595
Jackson Pollock

>> No.51364653

>>51359103
>tfw no Bruckner organ works

>> No.51364894

>>51363000
Yuros:
Bach Beethoven Mozart Schönberg Debussy Chopin Scriabin Cerha Xenakis Mahler
Armoricans:
Carter Wuorinen Rzewski Ives Feldman Sessions Crawford-Seeger Nancarrow Babbitt (not always a big fan but 10 is a lot), corigliano

>> No.51364927

>>51364894
taxes pls lrn2comma.

>> No.51364969

>>51364595
Anything out of darmstadt plus carter :^)

>> No.51365005

>>51362383
>Taxes, are you drunk again?
What did I say this time

>> No.51365102
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51365102

>>51364595
Rossini and Handel

>> No.51365108

>>51364415

Probably Tree of Life

>> No.51365144

>>51364595
BACH?!

>> No.51365179

>>51364415
if you like memes, shutter island

>> No.51365199

>>51364595
Rachmaninov

>> No.51365332

>>51365102

Why Rossini?

>> No.51365492 [DELETED] 
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51365492

https://mega.co.nz/#!8YB1kbIC!gFZrXQqeZX5_Mf2_CmGSQeXwkgH6PqaF6jamQ9Z4ChY

>> No.51365547
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51365547

https://mega.co.nz/#!4RZDjIaB!jOKtJGKUdaAurEHrYAwEHYoACdxK0dD-fWvx6CuHSA8

>> No.51366057

>>51364415
>2001 space Odyssey

>> No.51366123
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51366123

I wonder if the Anon who wanted some secular Lasso still lurks these threads, 'cause here's the album I talked about...

Orlando di Lasso - To All Things a Season - Chansons, Madrigals and Lieder (The King's Singers)
https://mega.co.nz/#!zB1hHK4B!879wvfjVBNI_--mHrE9XH-IIureqk9mv59MAQjVzZHI
>1600s, vocal, secular, latin, german, french

>> No.51366177

>>51366057
*tips fedora*

>> No.51366230

>>51365332
He's a big guy (with a little Mass)

>> No.51366287

>>51365102
What's with all these composers putting their hand inside their coat?

>> No.51366300

What's the best place to start with Perotin?

>> No.51366317

>>51366287
it's comfy

>> No.51366330

>>51366230

He wasn't that big, was he? He wasn't as renowned for it as Handel was, at any rate

>> No.51366351

>>51366317
I was thinking illuminati but that makes sense too

>> No.51366376

>>51366287

>Arline Meyer notes that the pose dates back to Ancient Greece, when the hand-tucked-into-the-tunic stance was the recommended pose for orators. The post was used with "relentless frequency in England in the 18th century," Meyers writes, so much that the pose became a cliché—some portrait artists were actually accused of using it because they didn’t know how to paint hands.

>But, Meyer says, "in real life, the 'hand-held-in' was a common stance for men of breeding." In 1738, Francois Nivelon, the Mr. Manners of that era, wrote in his book A Book Of Genteel Behavior that the hand-inside-vest pose signified “manly boldness tempered with modesty.”

>> No.51366431

>>51366300
There isn't that much music attributed to him anyways, just start with the two four-voice organa "Sederunt principes" and "Viderunt omnes", especially in the recording by David Munrow from "Music of the Gothic Era".

>> No.51366461

>>51366431
Thanks a lot

>> No.51366523
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51366523

>>51366287
It's an 18th century portraiture convention

>>51366330
He got pretty fat after retirement

>> No.51366618
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>>51366287
It's a masonic gesture

>> No.51366749
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51366749

How do I into this edgy looking motherfucker?

>> No.51366814

>>51366749

Listen to the big 4 (Tosca, La Boheme, Madama Butterfly and Turandot) then explore the lesser known ones, like Manon Lescault and La Fanciulla del West.

He didn't really write all that much, so you could feasibly listen to all of his stuff. And it's all rather entertaining, with some great leitmotifs, so it's not exactly difficult either.

And if you listen to Turandot, try to find a version with the Berio completion. The usual endings that are used are extremely underwhelming

>> No.51366836

>>51366814

Lescaut*

And my personal ranking of the 4 main ones goes like this, in case you want an opinion and an order to watch them

1. Tosca
2. La Boheme
3. Turandot
4. Madama Butterfly

>> No.51367116

>>51366749
Start with his greatest masterpiece, Gianni Schicchi.

>> No.51367172

>>51367116
literally not that great

>> No.51367260

>>51366749
Tosca.

>> No.51367491

>>51366749
Fanciulla del West.

>> No.51367505
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51367505

https://mega.co.nz/#!cYAVHJ6Q!WNaNwxg31NTlzHeIntKh8TxlTkpPMtT0oSnIm5L94bY

>> No.51367585

i honestly think fricsay is a bit overrated.

>> No.51367626

>>51367585
literally die

>> No.51367633

>>51367585
He kind of went Klemperer, albeit over a much shorter period of time. An amazing conductor who eventually adopts slow tempi for fast movements.

>> No.51367697

>>51367626
you see: i have his 1950's recordings of bartók works for dg on cd & those recordings aren't nearly ast tight as fritz reiner's for rca or kubelik for mercury. also that supposedly terrific fricsay beethoven 9th is just ok imho. sorry guys.

what do you reckon is fricsay's piece de resistance then?

>> No.51367712

>>51367633
his 50's recordings are goat, there's no denying, he's not even that slow either

>> No.51367764

>>51367697
Adjust your ears m8, Reiner is tasteless, Fricsay is the definite Bartok out of all the hungarians

>> No.51367801
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51367801

https://mega.co.nz/#!UQYDhCob!MUr34oJLs868lDNUImDvW1amxicnOooRfF-4TFBpKUc

>> No.51367847

>>51367764
reiner's concerto for orchestra (1954 i think, rca living stereo) is the best recording imho. for MSPC i like kubelik's (1951? for mercury living presence) most of all.

as i said: i own fricsays recordings of both works for DG, but i think they're inferior.

>> No.51367849

>>51367764
>tasteless
how

>> No.51367954

>>51367847
yeah, that's not right

>>51367849
i'd go more indepth but i'd need to listen right now and i can't, but i'm pretty sure it lacks the refinement of dynamics and tone of ferenc, it's tacky

>> No.51367981

>>51367849
baffles me. i guess people might think reiner wasn't sentimental enough, no real drama. but tasteless? i don't understand that at all. he showed good taste at all times as far as i'm concerned.

>> No.51368042

>>51367954
>i'm pretty sure

at least put some effort into it. dismissing reiner is just silly.

>> No.51368114

>>51368042
>muh stereo recording

>> No.51368122

Does Reiner have a single bad recording made?

>> No.51368141

>>51367697
Listen to both the studio and the live Verdi Requiem. The studio one is one of the fastest, tightest performances out there, one of the few one disc Verdi Requiems. The later live performance is 17 minutes slower, and one of the most expressively inflected performances out there. The ending of the "Libera me" fugue is symptomatic of it, the tempo contrasts are extreme, the music seems to disintegrate as the " Libera me, Domine, de morte aeterna" climax finally crashes in. It's one of the most intense moments in music on record for me.

>>51367712
Yes, but slower, yet more flexible tempi are definitely a hallmark of his last years.

>> No.51368175

>>51368122
are you referring to audio quality or interpretation? because if it's the latter than it very much depends on your standards...

>> No.51368218

>>51368114
has nothing to do with that. my favorite recording of MSPC by kubelik is mono. about the concerto for orchestra: chicago symphony was really at its peak, and reiner was a terrific conductor who by the way was involved in the making of the work as well.

>> No.51368219

>>51368141
Oh yes, I was just listening to it, fucking intense

>> No.51368275

>>51368122
i don't think so. but i for one don't really rate his recording of mahler 4. (although i realise it's very popular)

>> No.51368485
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>>51368219
Yeah, there's only one other Verdi Requiem I need in my life.

Speaking of Markevitch, listening to this performance of Beethoven 5 for the first time. For some reason it reminds me of Furtwängler's Beethoven 5, though I like it even better so far.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMZOzkjXXDs

>> No.51368575

>>51368485
>For some reason it reminds me of Furtwängler's Beethoven 5, though I like it even better so far.
That's exactly what I though, if I recall correctly it's like a legato approach, which I'm not a fan of, I prefer more staccato and dynamism in that symphony

>> No.51368599

>>51368141

I've not given the Fricsay Verdi a listen. Since it's one of my favourite pieces, I might as well.

Will be reporting back at some point tomorrow with my impressions

>> No.51368628

>>51368485
that's a nice beethoven 5th. too bad the brass section isn't quite up to scratch.

>> No.51368652

Why does Koroliov get so much hate here?

>> No.51368674

>>51368599
This is his Verdi Requiem in some of his last times on this planet, judging by the perfomance he knew this, the Rossini Stabat Mater is also great

http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4094611

>> No.51368680

>>51368485

I've got Markevitch's recording of the Cherubini Requiem (the good one, in D minor) and the Mozart Coronation mass.

>tfw Markevitch's compositions never really took off since Stravinsky was a dick to him

>> No.51368698

>>51368652
because he's a meme

>> No.51368706

>>51368674

Yeah, I checked rutracker before asking for an upload, currently downloading it now, but since it's just past one in the morning here, I'm sort of in the mood for an early-ish night

>> No.51368710

>>51368575
>That's exactly what I though, if I recall correctly it's like a legato approach, which I'm not a fan of, I prefer more staccato and dynamism in that symphony
So do I. My ideal is Scherchen/1951 (featuring the GOAT timpani performance for that piece): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpmCASJfg3g

Also, a great attaca transtion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvDetqKedRI#t=4m57s

>>51368628
Yes, that's a typical issue with the Orchestre Lamoureux. :(

>>51368652
Post-meme fallout.

>> No.51368713

What are some essential Chopin compositions?

>> No.51368734
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>>51368485
Have you heard Abbado's recording?

Its the only one I've heard, but like most abbado recordings, its top-notch.

>> No.51368764

>>51368710
Scherchen is GOAT, too bad the only cycle I could download was that Andromeda one on Rutracker, and it sounds terrible

>> No.51368770

>>51368734

Yeah that's the one I've got.

Everyone should have a listen to the the Celi Verdi Requiem, just for laughs.

>> No.51368789

so...

fricsay's piece de resistance is a somewhat overblown recordings of an overblown composition? (verdi requiem)

*hides*

>> No.51368843

>>51368713
The Préludes not only cover all of the solo piano genres relevant to Chopin (making it easy to pick out what you like: Just read up on the pieces you like and see if it's an Étude or a Mazurka etc.), they also contain his most radical and uncompromising thoughts in music, from morbid attacks on monotonality to the greatest musical aphorisms before Schoenberg & Co.

If you want a complete recording in stereo you could do worse than Cherkassky (Great Pianists of the 20th Century), otherwise the historic wartime Cortot (Andante Solo Piano) has a special place in my heart.

>>51368764
I have the Archipel master, which is probably a bit better.

>> No.51368875

>>51368713
mazurkas & preludes.

>> No.51368882

>>51368843
i'm jealous, the difference of quality between that westminster reissue and the andromeda is ridiculous

>> No.51368920
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>>51368789
>piece de resistance

>> No.51368956
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51368956

>>51368734
>Abbado

>> No.51368959

>>51368882
That's because the Westminster disc with Nos. 3 & 6 is a later stereo recording, the performances from the earlier cycle (half of it with the Vienna State Opera Orchestra, half of it with an incognito Royal Philharmonic) is completely in mono. Also, the VSOO part of it is less remarkable than the later recordings, or the RPO bits.

>> No.51368966

>>51368789

nice b8arooney m8.

I used to think the Verdi was overblown too, but then I had a proper listen to it. The piece is a real treat, and the Libera Me is probably the finest setting of the text in the entire Requiem repertory (the Britten is probably my favourite, but I feel that since it owes so much to Verdi's, I'm going to let G-man have it)

>> No.51369002

>>51357765

Highest: Bach

Lowest: Schoenberg

>> No.51369054

>>51368959
yeah i notice it's a different recording, but i mean i wish we could've had a cycle as good sounding

by the way, how listenable is that archipiel recording, is it uploadable or too big a file?

>> No.51369058

>>51368789
Late Verdi isn't overblown, it's just incredibly efficient both in that all of its effects hit home because they are so perfectly employed, and that it doesn't waste time with empty rhetoric or tiresome thematic transformations. In some ways Falstaff (and, to a lesser degree, Otello) are just as radical as late Wagner, albeit in a different way: Falstaff does not seem to have much in the way of themes, it has gestures. Much 20th century opera is hard to imagine without the kinda super terse late Verdi style, and everything from Britten to Berg owes much to it.

>> No.51369100
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https://mega.co.nz/#!UJAzQD4S!ARAdvOMvQMIXM2r4sMFDKWcDVZ2otlhHoTx8llwIx4g

>> No.51369109

>>51369054
Good 50s mono.

I only have the RPO performances ripped, but those are what's recommendable about the cycle anyways. Uploading them now.

>> No.51369119

>>51369058
i'll look into it. so far i've always prefered puccini.

>> No.51369147

>>51369119

Puccini owes everything to Verdi.

And I say that as someone who adores Puccini

>> No.51369171

>>51369147
that doesn't mean verdi was a better composer though?

>> No.51369215

>>51369119
The only Puccini I really like is >>51367116, and it definitely took some cues from Falstaff.

>>51369171
Not necessarily (he still is though). Maybe if Puccini had lived longer he, too, might've taken a hiatus from composing in order to study counterpoint and strip his craft of everything expendable.

>> No.51369307
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This album is actually kind of like a bunch of avant-garde classical pieces referencing blues, the 'folk music' of the 'composer''s day. It was written out in notation and rehearsed incessantly and features songs that stray far from pop structure.

It's also fascinating hearing early versions of these songs. I didn't believe the people who said it was all written out, until I found this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMRp4Pr-w_Q

>> No.51369332
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https://mega.co.nz/#!tRYFSAAI!NRLpB_qiL5pa8aYyQpp7P-TgF_9ksMcOZmKcp1I4Kuk

>> No.51369335

>>51369215
>study counterpoint

why do so many people consider counterpoint to be the be-all and end-all of classical composition. after all it's just a gimmick, though a very smart one. honest question.

>> No.51369350
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Symphonies Nos. 2, 4, 5 & 8 (Hermann Scherchen / Royal Philharmonic Orchestra)
https://mega.co.nz/#!uEEADCpB!ju80sc3GgOjQ6KT7XX7NulEnQmcfqAoJsEej2xtm_H4

>> No.51369361

>>51369109
alright

>> No.51369375

>>51369350
Can you post downloads for good recordings of all of Beethoven's symphonies? I haven't yet heard them and don't know any great recordings yet

>> No.51369388

>>51369350
oh great man, checking it out

>> No.51369473

>>51369307
It's obviously blues/jazz influenced but I hardly think of it as being that kind of album, it's seriously one of the few albums I can think of that is a genre of its own. I prefer listening to artists with a unique sound/voice that don't sound like anybody else but TMR is a completely style of music than anything else, all together. "Avant-Garde" is more or less just an umbrella term used for lack of a better word, the way I see it.

>> No.51369498

>>51369171

To my mind, Puccini was the master of the leitmotif; he takes a theme, links it to a character and then by manipulating it, is able to use it as a story-telling device in the same way as others used the libretto.

But as SDF said, the movement of Puccini away from the arioso-recit style and into that naturalistic style which makes him so popular comes from Verdi, particularly Falstaff.

If he had lived a little longer, we might have seen some very interesting new works from him. Turandot points to a future where Puccini was on his way to perfecting the operatic form of his day, but we'll never know really

>> No.51369520

Also, SDF, are you aware that that abbreviation means 'Homeless person' in French?

>> No.51369533
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>>51369375
Ludwig van Beethoven - The Complete Symphonies (René Leibowitz / Royal Philharmonic Orchestra)
https://mega.co.nz/#!CVVlnY6b!xeHdQNpL78MljiLBpBBZjzw9pEPJQ8LHmIw2UC-b8xk

My personal favorite - the only Adorno-approved Beethoven cycle there is. Beethoven that is lithe and fleet, with none of the short-winded trappings of historicist performances.

>>51369520
I did not know but do not mind.

>> No.51369568

>>51369350
>>51369533
I don't visit these threads anymore. Were you lnyd/seavas or someone else before?

>> No.51369591

>>51369568
Yep.

>> No.51369653

>>51369591
ok, didn't think I'd see Scherchen and Leibowitz here again tho I don't keep up anyway

>> No.51369699

8 cd boxed set of pacifica quartet's complete recordings of shostakovich string quartets is dirt cheap right now. check it out.

>> No.51369700
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>>51369307
>tfw TMR is better than all classical

why live

>> No.51369727

all this elaborate bait

>> No.51369805

>>51369700
Don't even joke like that

>> No.51369850

>>51369727
what's elaborate?

>> No.51369895

>>51369335
>>51369335

anyone?

>> No.51369909

>>51369895

Name a better gimmick

>> No.51369915

Daily reminder that this is the greatest wartime Beethoven Ninth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5dK_Minqd8

Runner-up (due to cheesy re-scorings):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSdYBZqD6n0#t=6m

>> No.51369923

>>51369700
In terms of general enjoyment, it's basically the most enjoyable piece of popular music I've heard

>> No.51369975

>>51369909
what about no gimmick? just plain rhythm-melody-harmony.

gimme dat ol time religion, dat is good enough fo me.

>> No.51369981

>>51369805
You say The Art of Fugue, I say Frownland
You say Messiah, I say Wild Life
You say Beethoven 9, I say Moonlight on Vermont

>> No.51370004

>>51369981
What's the best song on Trout Mask Replica, and why is it Dachau Blues?

>> No.51370007

dachau blues

dose poor juice

>> No.51370010

>>51369895
Oh I'd already forgotten about your statement because it was so stupid.

>>51369335
>why do so many people consider counterpoint to be the be-all and end-all of classical composition. after all it's just a gimmick, though a very smart one. honest question.
It's not a gimmick. It touches on virtually every other musical parameter, and significantly affects the most important musical parameter, time, in functionally tonal music.

You're confusing "counterpoint", which is the study of how harmony works on an intervallic level, with "polyphony", which is a particular texture. Even strictly homophonic or even homorhythmic music may be governed by counterpoint.

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>>51369981
le 9.5/10 face

>> No.51370035

>>51370004
The mothership's the one

>> No.51370036

>taking the bait

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>>51370022
>implying rating Faust and Trout Mask Replica as two of the three 9.5s wasn't accurate as fuck

>> No.51370078

>>51370060
seriously though, stop spamming that shit here

>> No.51370086

>>51370010
>which is a particular texture. Even strictly homophonic or even homorhythmic music may be governed by counterpoint.

i don't understand you. when i look up the definition of counterpoint, i find this:

>The technique of combining two or more melodic lines in such a way that they establish a harmonic relationship while retaining their linear individuality.

>> No.51370093

Hey guys, I'm beginning to dig into classical as I'm branching out, and I was just wondering; how do you guys critique pieces? I have a pretty rudimentary knowledge of theory (I know time signatures, other super basic stuff) Anyways, I really enjoyed The Planets (conducted by Seiji Ozawa, if it matters to you. I have a feeling from browsing a bit that you do) and really enjoyed it

>> No.51370111

>>51370035
Pure poetry. The best lyrics are on Steal Softly though

The black paper between a mirror breaks my heart
The moon frayed through dark velvet lightly apart
Steal softly through sunshine, steal softly thru snow

The wild goose flies from winter
Breaks my heart that I can't go, energy flies through a field
And the sun softly melts a nothing wheel
Steal softly through sunshine, steal softly thru snow

The black paper between a mirror
Breaks my heart that I can't go
The swan their feathers don't grow, they're spun
They live two hundred years of love, they're one

Breaks my heart to see them cross the sun

Grain grows rainbows up straw hill
Breaks my heart to see the highway cross the hills
Man lived a million years and still he kills

The black paper between a mirror
Breaks my heart that I can't go
Steal softly through sunshine, steal softly thru snow

>> No.51370118

>>51370093
acquire taste

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>>51370078

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>>51370078
You'll at least admit it's a pretty damn good popular music album though

>> No.51370173

>>51370132
please.

>> No.51370176

oh no they're invading

make no mistake, if nothing is done /classical/ is gonna be all
>further proof zappa is underrated
in 2 weeks

>> No.51370191

>>51370176
just further proof mozart is underrated after all

>> No.51370200

>>51370111
Sweet sweet sweet sweet bulbs grow in m’ latest garden
Warm warm warm warm warm sun fingers wave
In m’ latest garden
Flowers dance their faces brave
Come talk freely in the garden of m’ lady

>> No.51370204

>>51370118
ok
I was wondering how specific people digested it, not tips on what I should do

>> No.51370208

>>51370093

Have a look through this

http://pastebin.com/L5Bs10iE

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>>51370176
Who is invading now? Speak up a bit

>> No.51370247

>>51370208
Thank's a lot!

>> No.51370252

>>51370176
>implying Zappa isn't horribly overrated

I mean, jesus, just look at this >>51359609

>> No.51370267

>>51370093
>I really enjoyed The Planets (conducted by Seiji Ozawa, if it matters to you).

i don't much like that work, but that is certainly a good recording.

>> No.51370279

>>51370252
Beefheart is so much better than Zappa it isn't funny

>> No.51370294

>>51370218
go away crudblud's ghost, go away

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>>51370279

>> No.51370343

>>51370204
Just enjoy it and compare the different interpretation there are, but remember the quality of music interpreters diminished a lot from the 70's onwards so do compare with earlier recordings to have a better view on things

>> No.51370348

>>51370086
That's not a scholarly definition.

Here's a better, more neutral one:
>A term, first used in the 14th century, to describe the combination of simultaneously sounding musical lines according to a system of rules. It has also been used to designate a voice or even an entire composition (e.g. Vincenzo Galilei's Contrapunti a due voci, 1584, or the contrapuncti of J.S. Bach's Art of Fugue) devised according to the principles of counterpoint.
That's more neutral, and does not mingle the terms "counterpoint" and "polyphony". (Grove Music Online: Counterpoint)

Also, "linear individuality" should not be understood as "independence" but rather has to be seen from the ideal of "varietas". Which, among other things, entailed that two voices should not be solmized with the same syllables, because that would mean their intervallic environments would be very similar - hence the ban on parallel fifths and octaves, as voices in such parallel intervals carry the same solmization syllables (since the three hexachords of solmization are a fifth apart each). Traditionally, counterpoint was taught as interval succession, and primarily in undiminuted two-voice textures.

>> No.51370352

>>51370279
absolutely. beefheart without zappa's involvement is so much better.

>> No.51370389

>>51370294

Whatever happened to all the 'lesser' trips who are ded from >>51359609

>> No.51370432

>>51370314
Scruff disagrees.

>> No.51370438

>>51370389
some dropped their trip and post as anonymous

>> No.51370440

>>51370348
Counterpoint and polyphony can also appear seperately, consider gamelan music, which is polyphonic but not contrapuntal, and Chopin, whose music is seldom polyphonic but often highly contrapuntal.

>> No.51370459

>>51370432
Scruff is also shite.
Fuck off Ame.

>> No.51370502

>>51370389

Always wondered what happened to le irishman and le canadian.

I've seen Tallis post a couple of times, but after the great tripfag meetup, they all seem to have diminished

>> No.51370514

>>51369533
Is this v0?

>> No.51370558

>>51370514
Everything I post is.

>> No.51370561

>>51370459
Faust and TMR are fantastic, though

>> No.51370593

>>51370267
What do you dislike about it?
>>51370343
Thank you! I'll keep that all in mind :)

>> No.51370596

>>51370440
admittedly, this is just a bit 2deep4me. but i do know that a rather simple melody by puccini ("che faranno i vecchi miei") or r. strauss chromaticism in vier letzte lieder say more to me than j.s. bach's endless counterpoint.

plebeianism is bliss.

>> No.51370652

>>51370596
Strauss' harmony is highly contrapuntal though, and his music frequently polyphonic.

I think you may not dislike counterpoint or polyphony, but rather just the baroque aesthetic of (relatively) homogeneous texture, rhythm and affect.

>> No.51370659

>>51370558
Thanks, good to know

>> No.51370663

>>51370647
>>51370647
>>51370647
new thread with a quality subject

>> No.51370672

>>51370663
god bless you

>> No.51371981

>>51357765
Lowest: Mussorgsky

He had heart though.

>> No.51372030

Supposedly Saint Saens was a child prodigy in everything including music.

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