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Okay, /mu/ after the shitstorm yesterday, how accurate is the new chart?
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>>49280652
>In Art
Overhyped bullshit. The techniques were developed much earlier and better by other paintings and post-Impressionism is GOAT period anyway, much more emotionally raw.
>In Literature
Lose everything except Hamlet. Monte Cristo in particular is just a shitty pulp serial, written for 19th century middle school plebs.
>In Film
Everything except 2001 is overhyped bullshit, (even 2001 is just shy of the top 10 best films of all time.)
>In Anime
Everything except Eva is derivative shonen otaku feed. Try Utena, Paranoia Agent, Naussica Valley of the Wind.
>Implying vidya is art. Even then, the mass produced filth you made doesn't even slightly measure up to Freedom Bridge or other mildly artistic indie games.
>So pleb it hurts. I bet you don't eve.n listen to Bach or Beethoven beyond a superficial background noise level. Try Faust, The Mothers of Invention, Residents, Annette Peacock.
>Bone, Walking Dead and Maus are just drug store novel stories put to comics. Watchmen and Calvin and Hobbes are fine enough but I assume if I were more into comics I could something much better.
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4'33", pronounced "four minutes, thirty-three seconds", (Cage himself referred to it as "four, thirty-three") is often mistakenly referred to as Cage's "silent piece". He made it clear that he believed there is no such thing as silence, defined as a total absence of sound. In 1951, he visited an anechoic chamber at Harvard University in order to hear silence. "I literally expected to hear nothing," he said. Instead, he heard two sounds, one high and one low. He was told that the first was his nervous system and the other his blood circulating. This was a major revelation that was to affect his compositional philosophy from that time on. It was from this experience that he decided that silence defined as a total absence of sound did not exist. "Try as we may to make a silence, we cannot," he wrote. "One need not fear for the future of music."
Oh look sound is still a factor according to the creator of the piece.
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Anime, art, and literature come the closest to not being laughable taste. Anime because it's easy to identify the few works with artistic merit.
"Greatest artistic achievement" is vague and worthless as a category, honestly. Seems more like you are looking for boundary redrawing cornerstones of the mediums.
In anime you should get rid of Naruto, and consider putting in Lain or Angel's Egg.
Literature needs Paradise Lost.
Art is really just "baby's first introduction to the classics"
In film you are so full of shit it's deeply embarrassing. It looks like you just spent about 5 minutes on /tv/. The only one worth keeping up there is 2001.
Music is the hardest to get anything resembling to an objective list on, but right off the bat MBDTF needs to go, the beach boys too, IMO.
In Comics the only things up there that ought to be are watchmen and maus. Calvin and Hobbes is debatable.
Video Games is the worst of the bunch by far. None of them, none, should be up there. Who the fuck decided THOSE were games with artistic merit? The only one even CONCEIVABLE is minecraft, and that's just because it's an innovative medium.
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Except that's still wrong again according to the composer of the piece
To Cage, silence had to be redefined if the concept was to remain viable. He recognized that there was no objective dichotomy between sound and silence, but only between the intent of hearing and that of diverting one's attention to sounds. "The essential meaning of silence is the giving up of intention," he said. 7 This idea marks the most important turning point in his compositional philosophy. He redefined silence as simply the absence of intended sounds, or the turning off of our awareness. "Silence is not acoustic," he said, "It is a change of mind. A turning around." 8 He was later to identify this with Eastern thought. "In India they say that music is continuous; it only stops when we turn away and stop paying attention."9 In 1988, in a conversation with William Duckworth, Cage affirmed the connection of this idea with 4'33". "No day goes by without my making use of that piece in my life and in my work. I listen to it every day. . . . I don't sit down to do it. I turn my attention toward it. I realize that it's going on continuously. More than anything, it is the source of my enjoyment of life. . . . Music is continuous. It is only we who turn away."10 Cage often referred to it as his most important piece, and it was his favorite. "I always think of it before I write the next piece."
Can't believe I'm on the same side of an argument with Friendo of all people.
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