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48999290 No.48999290 [Reply] [Original]

In my youth, I was a prolific pirate. Now that I'm older and actually have disposable income, I prefer buying albums to support bands I like, especially those not on big labels. My question is this: What's the deal with defunct bands? There's a bunch of albums in Death's back catalog I still need, but since Chuck's dead, who does the money go to? If it all goes to the label, fuck that, if it goes to his family and bandmates, it might be worth it.

>> No.48999335

>>48999290
Thats actually an interesting question, but my assumption is that it goes to the label. Do they have an email or way of contact so you can ask to get a solid answer?

>> No.48999349

>>48999290
The answer to that is...
Depends.

Sometimes it goes to the artist's family, others is just pure label dosh. Most of the time band members get the money, but the label ALWAYS gets more.

>> No.48999410

>>48999349
I guess my purchase hinges on the amount they would get, if it's some insignificant amount then it doesn't seem worth it.

>> No.48999437

>>48999290
>the people who make it so it's possible for you to hear the music are evil, don't give them money!
Literally retarded

>> No.48999526

>>48999437
There's plenty of music I like (most) that don't have labels, they certainly aren't necessary, and are a hindrance more often than not. If you don't see that, I don't have anything to say to you.

>> No.48999552

>>48999437
Well it kind of is that way.

The actual creators of the music are getting financially screwed from every possible direction, while labels create self serving contracts to keep artists poor and uninformed.

It's an industry that's built on taking advantage of the passionate, talented, and ultimately ill-prepared and uninformed.

>> No.48999595

>>48999552
>a label paid for the music to get made
>they are the ones doing the screwing
Not how it works
>>48999526
Oh maybe you just don't know what a label is

>> No.48999647

>>48999595
So which one do you work for?

>> No.48999692

>>48999647
Would you believe me?

>> No.48999713

>>48999692
Nah

>> No.48999744

>>48999713
Then why even ask?

>> No.48999777

>>48999744
It was rhetorical.

>> No.48999798

>>48999777
Well you sure fumbled that one up then

>> No.48999893

>>48999798
If by fumbled you mean pointed out that you are either a shill who cares only about money or an idiot, then yes.

>> No.48999899

>>48999290
most probably goes to Relapse or Roadrunner depending on the album you buy. If it's a Relapse record, I'd suggest buying it still because the label is ok and doesnt seem like cunts. If its roadrunner fuck it.

>> No.48999946

>>48999893
>I don't know how labels work
lol tell me more

>> No.48999952

>>48999899
Good advice, thanks man.

>> No.48999978

>>48999946
Go ahead and explain to the nasty, nasty pirates how labels work, waiting with baited breath.

>> No.49000012

>>48999978
Research: advances
Research: un-recouped artists

>> No.49000201

>>49000012
I don't know why I'm engaging you honestly, but are you honestly denying that there are labels who take way more than they should and lock bands into shitty contracts? The entire industry is outdated, now that technology has made bands able to record and create music mush more easily and cheaply on their own. The record industry realizes that and make it even harder for fledgling artists to do things themselves by offering seemingly good but shitty deals to bands who just want to make it big and severely penalizing any who try to leave.

>> No.49000411

>>49000201
I don;t know why you keep perpetuated inaccurate information and sweeping generalizations.

A label gives a band an advance. Thousands upon thousands of dollars. This is a loan,a debt, to be paid off in record sales. if a band is unable to do that, it is inaccurate for them to say "They screwed us!" and "They won't give us any money!" because the label already DID give them money.

Also not to mention they handle PR and advertising, which is the only reason you heard of an artist anyways (how do you think they got on Pitchfork in the first place?).

What this really is is scapegoating. You don't want to be a pirate so you create a bad guy. Since the record company mythos is that they are rich, they are the easiest target. Why don't you just be a man and fess up to stealing?

>> No.49000575

Record labels basically exist to fund and promote music, If a band signs to a label, and you buy from that band, you are encouraging the label to fund and promote similar music.
It is a choice for a band to enter a contract, the label may offer a shitty one, but it's still a choice
This all being said, there are some labels which suck, and countless tales of illegal and meanspirited stuff.
Clipse had an album held up for years for basically no reason at all due to a label merger. They couldn't buy it, they couldn't get it released. They eventually had to sue for it

>> No.49000648

>>49000575
>countless tales of illegal and meanspirited stuff
Artists do this too

>> No.49000677

>>49000411
Get off your high horse faggot. I never said it wasn't stealing. If I can give money to the actual artists who actually make the music themselves, I would prefer that.

Yes labels give loans, good on them. But loans are magic gifts of money with no downsides right? National banks are pretty much the best institutions in the universe because they give such huge loans to people who really need it. They would never fuck anyone over because they want to make as much money as humanly possible and don't give one literal fuck about the person(s) they're loaning to!

Stop being a fucking moron and realize that most people are greedy fucks and the industry would be a whole lot better off without them. Bands don't need the money like they used to, nor the fucking PR. It's called the internet, anyone can put music up and advertise on it now, dipshit.

>> No.49000776

>>49000648
It's almost like most people are greedy fuckers!

>> No.49000785

>>49000648
no doubt, I just didn't want to say only good/neutral things about labels when there are downsides.

>> No.49000855

I had this idea for a site that catalogues artists with details on how best to pay them directly (PayPal, Bitcoin, merchandise if they get a good cut of that, etc.)
Would that be feasible?

>> No.49000908

Weren't there a shit ton of guest musicians in Death? Do they get anything off record sales these days?

>> No.49000988

>>49000908
Not that I know of.

>> No.49001642

>>49000855
It would take a lot of work, but if you're up to the task, it would be amazing.

>> No.49001722

>all this label hate

HURR LABELS ARE EVIL AMIRITE ILLUMINATI SATAN THEY STEAL ARE MUSICS AND ARE BAD XD

It's like you guys just watched a fucking terrible propaganda film about how labels are literally hitler and now hate them. They were the ones who handed money off to the artists on a whim to hope they could get something back. Hating labels makes you sound like a 13 year old who doesn't understand how life works and thinks there always must be a 'bad guy'

>> No.49001788

>>49001722
Industry Rule #4080: Record Company People Are Shady

>> No.49001818
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49001818

So, people ask me this sometimes, and I appreciate that they want me and Peter and Jon to get maximum paid for the records we make. And it is true that we’ll get the biggest cut from sales at shows, because those copies are copies we buy directly from the label. However, I am every bit just as happy and in fact in some ways happier to take a slightly reduced cut if you’re buying from your local record store, which is almost doubtless scrambling to survive every day, or from a cool mailorder, or directly from the label if the label does mailorder.

I make a little bit of a big deal about this because more people than me need to get paid for the stuff I do to happen. There’s been a lot of talk in recent years about labels and publishers as if they were hurdles to be cleared, obstacles to be circumnavigated. I can’t speak for anybody else’s experiences, though stories of label skullduggery abound, and shame on such labels. But my personal experience in independent music is that the people releasing Mountain Goats records aren’t “The Label.” They’re my friends, and they’re also almost all musicians themselves. They are people who share exactly equivalent praise or blame for the music I make, because you wouldn’t have heard it without them, by which I mean without their support and nurturing and faith I would never have made the music in the first place. So while I’m, again, grateful that people think of my well-being, it’s my opinion that the people who make the music available - especially independent labels, especially independent stores - deserve your patronage, and it’s 100% ok if I have to sell a few more records at retail to make as much as I’d make selling them at shows. I don’t do what I do in a vacuum. Without the labels that put out my stuff and the stores that stocked it and the people working in the stores who told people browsing to maybe check out the Mountain Goats, I would almost doubtless not even own a guitar right now.

>> No.49001883

>>49001722
Go suck Sony BMGs big black cock you brainless fuckwit. The issue is not black and white, there is a mountain of proof that big labels have a monopoly and regularly fuck over lower-level artists.

>> No.49001925

Why not donate the money to the muaicians directly? Like cheque of paypal.

>>48999899
Relapse are cunts too.

>> No.49001933

>>49001818
It depends on the label. Sure there are some good ones, but the bad ones make it almost not worth it, in my eyes.

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