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>"Hi Neil long time no see"
>pls buy phono
>tell them how great it is

Really? He listened to it in his car and it´s better than from studio headphones?

why wouldn't you just buy a cowon

The first time I see someone listening to one of these with a pair of Beats, I'm going to throw a fit.

>>46655624
Holy shit that video is so happymerchant it's not even funny.

>FLAC better than a CD
>being able to tell the difference between 320 and FLAC in a car
>all these buzzwords
>musicians not knowing shit
What the fuck lol.

has anyone justified why this thing is its own music player rather than just an app and software for PC

I mean besides le happy merchant etc.

>buying music you can only play on one device

um ok

>>46656821
>I mean besides le happy merchant etc.
Have you seen that shit?

And they already have applications/software for portable devices and PC. Some of them free. Can't make money off that shit.

>>46656860

well you can make money off the store.

Honestly I think there could be a niche market for super high quality audio files. But this player? Seems so redundant.

>Motherfucking Rick Rubin
What the fuck, dude. This is so happymerchant.

good to see james taylor is trading off with elton john for the whole "dressing like a grandmother" thing

>>46656915
>Honestly I think there could be a niche market for super high quality audio files.
Bandcamp already offers .wav and FLAC. You can buy CDs and rip to a lossless format for archiving. There's no market because this shit can be done for free.

>But this player? Seems so redundant.
It's because they're taking something free and trying to make money off of it so they need to contrive a reason for people to give money.

Listen to those assholes talk about how amazing the music is. CD quality is the best digital gets. And there's already been research showing that people can't tell the difference between lossless and high-bitrate lossy audio. In a fucking car? lol.

fuck off with your memes all of you

>>46656988
dude the pono is 26 times the muscial quality of studio recordings. it literally liberates the music into your soul.

>They wonder why i steal their music

I honestly think Neil's heart is in the right place. But this whole endeavor is fucking pointless.

>>46657042
i heard you actually become music if you use pono

naw check out the kickstarter. serious shit no playin tho.

>>46657072
>being an ultra-mega-level-99-true-final-boss jew
>heart in the right place

>>46656821
If you buy their happymerchant, the DAC in the pono is superior to what you're find on-board in most computers.

>>46657072

Yep, he has no clue what he's really doing. The project will fail, that's obvious.

>that underwater listening comparison
I love you Neil but come the fuck on, this sounds like you're talking out of your ass

Guys? what if I download that free iPhone app that plays flac?

I still don't understand what's going on here. There's very little technical information. Are they essentially trying to sell higher fidelity file formats? They say it's not just that but a whole end-to-end "ecosystem" but what the fuck is that?

>>46657170

They wanted to make a .PONO file, which was supposed to be a lighter FLAC file. Unfortunately they couldn't do it so they just released a retardedly designed FLAC player.

>>46656701
because no neil young

>>46657170
I'm pretty sure it's just an ugly-ass ipod that plays FLAC.

>>46655624
Why are they triangular? That has to be the worst design for a portable device I've ever seen.

>>46657185
Fucking kickstarter...

>>46657170
YOU DONT UNDERSTAND MAN

IT HAS PROFESSIONAL QUANTUM DAC AND HIGH-FIDELITY AUDIO BUFFER ZERO FEEDBACK LOOP IMPEDANCE FULLY DISCRETE WITH A FLAT OUTPUT FREQUENCY LINEAR FILTER

IT FULLY IMMERSES YOUR SOUL AND BONES

>>46657203
because it's sponsored by toblerone

Why on earth is the design like that, where are you supposed to stuff a triangle shaped thing? Is it supposed to be portable?

Hearing the difference now isn't the reason to encode to Pono. Pono uses lossless compression, while MP3 is 'lossy'. What this means is that for each year the MP3 sits on your hard drive, it will lose roughly 12kbps, assuming you have SATA - it's about 15kbps on IDE, but only 7kbps on SCSI, due to rotational velocidensity. You don't want to know how much worse it is on CD-ROM or other optical media.
I started collecting MP3s in about 2001, and if I try to play any of the tracks I downloaded back then, even the stuff I grabbed at 320kbps, they just sound like crap. The bass is terrible, the midrange...well don't get me started. Some of those albums have degraded down to 32 or even 16kbps. Pono rips from the same period still sound great, even if they weren't stored correctly, in a cool, dry place. Seriously, stick to Pono, you may not be able to hear the difference now, but in a year or two, you'll be glad you did.

>>46657225
it's supposed to look like you have a bick dick when it's in your pocket

>>46657206
I say I say I say, that Neil Young MAY JUST have enough money to start something like this himself

>>46657229

Somehow this is all comes off a little bit offensive.

>>46657213
Wow you weren't kidding:

• The digital filter used in the PonoPlayer has minimal phase, and no unnatural (digital sounding) pre-ringing. All sounds made (including music) always have reflections and/or echoes after the initial sound. There is no sound in nature that has any echo or reflection before the sound, which is what conventional linear-phase digital filters do. This is one reason that digital sound has a reputation for sounding "unnatural" and harsh.

• All circuitry is zero-feedback. Feedback can only correct an error after it has occurred, which means that it can never correct for all errors. By using proprietary ultra-linear circuitry with wide bandwidth and low output impedance, there is no need for unnatural sounding feedback.

• The DAC (Digital-to-Analog Converter) chip being used is widely recognized in the audio and engineering community as one of the best sounding DAC chips available today.

• The output buffer used to drive the headphones is fully discrete so that all individual parameters and circuit values and parts quality can be fully optimized for the absolute finest sound quality. The output impedance is very low so that the PonoPlayer delivers perfectly flat frequency response and wide volume range using virtually any set of headphones

>>46657278

I'd be much more interested in these things being part of my laptop instead of that standard realtek crap.

>>46657278
Dude what about electrical interfetterence though.

>>46657278
Well, the DAC part is actually true at least. The rest is usual placebophile bullshit though.

>>46655624
a fucking $400 TOBELRONE

>>46657332
good joke dude

We've got a pretty good idea of the taste of plebs who obnoxiously flaunt the fact that they listen to vinyl on their 'vintage' record players now, but what albums are going to be the poster-children of the inevitable social media tsunami when these things come out?

>>46656988

OK but the whole point is it's "better" than CD. I've not looked in to the specifics, but Bandcamp does 16bit WAV. The whole point is this is supposed to be better. I have no idea if it is or not, but that's not really a valid comparison.

>>46657364
>OK but the whole point is it's "better" than CD.
Dude, it's just FLAC. Probably ripped from a CD!

The fact that you can't tell between FLAC and 320 mp3 makes the whole ordeal pointless.

>>46657401
>The fact that you can't tell between FLAC and 320 mp3 makes the whole ordeal pointless.

This. It doesn't even matter if it IS better.

>>46657401

If that's the case, I don't disagree. I thought I read once it's supposed to be higher quality than CD. If it isn't, then yeah, it's bullshit.

>>46657278
Electrical engineer reporting.

"All circuitry is zero-feedback. Feedback can only correct an error after it has occurred, which means that it can never correct for all errors. By using proprietary ultra-linear circuitry with wide bandwidth and low output impedance, there is no need for unnatural sounding feedback."

So many buzzwords.

>>46657401

>Dude, it's just FLAC. Probably ripped from a CD!

Toblerone is supposed to offer you something much better - FLACs in Pono store will be coming straight from the master tapes. And yes, as such they're objectively the best thing you can get, too bad human ear won't fucking spot the difference anyway.

>>46657423
come on man, you have to have a better bullshit detector than this.

>>46657474

I've not read in to it. All I heard was "better than CD from the master tapes". I trust your judgement friend.

>>46657445
>FLACs in Pono store will be coming straight from the master tapes.
Oh shit.

That fucking means they're trying to sell you the same music, yet AGAIN. As if unnecessary remasters, anniversary editions, and charging for mp3s and shit weren't enough or something. How happy can the merchant even be holy shit.

Call that bitch a placebo-brick.

>>46657445
what the fuck? CD's also come from the master tapes as well. The digital comes from the analog.

>>46657496
quit it with the memes ok

yeah i think it's because the pono files aren't going to be done using pcm converters to 44.1/16 but some bullshit 192/24 stuff.

It won't be better but the numbers are bigger so dicks will be rubbed.

>>46657445
how is this different than ripping a CD?

>>46657588
it's not. As >>46657504 points out, CD's come from master tapes too. It's not like theres a master tape and then all of a sudden CD's rain from the sky like mana.

>>46657588

see

>>46657549

And yep, that's basically the whole foundation of this Toblerone business.

>>46657623
quit it with the memes nerd

>>46657749
see
>>46657521

>>46655624
Yes, I already purchased mine. I work with audio for a living so it was a no brainer

>>46657603

It can be different if it's 24 bit audio as opposed to 16bit. But HD Tracks already does that so I don't know what the market their filling here is.