If this album had been released in the 60's no one would be talking about Sgt. Pepper in the modern era.
But i-i-it wa... oh, i see.
>>46673944debatable. dubs in contrast are not debatable.
Nobody is talking about Sgt. Pepper anyway, at least not on here.But I don't believe this album would have changed much. Would have gone right over people's head or rather wouldn't have hit the zeitgeist.
Fucking Brian
>>46673995Smile is made up of complex harmonies and instrumentation. Sgt. Pepper is just a bunch of catchy melodies.
>>46674017"Complex harmonies and instrumentation" are necessarily better than "catchy melodies"? Why?
imo Smile stands shoulder to shoulder with the stuff that's being produced in the modern era. Sgt. Pepper just represents the "ideals" of a bygone era.
>>46674053Well they aren't always, just look at prog metal and shit. But Smile has the advantage in that not only is it musically complex, but it's a completely accessible pop album as well.
sgt pepper have some shitty songs like lovely rita and fixing a hole, i don't get how people consider that half-baked shit the GOAT
>>46674116Agreed. I'll always agree with Scaruffi when it comes to The Beatles.
>>46674116fixing a hole is aight. lovely rita i agreei always hated when i'm sixty four
>>46674017you forgot granny music and sound effects
>>46673944i've been meaning to listen to this for a while, but i wasn't sure if i should listen to Brian Wilson or the smile sessions. which to start?
>>46675006Definitely listen to Smile first. Smile sessions will just give you a little insight to the original creative process. Watch the Smile documentary too if you're up for it. It'll give the finished product a lot my significance. It did for me anyway.
>>46675006The Smile Sessions. there are a few songs that are missing vocals but it makes up for it with how good the stuff that's there is. Brian's voice was, well, not what it used to be when he recorded his solo version
>>46675060>>46675084What the--
some my say smile is a little too clever fr it own good. especially the lyrics and theme but it goes much deeper musically than anything the beatles were doing
>>46675060doc, brian, sessions. got itthanks anon i'll do just that
It wasn't just the Beach Boys, it was an entire movement finally coming to a close as the 60's came to a close. It was happening in television, film and music; the sound, the style, the whole thing was out. Beatles didn't have to be the "better act," they were just a different act.
>>46675084>>46675117oh, i...oh
>>46675113sorry. I like smile sessions more than anything but it's still unfinished. sgt pepper by contrast has a clear musical symmetry to it. it's a totally complete work and therefore still the superior "GOAT 60's album">inb4 too edgy 4u>dat day in the life
Shut up fags.
I'm just here to say that if the harmonies on In Blue Hawaii don't give you chills you're dead inside.
>>46675173I've always been a fan of the modular way Smile was composed. I think the solo release is probably 98% accurate as far as what the intended finished product was originally supposed to be. It's just interesting how he composes chunks of melody at a time and THEN makes them into songs.
I get a kick out of how perfectly they nailed the van Dyke/Wilson style in that movie Walk Hard
what other beach boys albums are as good as pet sounds and smile sessions?
>>46675429Sunflower is basically the equivalent of Pet Sounds if the rest of the band had equal contribution in it. Not as good imo, but the best post-Pet Sounds purely Beach Boys album probably. I also like Surf's Up a good bit
>>46675429Side 2 of TodayWild HoneySunflowerSurf's UpHolland
>>46675429Love You
>>46674116Sgt. Pepper was ahead of its' time. However, because it was often replicated or imitated by contemporaries and then overplayed, the "shock" value is lost on anyone born after 1970. It doesn't sound groundbreaking now as it did when it first came out because many techniques on it have been used on countless albums since. And Lovely Rita is one of the best Beatles songs so fuck you.
>>46673944Pet sounds is already superior to Sgt. Pepper, Smile was meant to be even better.
>>46675881>Sgt. Pepper was ahead of its' time. Is funny because I haven't heard a single thing that wasn't already made by other artist at the time. I'll love if you explain me what exactly are you saying that was "ahead" from other bands.
>>46675938loads of key changes, complex chord progressions.
>>46675938post an example of a band playing completely fictional characters. sgt. pepper brought the idea to rock music that you could be the most outlandish thing possible and narrate yourself as that character.
>>46674080>Smile stands shoulder to shoulder with the stuff that's being produced in the modern eraExamples of this modern stuff if you don't mind
>>46674116Even worse when they could have had Strawberry Fields on it
>>46675938>Is funny because I haven't heard a single thing that wasn't already made by other artist at the time. I'll love if you explain me what exactly are you saying that was "ahead" from other bands.Show me a rock band that made a completely Eastern instrumental backing track.
holy shit my face is melting
>>46675938>Is funny because I haven't heard a single thing that wasn't already made by other artist at the time. I'll love if you explain me what exactly are you saying that was "ahead" from other bandsShow me another band using tape loops.
>>46676359That's definitively not unique in Pepper>>46676619You can't reply with a question you silly boy.>>46676712I'll give you that>>46676818The mothers of invention
>>46676835>The mothers of inventionIncorrect. He wasn't using tape loops.
>>46676872Yes he was.
>>46676898[citation needed]
>>46676997I don't have one. But you can listen to Freak Out.
>>46677040Yes it's one of my favorite albums.But no tape loops. Sorry Zappa wasn't the first at everything, even though he was awesome.
>>46677059But there are tape loops anon.
>>46677068Not on that album, no.
>>46677083I'm pretty sure some of those songs have one, if not Lumpy Grave should have tape loops, since it was a recording technique that Zappa used at the time.
>>46677150>I'm pretty sure some of those songs have one,Nope, not only that but there is no written documentation stating it--which is very unusual, since Zappafags went out of their way to state the pioneering things he did above The Beatles. That is apparently not one of them. >Lumpy Grave should have tape loopReleased after Pepper.
>>46677205>Released after Pepper.A couple of months after, we could easily imply that both records were recorded at the same time. I'm afraid that tape loops is not something exclusive from the Beatles.
>>46677250Still waiting on the citation you don't have, will never have, nor will ever even be able to tell me specifically when a tape loop occurs on a Zappa recording that predated The Beatles doing it first.
>>46676623I'd say just take a look at what Sufjan Stevens and Joanna Newsom did in the last decade
>>46675214there's no way the solo release was been accurate. Brian himself admitted it wasn't and the running time would have been too long for a single vinyl record while too short for a double album. If you ask me, Smile would have been a typical 12 song album. and also it would have been better than Sgt. Pepper. love the Beatles but Brian was more talented at his peak.
>>46678878>was beenim a retard
I don't know, they're not exactly directly comparable. Sgt. Pepper is largely remembered for its psychedelic aesthetic and for the catchy-as-hell songs; Smile is legendary for its crazy melodic interplay, childlike lyrical themes, complexity, and towering ambition.
>>46676737Wtf...?
>>46678878Let me see where he admitted that. And how can you say it isn't accurate when Van Dyke was there helping him putting it together using archived recording sessions that Darian Sahanaja dug up? To say it "isn't accurate" is just ridiculous. The stuff they had wasn't even remotely finished. Just look at the smile sessions. You had chunks of melody that they hadn't even decided how to use. It wasn't close enough to being finished in the first place to say that it isn't accurate. It came out as accurate as Van Dyke and Brian wanted it to be.
>>46676712come on m8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1zBG2TEjn4
>>46675006get the purple chick reconstruction of smile. it takes all the original smile sessions and edits in parts of brian wilson's version to create my favorite version, and the version i originally heard.
>>46677294fun fact: smile lyricist van dyke parks did the string arrangements on ys.
>>46679153Darian Sahanaja leads Brian's tour band and helped devise the new tracklist based on what would sound good in concert. The best evidence for this is closing with Good Vibrations, a fan favorite - Capitol wouldn't have let Brian get away with putting a huge #1 hit anywhere but as the first song on one of the sides (probably side 2).Plus the solo version is way too long for a good sounding vinyl record. It would have required 3 sides. this is further evidenced by the Smile Sessions vinyl - 3 sides, with side 2 of LP 2 being alternate versions and outtakes that obviously wouldn't have been on the album.
>>46679208i would argue they stole the sitar from norwegian wood, released a year earlier
>>46679337Another Fun Fact: "Song Cycle" is possibly one of the strangest pop albums in existence.
>>46679351>obviously wouldn't have been on the albumMaybe you'd have a point if the damn album was anywhere near being complete at that time.
>>46679398you misunderstood, im saying the solo album tracklist is inaccurate for that exact reason
>>46679386yeah most of it's a bit too broadway for my taste really. van dyke was great in twin peaks tho, he should do more acting
>>46679413At the end of the day both Brian and Van Dyke had their hands in the album. I don't understand how you could think they wouldn't do everything they could to make it what they originally envisioned, especially considering how emotionally and mentally taxing the whole thing was for Wilson.
>>46679431Woah, he was in Twin Peaks?Huh...
>>46679450because dude the Brian Wilson Presents Smile tracklist would have been literally impossible in 1967, I'm sure there's some truth to it and the "Wonderful Suite" sounds amazing now, but the album is too long for a commercial vinyl release and Capitol would have made him either make more songs (less likely and also would mean BWPS is inaccurate) or bring down the tracklist to 12 or so songs for a single LP release (likely)
>>46679536Are you only arguing for the inaccuracy of the tracklist? Because if so then so fucking what. What I'm getting at is the music being what they wanted it to be.
>>46679567hows that not relevant to the album and the musical experience as a whole lolthis is a misunderstanding i guess, I'm pretty sure most of the additions he made to the tracks are what he had in mind and they're also really good
Even someone like Jack Barnett from these New Puritans (who writes very dark music) loves the beach boys.
>>46675429Smiley SmileFriends!Surfs UpLove YouSunflower
>>46680064side 2 of Surf's Up maybethe rest, eh
>Pet Sounds vs Revolver>Smile vs Sgt Peppers>Wild Honey vs Magical Mystery Tour>Friends vs White Album>20/20 vs Yellow Submarine>Sunflower vs Abbey Roadwhat'd you think, /mu/?
>>46680151The only track i dislike is Student Demo time.I could see how you dont like Disney Girls or Dont go In the water.
>>46680064Smiley Smile, Wild Honey, and Love You are must listens. 3 of my most favorite albums.
>>46680172bad comparisons except smile/pepper
>>46680269true, but I was going for release dates anyway
>>46680196yeah student demo time sucked ass but you could make a 10/10 album if you put the best of their post pet sounds - surfs up albums into one album>>46680172literally only the first 2 rival each other lol with everything else The Beatles are so far ahead its not even funnyalso you forgot>Today! vs Rubber Soulbretty even
>>46680242Hmm interesting i love these guys but cannot in2 Wild Honey. I just dislike really any R and B especially white guy R and BForgive me Brian
>>46680316Even "Country Air"? Say it isn't so.
How do you guys feel about the album Mike Love, Not War?
>>46680282I'm just of the opinion that the beach boys were so held back by mike fucking love that only a couple of their albums really go toe to toe with the beatles. but the ones that do blow them out of the water
>>46680242>Smiley Smile>mynigga.jpgAlways thought Fall Breaks and Back to Winter captured the inside of my head better than any song I've ever heard. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZMOxl9VFHk
>>46680350initial opinion: wow is this shit real
>>46680357>Mike fucking LovehahI agree with you, though I hate Murry the most
>>46675938I have to study The Beatles for my music course this year and I can tell you it was ahead of it's time. The use of String Nonet and Harp in She's Leaving Home mixed with vocal counterpoints throughout and Word Painting on Violins and Cello playing in contrary motion was something that wasn't experimented with a great amount, even the lush 9th and 11th chords and B7 chords added to this effect. Also it relied on Broken chords on the Harp which wad unique for it's time. In When I'm 64 the use of the London Philharmonic with Modern Orchestration (ie Guitar and Drumkit) and use of classical techniques like Glissandi also made it unique, mixed with its use of panning and reverb also added to this effect. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Band (the song) also employs unique strutchures; such as use of quaver rhythms on Guitar against Crotchet rhythm Drums, A Major chords in a G Major piece, Dominant 7th Chords, use of vocal antiphony, deacending bass guitar, and bot to forget use of the French Horns to add a classical style to a contemporary style.Despite all of this though, I do think they are overated and the album is contrived.
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