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>>50383116
Sure most jazz groups didn't get that big more because of practicality. That's part of the reason Duke Ellington's orchestra fell out of fashion as cheaper to hire, smaller bebop groups were popping up.

I don't know if it quite belongs here, but pic related
Besides that, the family dinner vol 1 album by snarky puppy is great
viagem by nicola conte
and I recently gave waka/jawaka by frank zappa a relisten

>>50383438
that's probably part of the answer indeed

>>50383463
you seem to be more interested in fusion than straight jazz. if you haven't heard them, great fusion albums came out on the Three blind mice label

>>50383463
Earth Wind and Fire are bloody fantstic and like all the best funk bands they take jazz influence.
Also, /jazz/ has a thing about insisting that Snarky Puppy isn't jazz either.

>>50383116
>>50383438
>>50383545
Was Monk particularly wealthy? Like he certainly put out a lot of albums and his name is well known so I'd imagine he'd have the money just to do whatever he wanted.

>>50383584
because you record a lot doesn't mean that you're wealthy, especially when you're a black jazzman
the wages and royalties were often quite low

>>50383658
It means he could afford studio time, session musicians, touring and labels were supporting his output. Surely there must have been a decent amount of money flowing in or he simply wouldn't have been able to keep putting albums out.

>>50383707
why wouldn't he have been able to keep getting albums out, it's record labels that decide this kind of stuff

>>50383796
If people were losing money then they probably wouldn't have kept him on board. The sales must have been enough to fund the sessions because the label still needs to make money.

Does anybody knows of Monk was clasically trained? I remember that someone told me he wasn't but i don't know how informed that guy was.

>friend gives me Rolling Stone jazz guide
>hmm
>everything bebop has 5 stars
>everything fusion gets 3 at best, unless Miles did it in which case it gets 5
>west coast barely pushes 2 stars
>everything Miles and Coltrane did worshipped regardless of whether it was good purely because they did it
>Decoy and Interstellar Space get 4 stars each
Why did I even bother, seriously

>>50383900
Why would you any different? Rolling Stone barely know anything about the genre they focus on.

Does anybody else find A Love Supreme to be overrated? It's a good album, there are some pretty amazing parts of it, but some of it just feels a bit... mediocre. I don't know, I feel like Coltrane has much better records than this one (My Favorite Things, Live At Birdland, even Crescent). I do love how this thing ends like it begins and sort of feels like one work, but I feel like he has other stuff that exceeds this

>>50383897
I'm pretty sure he was mostly self taught and attended (but didn't graduate) college learning music theory.

Woah, I didn't know there was a Jazz thread.

I am looking for songs like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adco8c_rIU0

And/Or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMnrl0tmd3k

Any songs similar would be great, I love them both. The second one is perfect when paired with rainymood.com too.

>>50383939
Controversial opinion and I agree entirely. I think it would have benefitted from a big band like Ascension.

>>50383944
Check out Waltz for Debby and Portrait in Jazz, both by Bill Evans.

>>50383939
I think anything that is acknowledged as the best of anything is usually overated but A Love Supreme is superb.
The way the soloists are constantly referencing the structure and themes throughout the whole album even of previous songs is kinda genius.
People always tout Freak out as revolutionary as a concept album but I think A Love Supreme does a far more cohesive job of linking Coltrane's spiritual themes though much more subtle and more successful ways than Sgt Pepper or Freak Out.
Also, who doesn't love that drum solo.

>>50383858
I don't think a label will pay you more if you make money for them unless you get a #1 hit, which Monk never had
imo he was just an average seller (Monk's dream is his most sold album and still didn't chart anything) that people didn't listen to because too far out from the usual jazz music of the times

>>50383939
I kinda agree, it's a great album but it's way too much talked about as the definitive Coltrane album, while some other great stuff by him is often left behind

>>50383557
That sucks, because jazz or not, snarky puppy is really good at what they do. And it's stupid to invalidate a whole genre because of straight eighth notes

>>50384051
This is basically the biggest thing I loved about it. Halfway through when you start hearing the themes echoed in the other players, it's just genius.

But as a whole I feel like he has stronger albums

By the way, has anyone ever just made it so that the album keeps looping or something? Like at the end just copy and paste everything after the bass solo so it's just like the beginning

>>50384090
Still. He was selling enough to justify producing a monstrously large number of albums.
Also, if you like Olé a lot, I'd reccomend checking out some of Magma's jazzier stuff. Christian Vander adored Coltrane and you can hear how albums like Olé has a huge influence on his music.
>>50384161
People here aren't really dismissing them but they'd be better received in a prog thread.
>>50384163
>By the way, has anyone ever just made it so that the album keeps looping or something?
ha that sounds like fun but I don't think I'd ever listen to ALS twice in a row. Any time I listen to that I kinda need to take a minute just to have this kind of "that just happened" moment.
Mind, I actually do prefer My Favourite Things. Never has a song had such an ability to worm it's way into my head and I guarantee; it's not because I'm a big fan of the Sound of Music.

>>50384235
I already listened to Vander albums, and indeed they're pretty good, the guy has some strong jazz roots that didn't got destroyed by zeuhl

>>50384235
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPHB6hm2wV8
yeah, a bossa nova tune would go over great in a King Crimson circle jerk.
I'll just post 'actual' jazz then. I like Joe Henderson and Kenny Dorham together than Miles Davis and John Coltrane together

>>50384390
Tbh unless you're talking to someone who listens exclusively to Rush and Genesis, I can't see many prog fans not liking this. It's pretty fantastic.

What's a good jazz album to get more into the genre other than the obvious ones (coltrane and co)? I really enjoyed Coltrane and Armstrong. Is there a /mu/ essential jazz guide or something?

>>50384502
Jazzthreadguy's chart is quite well put together, albiet a tad conservative. It's a great way to find your way around different genres and gives a description and history of jazz.
http://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/thread/S50218702#p50219461

>>50384502
I usually see that this album is left out a lot of times.

What are thoughts on Things Are Getting Better by Cannonball Adderley?

is this the greatest achievement in live jazz in the modern era?

also why haven't you heard it yet?

>>50384050

Portrait in Jazz is GREAT, thanks man. The other one, while I didn't enjoy it as much as Portrait in Jazz, is pretty good as well.

>>50385128
I didn't really like Conference of the Birds, Should I try this next or is there other Holland albums I might like?

>>50384745
this one's always good to hear

>>50385128
it's quite good, way less free than Conference of the birds, Holland gets some incredible basslines going on, but I wouldn't call it my favorite post-2000 jazz album though

>>50385249
what didn't you like about conference of the birds? holland has a lot of really varied music. the quintet is pretty different from conference of the birds

>>50385415
There were deffinatly parts that I liked. I liked the title track and Q&A but didn't really like tracks like Four Winds and interception.
I do like free playing but I don't really like tracks like those two because it's like the rest of the band is laying down a structure but it doesn't feel like the soloist is really paying much attention to it.
I'd rather listen to something just completely ostensibly and unquestionably mad like Q&A than be on the edge but I suppose more than anything, I'd like tracks like Four Winds but a bit more reigned in.

>>50385525
yeah I'd say its worth checking out the quintet. its much less free, but there are times where it ends up being almost completely free. but the band is almost always paying attention to what each other is playing

>>50385128
No, this

I found this on the jb club and it's terrific. surprise surprise.
Bryant was a really underrated pianist and it's a shame he didn't record more.

also it really depresses me that Shadow Wilson didn't get to record more. pic related has become one of my favorites in the past couple months. man, that guy had a way with the slow brushes.

I found this album fairly recently, and it's pretty decent. A couple duds, but overall pretty good. Any opinions on it?

>>50386892
the jailbait club?

>>50387300
kek
jazzblues club

this is another amazing historical recording I heard recently featuring the great ben webster. anyone want to req an upload?

Mary Lou Williams has really impressed me lately. Ellington is the only other early jazz pianist/arranger I can think of who adapted so well to modern jazz's approach.