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>>43856647
punk is dead and goth music isn't really a thing.

>>43856692
goth is a subculture
do you live under several rocks?

>>43856764
>2014
>goth existing

>>43856791
it is mixed in with metal scene but it's there.

black metal is on the ascent

y/n?

>>43856940
really? proof?

>>43856940
y

There's a ton of great underground stuff that sadly a lot of people miss.

>>43856940
I think its still relevant, if you consider Deafheaven black metal. I would consider black metal one of the most progressive and experimental genre in metal.

Hypomanie - Hypomanie EP
>post black metal, depressive black metal, shoegaze

>Sample
Make sure to listen past the lullabye intro. The vocals are great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yexwoXlqlPo


>Download
http://www.mediafire.com/?zgy1gnz1zno

I like some of it

>>43857126
Is this what has become of the genre?... Only good bands so far have been Mayhem, Darkthrone, and the other originals.

>>43857198
2extreme4me

Funnily enough, black metal is quickly becoming the new pet genre of the music intelligentsia. The amount of fucking journal articles you can find now, either analyzing the phenomenon, the early scene, or the music itself, is insane.

I love black metal, but I really don't think it warrants intense academic analysis.

In terms of the general public and the age groups drawn to the genre, I couldn't tell you. I've honestly never met another human being who listens to it - or would admit to listening to it. So I think it's mainly an internet subculture at this point. I would speculate college-aged listeners make up the majority of the fanbase.

>>43857290
>I really don't think it warrants intense academic analysis.
Likewise. It was started by a bunch of mentally-ill lower class possibly gay males who were bored shitless since there's nothing to do in their countries.

>>43857290
It's the new ambient. People see it as sonically progressive (transgressive), when really it's mostly all the same. Though it may have been interesting at the start.

The stuff that people call "hipster bm" in a derogatory fashion, is actually the best stuff the genre has to offer. No surprises there. People are close-minded idiots.

>>43856940

y

see: sunbather

>>43857363
>hipster bm
examples, pls

>>43857126
>http://www.mediafire.com/?zgy1gnz1zno

thanks dude, fuckin owns

>>43857290
An addendum: I don't go to metal shows or have any friends who listen to metal. So it kind of makes sense that I've never met a bm fan in the real world.

>>43856647
>at least goths and punks have a group of people who are into it. Black metal is not that popular.

>MUSIC SHOULD ONLY BE LISTENED TO IF OTHER PEOPLE LISTEN TO IT TOO.

>>43857404
If you want to make friends, you should have simple things like music taste in common. If you are in a scene where hardly anyone is in it, you could end up friendless.

>>43857383
More broadly people are just writing off any crossover, atmospheric or experimental black metal exponents when they use the label "hipster bm."

Deafheaven
Alcest
Altar of Plagues
Deathspell Omega
Liturgy
Wolves in the Throne Room
etc etc.

>>43857424
>If you are in a scene where hardly anyone is in it, you could end up friendless.

OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>43857424

>friends
>over music

Where do you think you are?

>>43857383
Peste Noire is my favourite black metal band and they're generally called "hipster."
Really unfair and reductive.

>>43857473

give me a rec, bro. the stuff i love best has been branded hipster

>>43857473
>hipsters listen to it
>thus: hipster black metal

It makes perfect sense. Don't know why you'd fight such a label.

>>43857492
Check out his pic related, it's good shit.

>>43857515

torrenting now, thanks dude

>>43857499
>production is of passable quality
>band members aren't edgy satanists
>thus: hipster black metal

ftfy

>>43857440
they probably feel thretened that their original black metal bands sound way different from the new black metal and wish it would stay the same.

>>43857534
youre welcome, sexy boy.

>>43857290
It is pretty impressive that these little kids fucking around making lo-fi metal somehow inspired this disturbing and singular phenomenon. I can see why academia would take to it. I mean, nothing interesting is happening in jazz these days. Where else can they go?

>>43857576
they wanted attention and killed for it.

>I don't get the appeal I mean it's not even popular
>talking about "outgrowing" an entire subgenre
well I can see why you don't understand it OP

>>43856647
16-25 usually

>>43857553
>wish it would stay the same.
There's the rub.
The fucking crux of it.
For whatever reason, metalheads are some of the most recalcitrant, backwards idiots on the face of the planet. I admire their passion, but they're idiots, they just are. They have no interest in progression or innovation they just want to headbang to the same shit. And it makes sense, because think about it - anyone who listens to one genre exclusively is bound to be a little close-minded. It's like people who stay in the town of their birth all their lives. They don't know shit about shit.

>>43857541
there is far more stuff like that which isn't "hipster bm" than there is "hipster bm"

it is a pretty stupid term though

>>43857621

hit the nail on the head

>>43857473
peste noire are unfairly referred to as hipster metal, they're actually just arrogant cunts

Hipster metal is just any blackgaze or atmosludge released in the past 5 years.

>>43857621
>"They don't know shit about shit." - Shakespeare

>>43857615
>>talking about "outgrowing" an entire subgenre
Well, I used to love to listen to hardcore metal, and after I left school I started to be ambivalent and now you couldn't pay me to listen to it, because I find it annoying.

People can outgrow anything, even music. Once you grow up you will see what i mean. ;)

>i'm dying
>is it blissful
>it's like a dream
>i want to dream

you can't deny the feels /mu/

>>43857639
Some of the best musicians are often arrogant cunts. Comes with the territory.
Not to suggest that Peste Noire are "some of the best," I'm just saying I don't hold it against them. I've come to expect that kind of thing.

>>43857635
Not really, he made generalisations and assumed that all metalheads listen to strictly one genre, when mostly, that's not the case

>>43857673

refute it son

>>43857673
well to be fair that is how some people define the term "metalhead"
>>43857652
sure thing buddy

>>43857691
http://www.last.fm/user/feathas

why am I even posting in this thread though

>>43857673
>assumed that all metalheads listen to strictly one genre, when mostly, that's not the case
Of course. I did assume that. Let me clarify and say I was talking about the hardcore metalheads. Who would chastise you for calling yourself a metalhead if you even deigned to give indie rock a shot in your spare time. If you so much as enjoyed an EDM track. Whatever it might be. These people exist and don't be fooled, they are legion.

>>43857715

holy shit that's an embarrassing last.fm

>>43857672
Their frontman thinks downloading is bad and people should only discover BM by going to gigs and trading cassettes. I will definitely hold it against that arrogant frog.

>>43857722
The majority of metal fans are not like that. It's a fairly large number, yes larger than most other genres, but not an overwhelmingly large group by any means.

>>43857749
I just take the music at face value, man. The cult of personality is the death of music. I feel better when I don't know what musicians look like or what their beliefs are.

>>43857722
Oh I agree entirely, I just think that it's just as bad taking the completely anti-metalhead approach as the huge metal-heads anti anything that isn't metal.

As I said I agree with you, but from personal experience Black Metal tends to be rather free from these metal only type people, they tend to swim around the Thrash waters.

The reason Black Metal is free is because even these hardcore fanatics tend to avoid Black Metal that isn't Burzum and the classics because it's either too much work or they find it too abrasive. Again you could mention "kvlt only" doods, but people aren't better for actively hating them than the fanatics are for refusing change.

>>43857789
Yeah the fact that they are the epitome of "muh secret scene" still puts me off even though i do like their music. I wish I could unlearn what I know.

>>43857783
If you have relatively good taste in metal, which I assume you do because you are here on /mu/ and not at metal-archives.com or sputnikmusic, then you probably haven't had much contact with the metalheads I'm talking about. I would actually go so far as to say they make up the majority - a lot of them are kids admittedly. Maybe I'm being too bold, but it's my impression.

>>43856692
Quick question, what's the difference between punk and punk rock?

>>43857722
indie rock yes because apparently metalheads are at war with indie "hipsters", as well as metalcore and djent fans.

But in my experience EDM is generally viewed as something entirely separate, so a good portion of metalheads will listen to EDM.

>>43857749
>downloading is bad
It is. It really is. I'm addicted to it, but it's really comparable to junk food. I feel healthier and more fulfilled when I buy physical.

>>43857827
My interactions are certainly skewed away from them (mostly because I rarely talk about metal off of the internet), but I think even taking that into account you're wrong

>>43857695
>sure thing buddy
isn't there something you used to like but you now detest? stop playing dumb little kid.

>>43857827
some people at metal-archives have good taste, but those that do are invariable elitist as fuck.

>>43857831
I would also love to know this.
Am I wrong to speculate that punk is just referring to the attitude and ethos, whereas punk ROCK is the actual music that was born from it?

>>43857863
he means it's bad because more people know about the BM scene and he wants it to be exclusive, he doesn't give a fuck about lost revenue.

>>43857892
>http://www.last.fm/user/feathas
that is incredibly retentious and proves his iq is very low

>>43857909
actually it proves his music sucks, and i wouldnt like it if i heard it.

>>43857872
If I might give my two cents.
I can imagine growing out of a very specific subgenre, though I personally never have. For example, liking crunkcore in your teens is probably something you're liable to grow out of.

But removing ALL heavy and extreme music from your life is just retarded. I don't care how grown up and mature you perceive yourself to be. You're missing out on good shit.

>>43857872
that doesn't mean I "outgrew" it, it means my preferences changed

I'm not going to pretend that all ways in which I change are maturations, especially ones that take place at arbitrary points in time like when I stop/start liking a genre of an art form

What reason do you have to link your newfound distaste for something to maturity? When things change, they must necessarily change at a point in time. It doesn't mean it's related to the time they change for you.

>>43857929
>to maturity?
because i was atrcted to the art cause of emotional reasons
once im not int hat emotional space it doesnt do anything for me
im in a better place emotionally

>>43857951
>i was atrcted to the art cause of emotional reasons
Interesting. I have a very cerebral approach to music myself. Don't really make decisions with my emotions. I over-analyze and intellectualize everything I listen to. I'd never allow myself to be tricked into liking a genre of music because of "feels."

>>43857887

They're separate musical genres too. Punk is NOFX. Punk-Rock is Anti-Flag.

>>43858023
Well, could you go a step further and explain the difference for my benefit? I'm afraid I don't know those bands.

>>43857951
But you've moved from being emotionally attached to art to being emotionally attached to art. Which kind of art and which emotions are superficial when we're talking about the way in which you experience art, because you're doing the same thing now.

What a lot of people would say is that if you were/are listening to a genre just because of your emotional state, that you weren't really "into the genre for the right reasons". I'm not sure I'd quite go that far, but you have to acknowledge that still nothing has changed about the way you interact with your music.

So why call it growth and imply inferiority of what you liked before? You simply right now aren't emotionally attached to it.

So because for you, metal operated on an "inferior" kind of emotion, it's less mature? What about for others, who enjoy it without the tie to the lesser emotions? Why is it the genre's fault that you can no longer enjoy it?

>>43857992
lol, well i save the intellectual interpretations of things for school where it's required

>>43858039
basically, punk rock is poppier

>>43858048
"Pleb" gets thrown around a lot around here. It's lost most of its power and meaning.

But that is a legitimately pleb thing to say, I'm sorry.

>>43857992
that's weird, I over-analyze everything except music. I listen according to subjective tastes and mood.

>>43858041
>"into the genre for the right reasons".
who are they, the thought police?

>>43858041
>still nothing has changed about the way you interact with your music.
it's not about how i interact it's about the feelings that happen when i interact with different things.
surely you have feelings for one person that another person would not bring up in you? same thing.

>>43858041
>So because for you, metal operated on an "inferior" kind of emotion, it's less mature? What about for others, who enjoy it without the tie to the lesser emotions? Why is it the genre's fault that you can no longer enjoy it?
dude, you can do whatever you want. i am not judging everyone based on my experience. you can have your own thing, i was just stating mine.

>>43858074
don't be sorry. i am not offended, we are just different people. :shocker:

Black metal fans mostly consist of teenagers and adult men who never grew up.. what other explanation do you have for grown men with long greasy hair, badly groomed beard ad who wear nothing but metal t-shirts?

>>43858100

pleb

>>43857388
ur welcome

>>43856940
Atmospheric black metal/blackgaze is. I feel it's going to become a bigger influence in genres outside BM now, I'm calling a huge uprising in bands like Les Descrets, Grey Waters and Astronoid, who are mostly shoegaze with BM parts.

>>43858092
>it's not about how i interact it's about the feelings that happen when i interact with different things.
But it is. It's all about that. I just don't see how you can call moving from enjoying some art through emotional connection to enjoying different art through emotional connection "outgrowing". At both times you're listening to music to supplement your frame of mind.
>you can have your own thing, i was just stating mine.
Yes but you've implied that my thing is inferior simply because you used to like it and now don't. Unless you're not trying to imply that, and then I guess you define maturity as change of any sort and we don't really have a disagreement.
>>43858168
That "growing up" doesn't necessarily entail leaving counterculture, and that not all black metal fans do those things anyway.

>>43858168
The black metal fan of the new millennium looks nothing like that. He is clean. Top button done up at all times. Hair styled with short back and sides.

Post-Deafheaven, it's only going to be solidified further.

>>43858168
ive seen some smoking hot sluttly chicks in the scene, man.

>>43858223
>I just don't see
and that is my problem how?

http://living-at-noon.bandcamp.com/album/deceased-before-nightfall

i love mememetal the most

>>43858316
Fuck off with that shit.

>>43858326
its not shit hater, their a good band :)

>>43858335
>hater
>meme
>emoticon

You are the worst kind of person. You are a carcinogen of the highest order.

That being said, yes, they are a good band. I was just taking issue with your word use.

>>43858365
oh look, a loser. let's ignore this loser.

>>43858385
dont be mean, wtf :/

>>43858385
That's a sharp wit you have there.

>>43857440
Really though, calling Alcest black metal is a massive stretch. They have some tremelo guitar riffs that vaguely resemble the softer side of black metal, and that's it.

>>43858385
So you support the proliferation of "meme" as an unnecessary genre prefix? Do you realise how stupid that shit is?

>>43858292
Because instead of try and explain it to me, you'd rather imply that I have a problem.

Stop nitpicking tiny arbitrary phrases and address my ideas: How is the change to your new frame of mind surely a maturation, why could you not "mature" in a way so that you again like metal, how is your maturation related to a quality of the art, and how do you reconcile that with the fact that other people can enjoy it for different reasons and/or never have their tie with it affected by the ways they change?

unfortunately I'm going to go for an hour or two so we'll probably never finish, but oh well

>>43857126
This is horrible.

>>43858399
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

>>43858316
>mememetal

Oh shit, is this becoming a real genre? I remember another metal band having that tag.

>>43858413
Well the second album has one fairly unadorned black metal song on it. But yeah, I realise that it's a stretch. The influence is there though.

>>43858417
not my problem.

>>43858419
>Stop nitpicking
No.

I never met anyone who listened to black metal until college, and those people are in their 20s now and still listen to it as far as I know. One dude used to take massive out-of-body tier doses of psychedelics and blow through whippets of nitrous on a couch while blasting black metal like some kind of viking of the god damn mind. Good times...

Anyway, no long greasy black hair. No fucked up personalities. Varying degrees of academic and professional success. No real commonalities between them, it was just what they enjoyed listening to. Turns out people who listen to black metal are a lot like everyone who doesn't.

Something that bugs me about genre classifications is that people seem to think that when someone says "X band is not Y genre!", that they're trying to insult X band, or have extremely narrow ideas of what the genre is. Some people will get pissed when someone says something like Alcest isn't black metal, when really, the point is that Alcest has reduced their metal sound to the point where its just a small part of their sound (with some exceptions, like the song on Ecailes that's more or less full fledged atmospheric black metal). Its not an insult, its just being aware of how the band has evolved their sound. Music genre's do have certain traits that the music must have in order to be classified as the genre; that's the whole point of them, and no longer fitting into one label isn't a bad thing at all.

>>43856692
What about gothic rock?

>>43858609
not your blog, gtfo

>>43858657
>stop discussing music on a music board

>>43858667
you posted a rant.

>>43858845
rants are better than a shitpost.

>>43858564
It's like this with any genre, people just love to exaggerate the bad things they in something they don't like
Just my 2 cents

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Will
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>>43858900
No difference.