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Let's talk about Post Rock /mu/. Wikipedia defines it as
>a subgenre of rock music characterized by the influence and use of instruments commonly associated with rock, but using rhythms and "guitars as facilitators of timbre and textures" not traditionally found in rock.
Now bands such as Slint and Talk Talk are cited as being part of the First Wave of Post Rock succeeded by Second Wave Post Rock bands such as Tortoise and Mogwai. Already, you’ll notice there is a considerable distinction to be made as far as the respective sounds of the bands.

What really cluttered things up was the Third Wave. Bands like Explosions in the Sky, This Will Destroy You etc. When third wave came about it was a fresh new sound. However, the genre quickly became over saturated filled with a plethora of bands that sounded the same. You know the type, long winded instrumentals with minimalistic guitars and “pretty” album covers full of tracks that start out slow before building up in to huge crescendos.

My question is, with the significant distinctions in sounds between all the “waves” what really constitutes as Post Rock anymore? Should we not be using a different term to classify bands that obviously sound nothing alike? And what do you believe to be good Post Rock albums, particularly as far as the Third Wave is concerned, albums that stand apart from the derivative, carbon copy Post Rock that seems to have become the norm.

>> No.47349301

>different waves
>same genre

Are actually completely different genres.
Same with post-rock.

Somehow GY!BE, Talk Talk, Slint, Mogwai, Sigur Ros, These New Puritans, Long Fin Killie and Russian Circles are all the same genre. It makes no sense.

Same way Cap'n Jazz, American Football, Sunny Day Real Estate and Brand New are apparently emo, yet they sound nothing a like. Not one thing in common except shitty, angsty lyrics.

>> No.47349388

post rock died the second it became filled with tryhard art and media studies students who refused to accept criticism in any way because their music was different.

some of it works live, most of it doesn't. It really doesn't help that people are releasing absolute shit on bandcamp instead of trying to do some gigs first in order to iron out the problems and try and get a distinctive style.

>> No.47349413

>>47349301
So what do you think the reason is behind the third wave phenomenon? Why did it suddenly become over saturated with all these bands that sound exactly the same?

>> No.47349448

I think it's all about progression, like grandfather, father, son, grandson. Different person, same genes.

>> No.47349451

>>47349413
you could ask the same thing about early 90's shoegaze

oh wait that's the patrician blend of post-rock sorry for insulting all you upperclassmen's taste

>> No.47349462

It's not a genre, it's an umbrella term.

>> No.47349470

>>47349413
not him, but godspeed you! black emperor

they probably didn't mean any harm when they were releasing records, but literally everyone starting a post-rock band wants to sound like them and it's just flooded the market with absolute garbage that goes on for 20 minutes longer than it should

>> No.47349471

Shoegaze has nothing to do with post-rock.

>> No.47349497

>>47349471
besides the scene being made up of exactly the same fucking thing that you are describing

>> No.47349541

>>47349470
This. They pretty much played the same role that Meshuggah did with the whole "djent" scene

>> No.47349861

>>47349106
i've seen "crescendo rock" being used for some of the "third wave post-rock" bands (twdy, giaa).

"post-rock" might just be a word being used out of laziness, rather then inventing new words that actually describe the music to use as genres. the problem is - these problems always happen! contemporary post-punk has little to do with its early incarnations other that using it as inspiration (among others). so instead of inventing new names, we really just state the influences when talking about genre affiliations.

its kinda how "rap" doesnt describe music very well.

>> No.47349949

The last 2 Talk Talk albums are my favourite albums of all time.. but I find post-rock generally to pretty disappointing.

I love Spiderland and Hex too and Ágætis byrjun and Ocean Songs are good too. Anyone got any recs? I've heard most of the essential stuff.

>> No.47349974

>>47349949
> I find post-rock generally to pretty disappointing.
As stated, it's a very vague term, but I'll give it a shot. Check out Tortoise, Gastr Del Sol and Cul De Sac.

>> No.47350105
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47350105

I once tried to make a chart for those people who only wanted more Talk Talk, or only more Slint, or only more Godspeed.

I ended up making a convoluted mess and realizing some of it is all interconnected. Take this as you will, it's unfinished and abandoned. Also note towards the edges is not post-rock.

>> No.47350154

>>47350105
I actually made it because I thought "waves" were gay as fuck. There's early post-rock, relatively undefined pre-97 acts, and post-rock (Godspeed and it's derivatives).

So I chose 3 starting points popular to /mu/ to help people find similar sounds.

>> No.47350191

>>47350154
this is actually pretty good thanks for sharing

>> No.47350193

Crescendo Rock should indeed be the genre for This Will Destroy You and Explosions in the Sky.

Can we all agree that The Ascension is post-rock? I see no reason for it to be labelled as anything else. It probably fits the description of ''using rock instrumentation for texture and timbre instead of riffs and power chords'' even more than Slint and Talk Talk.

>> No.47350222

>>47350105
this is kinda nice. you could add a math-rock direction.

>> No.47350226

>>47350193
Well I can agree to that it's enjoyable, at least..

>> No.47350246

>>47350105
I'd love to see this polished and finished

>> No.47350303

>>47349470
This with a mix of Sigur Ros, with the euphoria

>> No.47350380
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47350380

>>47349106
If youll look hard enough youll find diffrent sounding third wave bands.

Post rock is not "derivative garbage".

And btw explosions in the sky are a pretty good band who came with an original sound in thier time, not their fault that alot of bands copied that sound afterwards

>> No.47350523

>>47350380
>If youll look hard enough youll find diffrent sounding third wave bands
>Posts Shels

Crazyaga pls go

>> No.47350589

>>47350523
But they do have a pretty unique sound, mixing post-rock with dat atmospheric sludge

>> No.47350629

>>47350589
Yeah, but they;re pretty well known. You don't have to "look hard" to find them.

>> No.47350663

>>47350629
Oh that part, i can get behind that

>> No.47350696

What's that album with the navy blue elephant? I think it's post rock

>> No.47350731

>>47350696
The Microphones - The Glow pt. 2
It's actually lo-fi fuzz folk but it's a masterpiece

>> No.47350754

>>47349106
>Second Wave Post Rock bands such as Tortoise
Stopped reading there

>> No.47350781

>>47350731
thanks pal

>> No.47350783

>>47350105
>see it another way
Fuck you.

>> No.47350818

>>47350754
They're categorized and widely credited as such you can cry all you want but it doesn't change facts

>> No.47350841

>>47350818
>They're categorized and widely credited as such
No they aren't. Literally every respectable source lists Tortoise as a first-wave band because it's literally inconceivable that anyone would think otherwise.

>> No.47350995

>>47350841
So where does First wave end and second wave begin?

If Slint and Talk Talk were making Post rock in the 1990's then shouldn't a band that released it's first "Post Rock" record in 1996, only a year before Mogwai's debut release, be considered second wave?

>> No.47351057

>>47350995
>So where does First wave end and second wave begin?
Millions Now Living Will Never Die is literally the album that brought first-wave to an end. Everything after that is second-wave but calling Tortoise themselves second-wave is just silly.

>> No.47351106
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47351106

so what's everyone's favourite crescendo rock record

>> No.47351120

>>47350154
>logical conclusion of music

wait what

>> No.47351767

>>47350995
>>47351057
>Millions Now Living Will Never Die is literally the album that brough the first-wave to an end

he's right you know

>> No.47351798

>>47351106
That one. It's in my top 10 albums

>> No.47351849

>>47351106
I was actually going to post this as an example of good third wave. Its a pretty solid album

>> No.47351928
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47351928

>implying this isn't the best post-rock album ever released

>> No.47352154

>>47351928
Not with that cover

>> No.47352176

>>47351928
This looks like shitty third-wave so I'm going to preemptively judge you and it and say you're a pleb

>> No.47352228

Post-rock is definitely one of the least well-defined genres out there. There's so much variation between music labelled post-rock it's not even funny. It's one of those things where once word of it got into the mainstream, everyone who suddenly considers themselves an expert went and retroactively tagged all kinds of shit as it. I guess a bit like shoegaze.

>> No.47352287

>>47349470
>not him, but godspeed you! black emperor
>they probably didn't mean any harm when they were releasing records
Well, of course they didn't mean any harm! No one is intentionally releasing shit records!

>> No.47352299

>>47352228
>least well-defined
nigga what

>> No.47352364

>>47349413
The internet

>> No.47352366

>>47352228
What's worse is that the term post rock seems to have become synonymous with the third wave aesthetic with people describing ambient passages in tracks as "post rock sounding"

>> No.47352394
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47352394

Anybody ?

>> No.47352416

>>47352228
Screamo ?

>> No.47352470

>>47352394
What is it with this genre and the need to sample dialog?

>> No.47352526
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47352526

>>47351106
I can't read the title, what is this album?
Also, is pic related a decent gauge of the best post-rock albums?

>> No.47352557

>>47352526
click the little arrow on top of the post and use image search you fag

>> No.47352594

>>47352470
That i can't answer, but still pretty good album

>> No.47352791

>>47350105
Field of Reeds is a post-rock album?

???

?
??
?

?????

>> No.47352807

>>47352526
it's Waking Season by Caspian

>> No.47352841
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47352841

>>47352807

>> No.47352848

>>47350105
Seriously lacks Hood and World's End Girlfriend.

>> No.47354042

>>47352791
yes

>> No.47354345

>>47350105
if anyone cares, i could finish this

>> No.47354365

>>47354042
No it isn't...

>> No.47354398
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47354398

>>47354365

>> No.47354405

>>47354398
>wikipedi

>> No.47354437
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47354437

>>47354405

>> No.47354452

>>47354398
It's neoclassical...

>> No.47354455

>>47354345
i want to see it finished pls

>> No.47354554

>>47349451
how do i into shoegazing?

>> No.47354588

>>47354554
>inb4 jokes about looking at shoes

>> No.47354590

>>47354554
loveless

>> No.47354630

>>47354554
gaze in2 ur shoes

>> No.47354841

>>47354554
>>47354588
>>47354630

>> No.47354968

>>47354455
k m8 workng on it

>> No.47355131

>>47354968
add hood

yes its a band

>> No.47355141

>>47354968
thnx

>> No.47355273

>>47354968
waiting with bated breath over here

>> No.47355313

>>47354968
kmon

>> No.47355318

>>47352176
I didn't preemptively judge your mother before I stuck my ape dick in her cavern of a vagina

>> No.47355385

Not reading the thread because lazy but Mono & World's End Gf. Mono alone sound boring as fuck after a few tracks in, I mean all of their albums are alike.

>> No.47355405

>>47350380
you're retarded and have awful taste

>> No.47355414

>>47354968
any more math post rock albums you guys can get me

so far i have
what burns nvr rturns
gangs

>> No.47355509

>>47355414
are you high

>> No.47355559

>>47355414
american football...

>> No.47355580

>>47355414
Polvo - Exploded Drawing
June of 44 - Four Great Points

>> No.47355619

>>47354452
post-rock and neoclassical are nearly synonymous

>> No.47355620

>>47355559
they're emo not post-rock
>>47355414
get American Don, Hold Your Horse Is by Hella, and Mirrored and Gloss Drop by Battles.

>> No.47355622

>>47355559
ill put theat in the ""Lighter"c atergotry
>>47355580
thnx

>> No.47355688

>>47355620
American Football have elements of post-rock and math rock in their music.

>> No.47355715

>>47355688
their primary genre is math rock...

>> No.47355741

>>47355559
American football isn't even close to being post rock what the fuck are you on about

>> No.47355743

>>47355688
ill l have
wht burns
gangs
mirrred
glss drop
and ill have a "lighter" and "heavier" category

>>47355715
its a chart for post-rock and aaaaaa related gehrneus

>> No.47355779

>>47355743
American Football isn't even remotely related to post rock m8

>> No.47355781

>>47349106
>When third wave came about it was a fresh new sound.
Stopped reading, closed tab, turned off computer, jumped out of window.

>> No.47355793

>>47355779
yes it is

>> No.47355811

>>47355743
Toe

>> No.47355824

>>47355781
Show me one example of anything that pre-dates third wave post rock and sounds anything like it

>> No.47355873

>>47355824
Glenn Branca - The Ascension

>> No.47355886
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47355886

alright guys
thnx for being so patinet

give me more suggestions plesa

>> No.47355889

>>47355779
idiot

even pitchfork agrees

>> No.47355925

>>47355824
Third wave post-rock is GY!BE/Mogwai with shiny production to hide lack of originality. You want something pre-third wave that sounds like every other third wave band? Listen to Rock Action or Goodbye Enemy Airship or WHATEVER ALBUM came before 2005.

>> No.47355950

>>47355886
nice job, i suggest
>lighter
american football - self-titled, ep
The Book About My Idle Plot on a Vague Anxiety

>> No.47355977

>>47355886
battles and gloss drop aren't "cresendo-core"

>> No.47356008

>>47355977
this. draw the line from somewhere else

>storm and stress
my fucking nigger

>> No.47356022

>>47355886
i suggest hood - cold house, next to bark psychosis

also american football

also world's end girlfriend

>> No.47356054

>>47355925
Oh, so you have no idea what you're talking about.

>> No.47356055

What is the most post-rock Envy album?

>> No.47356057

>>47356008
kka

where should i draw the line from?

>> No.47356927
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47356927

>>47356055
pic related

>> No.47357078

>>47355886
You should probably stick pic related somewhere off f#a# infinity. It's a lovely interpretation of the style and is exactly the kind of thing someone would look for if they wanted something that sounds like it.

>> No.47357104
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47357104

>>47357078
Here's that pic that's related.

>> No.47358846

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