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I'm curious, what is /mu/'s consensus on Yeezus, and Kanye West in general?

I originally hated him and all of his fans. The way they'd praise him like he's some brilliant guy whose ahead of his time. I figured they all drank the kool-aid and couldn't tell that his stuff is just typical shallow, racial, provocative rap. But after watching full interviews with him and listening to Yeezus all the way through, I think I finally realize why people praise this guy. Yeezus is just insane. No one is doing anything close to this. His language is just typical simplistic rapper shit, but what he's actually expressing is some profound stuff. And I somewhat understand now what he's always raving about in his interviews about commercialism, racism, and all that. He's just a poor communicator and so relies on metaphors and wordplay, which everyone is confused by and ends up taking literally. I hate to admit it, but I've been completely turned on him.

tl;dr was a Kanye hater, now I'm all in with him

>> No.42469977

I like his music :)

>> No.42470035

>>42469898
He's kinda a dick but I've been a gigantic fan of his music since The Blueprint came out back in 2001, and I think Yeezus is his best album.

>> No.42470096

yeezus is the literal definition of style over substance. from the artwork to the lyrical content, kanye's taking all the things the media THINKS he is ("reverse racist" even tho that's not a real thing, a narcissist, a misogynst, a man who hates jews, etc) and decided to put that persona on as a post-ironic joke for himself and those into him enough to get it. The album is almost the literal opposite of MBDTF (minimal production instead of maximalist gems full of samples, self-hyping lyrics instead of "i'm an asshole, what the fuck am i doing" lyrics, etc) in an intentional artistic move kanye even acknowledges on the album ("as soon as they like you make em unlike you" obviously refers to MBDTF's critical acclaim and how yeezus is that album's antithesis). But for everything the album has in artistic intentent, subversive self parody, and occasional legitimate criticism of race in america ("New Slaves"), it lacks in actual musical content. The production, while good on some tracks ("Blood On The Leaves", "Send It Up") is sadly a bit rough and, at times, jarring in its seeming obsession with untransitioned changes (i.e. Frank Ocean's verse on that one track coming out of nowhere (even though i really liked that feature)). For every song with a good message, like New Slaves, there are 2 or 3 with shoddy production and post-ironic lyrics that, while offering some criticism of media perception, are honestly too irony-driven to ever have an honest message.

In all, the album shows Kanye at his most conceptual and artistic, but the album is held back by hit or miss production and weak lyrical content.
2/5

>> No.42470409

honestly my favorite ye album now
didn't think that would ever happen considering that i hated it on first listen, and also that MBDTF was one of my top rap albums for a long time

>> No.42470692

>>42470096
>no such thing as reverse racism
Can't be racist to white people, nope lololol sheep as fuck

>> No.42470775

>>42470692
Reverse racism is a retarded fucking term
Duh you can be racist towards white people, and it should just be called racism, no need for the reversed part.
Its really really really fucking rare for there to be a case of institutionalized racism against them though (I swear to god if you say affirmative fucking action)


Anyway, I love Kanye, probably one of my favorite artists ever. Yeezus is definitely his worst album though.

I enjoy it, and think its a quality album, but its just fucking terrible as a RAP album. The lyrics, while they all convey an interesting story and very potent emotions, are just terribly written for the most part.

I'm a little worried that Kanye's been kind of losing his grip ever since his mother died and he probably blames himself for it happening, but oh well I guess.

>> No.42470792

Well, he's not exactly original, ever heard of B L A C K I E or Deathgrips?

>> No.42471028

>>42470792
show me an acid house death grips song

>> No.42471453

>>42471028
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzQFj78Jzr0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf74SP9o-GI

>> No.42471662

>>42470775
>the lyrics are terribly written

Everyone keeps fucking SAYING this. 1) Kanye's lyrics have always been shit. 2) Yeezus, on the other hand, while yeah really rough in places has at least more lines that stuck with me than any rap album I've heard in recent memory. He's not technical and not afraid to say something boring if it'll help him get to something interesting, but shit like "I know that we the new slaves/I see the blood on the leaves" is just beautifully phrased and quotable as fuck. Or the layering of meaning in something like "when a real n***a hold you down you supposed to drown". Or… fuck I could go on all night. I'm saying this as someone who studies literature, BTW.

>> No.42471872

The fact that so many people don't name Yeezus "the greatest or most significant" rap album ever only tells you how far rap music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rap fans are still blinded by commercial success: Eminem and Macklemore sold more than anyone else, therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Rap fans are often totally ignorant of real rap music, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that Kanye West did nothing worth of being saved.

>> No.42474948

>>42469898
I liked Kanye before his mother died..

Its like the Erykah Badu effect all over again

>> No.42474963

>>42471872
Where is Andre 3stacks at?

>> No.42475576

>>42469898
Kanye is amazing, Yeezus is amazing. My third most favourite album of his beyond MBDTF and College Dropout.

>> No.42476048

eating asian pussy all I need was sweet and sour sauce

>> No.42476468

there is no consensus on /mu/ about kanye west, the board seems pretty split between people that love him and people that hate him and can't wait to tell you why you're a pleb for liking him

>> No.42477618

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1GnvlwE3g0
II >>>>>>>>> I >> III

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