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Why exactly do you guys hate Emerson Quartet?

>> No.44895541

2popular4me

>> No.44895597

>>44895541
I'm assuming that.
I mean I'm not a fan of them or anything. I just can't find anything online that says they are a bad ensemble.

>> No.44895681

Are all of Beethoven's pieces for solo piano known as sonatas? I'm looking for a Beethoven piece (at least I'm pretty sure its Beethoven) and its definitely a solo piano piece but I already have 10 hours to get through with the sonatas alone.

>> No.44895727

>>44895681
I know there's at least "Fur Elise" which isn't a Sonata. So there are probably more.

>> No.44895729

What's some good classical music that will impress my friends?

>> No.44895772

>>44895729
Stockhausen.
jk
I think being able to like a Beethoven/Mozart/Bach piece that isn't one of the most mainstream pieces is enough to "impress" people.

>> No.44895787

>>44895729
Play them Mahler's fifth, you won't regret it.

>> No.44895857

>>44895729
Play them Wagner.
They'll literally be blown away.

>> No.44895911

>>44895857
If you play them the right stuff.
Just make sure they're not suffering through all of Das Rheingold.

>> No.44895995

>>44895911
What is wrong with Das Rheingold?

>> No.44896026

More like Memerson Quartet

>> No.44896047

>>44895995
I found the opera in its entirety to be mostly dreadfully boring.
Wagner writes great music but I feel like there was a lot of filler. The great moments, however, really were absolutely terrific.
>>44896026
That answers so much...if they are actually bad for a particular reason I want to know.

>> No.44896107

>>44895681
>Are all of Beethoven's pieces for solo piano known as sonatas?

No, besides the many variations and bagatelles there are a handful of other types (rondos, preludes, fantasia, etc)

>> No.44896119

>>44896047
Well of course, don't listen to any Wagner opera straight through. Wagner is good when co densed into soundbites of digestible size.

>> No.44896147

>>44896107
Ah fuck

>> No.44896154

>>44896119
The problem is that Wagner wrote them like that.

Also, the idea of buying a "greatest hits album" like the one on sale on iTunes right (Solti) seems like a colossal waste of money.

>> No.44896237

>>44896154
>buying music
>not just skipping to the good parts
There's no shame in just skipping through anon.
I would probably not even do that anyways, I usually just listen to the Anna Russell synopsis of Das Ring because shit is hysterical.

>> No.44896244

>>44896119

>don't lisetn to any Wagner opera straight through. Wagner is good when co densed into soundbites of digestible size

are you fucking retarded? are you really that autistic where you can't sit through an opera? I bet you can't sit through movies either. And if you can't finish an Opera in one sitting (then why would you be listening?), at least continue where you left off because Wagner is not about quick payoffs like most Opera before him

>> No.44896267

>>44896244
His operas are like 10 hours long!

>> No.44896291

>>44896244
>Wagner is not about quick payoffs
Problem is that excitement for the payoffs turn into an absolute demanding of them so that the boring shit ends as quick as possible.
>>44896267
4 hours, but still pretty crazy.

>> No.44896293

>>44896267

Mostly 3, but Die Meistersinger von Nurnberg is around 4.

i'm sure you could watch a 3 hour movie, couldn't you?

>> No.44896334

>>44896293
Yes but in that case I would actually have some visuals and emersion. Even if I watched a video it would be like watching a 3 hour play in a language I couldn't understand.

>> No.44896358

>>44896244
Wagner is bad though. I'm not sitting through his ~3-4 hour operas that have ~1-2 hours of good music in it when I could listen to Rossini or Mozart.

>> No.44896363

>>44896047
Rheingold has to set up the story for the rest of the Ring so a lot of the action is expository.

>>44896119
>>44896154
Wagner also made room for intermissions, except in Rheingold (which is really not much longer than the average film today)

>> No.44896366

>>44896291

>turns into an absolute demanding of them

that's the point. though theres nothing wrong with passively listening to music, if you're not invested in an operatic work, you're not truly hearing it. Wagner demands attention for maximum appreciation. that may be tough for those that don't like to listen to long music; but its by far worth it.

>> No.44896385

>>44896358


>Wagner is bad though.

[citation needed]

>3-4 hour operas that have 1-2 hours of good music

[citation needed]

>> No.44896422

>>44896334
Well yeah that's why you get video recordings with English subtitles.
I'll probably be hanged for this, but the Met recording I watched for Das Rheingold had English subtitles that made the action very easy to follow.
>>44896363
That actually makes a lot of sense.
>>44896366
Well I mean I've listened to Lady Macbeth by Shostakovich, a 3 hour opera, and was enthralled the whole way through. Maybe it is Das Rheingold that is the problem though.

>> No.44896460

Is there like any symphonic orchestra who has recorded versions of most classical music out there?

I really don't want a hodgepodge collection of albums by tons of different orchestras

>> No.44896549

>>44896460
Problem is if you do that (limit yourself to one orchestra) you're going to have a subpar collection.

That being said, it's complicated because a lot of European orchestras don't record American music and American orchestras might not record a lot of European music as much.

>> No.44896554

>>44896460
Try the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra or the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra.

>> No.44896608

>>44896549
Well I plan to grab everything else from wherever I can, it's not like I won't listen to some classical compositions because one orchestra hasn't performed them yet

>>44896554
Thanks man

>> No.44896659

>>44896608
Then I stand by the other Anon's comment. Berlin/VPO and also London SO for most music, and then for the side stuff Chicago SO, New York Phil, and San Francisco.

>> No.44896718

>>44895316
Because, while try are not utter shit, they are one of the most subpar world class ensembles currently recording, playing with the musicality expected of a wedding quartet. Practically all of their recordings are inferior to others: Emerson's Bartok, Schubert, Beethoven, and Mozart are definitely not up the quality I expect from a Deutsch grammophon release. The only release of theirs I found universally praised was their Shostakovich, which I never tried because I can't stand the firemen. Also, their Art of Fugue is one of the shittiest releases I've heard, period.

>> No.44896801

>>44896718
Now that makes a lot of sense.
I only picked the Art of Fugue because I was searching recordings and I saw theirs, which prompted the thread.

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44896835

So I've been listening to the classical essentials and I've been meaning to ask, is there anything that has a "Caribbean" sound to it? I don't know how to explain that better

>> No.44896837

>>44895316
I don't really hate them, though I do find a lot of their recordings to be lacking emotion and vigor. Put it this way, there are much better quartets around.

>> No.44896848
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44896848

>>44896718
>I can't stand the firemen.

Oh you mean that arbitrary selection of composers in this image?

>> No.44896927

>>44896835
Aside from obviously steel drum music?
I can think of Cuban Overture by Gershwin but other than that I can't think of any good examples.

>> No.44897022

>>44896835
Hmm well there are several Latin American composers. I would say Villa-Lobos does the best with evoking a tropical feeling in his music. There is also Alberto Ginastera. But honestly nothing comes to mind except maybe this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjj1Hq_TSqM

>> No.44897086

>>44896848
I meant to type "fireman." As in Shostakovich, who I've never been able to enjoy. I also can't stand Rachmaninoff.

>> No.44897104

>>44896718
>the quality I expect from a Deutsch grammophon release

DG's reputation has been tarnished since the 80s at least. Not just in which musicians they choose to record, but also in their recording and engineering methods.

>> No.44897124

>>44897086
Who can?

>> No.44897174

>>44897086
>>44897124
He can be dreadfully cheesy but his work is enjoyable.
The only composer I've really found objectively bad is modern Philip Glass.

>> No.44897331

>>44897124
I enjoy his solo piano works, choral works, and occasionally the piano concertos, even if they are somewhat maudlin.

>> No.44897639

>>44896385
Wagner has great moments but dull quarter hours - Rossini, quoted in "History of Musical Invective"

That's a citation, right? Wagner has his moments for me, but I find that I just can't quite deal with it most of the time. I have pulled drunken marathons of the Ring Cycle before, and they were grueling, but rewarding.

>>44897124
I like Rachmaninoff. He's definitely not my favorite, or even a composer I'd listen to on a semi-regular basis, but I wouldn't think to put it on of my own accord. I enjoy it when a friend puts it on, though.

>> No.44898750

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qavApS7ykFk

>implying this is not the greatest Brahms' piece

>> No.44898764

>>44897124
why is mbdtf so low on your list? just curious

>> No.44898851

>>44898750
Sorry but you're wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R73InRTGBkI

>> No.44898963

>>44898851
No U

>> No.44899001

Tchaikovsky

>> No.44899047

Ravel

>> No.44899091

Handel

>> No.44899105

>>44899001
>>44899047
>>44899091
Just stop now.

>> No.44899122

Mozart

>> No.44899161

Stravinsky

>> No.44899193

Liszt

>> No.44899221

Dvorak

>> No.44899241
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44899241

Bock- The Art of Cock

>> No.44899257

Debussy

>> No.44899296

Wagner

>> No.44899305

>>44899296
Just report him.

>> No.44899309

Kanye

>> No.44899344

Holst

>> No.44899375

>>44899305
Report Wagner? For creating a public disturbance or what?

>> No.44899381

Ame

>> No.44899405

Brahms

>> No.44899412

>>44899375
For being criminally too long.
*rimshot*

>> No.44899422

Ulysse Bouchard

>> No.44899431

Mussorgsky

>> No.44899435

>>44899381
>Ame will never penetrate your asshole

>> No.44899453

>>44896848
What does that fucking buzzword mean?
Is it a /mu/ may-may?

>> No.44899460

Beethoven

>> No.44899488

>>44899460
He's friends with moonshake too

>> No.44899495

>>44899453
Yep, its a catch all term to describe any composer who you don't like.

>> No.44899516

Vivaldi

>> No.44899530

>>44899495
>any composer who CLT's doesn't like.
FTFY

>> No.44899567

>>44899530
Nah, you could easily call Berlioz a fireman

>> No.44899571

>>44899495
I see, but what does it EXACTLY mean?

>> No.44899594

>>44899453
The definition is literally on the image, are you blind?
>>44899530
CLT has nothing to do with the firetruck meme though.

>> No.44899597

Why are there posts featuring just the last names of random composers taking up a huge chunk of this thread?

>> No.44899622

>>44899571
The caption talks about it being used for insincere or overblown art.
Problem being it was mainly used for certain painters of the period, not composers.
>>44899597
spammer

>> No.44899646

>>44899571
Its at the bottom of the chart. It basically means any phoney sentimentality or false patriotism.

>> No.44899673

>>44899571
Check the bottom part of the chart.
>L'art pompier, literally Fireman Art,...

>> No.44899681

>>44899646
>false patriotism
I think I have an idea, but who in particular does this apply to?
I'm thinking Tchaikovsky and Shostakovich easily file in there but then again they're both great composers.

>> No.44899689

>CLT isn't in thread
>thread is still somehow shit
Put your trip back on CLT.

>> No.44899701

>tfw the once mighty kingdom of /classical/ has fallen

>> No.44899717

>>44899681
>Shostakovich
>false patriotism

Boy, it's called irony.

>> No.44899851

>>44899701
/classical is over/. We're on the level of memerap threads

>> No.44899887

>>44899701
/classical/ is over. We're on the level of memerap threads

>> No.44899964

>>44899241
tope

>> No.44899996

>>44897086

I don't listen to Shostakovich much; but I saw his 2nd Symphony performed and enjoyed it a lot. Not the greatest thing I've heard; but it was far more enjoyable than previous listens.

>> No.44900501

Guys I keep hearing that Debussy's orchestration is bad. i just got done listening to La Mer and I thought it was fantastic. Could someone please explain how it is bad on a technical level?

>> No.44900662

>>44895316
Look how the chairs are oriented. Even they know how much they suck.

>> No.44900834

>>44900662
Haha, didn't notice that

>> No.44900852

>>44900501
Be forewarned - a couple of the most douchebaggy tripfaggots don't like Debussy, so it can be very hard to discuss him in a reasonable manner if they're around.

>> No.44900924

That Art of Fugue is emotionally baron, as if it was performed by frigid robots. I spent money on it back when I didn't know any better, and even then I knew it sucked.

>> No.44901012

>>44900501
It's sort of sloppy and some sections of instruments are overdone, I personally it adds a flavor of imperfection to his music that makes it so much better, autists hate anything with emotion though.

>> No.44901028

>>44901012
well, it may just sound all whack and corny. yes, it's awful

i don't know i really like all of kanye albums but i guess there aren't many songs on mbdtf and they are too long, that kinda bothers me. i would rank it higher than lr but i recently discovered the second half of that record and wow it's like an extension of what he did on cd which is my favorite album by him so it really blew me away because i used to hate lr and yeah...

not my cup of tea i guess
it's a little overated

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>>44900924
>emotionally baron

>> No.44901129

>>44901012
Yeah, I kind of got the sense he favoured harps, strings and woodwinds a bit too much. Its a damn sight better than Mahler's Brass/Percussion section.

>> No.44901213

Guys I have such a crush on Anna Netrebko.

What's /mu/'s opinion of her? Is she as talented as I think or am I blinded by how pretty and graceful she is?

>> No.44901246

>>44900924
Damn right it's emotionally baron. I'd even say it's fucking emotionally kaiser.

>> No.44901317

Guys are there any serious Japanese classical composers besides Toru Tekmitsu? He's a little to expressionist for me. I like some of his stuff but I would really prefer to hear something more traditional or at least melodic.

>> No.44901359

>>44901317
Merzbow
and those animu firetruckers

>> No.44901390

>>44901359
I said classical you drunk smeagol

>> No.44901461

>>44901390
>animu firetrucks
>not classical
Next thing you're gonna tell me is that Disney's Frozen isn't a classical masterpiece of the 20th century.

>> No.44901478

>>44901461
Yep, I pretty much am. Nextnyou are going to tell me Clint Mansell and Michael Nyman are classical composers.

>> No.44901483

I mean jesus fucking christ look at her you guys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhfUseqsk3w

She makes Disney princesses look bad

>> No.44901484
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44901484

>>44901213
I'm biased because she has a Russian name, but yeah... she sings well, and is cute enough, if you like a bit of abundant bosom.

>>44900501
I don't think his orchestration is bad, I also listened to La Mer recently, and thoroughly enjoyed it! (Admittedly I didn't make it all the way through...)

>>44900924
Fugues are essentially pretty lifeless, being governed by the principal melody. But I think Bach keeps it pretty interesting, and manages to make you feel something, even if that feeling is "I'm listening to a fugue"

What do you guys think of Aram Khachaturian?

I found this piece pretty bold and meaty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JlGS1m1PL4

>> No.44901486

>>44901478
but they are

>> No.44901499

>>44901484
>I'm biased because she has a Russian name
What do you mean?

>> No.44901511

>>44901317
Tan Dun.

He may be mostly a film composer, but my god he knows how to write for orchestra...
I saw him conduct NZSO doing some of his most famous film pieces... it was an epic concert

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m2TizGwOp8

>> No.44901545

>>44901484
>didn't make it all the way through

Brah, the third movement is the best. It really is reminiscent of Rimsky-Korsokov and is probably the most high-power Debussy piece I have heard. I didn't even know he could firetruck like that.

>> No.44901556

>>44901499
I guess I'm biased to like Russian names?

>> No.44901564

>>44901556
...Why?

>> No.44901589

>>44901545
Ok, I'll re listen and keep at it!

>> No.44901641

If you guys like Debussy you might be interested in Gabriel Perné. Although he doesn't sound that unique from Debussy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLrR3036yks

>> No.44901652

>>44901564
A certain young lady of Russian/Mexican descendance, with a very Russian name, had a profound effect on my existence, and the way I write music

>> No.44901675

can anyone justify why brahms is on the "firetruck" list besides the fact that he was a romantic composer?

>> No.44901702

>>44901675
The meme is stupid, and you should pay no attention to it.

>> No.44901717

>>44901652
Half Slav and half Hispanic is the master race

>> No.44901737

>>44901675
Probably all them Hungarian Dances. Sometimes just 1 piece is enough, like Sibelius and his Violin Concerto. Sometimes you don't even belong on the list by any standard ala Ralph Vaughan Williams.

>> No.44901761

>>44901717
Its an unusual mix. so geographically isolated!

Tan Dun;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0RLMOulL84

>That Erhu

>> No.44901762

>>44901702
i agree, it just seemed especially ridiculous that a list of "bombastic, overly faux-emotional, etc" composers would include him

>> No.44901815

>>44901675
Could be his Piano Concertos.

>> No.44901826

>>44901641
Hmm, not bad but what is up with that picture?

>> No.44901841

>>44899689
>yfw you realized Anonymous is the reason these threads turn shitty

>>44899530
>>44896848
>by Celebes and Tallis
They still teach reading in schools, right?

>>44895316
I hate practically every phrasing decision they ever make. Their signature style is very popular in America, or at least it was for a while, but it is like nails on a chalkboard to me.

>> No.44902006

>>44901511
This guy is awesome, thanks for pointing me in his direction. His weird jap/brit accent is funky too.

>> No.44902057

>>44901032
>emotionally baron

I can't tell if you agree or disagree. Do you really like the Emerson recording? It leaves me totally cold.

>> No.44902088

>>44901841
Its an arbitrary selection. Explain why the fuck there is no Berlioz. What the hell is Ralph Vaughan Williams doing on there? It makes no sense.

>> No.44902159

>>44902088
>by Celebes and Tallis
Why the fuck are you idiots STILL asking me these questions? Are you actually this fucking stupid. Answer me. Either tell me why, or if you can't tell me why then instead say "I apologize for asking, CLT, because I am stupid."

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>>44902057
Emerson shit quartet

>> No.44902178

>>44901841
Anons who bother responding to you and your shitty baits, you're right.

>le hypocrisy face.jpg

>> No.44902182

>>44902159
Whom are you quoting?

>> No.44902189

>>44902159
I'm confused. Are you Critically Literate?

>> No.44902192

>>44902178
>hypocrisy
You don't appear to understand what this word means.

>> No.44902204

>>44902159
You're the idiot. You linked a post that had nothing to do with you. I figured you were calling me out on not understanding the caption at the bottom by calling it an arbitrary selection of composers. Its not all about you kiddo.

>> No.44902208

>>44902192
The meme face was directed towards my own actions, not towards yours.

>> No.44902210

>>44902182
>>44896848
>by Celebes and Tallis

>> No.44902229

>>44902006
That whole school of composers who were part of the cultural revolution and the events of 1976 and 1977, when the Chinese universities opened again, and people were allowed to listen to foreign music again, I find it fascinating. Being repressed/oppressed for so long, then being able to learn about and compose music. Makes for some unique stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzR8mjxX7i8

>> No.44902289

>>44902204
>You linked a post that had nothing to do with you.
see >>44899530
>CLT

Or if you mean >>44896848, then yeah, obviously it has nothing to do with me. That's why the only people who go "hurrrr firetruck ams music le CLT does nots like durrrrrrrrr" are blithering retards.

Lurk a few minutes, you fucking cumrags.

>>44902208
My mistake. I apologize.

>> No.44902329

>>44902289
>CeLebes and Tallis
>CLT
The Jews did this

>> No.44902330

>CLT comes in
>is clearly in a bad mood
This thread can only get worse.

>> No.44902369

>>44902330
Eat a baker's dozen dicks.

>> No.44902406

>>44902330
I-I'm scared anon!

>>44902369
noooooo- [scream is dampened by 12 dicks]

>> No.44902419

I just saw The Wind Rises and it was so sad.

Also I can't believe fucking Frozen beat it out for an Oscar. Fuck the Academy. It's not like I still had any respect for them anyway but fuck them all the same. All they care about is making money.

>> No.44902426

>>44902406
>12 dicks
For shame.

>> No.44902427

>What is kill
>not everything I want is on rutracker
>SLSK is slow
>implying mutracker has anything good on it
Life is pain.

>> No.44902436

>>44902406
ah fuck... bakers dozen is 13....

why the fuck do they always put in an extra egg?
or is the extra egg used to glaze the pie?

>> No.44902440

Say /classical/, why are the best composers faggots?
Tchaikovsky, Bernstein, Copland...I mean really. Maybe it's the conflict with society?
>inb4 muh firetruck

>> No.44902472

>>44902440
I didn't know Copland was gay. That's pretty funny, since he's America: The Composer.

Aw shit, I just remembered I'm American

>> No.44902473

>>44902440
Well I've heard rumors about Bernstein anyways.

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>>44902419
and as we all know, money and good music aren't usually linked.

tfw all the best composers died penniless

>> No.44902512

>>44902472
Yup, straight up gay.

The first movement of his Clarinet Concerto his in fact was supposed to convey the isolation he felt, supposedly.
(for lack of a better recording on YouTube): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1EaFsVUk6Q

>> No.44902530

>>44902427
At some point every classical listener will realize that you can't hear everything you want for free.

>> No.44902538

>>44902440
I don't want to make you feel bad, but those aren't generally considered 'the best' composers

Plus saying Tchaikovsky was gay is speculation. Sure, he was most probably gay, but couldn't express any of those feelings without losing face and getting the shit beaten out of him.
Even today, Russia has a very low tolerance of homosex

>> No.44902548

>>44902419
To make it semi-classical music-related, Joe Hisaishi pretty much ripped off his own (Spirited Away) score for the main theme.

Which I suppose is his prerogative. It worked anyway. Really terrific orchestration throughout the entire thing. Always subtly changing, always highly expressive.

>> No.44902557

>>44902538
They're personal favorites of mine. Was just using hyperbole is all.

>> No.44902575

>>44902512
I learned something today.

>> No.44902620

>>44902440
Gombert was gay too, I just remembered. It actually ruined his career because he got caught fucking a boy.

>> No.44902634 [DELETED] 

>>44902440
Oh, and Percy Grainger. He's great too.

>> No.44902655

>>44902440
Add Britten on there as well

Least firetruck of them all

>> No.44902771

>>44902620
>He was caught fucking a boy

This is why people still disdain homosexuals

>> No.44902804

>>44900924
Oh, just noticed I spelled barron wrong. I woke up shortly ago and haven't had coffee. Forgiveness please.

>> No.44902825

>>44902804
>Oh, just noticed I spelled barron wrong.

Holy shit, I did it again. OK, I'm outta here. Gotta get my shit together.

>> No.44902831

What's a fugue?

>> No.44902838

>>44902804
Its "barren" you fuckwit

>> No.44902903

>>44902831
It's somewhat like that game where one person starts singing Row, Row, Row Your Boat, then another person comes in and another. With fugue the theme keeps evolving.

>> No.44902936

>>44902903
Huh. So I did in fact fuck that question up on my midterm. Goddammit.

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>>44902936
It sounds like you're a pussyoi ass bitch that didn't study hard enuff

>> No.44902985

>>44902961
Oh no, I know for a fact I didn't study hard enough. Procrastination and shit. Hell, I have another midterm tomorrow that I should be studying for, but here I am on 4chan.

>> No.44903000

>>44902440
Bernstein was bi, which makes sense considering his attention whore personality.
Harry Partch and Karol Szymanowski were also gay.

>>44902620
I don't know how reliable a 16th century court verdict is.

>> No.44903016

>>44903000
Can somebody make some obnoxious, Tumblr girl style picture of Bernstein?
I'm shit at Photoshop so I can't.

>> No.44903028
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44903028

>>44903016
This is all I have

>> No.44903050

>>44903000
It's unlikely that someone would sentence one of their most valuable servants to hard labor as a galley slave unless there was reasonable certainty.

>> No.44903055

>>44903028
Well that's something at least.

>> No.44903075

>Pointing out ‘how insistently “queer” medieval Christianity can be’, Holsinger (1993: 120) suggests that ‘rather than looking for “actual” lesbians and gay men in the Middle Ages, why not try outing medieval devotion itself?’ Turning to organum, he explores the writings that constantly represent polyphonic practice in corporeal terms as ‘coupling’ (copula), and in relational terms as the product of their male singers. Such rhetoric, he suggests, not only explains the constant link between sodomy and polyphony in the puritan tradition, but uncovers a queerness at the very heart of organum that is also represented in some homoerotic verses of its leading composer, Leoninus (Holsinger 2001, chapter 4). Ironically, then, the polyphony and harmony that differentiate Western music most notably from that of other cultures was from the start connected to same-sex desire, and ‘art music’ originally fell into disrepute through roughly the same association that it has been trying so hard to avoid in the 20th century.

>Furthermore, since sexual orthodoxy can never be assumed, especially among musicians, the constant parade of heroism and masculinity in the repertory from Beethoven to Strauss, and its representation in criticism and scholarship, begins to look more and more like a ruse to divert attention from an endemic queerness so firmly repressed that even to suggest it is an unpardonable error of taste and judgment (as in the cases of Beethoven, Schumann, and Brahms).

Why is this allowed?

>> No.44903082

>>44903028
Heh. Nice.

Isn't Bernstein's Mahler generally highly regarded, moreso than most of his catalogue? Not being a Mahler fan myself I wouldn't know.

>> No.44903102

>>44903082
That's true. He's most highly regarded for his interpretation of Copland, then Mahler.

>> No.44903125

>>44902210
All the authority one needs, really.

Assuming that's why you keep pointing those names out

>>44899701
I really want to bring it back. I want to start posting a lot again.

By the time the summer comes around hopefully /classical/ will be like it was this past summer.

>> No.44903152
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>>44903082
But there are no good Mahler interpretations because its Mahler.

>> No.44903176

>>44903075
>Why is this allowed?

Because 1) no one can surpress writings anymore, sorry. And 2) because feminism and sexual theory has plagued academia so much to the point where analyzing how much Dufay wants to fuck guys is a thing

>> No.44903181

>>44903082
I think the general opinion is that some of his Mahler is very good, while some isn't (he recorded 2 cycles over a long period of time)

>> No.44903182

>>44903125
>why you keep pointing those names out
I'm just so sick of being the scapegoat.

My heart hasn't been in it ever since Ame stopped coming around. I've barely even listened to any music the past few weeks.

>> No.44903206

>>44903082
I've found Bernstien's Mahler performances total shite... dragging tempo's, overly sentimental... Abbado is the pro Mahler Conductor in my eyes... real attention to detail

>> No.44903246

>>44903206
Oh for certain Abbado is king.

>> No.44903360

>>44903182
Why has Ame stopped posting?

Just saying, if she started using a trip again I wouldn't mind it. Most anons probably would, but maybe we need something to anger all you fuckers again

>> No.44903398

>>44903182
>tfw CLT will be in hell with Tallis soon
RIP in piece.

>> No.44903455

>>44903360
I'm going to bed but ame, if you're out there baby, consider my post, you lovely batshit trap

>> No.44904871

>>44903206
1 - Kubelik
2 - Tennstedt
3 - Adler
4 - Reiner
5 - Walter
6 - Eschenbach
7 - Gielen
8 - ??? (Still haven't gotten around to that one)
9 - Barbirolli

Of course, those are only my personal picks, but Mahler is far too diverse for just one conductor except maybe Mahler himself, but we'll never know how that sounded.

>> No.44904906

Is Albinoni the George Lucas of the early 18th century? His published concerti just get worse with each publication. Op. 5 was great and a fresh breath, Op 7 was a little worse, Op 9 more so, and Op 10 was just plain bland.

>> No.44904938

>>44903360
>Why has Ame stopped posting?
s/he got a boyfriend.

>> No.44905283

What the hell is wrong with Stockhausen...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RytjvycKMYI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8K9gkuHpMo

>> No.44905364

>>44905283
What point are you trying to make?

>> No.44905408

>>44905364
Somethings not right in his head...
That melody he came up with, and the way he describes his piece. He's some kind of psychopath

>> No.44905582

>>44905408
He's a psychopath because he wrote a melody using all 12 notes of the octave and used it as the basis of a piece? I don't follow.

>> No.44905651

>>44905408
stockys come up with worse. i dont think mantra is all that insane, at least compared to alphabet or licht, or whatever somebody can find that knows stockhausen better than i do

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Maybe it's partly the wine, but this is making me feel really niiiiiiiice.

>> No.44905748
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Anybody got a non-torrent, non-mega dl for this particular recording? Even 320 mp3 is fine.

plz halp

>> No.44905798

>>44901511
Tan Dun is Chinese you fucking imbecile

>> No.44905838

>>44905748
what about v0?

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>>44905838
v0 is 100% thumbs up A-OK.

>> No.44906028
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>>44905928
going very quickly...

>> No.44906177

>>44906028
Does that really work?

>> No.44906223

>>44905582
Nobody naturally hums a melody using all 12 notes in the octave, its unnatural. He had to work it out, probably just hummed the first 4 or so notes, then "extended" it into having all 12 notes.

>>44905651
Mantra actually seems well thought out... if a little over inflated with its own sense of worth. I guess that's his style.

>>44905798
yes I knew Tan Dun was Chinese....
I kind of assumed anon mean "asian" composers... but yes you're right, He did ask for Japanese composers... derp

>> No.44906254

>>44906223
Okay, so how does that make him a psychopath?

>> No.44906291

>>44905928
https://www.dropbox.com/s/q3f98buzdl2005g/aaaahhhh%26oooohhhh_the_ballet.rar

>>44906223
that is stockhausen isnt it?

>> No.44906363

>>44906254
Its just a feeling I get from him
I'm sure he wet the bed, tortured animals and started fires as a kid

>> No.44906476

>>44906363
He was given to posturing and self aggrandising, this puts him in league with a ton of other famous composers. His childhood was probably quite traumatic for him as he lost several close family members in one way or another, but I don't think he had serious mental problems.

>> No.44906496

>>44906476
Yeah Stocky's alright... one of the few composers I've yet to hear a "good" piece from yet... I'll keep digging, maybe one day I'll find one

>> No.44906551

>>44906496
you might like tierkreis. i think its one of the most accessible works

>> No.44906598

>>44906551
wow that's actually really cool! thanks.

>> No.44906627
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>>44906291
Spectacular! You have all of my thanks on this day. I will not forget your kindness and noble character.

>> No.44906728

>>44906598
i dont really enjoy stockhausen that much either, but he isn't a complete dud for me

>>44906627
no problem

>> No.44906850

>>44906551
>begins with Pisces
>we are in the Pisces stage of the zodiac

Sorcery.

>> No.44907131

Bumpthoven

>> No.44907151

There are many versions of Tierkreis available, personally I recommend this one.

https://mega.co.nz/#!IhxFnJ6R!DKFOBgrJEj5v5siy7tzmSE871dl4fC9kaA2k4rB5pAI

>> No.44908423

>>44903082

Generally, yes.
>Schubert's Piano Trio No.2 in E-flat major, D.929, 4th mvt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Agk2JlEdhQM


I listened to this piece several times yesterday. The 4th movement is my favorite.

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