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>or just learn a whole bunch of songs by tabs or memorize each note of each fret of each string or what?

1. forget tabs
2. don't make transcribing to sound so aspie-ridden
3. ???
4. profit

Well, what are you trying to play? Do you want to play scalar linear music like 80s shred? Then practice running scales.

And I don't mean that in a bad way. If that's what you want--to play like Paul Gilbert or Yngwie, then bust out the metronome. You have to play what you want to hear.

As for me, I'm more of a jazz-improv type. I like pretty melodies and eccentric articulation. So I spend most of my time fiddling around.

>>48618181
don't fret baby, the guitar will string you along all on its own.

or you could be the shit way, don't give a fuck learn the f chord and em maybe g/c and carry your electric guitar around everywhere. eventually girls will start coloring it with fingernail polish with hearts, you will get laid, and you still wont know how the play the guitar. it helps if you are left handed and use a right handed guitar and string it left. make sure you have long hair. being skinny helps. oh yeah ALWAYS use distortion if you are plugged into an amp, tone 11 o'clock everything else max.

>>48618200

pretty sure only reddit fags do the whole gay ??? profit thing

>>48618329
>implying im ever going to let girls touch my new hellraiser

>>48618238
i'm just trying to learn the foundation and practicals of guitar playing, i already know the basics of musical theory (few years of graded piano) so i could pick up any tab and play it within an hour or so but it just feels hacky and i don't learn shit, so right now im just practising scales because i don't know what else to do sans from just tab reading everything

bump as in the same boat as OP

>>48618399
Well playing tab is always a bad idea. At least try to learn stuff by ear. It's more beneficial.
In terms of just being dexterous... Scales and learning a difficult songs is a good way to go but I can't stress how much better learning stuff by ear is gonna be.

Transcribe transcribe transcribe, I've played so many different styles of guitar and become very proficient in all of them by listening and then trying to figure it out, it might take a while in the beginning but after a while you can literally play songs the first time through after hearing them, I work as a session musician and it comes across as a very impressive talent when it's not really that hard when you're practised, things that can help with this are chord recognition training and interval training. Any other questions?

I'm not OP, but what should I do after learning/memorizing the notes of the fretboard? I assume practicing scales?

I've been playing for a while, but recently realized I want to learn the notes and get better. Only learned them up to the 6th fret so far.

>>48619366
Scales are important, learn them across the fretboard and up the fretboard, more importantly you should try and learn your arpeggios and inversions of triads, this is actually more beneficial to your playing and can help you break away from thinking of scale shapes

>>48619316
I imagine the reason to do this is so you can play what is in your mind right? Writing music has been very difficult i found since there is a lot of difficulty in playing the sounds in my head.

Just play what you like, If you wanna be really good then practice atleast 4 hours a day and be adamant. Remember to never lose soul in your playing, and do some acid once in a blue moon.

>>48619492
Yeah exactly, you'd be surprised at how quickly you can start figuring little bits out here and there, you'll hear a kick on the radio and think "I know how you'd play that". It's helped me with my composing massively too because when inspiration hits, I already know exactly what it is that's in my head, makes it easier to write down however you choose

>>48619613
Kick = lick

>>48619316
Where should I start?

>>48619849
I also wondered this, i thought i might get a bit too bored trying to figure out easy songs, but i wont get anywhere trying to transcribe difficult pieces.

>>48619849
As far as interval training, play an interval, name it, preferably get a friend to play the interval and then name it. You can do the same with chords, start off with just major and minor triads, then move to augmented and diminished, suspended triads, then move onto your 7th chords, 9th, 11th, 13th and then if you get really into in and start looking at jazz territory, altered chords like 7b9#5 etc. there are also some online games that can help you with this. You can also try playing all these chord shapes on te guitar and trying to find a few shapes that you can use, inversions etc. then try reading chord charts by guys like stevie wonder steely dan etc, they'll let you play through songs you know but really test your knowledge of chords. Does that help?

>>48619965
link to some of these online games please

that sounds like just the thing for a guy like me

>>48619947
Ok I hear you, well I suppose it depends what sort of music you guys are into?

>>48619990
I am a big fan of jazz, blues and classical, used to play a bit of lead rock and metal, so to tell the truth, anything with a guitar in it.

>>48619989
Check out a site called musictheory.net, I believe there's one on there, I would link you but I'm on my iPhone at the moment.

>>48620014
Ok, it depends what your knowledge of chords is like, how do you think you'd get on trying to work out somethin like a stevie wonder song? They've got some really interesting progressions but aren't too deep into jazz territory that It could take a lifetime to work out. Other suggestions could be trying to figure out your favourite screaming blues solo, or try and figure out a few licks from it, no-ones saying you have to learn the whole thing, just nick a few licks and really nail them so you can play it exactly like you want it to sound.

>>48618181
>5 forms of every possible scale
bwahahahahahaha!

study more

>>48620137
Chords on guitar have been a bit of a problem, since they are not just 1,3,5,7(add your sharps/flats for other chords) and more just play whatever note of that chord you can get on the string, Though i'm sure i could work out a stevie wonder song if i put the time into doing it.

>>48620357
Yeah I think I know what you mean, do mean the way that they are layed out in terms of pitch? Like on a guitar you will often have it going 1, 5, 8, 3, 5, 9 rather than just 1, 3, 5, 9?

>>48618181
I spent years just fucking around and learning tabs, so I created a unique personal style (nothing radical like Arto Lindsay or Glenn Branca or anything, just something that is my own and reflects upon how I learned), which is a very good thing. Having said that, I still struggle with theory shit and even simple basic shit because I didn't learn it early and I never fully digested a lot of it.
On the other hand, I knew a lot of kids in high school who would spend hours memorizing scales and crazy runs and shit and they could play Hendrix solos really well, but they had no soul in their playing and thought that sounding exactly like Hendrix (or whoever) and playing their solos exactly (which is an intensely personal expression of mood, state of mind, passion and intensity) was totally ok. That lead them to be very good technical players who did the same shit everyone does and who didn't create anything worth hearing.

There is a definite balance here. You should fuck around and become semi-comfortable with the instrument. You should learn a few songs you like. Then you should begin biting away at theory shit and learn how the guitar works. Once you understand how each not on the fretboard relates to the others, you can just do shit and it will sound great. It opens creativity up hugely. Just don't focus on being some technical wizard. Focus on being able to keep a certain standard of technical ability. The most important parts are understanding the guitar and having comfort with it.

>>48620513
Yes exactly like that, i learnt music so when i tried to test out some chords on piano it was so easy and simple, then i tried to convert that to guitar and it felt so janky and weird, i'm sure i will get used to it soon enough, all a learning expirience.

>>48618399
I've been playing for about 6 or 7 years, so here's what I have to offer.

Learn as many chords as you can
Practice daily
Listen and try to emulate different styles: surf, country, jazz etc
Learn other people's songs not just to learn them, but to gain an understanding if how they're put together and how stuff works together
Learn the standard blues shuffle
Play with people better than you
If you can afford it, take lessons
Don't neglect finger exercises
play in a band even if you don't like the music

Thats it, good luck

>>48620603
2nded

>>48620672
Yeah I totally hear you, the guitar is a bastard for that exact reason, it doesn't lend itself towards written music for the same reason, I think getting over that roadblock just comes with time, getting used to constantly dealing with 4ths because of the strings and sometimes a Major 3rd (G-B string) takes time. If you start playing more jazz you'll probably find yourself only ever playing the most crucial parts of the chord, you'll often forget the 5th because it doesn't really need to be there due to harmonic reasons and omit the root to free up fingers too, it will often be covered by the bass anyway. When you start playing chords only using the 3, 7 and upper structures you can start to play more like a piano, better voice leading between inversions etc

>>48620881
Fuck that little B string messing up our 5th hahah, i really appreciate the experience you are showing, will for sure try out playing those chords without the 5ths, i find the guitar to be an instrument you really need to mess around with and test every little thing until you understand it, that goes for all you guys learning, mess around with your guitars.

>>48620978
Exactly! No worries at all, it's great to pass on knowledge. I wish you all the best! Signing off now. Cheers

The 5 forms of a scale is basically covered when learning the scales for the modes, right?
>>48620673
What are some good finger exercises?

>>48621311
One I like to do is where I start on the first fret of the low e string and play chromatically until I reach the 4th fret. Then I move to the a string and repeat until I've gone up and down. Then you move to the fifth fret and continue on. You should do this with a metronome and for about ten minutes a day. Eventually you'll want to try other patterns and string skipping and whatnot.

I only play guitar for fun, but really whenever I 'practice' I mostly just learn songs from whatever albums I've been listening to recently (if they have guitars on them) and spend an hour or two each day just figuring out/playing those.

This is how I've practiced for like the 7 years I've played guitar and I'd say it's worked out pretty well.

Scales are definitely good to learn though, as are chords, if you want to actually play in a band or become really serious at guitar.

>>48621904
and of course, learn by ear if you can. Stay away from tabs and just listen to complex songs over and over if you're having a hard time learning them by ear.

this is surprisingly a really good thread. thanks for all the input guys.

not OP here, but i also started to play guitar (today)
any amateur-tier songs i could start with?
played knocking on heavens door so far but very slowly because i have issues moving my fingers fast enough for another chord

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBcJeDeYs0c

>>48622257
Whenever I started playing guitar I just played a lot of stuff with power chords, but that teaches you absolutely nothing.

Really you should just learn the basics first before you actually try playing whole entire songs, learn basic chords, some scales, basic techniques, then maybe try learning a whole entire song.

>>48622257
50s and 60s rock is good stuff to start with. Kinks, the troggs, the animals, buddy holly, etc. Punk rock is good too.

>>48622257
Also practice playing simple chord progressions to a metronome

>>48622257
>any amateur-tier songs i could start with?
Come As You Are (the first song i learned on guitar)
Anything that has simple, open chords that will teach you to make swift chord changes, which can be really awkward at first. try ITAOTS, seriously. the title track is about as simple as it gets.

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>>48622687
thx to everyone, now my fingers fucking hurt, so i will start my next session with your advices!

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The cool thing about guitar is that you really dont need to know anything about music theory to play boss solos. You just memorize the way the scale shape looks, know where your root notes are on the lowest two strings, and then all you need to do is work on making cool licks within the scale shape.
Then if you can transpose the shape, meaning slide it up and down over the neck into different keys, you can play on any song all day long (provided its not some janky ass multi key changing music)
All the great guitar heroes played the same old tired blues licks you are probably starting to learn now. Guitarists have been essentially playing the same shit in the same shapes for over 50 years.