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45045474 No.45045474 [Reply] [Original]

FINALLY!
A device that plays those high frequencies out of the human audible range!!

>> No.45045511
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45045511

And loook!!!!

Its design isn't totally retarded.

>> No.45045521

>tfw his books constant rants against mp3 and how his system was going to change music made me stop reading and lose some love for him

man, he still has some great shit but that book was fucking awful

>> No.45045538

>>45045511
wouldn't want that shit in my pocket

>> No.45045580

What do you want, its marketed to people who don't know dick about signal processing
Like Neil Young

>> No.45045589

>>45045538
would not skinny jeans

>>45045521
And this. Maybe Neil Young thinks mp3s run at 128 or that youtube encodes in mp3.

In fact, for the extremely autistic placebo dick licker, there are apps for FLAC, and iPhones don't have a massively retarded design.

>> No.45045598

>>45045511
how did anyone ever think this was a good idea

>> No.45045613

>>45045598

Maybe he came with the idea of a portable music player back in 1984.

>> No.45045657

Oh christ! Just look at the second picture I posted or the kickstarter pictures....

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1003614822/ponomusic-where-your-soul-rediscovers-music

You gotta see how it displays the track titles.

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45045671

this is the GOAT over the top portable music player

>> No.45045715

It's just going to be the equivalent of Beats. It's total bullshit but people will buy into it because Neil Young.

>> No.45045724

>>45045657
an audible sigh escaped me

>> No.45045734

>>45045715
At least Beats look cool.

This looks like a kinky buttplug

>> No.45045742

>10% battery
>DireStraits_SultansOfSwing
>04-Old Man_192
>Unknown Artist
why is this being used in promotional pictures

>> No.45045743

>>45045657
holy shit

>> No.45045784

>>45045715

Beats look like shit but they have a better sound actually and they can deal with low frequencies pretty well.

But this Pono thing is just retarded. If you want to listen to music "properly" you download the FLACs or buy a CD and you play it in a decent sound system. Nothing to do with formats unless you care how your dog or the bats on the street listen to music.

>> No.45045796

holy shit it costs $400

>> No.45045808

>>45045671
>Physical slider
Yeah sorry I can't do that.

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>>45045742

Apple did better. At least they are going with the times.

>> No.45045862

>>45045784
Beats suck for sound and are way too bass heavy, have terrible stage perception, and suck at most levels when amplified. They are decent headphones, but not for the price. At their price you could get a whole hell lot better.

>> No.45045877

>>45045808
If the slider could lock itself, that would be pretty cool I think.

>> No.45045889

>>45045511
did he fucking pirate the tracks off a shitty survey site?

>> No.45045896

Hearing the difference now isn't the reason to encode to Pono. Pono uses lossless compression, while MP3 is 'lossy'. What this means is that for each year the MP3 sits on your hard drive, it will lose roughly 12kbps, assuming you have SATA - it's about 15kbps on IDE, but only 7kbps on SCSI, due to rotational velocidensity. You don't want to know how much worse it is on CD-ROM or other optical media.
I started collecting MP3s in about 2001, and if I try to play any of the tracks I downloaded back then, even the stuff I grabbed at 320kbps, they just sound like crap. The bass is terrible, the midrange...well don't get me started. Some of those albums have degraded down to 32 or even 16kbps. Pono rips from the same period still sound great, even if they weren't stored correctly, in a cool, dry place. Seriously, stick to Pono, you may not be able to hear the difference now, but in a year or two, you'll be glad you did.

>> No.45045937

>>45045671
it is pretty fucking sweet
wish it was half the going price but i still feel like it was money well spent

>> No.45045967

>>45045896
biggest false argument I've read, and I believed this back in high school. google it - there isn't any truth to this whatsoever.

If this were true, it would mean everything on your computer is getting changed at the binary level at a really fast rate. Download a hex editor and edit any program, just change one character (each of them are represented by underlying binary) and see if you can ever run it again.

It's a great way to troll people though.

>> No.45045983

>>45045896
>>45045862

Of course not! Dr Dre Beats are the way to go. The ultra static dynamic magnetism within the upper echelon of the headphone has a tendency to help sharpen and brighten the lower range of the midrange, allowing both the warm sound of dynamic headphones and more precise tones of electrostatics to come in shape.

The treble is where the clarity and calamity shines, you can literally touch the body of the treble while listening, thanks to thermodynamic activated noise cancelling outside noise won't affect the treble quality which is an issue in most headphones. We're not just talking about your screaming mother, but outside frequencies you cannot hear still decrease the sound quality. Thanks to the thermodynamics the treble truly shines.

Finally the mids, the perfectly crafted V shaped sound signature making the headphone more fun, without reducing neutrality like the Denon's or Ultrasones. Dr Dre knows your brain has trouble registering abundant mid frequencies that are too forward and solidified, thus the mids remain where they should be. Slightly recessed with a many musical tones entwined with the sparkly high yet not buried by the mind crushing bass.

Dr Dre knows bass better than anyone and boy has he shown it. The Beats have a bass with the lush sonics only apparent in subwoofers while keeping the analytical veil of the higher end AKG line, it's not a question of either or with Beats. You get the perfect cold sound of the AKG's with the planarmagnetically enhanced sub frequencies you normally can't find in headphones. The bass dances around while the sonics caress the mids bringing both forward, yet without recessing the beautifully scent filled treble. The bass doesn't only vibrate your body, it vibrates your soul and subconscious. Only thanks to the psychologically altered rotational velocidensities engineered into the sub frequencies.

The Beats are a complete package and you would be stupid to get anything else.

>> No.45046009 [DELETED] 

>>45045967
That being said, if you change a character that represents text using a hex editor, that text will also change in the program. You can change all the toolbar options in a program to be foul words if you want. Also terms of agreement before agreeing to them. Which doesn't really hold any legal weight.

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>>45045896
fuck off with that dumb copypasta

>> No.45046141

forget that shit, what about this?
http://store.sony.com/500gb-hi-res-music-player-system-zid27-HAPS1//cat-27-catid-All-Res-Audio

>> No.45046150

just buy vinyls and one of those portable players. idiots

>> No.45046240

>>45046150
>le vinyls

>> No.45046306

>>45045983
is this copypasta?

im laffing

>> No.45046362

>>45045967
No its real. I'm A+ certified.

>> No.45046454

>>45046362
A+ Hell yeah brother. Pretty much everything to know about computers ever

>> No.45046532

>>45045671
that shit only has 32 gigs of storage
and supports SD cards going up to 32 gigs

congrats you can store 5 fucking albums in 24/192 on it

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>>45046532
alright alright you win.

this is my favorite hi-definition player. it has expandable SD and depending on the filesystem could probably be pushed past 128 + the internal storige

>> No.45046580

wait a minute
>look at kickstarter vid earlier today
>around 450 k
>look at it now
>around 1 million

it...it actually made it?
what the fuck's going on?

>> No.45046611

>>45046568
also celiene dion hell yeah

>> No.45046643

>>45046580
celebrities hold a shit ton of power in marketing

>> No.45046653

>>45046580
muh Crosby & Nash

>> No.45046698

>The touchscreen LCD allows for easy “swipe” navigation between songs, albums, artists, genres, and playlists.
>touchscreen

what the fuck
WHAT THE FUCK
WHY ARE THERE THREE BUTTONS THEN
DAMN IT

>> No.45046705

I always thought it's funny that Neil Young is so obsessed with hi-fi, as i always thought his albums sound much better on well-played, dusty vinyl with just a cinch of warping.

>> No.45046730

>>45046698
volume up, down, and home button. A screen that small would suck ass with multifinger motions

>> No.45046772

All I wanna' know is if I can bass boost the fuck out of my songs

>> No.45046877

>>45045511
why not just market this as a beat by dre pills, the design only makes sense for that.

>> No.45046883

>>45046730
that'd be so easy to fix if they just made the screen bigger, but i guess they really are cutting corners on the design of the fucking thing to put in high quality equipment or whatever the fuck they're rambling about
ugh

>> No.45046979

>>45046568
I did some quickie research on that thing, because I like the design (physical buttons, hell yeah,) but apparently it has a catastrophically buggy software stack.

>> No.45047134

Really though, what is the best player?

>> No.45047137

>>45046979
Damn. The amazon reviews are so good, I'm still optimistic. The built in DAC/amp looks sooooo nice though.

>> No.45047158

>>45047134
>
>>45046568

for $199 it's so good. Other ones are usually $500+

>> No.45047231

>>45045896
But you are overlooking one thing.
If your MP3 actually goes below 0kbps it will instantly loop back to an obscenely large number (2^32) and will sound better than ever.
It's no coincidence that people are comparing MP3s to champagne.

>> No.45047288

>>45047134
I prefer cowon players.

>> No.45047306
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45047306

I've got one of these with a 64 gig micro SD card. No complaints here.

>> No.45047349

Have you guys watched the Kickstarter video? It's got everyone from Rick Rubin to Elton John to Arcade Fire to Red Hot Chili Peppers etc etc, all saying how amazing the Pono stuff sounds.

It's as if by tacking on as many celebs as possible they will erase all the empirical data that proves humans can't distinguish between CD quality and higher quality.

>> No.45047375

>>45047349
>humans can't distinguish between CD quality and higher quality

oh my gawd

the new le epic meme

it has begun

>> No.45047423

>>45047375
>http://mixonline.com/recording/mixing/audio_emperors_new_sampling/

>The main reason it knocked the wind out of me was its conclusions. It was designed to show whether real people, with good ears, can hear any differences between “high-resolution” audio and the 44.1kHz/16-bit CD standard. And the answer Moran and Meyer came up with, after hundreds of trials with dozens of subjects using four different top-tier systems playing a wide variety of music, is, “No, they can't.”

>The number of times out of 554 that the listeners correctly identified which system was which was 276, or 49.82 percent — exactly the same thing that would have happened if they had based their responses on flipping a coin. Audiophiles and working engineers did slightly better, or 52.7-percent correct, while those who could hear above 15 kHz actually did worse, or 45.3 percent.

>> No.45047698

>>45046979
Yeah, I own one of these, and the software is insanely buggy. There is a major update coming soon though, so I'm looking forward to that.

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>>45045474
good goyim

>> No.45047869

>>45045657
>192kHz/24 bit

Wherefore?

>> No.45047884

>>45046532
>uncompressed audio

>> No.45048749

>>45045511

>unknown artist

that has to be shopped

>> No.45048961

so, is it a lot better than FLAC?

>> No.45049006

>>45045511
can you explain this shit to me?
how would there be a difference between listening to the same file on the pono or an iphone?

>> No.45049217

>>45047134
>your phone
>a VPN off your home server/desktop
>UPnP to stream your library to your local network (which extends to anything connected via VPN)

>> No.45049230

>>45048961
it's worse

>> No.45049397

>>45048961
In some way, yes. FLAC is like 24-bit .tiff while this shit is like .raw.

>> No.45049438

>>45048961
>>45049230
It's much, much better

Looks like ur gonna have to delete that shitty FLAC library that u spent so long workin on. hahaha losers.

>> No.45049453

>>45048961
>>45049230
wait, so they're going to use a new file type or what? what the fuck is going on with this product?

>> No.45049462

>>45047349
I watched it and it was of the worst videos I've ever seen and a complete waste of 11 minutes, even though I pretty much agree with what they're saying (but no-one even explains it or mentions bit-rates, and that underwater visual analogy was fucking awful).

>> No.45049513

>>45049462
>I pretty much agree with what they're saying
what part did you agree with?

>> No.45049524

>>45049513
That a higher bit-rate sound file would sound better than a lower one.

>> No.45049531

>>45049524
i thought you said they didn't mention it?

>> No.45049539

Toblerone Music Player
Thats nice

>> No.45049540

It looks like it's from 2003 and you can't put it in your pocket without stabbing your leg when you move and looking like you have a prism-shaped hard-on. I don't even listen to FLAC.

>> No.45049555

FLACtards gettin mad

lel, nice 'archive' you've got there, in an inferior format

>> No.45049564

>>45049555
are they creating a new format or what?

>> No.45049572

I think I figured it out. You're supposed to roll around a wheel of cheese with a wedge cut out so that you may insert the pono into the gap and wheel it around conveniently.

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45049612

>implying there's not at least one idiot here who will buy this

>> No.45049634

>>45049612
this is fucking retarded, as if fucking neil young need a fucking kickstarter.
if he went to a company they'd throw themselves over the idea, and they'd probably make it better cause they'd know what a fucking retarded design it had.

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>>45049634
He could probably afford to fund it all by himself and he'd make more profit.

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45049663

>mfw

>> No.45049727

>>45048961
>>45049453
It is FLAC, just higher quality files.

>> No.45049735

Kanye player when?

>> No.45049744

>>45049397
So how the fuck is the human ear going to distinguish between those two? Seems like a colossal waste of money, time and energy to me.

>> No.45049745

>>45047306
same here
sansa masterrace reporting in

>> No.45049749

>>45047306
Yup, me too. It's all I ever need.

>> No.45049770

I need something that can hold more than 160GB, I've maxed out my Cowon X7. I was relatively interested until they said it's 64GB with a 64GB card on top.

>> No.45049819

>>45049744
humans can't distinguish between the two, they tried this a decade ago with SACD and DVD-Audio and it has been shown to be indistinguishable from CD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Audio_CD#Comparison_with_CD). I think what they're relying on is people hearing the difference between their shitty car stereos and shitty ear buds and awful youtube to mp3 transcodes and the porno player.

>> No.45049830

well at least it looks like they're just doing FLAC and not doing a proprietary format.

but every half-decent android phone can decode flash.

>> No.45049839

>>45049830
>can decode flac

>> No.45049872

I can't wait to hear some hipster fuckwad listening to this thing with $10 Skullcandys explain to me how much better it sounds than my iPhone

>> No.45049897

>>45049770
1tb usb hard drive + raspberry pi

>> No.45049944
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45049944

>higher than CD quality
>64GB internal memory

>> No.45049991

>>45049531
They didn't specifically, they were simply saying FLAC sounds better than mp3

>> No.45050018

>>45049991
>FLAC sounds better than mp3
Only if you have the hardware to utilise it. Not having a go at you, but everyone always misses this point

>> No.45050028

>>45047306
does sansa loads fast with 64 gigs? also, from what i heard there's no noticeable gap between track in clip+. is this true?

>> No.45050035

how to save $200+
get a used 160gb ipod
replace firmware to play FLAC

it's not that fuckin hard

>> No.45050087

>>45047306
>64gb

>> No.45050109

>>45047134
Sansa+

>> No.45050149

Aren't they just complimenting the car's sound system? What does the device have to do with it?

>> No.45050151

test

>> No.45050161

>>45050109


answer me nigger >>45050028

>> No.45050177

>>45045511
>Fucking triangular prisms
Do not want. That shit will jam into my lag at all times.

>> No.45050180

Despite the overwhelming pile of negativity that is this thread, I'd still be interested in listening to one. Maybe not buy it, but damn if I'm not at least curious to hear what it sounds like.

>> No.45050195

>>45050028
im not whoever but it loads fast when rockbox has it indexed (got rockbox before the microsd card so idk how it is without)

there's no audible gap between tracks

>> No.45050209

>>45050161
Not a clip+ but I have a clip zip and there is no time gap between tracks.

Really nice player and very cheap.

>> No.45050210

>>45050180
Yeah same I'd like to use a demo unit at a store

>> No.45050211

>>45045474
This thing is so fucking stupid it's unbelievable. The design is so terrible it almost completely defeats the purpose of having a portable music player. The advantage of being able to play FLAC is completely fucking useless considering if you want to actually use it like a portable device and not look like a complete fucking idiot, you'll be using earphones which aren't good enough to let you hear the difference between 320 and lossless anyway.

This thing is a piece of shit. What the fuck were they thinking?

>> No.45050233

>>45050209
thanks

>> No.45050237

>>45050211
>people like neil young so maybe we should do what he says

>> No.45050243

>>45045815
i'm gonna puke

>> No.45050267
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45050267

this + portapros

>> No.45050278

What's the difference between pono and my computer?

>> No.45050306

>>45050149

Fucking this, I was seriously confused when watching the video.

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>>45045657
> $1,278,411 pledged of $800,000 goal
>34 days remaining

I want Kikestarter to die. I want this crowd funding shit to just die please I do not ask for much.

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>>45045967
>I believed this

>> No.45050336

>>45050278
The magazine.

>> No.45050337

"Hello, my name is Neil Young. I have shittons of cash but i don't want to spend it in this shitty project because well, it's shitty. Here, i brought Arcade Fire to tell how shitty this is and to write on these paperweights. Give us money now. Thanks."

>> No.45050344

WHY ARE PEOPLE SO FUCKING STUPID AND GULLIBLE?

>> No.45050360

>porno

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>>45045511
>those tags

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45050396

Looks like an iPod from seven years ago made into a triangle.
No one will buy that if they can store music on anything whatsoever.

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45050436

>not spending 2.5 grand on your placebo delivery device

>> No.45050477

>>45050344
well the thing is it's an ipod, but with a really good sound card.

i don't really know how much better it is, cause they keep talking about bit rate/depth, which are fine at cd quality, though i guess taking the quality up a step would make everybody more comfortable, even if its imperceptible.

the key is the DAC. The ipod's sound card just can't possibly give you as good quality as a really high end sound card, and if that's what's inside of this, then i guess that's pretty neat.

>> No.45050489

>>45050477

yeah, but it's fucking stupid when you use earplugs

>> No.45050513

>>45050489
just get beats bro

>> No.45050548

>>45050267
>Annie Gosfield
my nigga

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>>45050489
>using earplugs

>> No.45050564

>>45050267
I've been using portapros in like 5ever.
Hella cheap for what you're getting.
I guess they clamp down a little too tightly, though, but it's not biggie.

>> No.45050609

The only thing this world needs is an ipod with more space (and optionally with more customizable features.

And cheaper DAC's

>> No.45050668

Has everyone ITT read this? http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html

>> No.45050721

>>45050668
people act like this is the only essay that's ever been written about this subject.

for a second opinion:
https://www.meridian-audio.com/ara/coding2.pdf

>> No.45050942

>>45050721
Meridian Audio is a hi fi maker, they are going to want to sell you useless shit

http://audioamateur.com/media/aa/galo2941.pdf
http://drewdaniels.com/audible.pdf
http://old.hfm-detmold.de/eti/projekte/diplomarbeiten/dsdvspcm/aes_paper_6086.pdf
http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=14195

>> No.45050970

>>45045589
Implying iPhones have decent enough DACs

>> No.45050996

>beats by dad

no thanks

>> No.45051044
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>swag
why

>> No.45051080

Neil Young is like most baby boomers in that he loves discussing how those damn kids these days missed out on the age of Quadrophonic sound and smoking dope in a wood-paneled basement while listening to Yes.

Jimmy Iovine same thing. He also believes that's the way to listen to music and tinny little speakers don't cut it.

>> No.45051112

>>45047306
my ipod just died so I'm going to pick one of these up when I have the chance.

>> No.45051153

>>45050211
a lot of people use over ear headphones outside

just because you're a self conscious idiot doesnt mean we all are

>> No.45051179

>go to appstore on my iShit 4
>search for FLAC player
>Grab a flac player for $5

There you go Neil. A music player that plays high quality music, and since the iPhone does not actively amplify the signals, there's little to no harmonic distortion.

Seriously. Why did no one stop Neil in doing this? Does he think it's 2003? If he wants to battle low quality music distribution, then he ought to fight the loudness war.

>> No.45051182

>>45051153
>self-conscious
>idiot
Cool oxymoron bro. So are you, minus the oxy.

>> No.45051200

>>45051182
>Cool oxymoron bro. So are you, minus the oxy.
Damn...

>> No.45051202

>>45045474
The player isn't the project, it's just the retarded face of the project. The millions of dollars is going towards building a FLAC marketplace, and they're just rebranding FLAC as pono. Shit's fucked.

>> No.45051205

>>45051179
well it's going to make at least a million dollars, so shows what you know

>> No.45051223

>>45051182
do you even know what you're talking about

>> No.45051230

i still can't get over the fucking triangular shape
how the fuck will that fit comfortably in any pocket

>> No.45051232

>>45049006
It won't. It's just a shitty tie in device for their flac market, ponomusic.com.

>> No.45051241

>>45049524
http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html

#tybg #xiphmont4life

>> No.45051256

>>45049727
Nope, just flac. Which they're going to sell ridiculously inflated.

>> No.45051269

This fucker trips as "katniss"? Ultimate shiggy, man.

>> No.45051278

>>45051223
Get fucked, twerp.
Oh wait, you can't. Not with those fucking bowls on your head.

>> No.45051316

>>45050477
Some of the earlier iPod's used Wolfdale DAC chips. So did the iPhone's before the 3G, if I recall correctly. Those are some of the best portable DAC chips available.

>> No.45051336

>>45051316
i think it was just the 5th gen ipod that had a wolfson dac

>> No.45051343

>>45051044
Do you know what the word swag initially meant, before it was bastardized by American Negroid so-called "musicians" and the pathetic white suburban youths listening to them?

>> No.45051363

>>45051080
>smoking dope in a wood-paneled basement while listening to Yes.
Honestly though, that would be pretty neat.

>> No.45051374

>>45051316
no, Sabre ES9018 is the best portable DAC chip available, and that's what porno uses.
i don't know if it's really THAT much better, but it is the best.

i mean really though, all apple has to do is use the same chip, and support flac with itunes.
this thing's dumb, and looks dumb

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>>45051179
>since the iPhone does not actively amplify the signals
kegel exercise

>> No.45051403

>>45051336
I believe it was at least one more of them, but my memory is sketchy.

>>45051374
>some of the best
>the same as the best
>mfw

>> No.45051460

>>45051403
im just trying to express that it's better quality than the current ipod, im not trying to debate you or whatever you nigger

it's important that somebody out there is creating a market for better quality portable audio, where ipod has rested on its laurels, and a market better quality masters/transfers (for archival reasons), and that's what they're doing. Thing's dumb as fuck tho.

>> No.45051498

>>45049006
different quality DACs

>> No.45051530

You guys know that you can buy a halfway decent DAC/Amp and listen to 24bit PCM and DSD files right now for less than the silly $400 price tag of PONO.

>> No.45051557

>>45051269

epic

>> No.45051691

So you can only put songs you have bought from the online pono store which will probably be highly inflated prices?

Also will all the songs on there be by unknown artists?

>> No.45051753

>>45051691

This is way dumber than I thought. Neil Young said he was going to release a .PONO format with high range frequencies but less file size than FLAC.

lol, just lol at what TinyMixTapes wrote:

"what the Kickstarter actually clarifies is that Pono is not a new audio file format at all. Instead, the PonoPlayer is equipped to play FLACs. “CD lossless” FLACs, “high-resolution” FLACs, “higher-resolution” FLACs, and “ultra-high resolution” FLACs, but still the same FLACs that have been available as a format since 2001. Also, how could a 128 GB PonoPlayer hold the long-promised “1,000 to 2,000 albums” if they’re all in massive FLAC files? Well, it couldn’t! Not even close! As an updated post on Consequence of Sound reveals, “the device will hold up to 5,000 tracks, which would be about 417 12-song albums.” And that’s at “CD lossless” quality, the lowest of four available on the PonoMusic store.

Does that not matter to you? Seems pretty important to me."

lmao

>> No.45051767

>>45047349
Bunch of fucking dad rockers. I'm not gonna shell out $400-600 just so I can get a "better" quality of sound. I'm content with my iPod Classic.

>> No.45051796

>>45051753
this is bullshit

most of the songs on my ipod are apple lossless anyway there will literally be 0 difference unless your hearing is dog like

>> No.45051804

>>45051278
ahahaha hopefully one day you'll stop being so shy and worried about what everyone thinks of you. hopefully at that point you'll actually find a girl who digs you

>> No.45051817

>>45051796
The Pono could supposedly have a better DAC and headphone amplification. Still, the entire Kickstarter is bullshit.

>> No.45051869

>>45050436

>2.5 grand

are you socially retarded

>> No.45051878

>>45051817

I bet the DAC is gonna be handcrafted by Neil Young himself anyway.

>> No.45051893

c'mon u can't even put your mp3 files, u must download at ponomusic... at least are the songs free?

>> No.45051905

>>45051893
>c'mon u can't even put your mp3 files, u must download at ponomusic
That's not true.

>> No.45051915

Oh my god why the fuck is it selling like hot cakes?

>> No.45051942

>>45051817
Then he should be talking about DAC and not the pointless inflated files.

>> No.45051946

>Pearl Jam, Neil Young, Tom Petty, Crosby Stills Nash & Young, Foo Fighters, Willie Nelson, Patti Smith, Arcade Fire, Beck, Dave Mathews Band, Herbie Hancock, Norah Jones, Lenny Kravitz, Pearl Jam and more coming.

>Pearl Jam, Neil Young
>Pearl Jam and more coming

lmao

>> No.45051954

>>45051915

That's the retarded part. It isn't under production yet. He's just raising money to produce it, so technically people is giving free money for a device that's gonna flop like Zune did.

>> No.45051964

>>45051915

because the market is full of pretentious retards, isn't that obvious

I can almost picture someone buying this and going oh I only listen to music in losless quality because I'm such an audiophile while using porta pros

or even worse, people using huge earphones with this shit without an amp

it's honestly hilarious

>> No.45051985

>>45051964

There's gonna be people listening to music with this and a pair of earbuds anyway.

>> No.45051990

>>45048961
it's just a new brand name for flac

http://www.ponomusic.com/#faq

>> No.45052018

>>45051990
They are still calling it FLAC.

>> No.45052037

more like pornomusic lol

>> No.45052056
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>The PonoPlayer is a purpose-built device, designed by world-renowned audio engineers, to do one thing, and one thing exceedingly well - to let you hear high quality PonoMusic in its original quality for the original experience.
> It is also an important voice for the momentum of the PonoMusic revolution - our movement to bring back the soul of music.

I almost threw up, can't read that shit any further

>> No.45052100

http://www.antiquiet.com/music/2014/03/neil-young-pono-hands-on-first-impression/

>At first, I didn’t notice any real difference. The guitars and light drumming that open Heart Of Gold seemed standard to me. However, when Young’s vocals cut in, that was when my eyes widened. It actually sounded like Neil Young was singing the song into my ear from an inch away, the clarity in his voice unlike anything I’d ever heard before. As a kid who grew up in the digital age, it was almost ominous to me.

>I then decided to try out Bob Dylan’s Blowing In The Wind. As soon as the song started, I exclaimed, (extremely loud due to the noise canceling nature of the headphones), “This Dylan song is sick!” The instruments had a much fuller and more prominent sound, and you feel like you’re sitting in a small room watching Bob Dylan or Neil Young sing their classic tunes. Finally, the last song I tried was Metallica’s Enter Sandman, this time using a pair of standard issued Apple headphones. With this one, I was surprised to actually hear more sounds than the version I have on my iPod, which I believe I ripped from YouTube circa 2007. Needless to say, this was probably the most impressive of the three tracks, with the roaring guitars and James Hetfield’s aggressive vocals searing my eardrums.

>With this one, I was surprised to actually hear more sounds than the version I have on my iPod, which I believe I ripped from YouTube circa 2007.

>It sounds better than a 128 kbps Youtube rip

Is this satire?

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>>45052100
okay i'm angry now

>> No.45052165

>>45045474

On decent quality devices you can notice the difference between 44.1 kHz/16 bit FLAC files and 96 kHz/24 bit FLAC files but the difference is so minor that you would never notice it while casually listening to music. This thing is pointless especially the "ultra-high" resolution stuff because 192 kHz/24 bit files are actually worse quality then 96 kHz/24 bit files because 192kHz creates a static feedback. I don't get why they are trying to sell this stuff. Am I missing something?

>> No.45052195

>>45045742
because it's clearly being marketed towards middle aged dadrockers and not you

>> No.45052204

>>45052100
top gun

>> No.45052207

>>45049438

Pono uses 16bit and 24bit FLAC files

>> No.45052221

>>45052165
>you can notice the difference between 44.1 kHz/16 bit FLAC files and 96 kHz/24 bit FLAC files
No, you can't. It has been scientifically proven in double-blind tests that you can't.

You sitting at home alternating between 24 and 16 will result in placebo effect and confirmation bias.

>> No.45052281

>>45045896
go back to /b/ you shit spitter

>> No.45052368

>>45045896
go to sleep neil

>> No.45052392

>>45052165
>you can notice the difference between 44.1 kHz/16 bit FLAC files and 96 kHz/24 bit FLAC files
no

your assumption shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the sampling theorem. your implication is based on a wrong assumption. do yourself a favour and have a closer look at the nyquist theorem or watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIQ9IXSUzuM

frequencies below 22khz are represented exactly the same between 44.1 and 96 khz sample rate and the noise floor is so low in 16bit you cannot possibly hear it unless you have your amp turned up very high which could happen in recordings that were not normalized or very dynamic music

often what people hear in 96khz sample rate audio is aliasing on the high end from their dac shitting, causing a high end atonal sheen that is then associated with higher fidelity

>> No.45052426

>flac sounds better than .mp3
really? has this been empirically proven with blind-tests comparing 320 to flac?

>> No.45052503

i haven't got any good information as to why this is better than mp3s/cds. the video was just a bunch of celebrities saying "wow it's like i'm hearing music again for the first time!!!"

>> No.45052544

>>45052503
Sounds like it's trying to spread the lossless gospel to a mainstream audience.

>> No.45052589

>>45052544
it sounds like they have no real science to it, just smoke and mirrors

>> No.45052606

>>45052589
As if regular jackoffs give a fuck.

>> No.45052645

>>45052606
holy fuck they're saying speakers and headphones don't matter

>> No.45052667

>>45050970
implying anything that will fit in your pocket will have a decent DAC

>> No.45052713

>>45045967
>It's a great way to troll people though.

Son are you retarded

>> No.45052745

>>45052713
It is, since apparently people actually believe it.

>> No.45052802

>>45052667

>implying it won't

DUDE this is fucking revolutionary technology, it has a dac AND an amp inside, it matters not that audiophiles spend thousands of dollars to TRY and achieve crisp and clear sound

you have crystal quality right here, for only 400 dollars!

sad part is people will for this anyway because right now marketing matters more than actual quality of the product

>> No.45052965

Has anyone else noticed it only has 8 hours battery?

>> No.45053033

What exactly is so bad about the iPod Classic? I've heard a lot of people saying it's shit compared to whatever they're using and personally I think it's perfectly fine. I had a 64 GB one that I fucked around with and turned into a 128 GB one. I'd get it to 1TB if I could get a drive small enough. It's been with me for almost eight years and it still works great.

But I just don't know; what exactly's so bad about it?

>> No.45053132

>>45053033
the DAC is shit
fucking pleb

>> No.45053138

>>45050970
>>45052667
>>45052802
Most cellphones and music players HAVE decent enough DACs.
DACs are not rocket science. What usually diminishes quality is the way the device addresses the DAC, the low pass filter after it and the amplification of the signal after the filter.

>DUDE this is fucking revolutionary technology, it has a dac AND an amp inside, it matters not that audiophiles spend thousands of dollars to TRY and achieve crisp and clear sound
You're joking right? Almost all devices need an amp after the DAC, even if it has little gain.

>> No.45053173

>>45053033
Nothing, it's an excellent device (I prefer the Sansa because it's smaller).

>>45053132
The DAC is good enough anon.

>> No.45053651

>>45053132
How exactly, though? Sure, it's nothing like a sound card's or a CD player's, but given its size, it's very adequate. Good frequency response.

>> No.45053731

>>45050996
best post itt

>> No.45053876

>>45051343
The booty of a burglar or thief; a boodle?

>> No.45053928

>>45051343
I challenge you to find a use of that meaning of swag before Jay Z used it on the Black Album in 2003

>> No.45054039
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>>45045896
oh i love that pasta

>> No.45054137

>implying neil didn't pledge every cent of that kickstarter to generate hype

I'm raging so hard I love it

>> No.45054168

>>45054137
Yeah just like thousands of other kikestarters that generated 200% of their target in just a couple of days even though the projects were utter fucking shite, right?

>> No.45054203

>>45051080
Yeah I know a lot of boomers are big audiophiles because of having lived in those times

>> No.45054246

>>45050312
dude, it's just morons waisting their money. why do you care?

>> No.45054311

everything about this is awful lmao
gonna be hilarious to make idiots who buy them take double blind tests

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reminder that this is the analogy they use to sell retards this stuff

>> No.45054586

>>45052221
>scientifically proven
>by studies

I agree with you but that makes no sense.

>> No.45054659

>>45052426
With decent audio equipment, I can absolutely guarantee that 16bit/44.1khz FLAC sounds better than 320kps mp3 or 256kbs aac. There's absolutely no difference between 16bit/44.1khz and higher bit depths/sample rates though.

>> No.45054736

>>45051804
^i feel like everyone calls this guy 'the daddy' and he does beat poetry

>> No.45054778 [DELETED] 

>A device that plays those high frequencies out of the human audible range!!
It's actually an even worse scam than this.

Been getting an issue lately where last.fm counts a scrobbled track twice when it finishes. Anyone know what might be causing it?

http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html

>192kHz digital music files offer no benefits. They're not quite neutral either; practical fidelity is slightly worse. The ultrasonics are a liability during playback.
>Neither audio transducers nor power amplifiers are free of distortion, and distortion tends to increase rapidly at the lowest and highest frequencies. If the same transducer reproduces ultrasonics along with audible content, any nonlinearity will shift some of the ultrasonic content down into the audible range as an uncontrolled spray of intermodulation distortion products covering the entire audible spectrum. Nonlinearity in a power amplifier will produce the same effect. The effect is very slight, but listening tests have confirmed that both effects can be audible.

>practical fidelity is slightly worse.
> listening tests have confirmed that both effects can be audible.

>> No.45054812

>>45054168
It's a known tactic - if your project isn't going to get funded, you kick in the remaining and you get all the shekels.
This is just a variation on that. If you think NY, who is worth millions, hasn't artificially boosted the pledges, you're a doo doo head.

>> No.45054820

>A device that plays those high frequencies out of the human audible range!!
It's actually an even worse scam than this.

http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html

>192kHz digital music files offer no benefits. They're not quite neutral either; practical fidelity is slightly worse. The ultrasonics are a >Neither audio transducers nor power amplifiers are free of distortion, and distortion tends to increase rapidly at the lowest and highest frequencies. If the same transducer reproduces ultrasonics along with audible content, any nonlinearity will shift some of the ultrasonic content down into the audible range as an uncontrolled spray of intermodulation distortion products covering the entire audible spectrum. Nonlinearity in a power amplifier will produce the same effect. The effect is very slight, but listening tests have confirmed that both effects can be audible.

>practical fidelity is slightly worse.
>listening tests have confirmed that both effects can be audible.

>> No.45054845

>>45054812
Which is why this is done before even half the time expires, right? I mean it couldn't possibly just be a case of 100% of kickstarter users/funders being clinically retarded, right?

>> No.45054930

does it have a built in headphone amp?

>> No.45054964

Will it blend?

>> No.45055018

>not having a rockboxed 2nd gen ipod nano
>2565 for the chincks

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>>45054820
Did they really said that?
I hate people.

>>45054930
Look at your phone. See the headphone output? IT NEEDS AN AMP.
Of course the pono has an amp too.

>> No.45055088

>>45055056
>Did they really said that?
>I hate people.
Really said what?

All the stuff I quoted in my post is factually correct.

>> No.45055166

>>45055088
Sorry, I read it wrong.
>192kHz digital music files offer benefits.

Sorry anon ;_;

>> No.45055182

>>45055166
No problem, an honest mistake. My post seems to have gotten all mangled and shit anyway.

>> No.45055378

>>45055182
Non-linearity is a true issue among electronics.
All electronics (even capacitors, inductors and resistors) have a specific working range. Anything beyond it causes noise.

I'm skeptical about transistors failing in the kHz range, even if audio designed opamps tend to have a smaller linear zone in relation to frequency.
I haven't worked with audio transducers yet, so I can't speak on those.

>> No.45055426

>>45054586
He said by tests, not by studies

>> No.45055436

>>45055378
I'm fairly certain you are agreeing with me and not realizing it.

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>>45055436
I'm agreeing with you, and realizing it.

>> No.45055485

>>45055464
Oh okay I thought you were trying to correct me. That's my bad then.

>> No.45055521

>>45054845
Kickstarter going way over goal generates hype - which generates more backers.
There are a lot of retards out there, but they already have ipods and beats

>> No.45055528

>>45055485
Don't worry about it anon.

>> No.45055591

>>45055521
>m-muh conspiracy

>> No.45055620

>>45055591
Shut up, retard.

>> No.45055655

>>45055591
>product that spits false claims on quality and tries to appeal to idiots in order to make money
>not a scam

>> No.45055729

>>45055620
>how dare you point out my stupidity

>> No.45055751

>>45055655
>not what was being discussed at all
Good job, dipshit

>> No.45055768

>>45055729
You didn't point out shit. All you did was spew some /b/s4s/ tier one digit IQ lingo that says absolutely fucking nothing like the goddamn neanderthal that you are.

>> No.45055806

wait, i thought you couldn't hear the difference between flac and 320kbs

they might be talking about the standard apple mp3 which is like 190-something?

>> No.45055831

>>45055806
Probably.

>> No.45055837

>>45055768
>being this buttblasted
Lol calm down there slugger

it's just the internet

>> No.45055878

>>45055426
double blind tests are trials with human opinions as results. There's nothing scientific or proven about them you fucking mong

>> No.45055883

>>45055806
You can't tell the difference between CDDA and 320CBR from a modern encoder.

>> No.45055927

>>45055878
>nothing scientific about double-blind trials
>nothing scientific about isolating and testing a variable through experimental design
are you seriously this retarded or are you just trying to troll me

>> No.45055938

>>45050028
yes, theres a gap in clip+

I still love it though

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>they don't know about 320k mp3

>> No.45056100

>>45056053
>they don't know about V0 mp3

fucking retarded people..

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the reason for the retarded design is to force you to buy 2 of them and that way they will fit better in your pockets

Neil Young confirmed for happy merchant

>> No.45056383

in other news, neil young has a new kickstarter for reinventing the wheel. only its a triangle.

>> No.45056393

The best part about this is that it's a portable media player, where quality is always going to be subpar anyway.

>> No.45056478

>>45052392
this

>> No.45056526

>>45056393
i guess it is portable so you can take it from one hi fi soundsystem in your mansion to the other one on the other side of the house.

because these fucking retards have to know that audiophiles DO NOT USE HEADPHONES if they want HI FIDELITY PLAYBACK.

jesus.

>> No.45056540

>an iPod Classic, released 7 years ago, has 160gb of storage
>This has less, for a higher cost and larger file size

What the actual fuck

Moore was wrong

>> No.45056602

>>45056540
Audiophiles don't actually listen to music

>> No.45056603

>>45056540
not necessarily. this retard convention might start a backlash to create an actually better portable music player or better compression techniques.

>> No.45056615

>>45056540
>Not knowing what moore's law actually is
Every time.

>> No.45056668

>>45056615
>The capabilities of many digital electronic devices are strongly linked to Moore's law: processing speed, memory capacity, sensors and even the number and size of pixels in digital cameras.

>> No.45056708

>>45056603
Even if we can't get more from flash memory for cheap I don't see why we can't go back to HDDs, the one in my ipod has lasted fine while the screen has bled from repeated droppings

>> No.45056722

>>45054659
provide some scientific evidence, please

>> No.45056762

>>45056668
That is because people bastardize moore's law. Moore's law itself is simply that the number of transistors in integrated circuits double roughly every 2 years. Just because it can sometimes be applied to other things in computing doesn't mean that it actually is supposed to.

>> No.45056916

>>45047306
>>45049749
>>45050109
>>45050209
That this is such shit it's unbelievable. Shit froze on me half the time, that fucking annoying fade in/out function, took for ever to find a song when shuffling and sometimes songs would just get deleted from it for no reason at all.

>> No.45056954

>the sound was so human
oh shut up

>> No.45057000

>>45056954
ugh when they get to beck in that video its just cringey
"there's a physical difference"
"you can really feel it"
"so much more buttery smooth and natural"

>> No.45057178

>>45056954
what is this from

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we'll see who gets the last laugh when I'm listening to Harvest on my glorious Pono

>> No.45057419

>>45056916
default firmware or rockbox?

>> No.45057464

>>45055927
It doesn't PROVE anything. Do you know what scientific proof is? well statistics can't prove shit.

>> No.45057518

the marketing is retarded
it's obviously designed to pander to the stevehoffman.tv crowd

the ponoplayer might be worth checking out though if they eventually come out with a model that exceeds the internal storage of the iPod classic and doesn't cost a trillion dollars

>> No.45057711

>>45057518
+daily reminder that 16/44.1 is all you need:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIQ9IXSUzuM

>> No.45057713

>>45057464
>goalpost-moving
It has been effectively demonstrated in several scientific trials that humans can not tell the difference. Deal with it.

>> No.45057791

>>45057711
Monty (the guy in the video you linked) also has a nice in-depth writeup specifically about 24/192 audio in comparison to 16/44.1 here: http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html

>> No.45058640

>>45050312
Sad to think that NEIL FUCKING YOUNG just raised over a million dollars for his bullshit fucking company when that money could have fed countless starving people.

>> No.45058711

>>45058640
Or at the very least it could have went towards actually fixing the problems in digital media/modern mastering instead of doing something that is just going to create bloated filesizes.

>> No.45058805

The best part about this is that albums are more than twice as expensive as other digital stores, and it seems like all the purchases have DRM.

>> No.45058849

>>45058711
>something that is just going to create bloated filesizes
hi-res digital music is nothing new, hdtracks has been selling 24/96 and 24/192 albums for a while now and vinyl rippers most often distribute their rips in hi-res

>> No.45058940

>>45058849
>hdtracks has been selling 24/96 and 24/192 albums for a while now
Who fucking cares? High bit rate and high sample rates fix fucking none of the problems for listening to digital audio, they don't even have any actual audible difference in quality from 16/44.1.

The issues in modern audio are that the major stores only sell shit quality mp3s (which, obviously things like hdtracks sidestep, but they have more limited selection and they give you bloated files for no actual listening gain) and the fact that everything is mastered fucking terribly now (ie. "hurr lets make everything as loud and compressed as possible because dynamic range is for fags").

>> No.45059012

>>45045983
>The ultra static dynamic magnetism within the upper echelon of the headphone has a tendency to help sharpen and brighten the lower range
o
o
I am laffin
o me
o my

>> No.45059425

Anyone here still using the Samsung Apex??
Remember the original ad for it?
Oh, I'll never use anything else again, not an ipod, not a Porno
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvCGqhShNnk

>> No.45059664

i actually wouldn't mind this thing that much if they weren't acting like it's going to start a music revolution

>> No.45059756

>What righteous means to our founder Neil Young is honoring the artist’s intention, and the soul of music. That’s why he’s been on a quest, for a few years now, to revive the magic that has been squeezed out of digital music.

>artist's intention
>soul of music
>magic

Why do people buy into this sentimental nonsense?

>> No.45059949

>>45050436

If that thingy on the side is a volume knob, that is pretty neato.

Would go well with one of those $1500 coconut 3.5mm to 3.5mm cables

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Yeah, it's not like there are 24/96kHz FLAC enthusiasts on /mu/ right now who constantly waste money on gizmos to satiate their aural autism or anything.

>> No.45060093

>>45054203

>Father has a $2000 stack of old audio equipment in the basement.
>$250 AKG K701
>Listens to 128kbps audio on youtube of songs he has CD for in the basement.


I did put a Xonar DG in his desktop, but still, at least put the CD in the computer and listen to it that way.

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>neil young's face when threads like this only drum up publicity for a demographic of contrarian second-option faggots, such as most of reddit and 4chan, which are the exact same website

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>>45060322
>reddit and 4chan, which are the exact same website

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>>45060322
>exact same website

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>>45060322

>> No.45060570

>>45060499
4chan is reddit for hipsters

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>>45060322
>same website

>> No.45060625

>>45060322
>second-option

You mean second opinion?

>> No.45060637

>>45060589
>>45060537
>>45060499
they really are, though
go on the reddit thread discussing this thing, literally the exact same shit

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>>45060322
lel

>> No.45060681

>Pearl Jam, Crosby Stills Nash and Foo Fighters etched Pono players are either sold out or the highest backed
>Willie Nelson, Patti Smith and Herbie Hancock barely have any sold.

Confirmed wrong generation.

>> No.45060705

>>45060637
The fact that 4chan and reddit users can both see what a scam this is doesn't make them the same website.

>> No.45060762

>>45045474
>tfw my headphones exclude those frequencies from the response graph

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>>45060705
I mean, I agree with what you're saying, but I come across many a /pol/dancer that likes to go on about how people on reddit are all liberal faggots, when everyone on /r/worldnews (a front page subreddit, mind you) is about as far from liberal as possible. In fact, they'd all fit right in over at /pol/.

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