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name a rock album better than liquid swords or the low end theory

OP is correct.

It is true, but people can't accept it without resorting to racist shaming. For some reason people can't fathom that one genre can be genuinely worse than another...Its like saying FPS is totally equal to action adventure

My problem is the rather strange adherence to this very narrow subject matter which dominates and ultimately defines hip hop.
It's a joke that all hip hop is about bitches, money, drugs and ego, and yet that's what everyone keeps making.

>>41358160
>mfw listening to low end theory for this first time while reading this

>>41358521
stop posting

Hip-Hop is still a young genre

>>41358688
no. you stop instead.

>>41358286
You're on 4chan, most of the time it IS racism.

I don't think you can compare the two. People listen to rock for the music and rap for the lyrics. It's like comparing prose to poetry.

it's not really worth mentioning. hip hop artists know that they are hacks, they don't care

Hip Hop does seem far more limited and those involved far less inclined to branch out and experiment either lyrically or musically than other genres. It seems as if they just keep producing stuff very tightly to a set formula. But if thats what sells, who can blame them?

I think rock music is boring

I much prefer hip-hop, IDM, grime, and such

Hip-hop is primitive as fuck like niggers in general.

You're not a racist, just a rockist.

>>41358761
Post Rock is a younger genre.
Yet, the best of hip-hap isnt even close to the best of post-rock

>thinking genres can be "inferior" to others

What real music fan thinks like this?

>>41359126
one who's trying to troll /mu/

>>41358997
see it's funny because racism is a primitive concept

>>41357956
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>exclusively listen to restrictive, rehashed rap themes
>complain

How about you expand your p4k fed rap taste.

>>41359069
you know nothing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_ffbYLkiE8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obSq2L9lLEE

>>41358521
I know! I hate how EVERY rapper from KRS to MF DOOM to Outkast to Ye has rapped exclusively about those four topics. And there has never EVER been a hip-hop album that could be taken for anything more than surface level. Hip-hop just hasn't been innovated at all, and to make matters worse, it doesn't seem like any artists today are even interested in innovation! Only plebs listen to this shallow garbage; true patricians like us listen to music white people created: rock n' roll!

>>41359069

>>41359184
>see it's funny because racism is a primitive concept

One with much coherence.

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>>41358521

get out of here's

>>41358937
>tfw hip-hop will never have artists as innovative as Pearl Jam or Led Zeppelin

>>41359069
considering how fucking rudimentary your musical taste and knowledge are, and how so much of the stuff you like is indulgent bullshit, you have zero authority to speak on any music-related topic.

>>41358937

>implying hip-hop is not the current most exciting genre in terms of innovation and experimentation

>implying rock music has been interesting in the least since second wave post-rock

>>41359069

>>41357956

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>>41358877
> People listen to rock for the music and rap for the lyrics.

Hip hop, musically, is pretty limited. You can only do so much with it without it becoming...well, not hip hop.

Not only that the scene is really opposed to innovation in general. As much as /mu/ loves shit like Clipping or Death Grips, the mainstream hip hop world doesn't even acknowledge it anymore then it has to.

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>all these buttmadd memerap fans

Let's scour among the number of Xgau A pluses, p4k tens, and Scaruffi 9's and see how many rap albums there are, as compared to rock, and its sub genres.

Have fun with your objectively inferior genre ;^)

>>41358877
>rap for the lyrics
>NIGGAZ BITCHEZ WEED MONEY
>BITCHEZ CAN SUCC MUH DICC NIGGA
>IMMA KING OF DA GAME EVERYBODY CAN SUCC MUH DICK
are you serious?

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>>41359742
gr8 b8 m8 i r8 it 8/8

>>41359738
>>41359738

>>41359760
but that's true. yes, there are rappers who rapping in more intelligent way. but they are still in minority.

>>41360046
ugh

>>41358521
>generalisations

>>41359738
/thread

>>41359742
yes

Hip hop lyrics are generally more straight-forward while rock lyrics are more vague.

People can relate to rap lyrics more than, say, a Led Zeppelin song because rap is about real issues, like death or leaving behind a bad life.

But, I dont want to take away from rock lyrics. I just think they're too complex for people to understand.

>>41360646
>people listen to rap for the lyrics
>Led Zeppelin lyrics too complex for people to understand

I'm having a terribly hard time understanding where you're coming from.

i was just listening to this huh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ourDnKp6x14

My problem with hip hop has to do more with its music than lyrics. Musically, it just often feels so limited. When I listen to music like Biggie, or Wu, or OutKast, I can admire the production, the talent, but they just don't seem to do much interesting with their songs. The beats are repetitious simply because that's what hip hop usually demands. They just don't do enough interesting or emotional things with their songs.

Even an album like Black-Up, considered by many to be very experimental, I find hardly experimental at all. It sounds, well, too hip hop.

>>41357956
i used to have the same opinion of you but then i realized that the "classic" hip-hop albums are also awful
overall, nigs gonna nig

>>41360914
That's why I like the Beastie Boys, especially Hello Nasty and Hot Sauce Committee Pt. II. Vaguely artsy funky shit mixed up with the hip-hop.

Also The Mix-Up. But the Beastie Boys have the advantage of being practiced musicians outside of rapping and production. I think that's a big part of their sound being broader.

>>41357956
Firstly, better or worse is subjective.

But let's pretend like we're not that fucking trivial for a second.

It depends on the album imo.

Anything with self absored asshats talking about how great they are is usually shit rap. But not all of it.

If you were to ask me if Ghostface Killah's Fishscale was better than most...say IDM or ambient albums. I'd say fuck... Well one sampling doesn't require much skill, hell now a days you can make ringtones with apps.. So no sampling isn't big shit compared to designing sound.

But then again Ghostface on his own is a master at his craft.

Now, take the example I used (idm,ambient) and put it up against a piece of shit like Solja Boy or Pusha-T. Clearly... We know the answer...

Of course denial is also pretty popular.

There's a serious trend in hip hop to put out an album with like three good tracks and then an hour of filler.

>>41360914
Have you checked out Beastie Boys, Digable Planets, DJ Quik and The Roots (live)? Live instrumentation in Hip-Hop can make pretty interesting results.

>>41357956
I've grown up listening to rap, and I do have my favorites, but I think hip-hop and rap as a genre is way to immature and haphazard to compare to other genres. It hasn't quite gotten the artistic depth other genres have had for decades now.

>>41359257
>white people created rock 'n' roll

top lel

>>41361111

I think the problem is that most acclaimed and classic hip hop albums, IMO, aren't that good. For some reason the hip hop community has agreed with makes hip hop "objectively" good. I find albums like Doe or Die, Midnaught Marauders, AmeriKKKas Most Wanted, unbelievable fucking boring.

Musically, Straight Outta Compton still sounds like one of the most accomplished in the genre. Almost every track has lots of different things going on that are emotionally evocative. Strangely, more boring albums like 36 Chambers or Illmatic have taken precedence because they more fit the mold. Even later albums from NWA members like Chronic or AmeriKKK (or Death Certificate or Predator...) dont hold a candle to it IMO.

>>41360646
If rock lyrics are too hard for people to understand then I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

95% of rock lyrics are extremely easy to figure out and not very complex.

This coming from someone who listens to rock and it's sub-genres pretty much exclusively

>>41359069
filtered

>>41361211
That was obvious bait, retard

>>41359381

>pearl jam
>innovative

I've never read a more cringe worthy sentence in all of my time in 4chan


>>41360646

>led zeppelin lyrics
>complex

What? Nas lyrics in illmatic are far more complex than any LZ lyric.
Listen OP, hip-hop isnt niggas, weed, pussy and money. Thats mainstream hip-hop culture. The same way mainstream rock culture is equally superficial. However, hip-hop and rap are genres highly attached to their culture. The same way early rock was attached to its "bad black boy" culture too. It takes time for a genre to grow out of its roots. Rock did it in the 60's and hip hop has been doing it since the late 90's. For example, kanye west has been the first mainstream example of a rapper rapping about non-traditional rap themes. Nowadays we have an array of alternative rap artist like Busdriver and Acerlyone and experimental groups like Death Grips and Shabazz Palaces and nerdcore artist like Milo and N.E.R.D. The classics are classics because they cemented or exemplefied aspects of hip-hop culture, so it shouldnt come as a surprise that they sound like what you would expect from rap. To say hip-hop is all Lil' Wayne and Gucci Mane is exactly the same as saying that all rock is Coldplay and Likin Park. And all the people itt saying "hip hop artist reject experimentation" are tremendelously bias. Of course mainstream rap artist reject experimentation, they want to sell; the same way you're not gonna here Paul McCartney play death metal, he wants to sell.

>>41361391

Non-mainstream rap also rejects experimentation.

Hell I feel like its the other way around. The mainstream and popular in hip hop is what tends to innovate; its the stout traditionalists that tend to remain unpopular. The recent "cloud rap" trend that emerged in the past few years is something that "real hip hop" heads found absurd because of its non lyrical focus.

Hip-Hop was designed to appease the lowest denominator low income minorities.

Then white kiddies like >>41361391 came along and blew interpretations out of their ass, and now it's a cash cow for the Urban Outfitters crowd.

It's been like this since at least 2001.

>>41361391
>giving a well thought out response to a troll thread

Regardless, you're a cool dude. What do you think about stuff like cLOUDDEAD and Dalek?

>>41359738
Christgau thinks Dolly Parton's Greatest Hits is an A+, so that pretty much shows how much you can trust his opinions

>>41361286

>Strangely, more boring albums like 36 Chambers or Illmatic have taken precedence because they more fit the mold.

What? 36 chambers is the hip-hop equivalent of Velvet underground & nico. Its not boring, its lo-fi, dungeon-"y" and grimy. Also, at the time, they were hugely experimental.

>nwa over wu

This is the problem. People want easy listening when it comes to rap and this is why people dont experiment. If someone finds wu, doe or die, and illmatic boring why would any rapper ever try being challeging at all.

>>41361491

Dalek has been a favorite of mibe since 2004.
I found cLOUDDEAD at tad overrated, but personally i like it.

hip hop is shit

>>41361459

>"real hip hop" heads found absurd because of its non lyrical focus.

Thats a small portion of the rap community tho. The problem is that rap is still very much attach to its roots. Experimentation is usually worrysome for every genre. When TMR came out "real rockers" called it shit. When shape of jazz to come came out "real jazz enthusiast" were critical about it. Every genre purist has a problem with innivation and experimentation.

>>41361391
/Thread

People always say the 90s are the supreme best for hip hop, but that never made sense to me. The hip hop albums in the late 80s (It takes a nation, straight outta compton, 3 feet high, paul's botique) were far more interesting musically and unique than the rather dry, repetitive albums of the 90s like the infamous, illmatic, ready to die...

Really I would say the late 80s are the best hip hop has been. Also in terms of message. I feel like with the Chronic, Dre kind of distorted black pride into a sense of nihilism. Where drug/criminal activity was celebrated as being "real" instead of the measured optimism of the artists in the 80s

>>41361823
But Straight outta Compton was way more extreme then The Chronic. The N.W.A was famous for being hardcore gangster rappers

>>41361908

I get that, it was only one example I used though.

Straight Outta Compton is still Dre's best effort in musical terms by far IMO.

>>41361823

That's because you're focusing on West Coast hip-hop in the 90's. West Coast hip hop has always been boring and lame.

The 90's heralded The Wu-Tang Clan for instance, which is still my favorite hip hop debut of all time!

>>41361987

>infamous
>illmatic
>ready to die

>west coast

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6haE-gmZOc

future of rap. dont say I didnt warn you

>>41361823

>The hip hop albums in the late 80s (It takes a nation, straight outta compton, 3 feet high, paul's botique) were far more interesting musically and unique than the rather dry, repetitive albums of the 90s like the infamous, illmatic, ready to die...

This one sentence completely sumerizes /mu/'s problem with hip-hop. Whenever rappers try to follow in the footsteps of thier its jazz predecessors by applying subtlety and an emphasize on technical ability, /mu/'s drones of rock and metal fans, unfamiliar with both concepts, reject it. And when a rapper takes a more direct, aesthetically pleasing direction, /mu/ falls head over heels (ie. death grips, kanye west).

I love how rock fans would say rap is shit for it's content. Don't get me wrong, I like to listen to Nirvana, Queen, and the White Strip, but rock does have stereotypical content.

>I praise Lucifer! Hail the dark lord!
>I cut myself! Suicide is the key out of this hell called life.
>I drink my bud wieser all night. Score up some big breast blonde girls. Great Georgia!
>Ride on my dick, girl! Aint no stopping me!
>RRRAAAAAHHHHHHHIMSCREAMINGLIKEAMOTHERFUCKERWHHHHHHYYYYYYY?

>>41362151

I can't tell if you agree with the quoted statement or not.

>>41362180

I disagree. I used your statement because it exemplified what, i believe, is /mu/'s primary problem with rap.

>>41362151

But /mu/ totally slobbers over artists like wu-tang and biggie

I'd argue you have it backwards. The albums in the 90s that were discussed, are much less subtle with inferior technique. Only RZA, really, had exquisite production especially on Liquid Swords. But an album like It Takes a Nation or De La Soul efforts are much more sophisticated than an album like the Infamous or Reasonable Doubt.

Its the "real" hip hop fans that are actually the most likely to praise Wu and Nas and Tribe and think the hip hop of the past is outdated. Your problem is with hip hop fans, not rock fans.

i wouldnt even consider clouddead hip hop, really.

>>41362356

>But /mu/ totally slobbers over artists like wu-tang and biggie

Most of wu-tang and 90's classic thread are filled with /mu/tants bashing on them.

>I'd argue you have it backwards. The albums in the 90s that were discussed, are much less subtle with inferior technique. Only RZA, really, had exquisite production especially on Liquid Swords. But an album like It Takes a Nation or De La Soul efforts are much more sophisticated than an album like the Infamous or Reasonable Doubt.

But other producers from the 90's like DJ premier, Pete Rock, Easy Mo Bee were great producers following the premise of jazz scat subtlety while 90's rappers were like solo bebopers, by far the most technical superior between them and te 80's rappers.

>Its the "real" hip hop fans that are actually the most likely to praise Wu and Nas and Tribe and think the hip hop of the past is outdated. Your problem is with hip hop fans, not rock fans.

I belive the problem is that "real hip hop" fans are still stuck on lyrical technicality and have put the beat in a subservient position. Rocker do the opposite to an extreme. They completely forget the lyrical proficiency of a rapper for the sake of funky beats.

>>41362151
>>41362356
>>41362518

I think the conclusion is that most /mu/tants are retarded.

I like hop hop but I think it tends to get too much respect, as if to show their open mindedness.

idk
i think the masterpieces of rock are better than the masterpieces of hiphop

generally speaking though I find hiphop to have way more good artists than rock

I have no problem with it, it's just not for me. I think the emphasis on rapping often just bores me.

>>41358160
pet sounds

>>41361553
>Not liking Dolly Parton
>Underestimating Christgau

Please go back to /r/hiphopheads, you disgusting transplant