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>>50024470
such as?

>>50024470
i don't know that feel sorry

Must be hard to be a pleb.

>>50024490
y dont u tell me

>convince yourself it's art
fuck off back to /v/

Why would you do this?

I get listening to something to try it out and keeping with it to see if you'll end up liking it.

But if you don't fucking like it, don't listen to it.

>>50024507

I wouldn't know I am quite edgy and patrician myself.

>you're only pretending!

why do people think that labeling something as art denotes a certain standard of quality

>>50024477
Any serialism composition.
Any spectralism composition.
Any musique concrete record.
Any lowercase record.
Any field recordings record.
Any Stochastic composition.
Any New Complexity composition.
Any harsh noise wall record.
Any EAI record.
Any onkyo record.
Almost any drone record.
Almost any noise record.
Some krautrock records.

>>50024567
how can somebody be this plebeian

>>50024555
define art

>>50024567
If you don't like these things, why do you listen to them?

That makes no fucking sense. If someone tells you that pop music is expression and art, are you going to fucking buy every Britney Spears and NSYNC album you see?

You don't have to like everything, you dumbass.

>>50024587
No.

>>50024567
Sounds like you hate music.
>>50024587
can we not start this

>>50024607
I want to give everything a chance and force myself to like it. Every time I hear someone lavish some of those genres with praise it sends me back to try them again because I feel left out.

>>50024587
everyone can define art their own way, but i think we can all agree that anything can be art as long as that thing has been made with the intention of being art regardless of any of the artist's own ideas behind it

>>50024644
>Sounds like you hate music.
I don't hate music, I like lo-fi, post-hardcore, midwest emo, ambient, post-metal, chicago soul, animal collective, aphex twin, gy!be and others...

>>50024470
>implying you have to enjoy a piece of art to appreciate it's value or gain something from it
Pleb.

>>50024769
You shouldn't be forcing yourself to listen to music because you think you have to, listen to what you enjoy.

>>50024819
I want to be into everything and like everything.

All music has merit, just depends how much

>>50024555
Stupidity mostly.

>>50024567
2avantgarde4u

>>50024580
misses
>almost


>>50024470
8/10
>Kanye picture
Too obvious.

Otherwise, 2L8 2h8, gr8 b8 m8

>>50024580
You misspelled "patrician".

>>50024845
I like everything on facebook. It makes me popular.

>>50024567
I swear to god you dont know what half of these mean.
You probably just pulled the ones at the top of hampus' troll chart and added a few.

>>50025337
pics or it didn't happen.
post chart.

>>50024769
Write your list down, keep on listening to music and broadening your horizon, see if you still feel the same way in a year or two. I can almost guarantee you that you wont.

>>50024681
what if they want to make art for the sake of making money or commerce and sell said art? Is it still art? Even meta-art? Or just a product.

>>50025394
Product =/= art

Yes it is art, never heard of pop art or post modernism?

>>50025427
I ment to say that product doesn't exclude art, i fucked up.

I don't see why people have such hangups about "forcing yourself to like something" or "appearing smarter".

It's not bad to try to expand your tastes and learn about new things. If it takes effort to appreciate and understand something, that's only a good thing. Your own personal entertainment isn't the highest purpose of art.

>>50024567
and these are great

>>50024651
I know that alienated feel. mfw it doesn't change anything when I'm sincere. The only art is love. loving yourself others is loving yourself, and loving yourself is loving others.

>>50024567
I only tend to like the most accessible artists in this genre. I'm such a plebeian. :(

>>50025487
no you did't, it was a freudian slip. I can feel it in my bones.

>>50025605
me too. but my iTunes account is full and my last.fm chart is already turning people away from me. mfw I have no qt boyfriend anymore

>>50024567
Based hitler, my dude

Is anyone here unironically listening to Kanye West?
I've always thought you're only trolling. Seriously!

>>50025584
i don't even understand at all. are u trying to look deep or just a troll. or are u an ugly lonely gril

>>50025652
KANYE WEST IS THE GREATEST FUCKING ARTIST OF ALL TIME YOU STUPID RETARDED PLEBEIAN COCKSUCKER
>>>/REDDIT/
YOU FUCKING FAGGOT, YEEZY IS A FUCKING GOD.
FUCK YOURSELF. CHOKE YOURSELF.

I feel the same thing about kanye

>>50025652
uh yeah, I love Kanye, seriously. why would anyone even troll or be ironic about that?

Fucking fuck off now h8rs. Kanye is 2deep4u obviously

>tfw certain records sound like utter garbage or they're completely "unlistenable" but you convince yourself it's art and force yourself to like it in order to look more intelligent and open minded and also to be a special snowflake

Whenever I see that all I can think is that whoever said that is more concerned with their image than actually listening to music.

>>50025709
Because he cant rap for shit and his beats are just ok.

>>50025782
YEEZY IS A FUCKING GOD YOU STUPID PLEB COCKSUCKER. GREATEST FUCKING RAPPER EVER, GREATEST PRODUCER EVER, HIS BEATS ARE LEGENDARY AND WILL BE REMEMBER FOR ALL OF TIME.
GO THE FUCK BACK TO REDDIT YOU STUPID FAGGOT PLEB SHIT COCKSUCKING FUCK.

Music isn't bad just because it doesn't cater to your preferences. You don't have to like something to appreciate it. Your enjoyment ultimately isn't important.

>>50025844
He's so brilliant. Honestly the most important person to ever exist.

>>50025748
Yeah, that's a Hampus thing to do. I get the impression that some people just listen superficially to a broad range of music just to boost the artist count on their last.fm and have as many different writing systems as possible in their last 7 days.

That's fine if you just want to try a few things and get the general idea, but you don't really get a lot out of it. It all just blurs together. If you really want to try something new and difficult, it requires repeated, attentive listening and reading.

>>50024567
Here are some examples of each for those of you just starting out in music:

>serialism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn7Ud_8-xk8&list=PLYu_bCrG31WE8NUur5CJOdOfkhyuG_h6H
>spectralism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Db_uz1a2v8&list=PLd1bN39lopr_Czr4ZB2ctQSfJr9GV09Qf
>musique concrete
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHLmitA3o6g&list=PLUakCajdY9i-rtV5i_D5JiFSji3278jTP
>lowercase
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA_sOjy98Lg&list=PLDgz_mnzmc11v4uLOXGQwzoefC5sDTAFY
>field recordings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL-nTv5LL9g&list=PL-scAH08KwDOxq36dr3gWOMmYyyNwWY4d
>Stochastic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=depj8C21YHg&list=PLjPlO-JRxUKQIwxuCE2dxoxtejyfuBRIZ
>New Complexity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLNDK15bC1o&list=PL2948C9682E4C72B8

>>50025748
What's wrong with that?

>>50026009
I never said there was anything wrong with it. As long as you can admit that you're just listening to music to make yourself look cool don't bother the people that actually enjoy listening to more esoteric stuff.

>>50026009
It's shallow. It's fashion rather than genuine intellectual curiosity. You gain nothing from it. You just become the guy with the Joy Division Closer shirt who's never heard of New Order.

>>50025906
I like krautrock (faust st) and some noise and drone

I dont know ANYTHING about serialism, spectralism, etc., where do I begin?

btw I like that serialism yt video

>>50026211
>serialism
Schoenberg, Berg, Boulez, Babbitt, the list could go on...
>spectralism
This isn't really one "genre" as such, as there are a lot of different approaches that aren't really similar in either aesthetic or technique. The main players are Grisey and Murail. I don't think it's really that useful a term. It kinda fragments into a lot of different aspects of contemporary music...

>>50026384
I'd like to know something also about the other genres he mentioned:

lowercase, stochastic, new complexity, eai, onkyo(?)

is there any chart? any list? I cant even find collages on what.cd

>>50026431
If it's on what.cd, it's already too popular.

>>50026464
>caring about popolarity
and now who is the pleb again?

>>50026431
For lowercase, check out everything by Steve Roden; for stochastic, check out Xenakis.

>>50024587
Art is a trigger for an experience. It can be anything.

>>50026464
Based muh bruh.

>>50026170
But what's wrong with shallow? I gain blowjobs and people like me for it. They don't want the truth. They want me to be like them, it makes them feel comfortable. Only hipsters like anything 'deep' anyway.

>>50026431
There's the Hampus tard chart but it's completely worthless.

Lowercase is mostly the quieter end of either glitch or EAI. Onkyo isn't far off.

Stochastic refers to the use of randomness in composition, but doesn't imply any specific technique. It's used in different ways and under different names by different composers. Try Xenakis.

New complexity is sort of post-Babbitt and usually means stuff like Elliott Carter. It's the opposite of spectralism in the sense that it prioritizes form over timbre.

EAI is free improvisation. Listen to AMM.

Onkyo is japanese minimalist free improvisation. Listen to Otomo Yoshihide (but he has a huge range in his work).

The thing is, contemporary music is really fragmented and these terms are either overly specific or overly vague to the point that they're nearly useless.

>>50026592
>>50026510
indeed AMM, some of the things Im listening reminds me of free jazz/avantgarde

>>50026617
If you want old-school noise music, check out Luigi Russolo.

>>50026617
It's derived from free jazz. Usually free improvisation implies extended technique and EAI implies novel instruments.

>>50024470

>>50026592
post chart plz boss

>>50025709
Why people hate Kanye West:

1) He is not just confident, he thinks he is god's gift to the world. He compares himself to Shakespeare, Mozart and considers himself infinitely better than any other of his peers. He calls himself a genius. He is the definition of a narcissistic egomaniac.

2) He is extremely childish and can't face criticism. See those two radio interviews where he lost his shit and started acting like an autistic child.

3) He is a huge hypocrite. He will diss corporates like Nike and then do Adidas commercials. He wants to be keeping it real, then he does shit like sell $120 white t-shirts.

4) The VMA things was shitty because it shows he is an autistic man child who thinks his opinion is more important than anything else.

5) He is extremely shallow. He married a reality tv star and his life is a celebrity sideshow. He represents the absolute worst of celebrity culture.

6) Publications have declared him a genius and give all his albums extremely high scores despite the fact that he is atrocious lyrically. He can barely speak, and people get annoyed with hearing how genius he is for nonsensical rants.

7) He thinks AIDs is a government conspiracy.

8) He makes a living off of sampling other people's music.

9) He is homophobic, stating he's not sure if gay people should be married.

10) He is sexist, see his liberal use of the word bitch, his treatment of women in his lyrics or the Monster video which had dead white naked models as a backdrop.

11) He trivializes real racism by saying shit like celebrities are treated like blacks in the 1960s.

12) He thinks reading books is stupid, yet he co-wrote a very bad book full of really lame inspirational quotes.

13) He spawned a lot of unfunny memes.

>>50026592
>Lowercase is mostly the quieter end of either glitch or EAI
lol?

no it isn't, lowercase has nothing to do in common with eai

>>50027228
or glitch, for that matter

>>50027203
I don't want to live in a world without somebody as self-centered as Kanye

why cant we all just be ok with the fact that evrybody likes different types of music and stop arguing about it like retarded 12 year olds

>>50025748
>is more concerned with their image than actually listening to music
But I do this without anyone knowing that I listen to this kind of stuff.

No one in real life knows about my taste, and I'm not an epic /mu/ personality or something.

>>50024470
This. At one point I thought bigger file size meants more kpbs which meant better sound quality... I downloaded In Rainbows in FLAC from a vinyl rip and it was so dusty sounding and quiet and shitty that I went back to my 320 mp3

>>50027446
I'm having a hard time understanding what you're trying to say with this post. Can you please elaborate?

>>50025844
But he is quite right, everything is casuality and effect.

For me was what he was trying to say in that segment

>>50027545
by image do you mean how other people perceive you?

if someone never talks with others about their taste in music then it means that they don't listen to those obscure/whatever artists for their image

>>50027602
Ah ok so what I really meant by that was that when I see people saying that certain albums are garbage and unlistenable and that people are listening to them just to seem intelligent or as a 'special snowflake' It makes them seem exactly what they claim to not be. By shunning albums they cannot get into they try to act more intelligent.

It's ok to not like a piece of music and It's ok to like very strange esoteric music. When you decide the value of that music for someone else and claim that they only like it because they want to improve their image you're doing the same thing yourself by claiming to not like it.

I can see where people are coming from though. Genuine curiosity in strange music can easily be taken as someone just trying to act intellectual.

I hope that makes more sense.

>>50027704
I pretend to like albums I can't get into to seem more intelligent.

>>50024477
Whatever you listen to, anon :^)

>>50027734
And that's your choice.

Out of curiosity which albums?

>>50027823
Quartet by Nikos Veliotis, Taku Sugimoto, Kazushige Kinoshita & Taku Unami
Earth 2 by Earth

are some examples... There's a lot more.

I am forcing myself to like the new Julian Casablancas album, but it doesn't work.

>>50028161
its shit just like anything by le strokes

>>50027823
Kanye West

>>50028277
>Julian Casablancas
>shit
Your pleb is showing.

>>50027203

I just glanced at this post and noticed #9. Are you fucking serious? Kanye has supported gay people for longer than most people in the mainstream. I remember back in 2005 he said in an interview to quit discriminating against gays. Much more gutsy then than now.

yes I admit it

I listen to The Blue Nile in order to seem le cultured and classy

>>50028277
you take that back, or may you die in a chip pan fire

I listen to k-pop only to seem like someone who is open-minded, accepting and open to everything.

>>50030570
no one does this

>>50028161
Really?

It's literally AOTY material.