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>>46839770
I get endless amusement out of people who spend stupid amounts of money on vinyl releases of albums that were recorded and mixed digitally

>>46839796
Vinyl is fun to collect.

you can just not buy it and it has literally no effect on you

my mum buys these really fancy mugs and doesn't realise she can just drink tea out of any old cub. idiot.

>>46839770
No I won't buy a cd shitlord. I'll fucking buy vinyl if I want to. Why are you so upset about what other people are doing?

>>46839796
Yeah I mean jesus fucking christ, it's cool to walk into a thrift store and get Thriller for $1 or some shit, but new vinyl is $30+ all the time. And it's always god damn double LPs now. Meanwhile you can grab the CD for $10, in better quality, and not have to get up to flip or change the record

>>46839770
>poster
Where?!

>>46839820
What if you met somebody who had spent hundreds of dollars to collect rocks that were shaped like the characters from Happy Days because "they're fun to collect"? Wouldn't you laugh at them?

>>46839844
cup. not a bear.

>>46839844
my dads got a classic sports car lmao

>>46839870
who doesn't want a cool little clay richie cunningham

>>46839827
>>46839856
Because it does affect me. All the brick & mortar indie record stores sure have all the newest stuff ON VINYL. But the only problem is vinyl fucking sucks ass.

>>46839883
>>46839844

but those are actual artifacts from history. I bet they don't spend the same kind of money to buy brand new imitations of those artifacts

>>46839820
Only because it's trendy as fuck to collect vinyl these days.
And collecting for the sake of collecting is fucking gay

>>46839924
confirmed for never having a panini sticker book

>>46839859
>Meanwhile you can grab the CD for $10, in better quality, and not have to get up to flip or change the record
With CD's i tend to just rip it to my computer, put it on the shelf and never touch it again
how is that really any better than buying an LP?

>>46839796
so every album to come out in the past 25 years pretty much?

But most of the music I buy is only released on vinyl.

What now faget?

>having disposable income for hunks of obsolete vinyl

fucking jelly

>>46839978
>cheaper
>more convenient
>better sound quality
>physical copy and backup digital copy

>>46840005
listen to something else

>>46839978
Digital hard copy format, physical object that takes up less space and weighs less than a record (enjoy moving with your vinyl collection), the ability to rip to your computer as needed
CDs are superior in every way. Everyone knew this in the 80s & 90s, because they actually had to deal with vinyl before that.

i dont see the point in vinyl for rock music. but in electronic music dubplates etc are still repped by the OG people. someone recently told me was gonna cut one of my tunes to dubplate to play out so its deffo not dead in the bass music scene

>>46839911
Vinyl is way cool

Also

>buying physical music

>>46840005
That's the point motherfucker
Same here. Vinyl sucks balls but I still have to have a god damn turn table in the year 20 fucking 14
I want to support the band & have a physical copy of the music I like, but shit, it's all vinyl now.

>>46840001
Exactly. I can understand the point of finding and collecting old records that were originally released on vinyl but I don't get spending money on new releases just for larger cover art

>>46839770
>"muh warmth mufugga"

>>46839796
its fun to collect, its analog which means it can not be deleted or erased by mistake, or if a harddrive dies.
its a great way to hear music when you got a nice turntable, guests love it, and it adds to your house.

I am starting mine very soon

kids who were born in the 2000s will start the CD/CD-R revival in a couple of years.

>>46839911
They also have it on CDs, at least the record stores near me do except one. I don't know why you would buy a CD though, they're the same music you get from a digital download service.

>>46840046
>records that were originally released on vinyl
Agreed. Oftentimes the CD re-release gets fucked up. What comes immediately to my mind is the first Black Sabbath album. My vinyl copy is way better than any CD i've heard.

>>46839770
>When will the recent vinyl fad die?
1988

>>46840069
>I don't know why you would buy a CD though

people want to have a physical copy of the recording without it sounding like shit like vinyl does?

>>46840049
>it cannot be deleted or erased by mistake

If you buy the CD copy then you've got a physical copy and a backup digital copy

>>46840069
>They also have it on CDs

Confirmed for never having gone into a "modern" record store. They have a CD section, sure, but you have to get really fucking lucky to find the release there. But they always have it on vinyl, cause that's what's trendy, and that's what sucks.
>I don't know why you would buy a CD though
Physically owning a hard copy

>>46840049

>it cannot be deleted or erased by mistake

If you buy the CD copy then you've got a physical copy and a backup digital copy

>>46839770
Get physical with your music. its a ritual. makes the experience so much more wholesome and divine

>>46839770
I don't know when wil the fad die but I hope it dies soon so the prices go down a bit.

playing hardcore records at 33 rpm is fun.

>>46840129
each for his own.
Its just another way to hear music, which is the most important, doesn't matter how you listen to it.
some people wanna collect vinyl, K, its not like you're paying for it.

>>46839770
>And fuck any band that releases a normal length album as a 2xLP.

With you there bredda

>>46840143
>Get physical with your music. its a ritual. makes the experience so much more wholesome and divine
That is such bullshit. The only thing good about vinyl is the hassle?

>>46840044
>but shit, it's all vinyl now.
To be fair, the "genre" that has the mot vinyl-only releases is probably techno, and overall electronic music.
And it's not a recend fad at all in these scenes. At all.

>>46840164
>each for his own
I'd agree with you if that was at all the way society works. Tyranny of the majority.

Seriously all the anti-vinylfags are just sour grapes who can't afford a good setup. Vinyl is the highest quality possibly attainable, even when compared to FLAC, and everyone who disagrees has never actually listened to Vinyl or did so with a $40 Crosley their parents bought them from Sears.

>>46840213
>Vinyl is the highest quality possibly attainable
1/10, almost raged

>>46839770
>When will the recent vinyl fad die?
Soon I hope.

>>46840036
This.

Also, there's something that being cut on vinyl does to the bass that makes it just a bit more full and "large" sounding. I guess it's the slight saturation but if you hear someone DJ records after digital files you can really feel the difference.
But I'm guessing that the OP is into indie twingtwangs in which case yeah I agree vinyl is pretty pointless. Digitally mastered guitar music sounds like shit on a record. Case in point: compare old Tom Waits records to their digital counterparts, they sound so much better, then listen to Bad as me on vinyl, it's the same as the CD if not worse.

I really want to get rid of my turntable but then I'd have to get a bigger TV to make up for the empty space on my shelf

>>46840213
>download flac album
>convert it to 128 mp3
>superimpose light crackling sounds
>upload to what.cd as vinyl rip
>check comments in a month

>awesome sound quality
>so rich
>high quality rip
>way better than digital version

>>46840213

I got some shitty player from best buy for like 100 dollars and it can technically play all the same stuff your expensive setup can play. Are you really gonna go mustard on this?

>>46840260
Vinyl has far less bass response possible than any other format

My idea of boredom: Analysing everything you do and refusing to do things that you like because they cant be justified in purely rational terms beyond "I want to"

seriously who wants to live like that? you'd end up dressed in shitty cheap clothes, eating boring plain food all the time, never going on holiday

>>46840264
>mfw

>>46839947
loved those motherfuckers

>>46840264
inb4 someone checks the spectrals and your upload gets removed

>>46840284
So I guess I should give in to my urges to murder my neighbors, bomb churches, and rape 13-16 year old girls because "I want to"

I had been rationalising and telling myself that those things wouldn't be justified but you've shown me the light

>>46840284
/mu/ can't get over the fact that most of its discussions topics imply irrational points that are hard to defend or even explain, so they try to rationalize it regardless.
It doesn't work very well.

>>46840129

Most modern LPs come with either the CD or a download code for the album. If they don't, you can just play the LP and record it to your computer through a cheap ass phono-USB preamp and get your digital copy.

>>46839770
>buy new vinyl
>it doesnt come with the CD or a download link if you ordered online

>>46840284
I want to not have to buy vinyl, but the hipster trend gives me virtually no other option

>>46840333
This makes me rage so hard
I can sort of tolerate buying vinyl in the 21st century, as long as it comes with a download code

>>46840324
what a dumb fucking thing to say
>>46840330
>dl codes
I pirate everything before I buy it anyway

>>46840378
>what a dumb fucking thing to say
nice refutation there. your dazzling insights have once again changed my mind.

Do you really not reflect on and rationalize your desires and actions?

The one great thing about vinyl being so trendy, is that used CDs are absolutely worthless - gotta love picking up perfect digital copies of an entire album for $1 on amazon ;)

>>46840404
if you cant see the difference between buying a record and raping children theres no point anyone trying to explain it to you here, youre better off with a psychiatrist

>>46840283
On paper yes, in action no. I think it's the distortion that comes from the needle tracking the grooves (just guessing here though). As in, those frequencies aren't actually on the record they're more harmonic distortion that result from playing it. It's more how the bass feels than how it sounds. It's hard to explain, you have to experience it yourself on a big system.

>Can't be a music fan these days without having to deal with this bullshit.
u wot m8

>>46840428
Obviously there's a difference in those two actions but that's no reason why the decisions to take part in those actions should or shouldn't be based on logic and reasoning

>>46840464

>one infringes on the rights of others
>one doesn't

Come on son

>>46840464
the only thing to take into account is "will this action cause non-negligible harm to anyone" if the answer is yes, you don't do it, if the answer is no, you do whatever you want.

>>46840481
>I should do anything I want to do without thinking critically about it as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of another simply because "I want to"

>okay

>>46840443
Could be feedback from the big system transferring back into the needle

>>46840464
speaking personally I dont rape children because I dont want to. I buy records because I do want to. I dont feel the need to analyse and justify everything.
if I enjoy something and it doesnt hurt anyone, Im going to do it. thats good enough for me.

>>46840464
>buying vinyl
bit more expensive
lower quality
-
derive enjoyment from interacting with the physical element, using a turntable, large covers and interesting vinyl colours and tetures
-
some people might consider the pros greater than the cons
>rape 13-15 year old girls next door
could get caught
will go to jail for life most likely
have to think of what to do to cover it up after/hide the bodies after murdering them so they dont talk
-
tight virgin pussy
might be into domination/rape fetish
-
I feel like most people would say the cons outweigh the pros in that case

My Zappa LP's sound infinitely better than any CD or digital mix. Love vinyl.

>>46839870
Shit no man, that's awesome

>>46840527

Things plebs say general

>>46839859
Idk where the fuck you guys live if your vinyl is 30+ Every album I've bought in the past year has been around 15 bucks new and came with a poster and download codes. Not sure what the bitching is about.

>>46840524
Buying vinyl is worse than rape

>>46840527
That's not because of the vinyl, it's because the CDs versions were mastered by a retard. Happens all the time with old albums

>>46840511
But my point is that you're hurting yourself. I considered buying a record one time.. but then I thought to myself "Hey that's money I could use on something worthwhile." So I decided not to spend money on vinyl records.

You're perfectly free to hurt yourself, but it's kind of a worrying prospect if you've never analysed or justified your decision to do it.

I buy vinyl and download digital. CD's are for poor plebs. I got rid of them all over the last couple years. Expanding my based vinyl collection. I only keep rare CD's or the ones I feel have the best sound quality. Of course that is subjective.

>>46840579
Im not hurting myself at all. Im spending money on something I enjoy. have you never been on holiday?
its not a significant amount of money anyway.

>>46840569
Everywhere I've shopped for records (including band merch tables), most of the new stuff is $30 and there are no posters included man. 50% chance there's a download code
(And yes, I have bought the occasional $15 new record. That's rare though)

>>46840579
You're hurting yourself posting on /mu/ while you could be doing worthwhile things with your time. How do you justify that?

Don't pretend you analyse and rationally justify your every decision, it's not true.

>>46840569
I live in australia and every vinyl is $40-$50+

>>46840620
For me new records are usually between 20-30 bucks. The new Kiss reissues are like 35 a piece which is ridiculous. I can find the originals in decent shape for like 5-10 each.

>>46840611
So what you're actually saying is that you HAVE in fact analysed and rationalized your decision.

Having antiquated physical copies of music is more enjoyable to you than the money it takes to procure them. That sounds like you've thought it through and analyzed it and made the right decision.

So I don't really know what the point of your first post was then.

>>46840569
man I wish I lived where you live here it's $30-40!

sure is samefag in here

>>46840630
>implying I'm not at work right now

Haha who posts on 4chan on their free time?

>>46840651
ok
so whats the conclusion? you keep doing what you want and I'll keep doing what I want and everybody's happy.
what was the point of this thread again?

>>46840361
yeah like pinata. shit hat no download code.. like wtf madlib wut yu doin

>>46840119
You're using words like "never" and "always".
Stop that.

>>46840669
That's actually worse. Not only are you browsing 4chan instead of doing something wortwhile, but you are risking losing your source of income to do so.

>>46840583
I('m) like you.

>>46840700
I will never always stop that

>>46840700
Buying records in 2014 is always retarded

>>46839770
I've been buying vinyl for about 10 years now. Mostly dance music and old school hip hop.
Fuck off.

>>46840705
>risking losing my job

Haha nope.

>>46840264
People can tell dude. Shit doesn't work that way.

>>46840757
You in 2004: "I'm going to start buying music in an inferior format that's been outdated for over 20 years"
Wise move

>>46840775
Your boss won't fire you if he catches you browsing 4chan instead of working?

Next time you talk to him, tell him he's an idiot will you?

>>46840804
How can it be outdated when there are still people that like it and use it? Face it. Some stuff sounds better on vinyl. Hell with some newer releases the vinyl mix is just superior. Like on my Mastodon records. They just sound better on vinyl.

>>46840826
my boss probably used to lurk 4chan i'd bet. he's a bigger loser than I am. It's just my shitty summer job where nobody cares what the fuck I do

>>46840264
Here's the right way to do it.
>Take 96kbs mp3
>Import to your favorite audio editor
>Duplicate the track
>Upsample to 192/24
>Shift the pitch up 400%
>Apply a highpass filter to the pitch shifted track, removing anything below 15KHz
>Reduce the volume of the shifted track slightly
>Downmix
>Upload your 'vinyl rip' to an audiophile site
>Laugh as fags rave about quality

>>46840206
>Tyranny of the majority
Confirmed for 14 years old

>>46840842
>How can it be outdated when there are still people that like it and use it?
Hipster fad enters the mainstream. It's liked because it's outdated.
>Some stuff sounds better on vinyl
Nothing released after like 1985 sounds better on vinyl

>>46840888
I highly disagree. It's all about the mixing. If an album produced after 1985 had specific vinyl mixing then it will most likely sound better. Hence why I brought up Mastodon. The digital versions have that wall of sound bullshit going on. On vinyl I can actually hear things.

Same with White Stripes. Most of their albums just sound more raw on vinyl than digitally.

>>46840875
>confirmed for owning a crosley

The entirety of modern music is a hipster fad.
The sooner you realize this, the sooner you can learn to just appreciate music for what it is, regardless of format, and get on with your life.

>>46840940
That's the fault of the producer

>>46840804
>"I'm going to start buying music in an inferior format that's been outdated for over 20 years"
Except that the vast majority of dance music and hip hop was released only on vinyl. You realize that you can't buy all music on the fucking iTunes store, right?

ITT: I don't like that other people enjoy things.

Don't like vinyl? Don't fucking buy them you nerd. Virtually every album is released on CD or digital so fuck off.

>>46840888
>Nothing released after like 1985 sounds better on vinyl
But it does though. Do you even Loudness Wars?

>>46841023
This. Also, does OP have any understanding of the difference between analogue and digital?
Or is he purposefully ignorant of the fact?

>>46840888
dance music is still hugely centred around vinyl and some of these people are the least hipster you'll ever meet

>>46841006
Dance music and hiphop are gay, figures they'd only be on the gayest format ever invented

>>46840658
>>46840636
>>46840620
>>46840640

Damn guys sorry to hear that, I live in upstate Maine and I just tend to buy from local stores. I think i've only ever paid 20+ for a special order otherwise its usually between 12.99 and 15.99

>>46841064
>Not knowing that nobody bothers with vinyl-specific masters anymore

>>46841088
>does OP have any understanding of the difference between analogue and digital
I understand that digital music formats are dramatically more accurate than analog, if that's what you mean.

>>46841098
lol you showed him

Is Portland the Mecca of record collecting?
That's where I live and it's the biggest fucking thing. I like collecting old records but new records are for retards.
Puscifer just announced that they are not selling CDs anymore, just vinyl and digital download.

>>46840888
>Hipster fad enters the mainstream. It's liked because it's outdated.
It's actually closer to "Physical, analogue format remains in existence, because of what it is"

>>46841119
But the fact is, music pressed on vinyl isn't nearly as compressed or distorted as a CD or digital release, so therefore the sound is better.

>>46841098
>gay
>bad

>>46841152
New vinyl is pressed because it's a fad
People who had to deal with vinyl the first time around were glad to move to CDs

Vinyl sounds worse, and people think it sounds better because it's basically lower quality and you can't hear the fuck ups. It's like how HD porn is fucking disgusting.

>>46841141
You don't actually understand that, because it's not always the case. Analog recording has greater response to noise, but that's because it records waveforms as they are.
Playing the music yourself > Hearing the music live > Analogue >Digital

>>46841186
Oh god so much this
Porn should never be higher res than DVD

>>46841157
No it isn't.

Most vinyls today are pressed using the CD master.

>>46841225
Tru dat, but there still isn't anything wrong with vinyl.
This is coming from a person who owns most of his music in a digital format.

>>46841224
>Analog recording has greater response to noise, but that's because it records waveforms as they are.

As they are?

>>46841224
It is literally always the case. Digital has a much higher resolution and much lower noise floor than analog, and an even moreso than vinyl.

>>46841227
Source?

>>46841157
1. take cd master
2. remove all the bass
3. put it on vinyl

that's how it works. its only albums that were originally released only on vinyl that sound better than CD

isn't this as simple as the vinyls sine waves being smooth as opposed to the blocked fragmented ones on digital formats?

>>46841264
The demand for vinyl simply isn't strong enough for artists to justify spending money on a seperate master.

Also, vinyl is surprisingly forgiving with headroom, so as long as you have your CD master around at least DR9 you can press to vinyl with no problems, as long as you're mastering in a suitably high bit depth and sample rate (which any mastering artist does).

>>46840273
No because it'll have a shitty cart that won't pick up all the good frequencies, and it'll have a shitty built in preamp further killing the sound.

So yes it'll play it, but it'll sound like ass, which is pointless.

But then again, you probably listen to music through your shitty laptop speakers so you don't know any better.

Yes I'm making a lot of presumptions. But the point is: good equipment = good sound, regardless of format.

>>46841313
>blocked fragmented ones on digital formats

Hahah, no.

>>46841313
Yeah, but people dumb.

>>46840273

technically it can, yes.

>>46840333
>>46840361
Just download it illegally mang.

As far as I'm concerned you're entitled to a digital copy if you buy the vinyl, whether they give you a download or not.

>>46841313

>What is Nyquist

>buying CDs in that cheap ass plastic that breaks if dropped over 5 feet
>not spending an extra 5-$15 for bigger art, a download link, inside art, sleeve art, and glorious shiny record(s)
>not buying into the concept that vinyl records appreciate over time
>not realizing that most CDs aren't even at 320kbps
top fucking laugh

>>46841345
That reminds me, cassette tape has the shittiest headroom, so that makes it the worst of the retro physical formats, yet people buy it for its 'cool factor' (I'm old enough to have used tape back in the day and only because it was the only way to make a copy of your pal's recently bought CDs - it sounded like shit even with Dolby Noise Reduction). At least vinyl sounds good. I still maintain that it sounds smoother and less fatiguing on the ears than CD and MP3.

Don't get me started on MiniDiscs. I was still using them up until a couple of years ago, having had a MiniDisc player in my car since 2000, just as MP3 was starting to make waves. Good idea in principle but obsolete way too quicky to be a viable format.

>>46841448
>>not realizing that most CDs aren't even at 320kbps

wut

>>46841411
That over-the-counter medication that gets you high