What is the best instrument, and why is it piano?
>>43878320That's a weird way of spelling organ
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>>43878320bringing piano into the 21th century
>>43878505>Organ>like a piano, but with annoying frequencies added and expressive dynamics taken away
>>43878687>thinks a fuller range of pitches are annoying>doesn't know how to play any other key action, so any thing new is "expressionless">just can't handle the complexity of a Bach Fugue
>>43878687Do you know how stops work or what a swell pedal does? Because you're starting to sound like an idiot.
Pianoforte is without a doubt the most expressive and versatile instrument out there. Guitar comes close and might even be said to be tied to be fair, but I reckon pianoforte is the true king. In a way you might call pianoforte the patrician guitar, and guitar the plebeian pianoforte Pianoforte possesses a noble bearing that other instruments lack. The pianoforte is romantic, stately, intimate, and grand all at once. The prestige of it is unmatched, and while the guitar could be said to share the versatility, organ the grandeur, and violin the romance, none of these can give the pianoforte a run in the nobility department.The list goes on...
>>43878687A lot of organs sound fucking retarded, like the hammond, which sounds like fucking arse and I cringe whenever anyone uses it. Some pipe organs are cool, but you can't play too much because then note blend way too much into each other and sounds like shitI agree with OP, piano is an instrument that can be used in literally any genre, and I'll never get sick of hearing it.
>>43878791>implying those change velocity in a natural way>>43878770>can't understand a post he replies to
Electric guitar, because it has the best capacity of exploring the western tonal scale.
>>43878865>naturalWhat's natural about sound? Is there some sort of naturalometer? At least have an argument that isn't vague.
>piano>not the shiggeridoo and skinflute
>>43879149When something is struck softly to make a quiet sound, or hard to make a loud sound there is a huge difference between the two, not just in volume, but in timbre. There is no volume knob or swell pedal in nature, faglord.
>>43879553Again, that's why I asked if you knew what a swell pedal does. It's not a volume control, it's a brightness control. It opens and closes the chamber the flutes (and sometimes other ranks).You don't need to keep talking, I already know you don't know what you're talking about.
>>43879553There are no piano soundboards in natureThere are no violins in natureThere is no refined brass in natureWhat are you going on about anyways?
>>43879553>There is no volume knob or swell pedal in natureWhy you judge an instrument by its "naturalness"? How do you even judge an instrument by its "naturalness" in the first place? Do you consider a stick to be the greatest instrument?
>>43879762>There are no piano soundboards in nature>>43879764>Do you consider a stick to be the greatest instrument?y'all muthafuckas don't know about objectively the best instrument in the world
>>43879692>it's a brightness control. It opens and closes the chamber the flutesRight, it just adds more of another sound. Because the individual sounds can't be changed in velocity or timbre, you have to blend two sounds to make another sound.
>>43879764>>43879762We were talking about expressive dynamics that a musician can control with his instrument. Now run along children.
>>43879863No. The flutes are the main section of pipes. If anything, it takes away harmonics and subtracts. Your age is showing.>>43879929And it looks like you don't want it to.
>>43880006>He doesn't know all the intricacies of all the parts that make up a church organ!>He must be a child because everyone knows that everybody is forced to take a mandatory course on Church organs and how they are built and operate before they are allowed to start puberty.What are you going to do with all that straw?
>>43880145You're the one calling people a kid, and you flip out when people do the same for you. Again, your age is showing.
>>43880515>You're the oneBecause they were butting in a conversation without knowing what it was about, you know? Like children do?>you flip outLol, You call that flipping out? Pointing out your straw collection? I bring up the organs lack of dynamic range and you flip out, calling me a fag and an idiot, dragging the discussion into the mechanics of the Organ that has nothing to do with the original post, just so you can feel like you're "winning". Win all you want m8, but you still mad, and you still can't play with dynamics like you could on a piano or stringed instruments, or a bock of wood.Stay salty friend.
>>43880973Actually, I never said fag. That was also you.Your just digging a deeper hole.
This was supposed to be a piano thread and these organfags are just shitting it up. Go back to the renaissance you dick whistles.
>>43880973They were pointing out critical flaws in your argument, instead of name calling, you know, like adults do.
>>43881085>organfagsIt's not even about that. It's that you can't handle a thread without acting like a teenager.
>>43881085>Renaissancetop kek
>>43881034It was in that cleaver picture you posted silly. I just tried to even it out. Don't post picture if you don't know what they say, because it is now you who is in the hole. A hole full of straw.
>>43881085>wahhhh, I can't handle arguing without name calling
>>43881105No they didn't, they had no idea what the term 'natural' was referring to, and they started asking about sticks or something.
>>43881254Look at the image closer. It was about refuting the argument, but you just blindly looked at one word. Better yet, you used that word and type of reasoning as the basis of your argument.
>>43881297One if those posts didn't even bring that up, you completely ignored the argument. You don't have to lie, anybody can scroll up and look.Are you going to keep doing this game, or do you have more reasons why you want to be embarrassed?
>>43881297That's because natural is unquantifiable. No actual musician would say something that stupid.
>>43881374>ITT: kid starts a piano thread on /mu/, gets buttmad when he can't argue intelligently
>>43881312>but you just blindly looked at one wordBecause it told me to, that was the emphasis of the picture. It doesn't matter anyway, either way you called me a fag and now your backpedaling because you look like a hypocrite. Just give up.
>>43881374They didn't have an argument. They didn't understand my post, you probably don't either.
>>43881453Apparently context is something else you have trouble comprehending too. The image labelled "your a fag" as the highest tier in argumentative logic, it didn't explicitly state anyone was. You simply used the word as an insult. If you don't understand the difference between that, then there's no point into trying to reason with a person that stupid. Then again, if I looked at any of your other arguments, I would have figured that one out.
>>43881514You claimed that volume or swell pedals are not natural. Neither are any other instrument. Pretending that an argument isn't there isn't a good tactic.
>>43881599>Then again, if I looked at any of your other argumentsYou mean the one about the organ not having a dynamic range like the piano? The one you couldn't disprove so you dragged the conversation into arguments about semantics and insults? Good job on that one.
>>43881700I already addressed that. You dragged it into semantics by pretending one form of dynamic control is more "natural" than another. You've also been doing all of the insulting.
>>43881651>Neither are any other instrumentSee, I wasn't talking about instruments, or the material they were made from or how they were made. I was talking about velocity and how that is created with the hands or the voice, and how that is different from the way the organ's dynamics work. You've got no clue.
>>43881782>See, I wasn't talking about instruments, or the material they were made from or how they were made. I was talking about velocity and how that is created with the hands or the voice, and how that is different from the way the organ's dynamics workOh, I think I see now. Yeah, I just wasn't understanding, and I guess I jumped the gun. I've had a rough day, and all this arguing is partially a product of extraneous factors. Sorry that I wasn't polite. I see what you were saying now, and I don't think our viewpoints are actually that different. No sense in arguing. Again, my apologies.
>>43881782But they're both natural. You're still trying to claim one instrument is better than another because of how natural it is. Do you not see how this a flawed argument?
>>43881773>by pretending one form of dynamic control is more "natural" than anotherIt is. see >>43881782It's the reason the organ and the harpsichord went out of style by the late classical/early romantic period.>You've also been doing all of the insultingwow>>43878791>>43879149>>43879692>>43880006>>43880515>>43881416Don't worry about it, I forgive you organ friend.
>>43881867Hmm, you're right. I guess I was succumbing to a naturalistic fallacy. I still hold that actual velocity control is a much more expressive and valuable tool in music, and that organs don't have that, but I see how dismissing an entire instrument just based on a false sense of "naturalness" is wrong. My apologies.
>>43881430>idiot kid later falls for old copypasta
>>43881853Thank you friend. I am sorry too.>>43881867>You're still trying to claim one instrument is betterWell I don't want to say it's better...But they're both naturalThey are both natural in the way that they are acoustic, but the piano/stringed instruments have timbral differences in their volume changes, which is created by varying levels of force from the hand, where the organ doesn't have that, and its volume changes is created through its mechanics and the layering of sound.
>>4388194111/10
>>43881416ah yes, the classic "no true musician" gambit
the guitar, duhvibraphone/gamelan is a close second tho
>>43878320ViolinI love that shit, they make every composed piece way fucking better than a piano