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It's a great blend of him actually trying and beginning to go totally insane

because the kanye

10/10 bnm

Production is fantastic and I fucked your mother up the ass

>>42186286
>Production is fantastic
Not really. Like I said 'All of the Lights' is good but the rest is pretty amateur.

It's a fucking masterpiece dude. The transitions are wonderfully executed and the production is some of the best in hip-hop history. Also it's the album where Kanye showed he can be great lyrically. And the features on the album are top notch except for Jay-Z. His verse on Monster was pretty bad

>>42186327

without using 'mediocre', 'alright' or 'average', tell me what's amateur about the production

>>42186327
>amateur
oh, I see, so you don't know what you're talking about

Devil In A New Dress and Blame Game make me sob my eyes out like a little pussy

>>42186327
you sure convinced me with that hot onion

>>42186399
>>42186410
Well it didn't have the depth of say Late Registration. It felt seriously devoid of any proper attention. The samples were forced (stuff like 21st century schizoid man) and the beats were so middle of the road.

All of the Lights, Gorgeous and Devil In A New Dress are the only worthwhile tracks. Everything else is either completely average or shit.

>>42186343
let's not forget that atrocious fergie bit

>This compendium of rap and soul music of the era is a sinister hallucination of self-destructive impulses.

>West displays his knack as a director of voices, arranging them in sequences and layers to obtain maximum dramatic effect. Hence All Of The Lights (boasting eleven guest vocalists), a quasi-house number over thundering convoluted percussion, with trumpet fanfares and a melody reminiscent of DHT's Listen To Your Heart. Hence Monster, a parade of vocal actors (Bon Iver, Jazy-Z, Rick Ross) culminating with a terrific machine-gun performance by Nicki Minaj suspended in time.

>>42186448
I thought Blame Game was ridiculous. What's the point of that skit at the end? "Easy taught me", it was like they were playing around not taking the music seriously.

>>42186556
>Easy taught me

>>42186327
well thanks for clearing this up, you're just stupid

>>42186556
>"Easy taught me"

oh wow

>>42186579
>>42186590
Isn't that what she says?

>>42186491
I agree It was different than LR, I'd like you to explain the opposing depths of the production. Also what do you think middle of the road is? And what do you think isn't middle of the road?

Forced as in they put a random sound in there because they needed to?

>>42186614
yeezy

>>42186614

>>42186614
confirmed troll

>>42186614
You're obviously not a Kanye fan

>>42186556
>>42186614
>Easy taught me

someone give me a link to this album

>>42186343
Kanye has never shown he can be great lyrically, if you think he has you have bad taste

>>42186556
>"Easy taught me"

Yeezus>808s>MBDTF>LR>CD>G>Watch The Throne (>implying Watch The Throne even counts as a Kanye album)

>>42186626
not OP but i get what he means. The 21st century schizoid man sample was off timed and kind of out of place and annoys me a bit
thats what i think he means by middle of the road and forced

>>42186684
not even a Ye stan but

Penitentiary chances, the devil dances
And eventually answers to the call of Autumn
All of them fallin’ for the love of ballin’
Got caught with 30 rocks, the cop look like Alec Baldwin
Inter century anthems based off inner city tantrums
Based off the way we was branded
Face it, Jerome get more time than Brandon
And at the airport they check all through my bag
And tell me that it’s random

>>42186208
Gorgeous is probably the best on the album

>>42186682
lol

>>42186626
Like, for me, Kanye's production is good when he's sampling classic soul riffs. All over Late Registration with Touch the Sky being a good case. It's really lush and goes well with the beats. But the sampling on MBDTF doesn't fit with the beats.

>>42186539
that didn't happen. I shut my ears whenever that part comes on. Literally anyone but fergie

>>42186760
>i shut my ears
what

>>42186579
>>42186590
>>42186629
>>42186640
>>42186652
>>42186654
>>42186659
>>42186688
How the fuck was I supposed to know it was "Yeezy"? What the fuck is "Yeezy"? I don't even know what that is.

>>42186702

>>42186208
combination of pitchfork rating it a 10 and also being babbys first rap album

>>42186747
Yet you think All of the Lights is the best? I don't understand at all. The production on this album sets the damn bar for rap music.

>>42186783
>>42186808

>>42186783

Are you fucking joking

Even people who don't come here know what that means

>>42186732
>confirmed for bad taste

>>42186702
>i just started listening to kanye in 2010 lol

>>42186783
It's like cheesy from cheese.

>>42186684
>>42186732
He is not know to be a great lyrical rapper but he has shown before that he can rap. Songs like Roses, Power, Devil In A New Dress, Gorgeous, New Slaves, Good Morning, Heard Em Say, and many many more. Those are just off the top of my head

>>42186808
I didn't know what pitchfork was when it became my favorite rap album.

>>42186820
Yea All of the Lights has a sense of urgency and energy that the other tracks lack.

>>42186820

>The production on this album sets the damn bar for rap music.

Seriously, stop this shit. It's overall good to very good but not even close to top production. And he's a mediocre rapper.

>>42186614
>>42186783
wow i cant even imagine a better way to out yourself and prove your argument invalid. nice job fuccboi

>>42186835

Actually I've been listening since The College Dropout came out when I was in middle school, and I'm 19 now, so suck my dick.

>>42186828
i don't know what it means. How is that my fault though? It's Kanye's fault if anything.

>>42186831
I'm sorry, but there's no other way to put it. If you can't appreciate that lyricism then you're simply slow.

>>42186857
Well you probably didnt listen to much rap then

>>42186880

Name one album with better production than MBDTF (that isn't another Kanye album). Seriously, I would love to hear it.

>>42186835
You were in middle school in the 4th grade? Props for that, you fucking genius.

>>42186747
I love this album as much as anything in the world and I can see what you mean. You should listen to it a couple more times because I had the same opinion as you but now its in my top 3 albums of all time

>>42186879
>sense of urgency and energy
>that the other tracks lack.

Lost in the World? How is that NOT urgent or energetic?

Kanye had great lyrics up until Yeezus. This is objectively true.

>>42186880
If you can fucking name an album by anyone other than Kanye who has achieved this much in the art of production I will shit a brick.

>>42186896
>little babby 19 year old trying to discuss music

>>42186905
it's not anything but mediocre. People like you are too easily impressed

>>42186958
knock madness

>>42186896
College Dropout came out when you were nine, fucking moron. Not middle school.

>>42186896
You're still wrong

>>42186901
Kanye's nickname is Yeezy. "Yeezy taught me" "Kanye taught me" mean the same thing

>>42186934

Okay whatever, I was off by a year or two, all I know is I first heard The College Dropout on one of my teacher's iPods in middle school and I would listen to it over and over while I worked in class, after 808s I kind of fell off Kanye for a while but when hype starting rising about Yeezus I caught up on MBDTF and I was here in the first thread when Yeezus leaked.

Also I didn't know what Pitchfork OR theneedledrop was until after Yeezus came out.

So again, suck my dick if you think I'm not a real Kanye fan.

Oh my god this fucking guy

>>42186974
I'm actually really excited for you to show me what you think is better lyricism.

>>42186958
2001....
GRODT.....
The Blueprint...
OB4CL....
shit even AEOM....

>>42186974
People like you argue with buzzwords,

>>42187013
I'm not part of this argument, I agree you're a real fan. Just that you were in 4th grade when that album dropped.

>>42186931
Not who you're replying to but Madvillainy has better production than this.
>>42186938
OK, I will listen to this a few more times. I still don't think I will ever like the beats -which sound so thin- but maybe the samples will grow on me.

>>42187029
Can you try that again not in l33tspeak please

>>42187029

>that ignorance

>>42186837
Not to mention just about all of College Dropout. All Falls Down and Spaceship come into mind in particular.

>>42187054
you've never discussed rap online ever?

archive naow!!!1

>>42186783
you cannot be fucking serious LOL

you're like that girl who did the Guardian review who thought that the sample in Runaway is "Reaction!" instead of "Look atcha!"

>>42187053

>Madvillainy has better production than this.

my fucking sides

>>42186880
Dude this is the actually the pinnacle of production in hip hop. It's hard to believe that we as hip hop people can say that, but it's true. Kanye really did do amazing with this album

Production like this won't be replicated for a long long time

>>42187029
dre and RZA some of the best, yes, but I don't think from start to finish either of them produced an album like this

also the blueprint is how kanye got famous for production so I'm not sure what you're arguing there

>>42186901
His most recent album is fucking called "Yeezus." There's no conceivable way that you're this stupid.

>>42186958

Madvillainy
Cuban Linx
Donuts
The Blueprint
Deltron
ATliens
A Piece of Strange

Shall I continue?

>>42187114

I-I thought it was "Who gotcha??"...

>>42187135
OP here. I don't feel that way at all. The production is over the top. With the rapping over the top, it's too busy. He needed to strip this back big time.

>>42186208
Everyone ignore this thread and move on
Even if he wasn't a troll I'd recommend it

>>42187144
bink and just blaze also helped plus them pretty much jacking the supreme clientele sound.

>>42187135
this here is a guy that doesnt listen to much hip hop. he has no idea

>>42187013

>>42187029
>The Blueprint

Dear God the ignorance is just too much on so many levels

>>42187166
Not at all. Hip Hop has never seen production like this. This album needed to happen. The production is the most focused and precise. It's perfect if I've ever heard it.

>>42187025
exited cause you want to laugh at me lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9jsRZzjrgI

>>42187212
if you want i have a meme rap picture i can send to you

>>42186958

>>42187186
not true buddy

hip hop is probably my favorite genre. why do you say that?

>>42187158
nah it's representing the dissonance in kanye's head after the VMA incident and his own persistent douchebaggery

>>42187228
I know Kanye called Rubin a "reducer" instead of a "producer" and I think that's what this needed. He's being too ambitious with the production, so many samples, so many oddball samples too. It's contrived and doesn't flow like Late Registration for instance.

damn what happened

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2518486/Kanye-Wests-Yeezus-tour-woes-continue-just-4-500-people-turn-19-000-seat-arena.html

>another newfag starting another MBDTF thread because he can't comprehend Kanye's genius

such is life on /mu/

>>42187158
>Who gotcha
You sound like a guy who went by crazyaga about a week ago who had this thread blown out of proportion simply because he was listening to MBDTF for the first time.

Lets just say that due to his extreme ignorance to Kanye's music, the lyrics (which he didn't [ay attention to), the whole theme and emotions of the album, and the fact that he listened to it on Grooveshark with shitty earbuds didn't end so well.

>>42187282
This is a point in which we just disagree. I love the flow of the album more than anything. So I'm just gonna let you have your opinion at this point. Some people just don't like it and I can get that

It's basically your average dumb faggot's ticket to being "indie" or "artistic" about music
You need to understand that the people who like this album are some of the most pathetic people on the planet
They desperately want to be "hardcore" and "serious" music fans, so they idolize this album.
It's one of those albums where the cover art does most of the work. If it didn't look nice, it'd probably be ignored as "Oh great, another rapper talking about how the fame got to him."
tl;dr it's a shitty, shitty, overrated album. People like it in order to feel better about themselves.

>>42187333
Do you like Yeezus? Because I feel the same way about that too. Although the lyrics are much better on Twisted Fantasy.

>>42186732
wow well that's... mediocre

>>42187354
>how can one man be so pleb
>is it even possible to be this pleb

>>42187282
Kanye didn't call Rick that, Rick has been calling himself that since he starting producing beastie boy tracks and such, he has always been known for his minimalism.
>the more you know :)

>>42187154
>madvillainy - genius production, but something madlib does all the time (you should clearly look into him more).
>cuban linx - again, RZA is a genius, he's got production down, but other projects are better and this one is certainly not as far reaching in production as MBDTF
>donuts - alright this is a good argument, except for the fact that it's an hour of 1 minute instrumental tracks
>The Blueprint - what made Kanye famous, therefore doesn't work as an argument against Kanye's production
>Deltron - great production, but seriously you can't think this is up to mbdtf
>ATliens - not even the best produced outcast album, how can you be serious
>a piece of strange - The first one I didn't know, but I'll look into it

Why is everyone saying the production is so good? Don't you guys know anything about producing? It may be good for a pop album, but the compression and mixing is just terrible on some tracks

>>42187354
>Biggest Rap Album of 2010
>Indie

You are "retarded".

>>42187267
most people who have been listening to hip hop for a long time havent gave a shit about kanye since graduation.

it seems like when his mother died so did his musical ability

>>42187403
OK, but I think that my point is still kinda valid. MBDTF has production which is too busy. And some of the samples feel like "I'm gonna include this to show you how wide a palette I have".

>>42187360
I love Yeezus. 4th favorite album from him. The thing that does bring yeezus down is the lyrics. But Yeezus (even though many people disagree with this) is a production inspired album. If you listen to it focused on the production with Kanye's voice complementing the sound, you will have a much greater experience listening.

That isn't to say that I think the lyrics on Yeezus are god awful though. New Slaves is great lyrically and so is Guilt Trip, Black Skinhead, and Bound 2

>>42187354

>They desperately want to be "hardcore" and "serious" music fans, so they idolize this album.

Lol no, I will gladly admit that I am a majorly casual music listener, but I listen to Kanye because I truly think he is amazing.

Not everyone pretends to have opinions they don't really believe just to seem cool or deep.

>>42187442
please explain

>>42187453
fuck you

please stay on the internet so people in real life never meet the horrible human being you are

>>42187470
Ya I wasn't trying to undermine your opinion, I just wanted you to learn some hip hop history

>>42187437

>>madvillainy - genius production

stopped reading there, that album is amazingly overrated on /mu/ and boring as fuck, I actually listened to the whole damn thing twice just to make sure I wasn't wrong

>>42187318
/thread

>>42187503
its your typical "i don't have either the correct musical taste or a well-developed enough music taste to appreciate a critically acclaimed album so it must be an arbitrarily selected album that's actually shit but people convince themselves its good" post

i don't like ITAOTS but its not like i think that it's a massive hipster conspiracy its just not for me

>>42187558
Cool, thanks. I do love Beastie Boys.

>>42187560
>I actually listened to the whole damn thing twice just to make sure I wasn't wrong

lol after i heard it i had to go youtube the songs individually because i thought i got given a troll album

>>42187354
i can always spot a troll

>>42187560
ok so madvilliany was one of those albums that when i listened to it the first couple of times expecting it to be amazing, it didn't do anything for me, and i was pretty disappointed

then i listened to it on accident (came on in my itunes after another album) and i was like holy shit this is dope. idk what clicked for me but it's actually really good. i think the accordian sample has been subconsciously stuck in my head for like 3 years now, it just penetrates different demensions of my soul

>>42187560
go listen to some exciting miley cyrus album where the base is in yo face gurl

>>42187453
I love hip hop to death. I love Kanye all around because he's so different from everyone else that has come around. And I think the only average album he has made is 808's.

But I agree with you that his mother dying had a huge affect on his music. There hasn't been much happy music from Kanye since Graduation. Some people like that side of him, some people like the depressed side. I just love both sides because he just never fails to impress me

>>42187583

>correct musical taste

Okay I agree with your post but there is no such thing as "correct musical taste", it's just opinions.

>>42187663
i didn't mean correct like that, i meant that it doesn't align with the album :)

>>42187470
People who think this make me fucking sick.

>>42187560
>not having it click on your second listen
>let alone first
Stay pleb

>>42187686
You don't think the samples are over the top?

>>42187437

>Cuban Linx not one of his top produced projects
>dissing ATliens
>complaining about instrumentals

Nigga what
Alright some more for you because you're so retardedly persistent

Low End Theory (Jesus, even fucking Midnight Marauders)
Game Theory
The Chronic
2001
The Infamous
Center of Attention
The Cold Vein
Illmatic
36C
Liquid Swords
Aquemini
Endtroducing...
Uncle Tony's Coloring Book

They all shit on MBDTF

>>42187723
I honestly don't even know what you think "over the top" means.

I just meant it makes me sick that people sit and think that music is showy or pretentious just because the sampling is unique.

>>42187723
no, they're ambitious, not over the top

>>42187442
The production IS good, it's fantastic, actually.
I know what you mean with the compression and mixing, I'm an engineer myself.
But the thing is that Kanye wanted it to sound that way.
He wanted it to sound dark, beat up, hot, and twisted, it fits the songs, the theme of the whole album, and you gotta respect that to some extent.
I personally think it fits the album, but I wouldn't mind hearing a more dynamic mix/master of the album.

>>42187731
You've listed some of my favorite albums of all time. But I still place them up their with MBDTF, I love the production, and I don't want to carry this argument any farther.

>>42187763
>>42187770
I know he can't make music where the production is stripped back and the vocals take the lead because Kanye can't rap. So he compensates for this with better production. I think this worked on Late Registration and The College Dropout but he took it too far on Twisted Fantasy.

>All of the Lights
>one of the most generic tracks on the album
>says the production is amateur

top lel

>>42187825
The sample went well with the beat on that track.

>>42187823
is it a bad thing that he's more concerned with sonic aesthetics than lyrical ability? that's what sells me on him

lyrics to me aren't nearly as important to me as production is, i don't bother listening to lyrics if the production doesn't hook me

All trolling aside, it's critically acclaimed because it fused the tone of classic rock with top 40 hip hop. That's it really, nothing much else about this album besides a few great tracks.

>>42187803

You've started this shit with "name one other bla bla", don't sue me now for bringing forth a really long list of albums that makes MBDTF blow their dicks.

MBDTF has really good production, but not even close to those masterpieces.
Not even close.

>>42187874
>i don't bother listening to lyrics if the production doesn't hook me

>>42187940
i've listened to probably 80% of those albums and i still like the production on MBDTF better

>>42187940
Shut the fuck up and stop acting like your opinion is fact. A lot of people consider those albums masterpieces, a lot of people consider MBDTF to a be a masterpiece.

I happen to fall into both categories.

>>42187999
>a lot of people consider MBDTF to a be a masterpiece.

who.. pitchfork? or the indie crowd that listen to 10 rap albums a year?

>>42187968
surprise surprise people want different things from music

to me, good production can make up for bad lyrics but good lyrics can't make up for bad production. as long as the production is good i can still at least put it on as background music

>>42187968
I think that is a pretty fair opinion.

Music with lyrics over sound is like a video game that values story over gameplay.

>>42188040
It is probably the most universally critically acclaimed album of the past decade. Pitchfork is one fucking review site out of many. The Source gave it 5 mics, along with all of the albums you laid out.

>>42188040
one of the highest metacritic scores in history and plenty of rap communities consider it a masterpiece or an essential

>>42187999

Where have I ever claimed this to be a fact? There are no objective facts in quality. I thought you were clever to deduct that so I won't have to post stupid shit like "In my opinion..." every second to third line.

>>42187786
I guess i have to respect your opinion cause youre an engineer, but im sorry the production isnt dark and twisted. dark and twisted is yeezus. mbdtf is all pretty and flat and I think the production made the album feel fake, when I was figuring kanye wanted to get real. I don't think all the tracks are bad, but I just hate Jeff bhasker type stuff, and those stupid drum machines he uses. The samples are great (most the time) but shit I just don't think all the songs are to the calliber of when someone says its got the best hip hop production ever

>>42188040
this is ignorant as fuck

you have no idea what you're saying

>>42188111
"I brought forth a long list of albums that makes MBDTF blow their dicks"

No, you just brought forth a list of albums you liked. Most of which aren't even fucking brilliant for their production but for many other reasons that your ignorant hip-hop ass wouldn't realize.

>>42188111
"in my opinion..." isn't stupid shit, it's an essential part of a discussion over opinions and is the difference between people looking at you like someone with a different opinion, or people looking at you like a smug douchebag that assumes every opinion he holds is the "correct" one

seriously learn how to communicate with other human beings

>>42188088
>>42188097
>>42188128
whiteys mad

This record is shweet dude.

>>42188072
Maybe to some extent, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't ignore the lyrics completely.
MBDTF has some great lyrics.
Sure there are some corny lines on Monster for instance, but that's obviously the point/intentional.
I always loved the theme and emotions going through that album, and it seems like it goes over the heads of everyone who posts a thread like this (saying that they listened to MBDTF but didn't like it)
or, maybe it didn't and they just didn't like the album which is fine.

But honestly, whenever I see those people give their reasoning's for not liking it, they don't come across as good excuses/reasons.
I mean (like I said before) one guy a week ago made a whole thread on why he didn't like the album... where he only paid attention to the production, and he listened to it on Grooveshark w/ shitty earbuds and kept using the word "lifeless" to describe the album. Gee, I wonder why.

This here:
>>42188126
is a good example of a good opinion that I can believe and respect.
Not "oh, the album was lifeless and boring because I essentially listened to it as background noise on my $10 earbuds"

>>42188182

>No, you just brought forth a list of albums you liked.

I considerately focused on production only while creating this list.

>>42188196

Why should I even bother? Everything we post here is a mere expression of our subjective values.
Stop behaving like a pansy little girl that cries over her feelings being hurt by mean strangers in an internet discussion.

>>42187731
oh so youre a bacpacker

Nobody cares about your opinion, and they shouldnt. because you're literally setting culture back

>>42188322
i was the one who said i value production over lyrics and MBDTF my second favorite album of all time because the production completely hooked me, and then i learned the lyrics and it all came together. it's brilliant but i wouldn't have ever paid attention to lyrics if the production wasn't so fucking amazing on every single track.

>>42188325
I really REALLY doubt that.

Nobody would argue illmatic or low end theory as two of the greatest feats in production. They are two of my favorite rap albums, but for many other reasons. (Songwriting, lyricism, flow, storytelling)

>>42187158
It is. "Whodllyegatcha" (what the actually sound of the sample portrays) is a lot more "Who gotcha" than "reaction".

>>42188381
That's great to hear :)

it's pretty damn obvious that rick ross and nicki didn't write their own verses on mbdtf

>>42188325
you are way too autistic to have a normal discussion with

>>42188421
Its pretty damn obvious that Kanye didn't either.

He is now mediocre producer who is known for taking underground sounds to the mainstream, then gets the credit for inventing an entirely new genre. He's egotistical, and gets upset/throws a tantrum when people don't give him what he wants. His music videos are beyond terrible, to the point where's it's entirely laughable

His lyrics now are shit.

>b-but they're supposed to be bad anon

Purposefully making your lyrics cringe-worthy and having lil-wayne tier punchlines doesn't make them good in any sense. It just makes them half-assed and really agonizing to listen to. At least with other noise-hop artists, they stay on topic for an entire song, where every song on yeezus bounced all over the place. It was more of a freestyle and it was a focused album.

His earlier shit is god tier, but right after Graduation, it went downhill fast. On Late Regristration, Drop Out and Graduation, all the songs sounded great, the lyrics were clever and a bit more pronounced and memorable, whereas now, it's just his beats that keeps him going. He's no better than any other mainstream artist when it comes to relying on beats.

Kanye went downhill way too fast, claiming the rebel flag was his, trying to design leather jogging pants, marrying Kim Kardashian? We all know he married her for her looks. This is the same woman who sympathized with a cancer-patient, and compared cancer to her third marriage which only lasted three weeks.

>>42188407
>Nobody would argue illmatic or low end theory as two of the greatest feats in production
Right, this is what i mean about stripping it back. Illmatic is stripped back so the rapping can take centre stage because Nas is so good at it. Whereas Kanye makes up for his lack of rapping skill with production. I understand this and agree with it but he goes so overboard on MBDTF.

>>42188421
>never heard of Nicki
>she kills it hard on that verse
>excited for future things
>every single thing she has done since has been utter garbage
>except maybe the Ass remix

>>42188464
really

>>42188464
I agree with everything you say except for Graduation being good. I dislike that album.

>>42188464

>>42188464
lmao dude, who are you trying to impress

>>42188464
>missing the point this much

>>42188407

Not the guy you're arguing with but:

Illmatic is a perfect example of genius production because it doesn't override his excellent rapping. Sometimes, a little less is way more.

And LET isn't just about lyricism and flow either, the production so smooth and jazzy while still feeling fresh, so on the point that it feels they're getting better and better with every listen.

>>42188464
k

>>42188464
oh you
so new in the world

>>42188464
*nods trilby

>>42188040
I do and 2/3rds of what I listen to is hip-hop.

It's a pop album that is more musically capable than other pop albums. That being said, its ultimate appeal is still rooted in its immediate pop accessibility. People use the album's superior musicality (only superior to mainstream pop albums, remember) as an excuse for it being "a masterpiece", when really it is still a mediocre album compared to finer music.

Good by hip hop standards, but that obviously isn't saying much.

>>42188715
>Good by hip hop standards, but that obviously isn't saying much
WOW

>>42188715
>superior musicality

>>42188715
>good by hip-hop standards, but that obviously isn't saying much

>>42188715
that last line ruined any credibility you may have had

>>42188464

>He's no better than any other mainstream artist when it comes to relying on beats.

1. Even if he did rely solely on beats he would still be leagues ahead of literally every other musician on the radio and

2. He doesn't only rely on beats, his lyrics can definitely get corny and he's not super fast like Em or something but his ferocity and raw passion on Yeezus was great, as was his heart and soulfulness on his earlier stuff.

>>42187731

>The Chronic, Illmatic and Liquid Swords
>good production

topkek

MBDTF isn't quite as good as it's made out to be but it's still really fucking good

>>42188715
newtrip plz go

>>42186684
Killin yall niggas on that lyrical shit, mayonnaise colored benz I push miracle whips

>>42186979
>knock madness
comparing hopsin to kanye haha

>>42186684
>Kanye has never shown he can be great lyrically

http://rapgenius.com/Kanye-west-all-falls-down-lyrics

http://rapgenius.com/Kanye-west-jesus-walks-lyrics

http://rapgenius.com/Kanye-west-family-business-lyrics

http://rapgenius.com/Kanye-west-heard-em-say-lyrics

http://rapgenius.com/Kanye-west-roses-lyrics

http://rapgenius.com/Kanye-west-addiction-lyrics

http://rapgenius.com/Kanye-west-hey-mama-lyrics

http://rapgenius.com/Kanye-west-gone-lyrics

http://rapgenius.com/Kanye-west-diamonds-from-sierra-leone-lyrics

http://rapgenius.com/Kanye-west-cant-tell-me-nothing-lyrics

http://rapgenius.com/Kanye-west-flashing-lights-lyrics

http://rapgenius.com/Kanye-west-everything-i-am-lyrics

http://rapgenius.com/Kanye-west-welcome-to-heartbreak-lyrics

http://rapgenius.com/Kanye-west-street-lights-lyrics

http://rapgenius.com/Kanye-west-bad-news-lyrics

http://rapgenius.com/Kanye-west-gorgeous-lyrics

http://rapgenius.com/Kanye-west-power-lyrics

http://rapgenius.com/Kanye-west-devil-in-a-new-dress-lyrics

http://rapgenius.com/Kanye-west-lost-in-the-world-lyrics

http://rapgenius.com/Kanye-west-i-am-a-god-lyrics
>inb4 b-but "hurry up with my damn croissants" a-anon!

http://rapgenius.com/Kanye-west-new-slaves-lyrics

http://rapgenius.com/Kanye-west-blood-on-the-leaves-lyrics

>>42189448
i agree with you but what makes those lyrics great is the accompanying production that paints a perfect picture to go along with those lyrics

>>42189448
>confirmed bad taste and confirmed idiot for taking the time to post all these

>>42189542
>most critically acclaimed musician in the last decade
>people who like him have bad taste

oh

>>42189510
Exactly.
Kanye isn't like MF Doom where he can just go all out, but the thing is that he isn't that type of rapper.
But to say that Kanye has never shown that he can be lyrically great is one of the most ridiculous and ignorant things I've ever heard.
Unless you have a high, pretentious taste where you need your rapper to rap 100 words per 10 second with literally every word rhyming
>>42189542
>confirmed for pretentious cunt who thinks all Hip-Hop needs to be on the highest lyrical scale possible otherwise not being good
Stop embarrassing yourself now.

>>42186491
that sample is great dude

>>42189589
citation needed on that, and you can't cite Kanye saying how great he is

>>42189776
http://www.metacritic.com/person/kanye-west

>>42186491
>didn't have depth
>seriously devoid
>forced
>middle of the road

define all of these.

>>42189814
>tfw his lowest score is 66, and a live album which was actually REALLY good
>tfw asides from that it's 808s which is a largely misunderstood masterpiece

>>42189776
last 3 paragraphs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanye_West#Legacy_and_influence

>>42189644
ᴱᶰʲᵒʸ ʰᵃᵛᶦᶰᵍ ᵇᵃᵈ ᵗᵃˢᵗᵉ ᵃᶰᵈ ᵇᵉᶦᶰᵍ ᵃᶰ ᶦᵈᶦᵒᵗ⋅

>>42189928
Could you name your top 5 or 10 favourite albums? I'm curious.

>>42189589
>>42189814
>>42189904

The fact that so many books still name Kanye West "the greatest or most significant or most influential" hip hop artist ever only tells you how far hip hop music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Hip Hop critics are still blinded by commercial success: Kanye West sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Hip Hop critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that Kanye West did anything worth of being saved.

>>42190112
truly an epic twist on a classic copypasta

>>42190112
10/10

>>42190112

>>42190112
Wow, I just realized how idiotic that sounds when you switch it around with Kanye.

>>42190112

>tfw I didn't even realize that was copypasta at first
>tfw I almost took the bait and accused you of being one of those "born in the wrong generation" 90s/2000s kids

>>42190397
But that sounds way too smart for a "born in the wrong generation" kid

>>42189897
>808s which is a largely misunderstood masterpiece

My nigger

>>42190660
<3 respect+

>>42190112

>Hip Hop critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that Kanye West did anything worth of being saved.

This is so horribly untrue it hurts.

I don't claim to be some hip-hop buff but I highly doubt that most professional critics would listen exclusively to popular modern hip-hop. I would bet that the guy on P4K who gave Yeezus a 9.5 probably knows plenty about classical and jazz and all that shit. You can't label them as ignorant drones just because you disagree with them or don't understand them.

I would assume that there are certain extreme standards that real music critics have to adhere to to even be remotely respected.

Also people will remember Kanye like they remember The Beatles, mark my words.

>>42190751
>I would assume that there are certain extreme standards that real music critics have to adhere to to even be remotely respected.

except there totally aren't

>>42190751
>responding to a copypasta

>>42190751
>people will remember Kanye like they remember The Beatles
this point highlights something REALLY annoying about kanye fanboys. they can't just think he makes very good music, they have to actually buy into his "i am a god" bullshit

Watching people argue the merits of Kanye West's work is like watching people defend the quality of a Big Mac.

>>42191167
By posting that you're actually no better than the people you're making fun of.

>>42191109

I never said I bought into his "I am a God" thing, that's relatively new anyways, I mean who knows he might do another 808s and have it still be good, he's like Lil B except he's actually good, he keeps proving that he's capable of pretty much anything within any range of the hip-hop spectrum that he himself helped broaden dramatically, and that is why people will remember him.

Yeezus is just the most recent stop on the ride that is Kanye's lucrative career, it's foolish to interpret his potential legacy based solely on that album, especially since it's so new.

Semi related: What happened to the original version of Love Lockdown?

>>42191346
I'm not specifically referring to I Am a God as the song, but more just the general belief that Kanye is somehow above everyone else in music and is infallible, basically acting like he is some sort of special golden god. NOT literally, just figuratively.

He's made several fantastic albums but not everything he does is amazing. 808s is actually below average, and Yeezus is mediocre (yet interesting.) Also, there are many instances of fantastic lyrics throughout his career but the vast majority of his lyrics on Yeezus are, I feel, undeniably underdeveloped and crude.

>>42191167
Watching people sneer at anyone taking Kanye seriously is like watching computer nerds sneering at Mac with no real reasons for disliking it.

But a lot worse.

>>42191543
how can a below average album spawn an entire genre of sad-hop that went super-mainstream

>>42191543

I knew what the guy meant, and I'm gonna have to strongly disagree with the second part of your post, IMO Graduation is the only remotely weak album Ye has put out (not counting Watch The Throne obviously).

808s is incredibly underrated, if it came out now I think it would have been liked a lot more because people would have given it more of a chance.

>>42191543
anyone who dislikes kanye should watch his interviews, he talks bullshit 90% of the time but when you find that 10% glimpse into the real Yeezy

hell, the other day he said "I don't think I'm perfect" and says that he thinks he can improve as a person and has things to work on and he said that with the $120 he designed he wasn't allowed to set the price

>"but kanye you designed it"
>"EXACTLY DO YOU SEE WHY I'M SO FRUSTRATED NOW"

>>42191637
LOL. You seriously think just because something is influential that automatically means it's good? Well, I guess it's nice to sort of get a small look at the logic inside the brain of a kanye dickrider. And is the fact that it went "super-mainstream" seriously supposed to be SUPPORTING your view that 808s isn't a below average album? I'm starting to think this is a troll but your post feels too genuine.

>>42191670
Disagree, always have felt 808s to be pretty lifeless. A lot of the songs feel like bland pop to me. Not all of them, though. I like Say You Will and Coldest Winter a lot. Graduation on the other hand I feel is felt with infectious hooks and songwriting.

Anyway I would definitely consider Yeezus to be "weak," especially if we're just talking about by Kanye's standards.

>>42191670
honestly the only reason graduation is considered weak is because of drunk and hot girls and barry bonds

if anyone else made an album with only two songs people don't like it'd be considered really, really good

good morning is one of my favorite ye songs, that elton john sample just resonates so heavily with me

>>42191736
>when you find that 10% glimpse into the real Yeezy it's fascinating*

>>42191736
I have nothing against kanye, I think he's awesome, it's his fans who think he's perfect that annoy me

>>42188464
>known for taking underground sounds to the mainstream, then gets the credit for inventing an entirely new genre
>yfw Kanye is the Beatles of this generation

>>42191748
>implying bad albums can be influential

you're reaching, people aren't inspired by bad shit

>>42191825
rip in peace btrl

>>42191836
you seem to be operating on the assumption that just because something has mainstream popularity that means it is objectively good. Now I know this is an easy way to get called a hipster like a million times but in MY opinion the vast majority of widely popular music is below average compared to the rest of music as a whole.

also, 808s looks influential now on a superficial level because it's inspired other types of popular music, but popular music is always trend and fad-based, we'll see how much we can feel its influence in 5 years. I mean, fuck, it's already obviously fading.

>>42191791

I really fucking love Kanye but outside of /mu/ I wouldn't say I'm a dickrider, I talk with a friend about hip-hop a lot and surprisingly Ye doesn't get brought up a lot. He's more into the older stuff and then fucking Eminem. He doesn't go on /mu/ either, I mean I'm not a true patrician but he's much more of a pleb than I am, he hasn't heard of a lot of rappers that are commonly discussed here, but it doesn't bother me too much, he's a good guy.

He never said he didn't like Kanye but my point is that I don't bring him up in every single discussion we have about rap or music in general.

>>42191958
kanye is generally disliked in public, pretty much all of his dickriders are dudes you'll find online. anyway even if you aren't one of them I still find them annoying. and I assume you are the person who posted
>people will remember Kanye like they remember The Beatles
THIS is really reeaaalllly fucking stupid and absolutely a dickrider thing to say. The public will remember kanye for the taylor swift shit at the vmas, not for his music. Not by a longshot.

>>42192041
Most people are neutral towards him and enjoy his music and nothing more I've found. But once you start talking to people who are more "into" music he's usually a pretty divisive artist

>>42191920

>I mean, fuck, it's already obviously fading.

The people 808s inspired, prime example being Drake (whether you hate him or not), are far from fading.

You could also argue that people like Macklemore were inspired by the more emotional, "lighter" approach to "hip-hop" on 808s.

In other ways, Kanye has challenged long-standing conventions and stereotypes of hip-hop with a lot of what he's done, yes he's arrogant but he took it away from that "hardcore gangsta" style that was so common for such a long time.

>>42192041

>The public will remember kanye for the taylor swift shit at the vmas, not for his music

And that's sad, but that's a reflection of American youth and culture, not the quality of Kanye's actual music. I suppose it was unfair to compare Kanye to The Beatles, especially since I know jack shit about The Beatles other than that 90s kids think they "invented music", but I believe that people who really enjoy music and aren't shallow fucks who just listen to the top 40 will remember what Kanye did as a musician.

Honestly, the Beatles comparison doesn't seem that off to me, How many other artists are both as simultaneously critically acclaimed and famous as them? Let's Dance era Bowie?

>>42192234
I agree completely. But my point was that The Beatles are remembered fondly in the most main of the stream, and that's a kind of recognition that Kanye will NEVER receive. I do agree that people who are into music will remember him for what he really did though.

>>42192121
i am a kanye fan but i disagree wholeheartedly, most people that aren't music fans HATE kanye

>>42192234
>I don't really know anything about The Beatles
>but I'm sure Kanye is like them

>>42192432
All the real music fans I know think Kanye is a joke.

>>42187054
lel Blueprint was mostly produced by Kanye

>>42193250
>>42192432
i know both these types of people. shocking isnt it

>>42194572
No because he is a joke.

Kanye is shit

>>42186556
Ignoring how much of an idiot of you, I agree. I always skip that shit, and most the time I'd rather slit my wrists than skip anything on an album.