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scruffy is less relevant than pitchfork
why do i care?

i never even heard it yet

don't even like kanye that much

i think it might actually be too deep for him

so why aren't you all reading
THE ROAD TO REALITY (Oxford University Press, 2004)
the book that constantly humiliated piero

I always disliked it, and I thought that Piero's review was spot on.

Interestingly enough, the two tracks i liked the most, Bound 2 and New Slaves, were his least favorite. Odd.

His decision to list cLOUDDEAD as one of the most influential hip-hop albums pretty much discredits his opinions on hip-hop.

>oh no an out of touch old man has given a thing a low score

>>41331073
Because that book isn't a comprehensive way to learn theoretical physics at all.

>>41331887
unless i'm missing something, that's a selection for his best albums of hip-hop and there is a difference between best and influential

>>41330940
I still love it. It's worn off me enough that it probably won't make my top 10 at the end of the year now, but it was a memorable enough summer jam that i just can't deny.

>>41331887
that he thinks trout mask replica is the best rock album (not even a 10) and that the beatles are not in the top 300 bands of all time discredits his opinion on music

any thread about scaruffi is shitposting please cut it out

>>41331987

Oh no, a Kanye dickrider and his aching arse!

he should change his name to patricia

>>41332192
>"W-why won't you change your opinion on a hip hop album to match that of an old Italian man like I am..."

>>41330940

Why its a just the opinion of some some random dude you hates anything with any modern electronic influences

>>41332177
>in the top 300 bands of all time
has he made that list?

He's pretty complimentary about the beatles at times. Naming some of them in best musicians/vocalists lists and in a review of the smiths likened them to the beatles in a positive way

>>41330940

Peope already pretend like they dont like it bc P4k gave it 9.5

>>41332234
>No, I did not forget these ones:

> Beatles
> Beach Boys

>I just think there are a few hundreds that I should list if I list these two, and I don't have time to list them all.

So maybe it was a little cocky of me to throw out an exact number (he had listed about fifty or sixty others) but god just look at that condescending tone.

>>41332207
>fake stuttering

That is the stupidest shit

>>41332393
don't be mean maybe he has a typing impediment

>>41332393
I h-have a stutter in my left hand you jerk

>>41332207
>change
Xex. Yeezus is a superbly produced shit album, everyone who isn't on constant Kanye's sperm diet didn't have to change anything about their opinion. Scruffles just stated an objective truth.

>>41332217
>hates anything with any modern electronic influences
Wut? Do you even Scruffy? Lack of originality is the only thing he hates.

>>41332393
personally i find it kawaii. just my opinon

>>41332393
>having bad taste in memes

t-this is the worst of all 4chan offenses

>>41330940
URL to the website of that review guy called scruffy?

But OP, I never licked Yeezus though. I'd rate it a 5/10 highest.

>>41332525
http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/usa08.html#usa1108c

>>41332567
>spoonfeeding faggots

get the fuck out

>>41330978
>pitchfork
>relevancy greater than 0 in any point of space-time continuum
you know the drill..

>>41332592
spoonfeeding as another word for educating reveals you to be a fascist of the worst variety

>>41332660
>hurr durr im 2 dumb 2 le google stuffs

>>41332677
so i'm saving a fellow anon the time for a google?

truly i'm 4chan's foulest nemesis

>>41332560

>I never licked Yeezus
>licked

Worry not, the amounts of Kanye's nutsackcuddlers are doing it without your help.

>people still care about that retarded pedo
top plens

>>41332720

>>41332592
>>>/a/ and stay >>>/a/

>tfw you considered it a 4.8/10 from day one

Gave it 3 listens and everything, but shit sucked, man. Haven't touched it since the day after it leaked.

>>41332738
>implying Scaruffi's list of best rock albums isn't a good starting point for 98% of /mu/tants

>>41332895
>implying rock is art

>>41332925
where did i imply that?
but yes, it is art in some cases

>>41332925
>implying anything made by man is not art

>>41332925

>implying it wouldn't be if so many critics didn't still name The Beatles the greatest or most important band in the genre

Ok so scruffy's opinion only counts when it coincides with hour's. Nice double standards /mu/.

>>41333149
that's the way opinions have worked for all times

>>41333149
Your's

>>41333149

>with hour's
>with hour's
>with hour's

Alright, what did you just do? I'd love to know.

>based scruffy at it again
this is the hero /mu/ deserves. newcomers should start with scaruffi-core before posting

I'm not pretending that album has ranged from a 5/10 to a 6/10 from release for me because i dont just listen to p4k rap and know that the album just did other people's ideas poorly

>>41333222

double trips confirm it yo

>>41333222
>>41333233
>>41333288
>them repeatig digits
WOAH

>>41333339

You could have hexs. You could.

>>41333400
I like where this is going

>>41333222
>hundreds of 8s

starting with scarufficore never ends!

well he admits that Hold My Liquor and Blood on the leaves are bretty cool so thats good enough for me

consider checking mine

>>41333608
The best rating is 8.5, because everything he rates 9 or above is pretentious shit and everything rated 8 or below isn't special.

>>41333333

>>41333656
you could have had dub trips you fool

>>41333668
i get the feeling sometimes where the 8.5s are just straight up the most enjoyable albums of all the scarufficore

but then i listen to the good son again and i want to die forever so a 9 is justified

check my digits

>>41332177
that fact that the beatles etc.

>>41333222
not that bad an idea, actually. i can guarantee we would have a much better board if newcomers started with scarufficore rather than p4kore

>>41333747
>that mysterious airplane numerical sequence

>>41333608
>starting with scarufficore never ends!
that's the good thing

>>41333707
>8.5
Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables
Consumer Revolt
Bricolage
Millions Now Living
Downward Spiral
Perfect from now On
Underwater Moonlight
Surfer Rosa

So yeah things that are actually fun to listen to

>>41330940
>implying I ever agree with Piero "I liek to fuk 12 yr olds a/s/l pls respond" Scaruffles

Why do people care what is 70 year old Italian leather bag thinks?

>>41333707
the 7.5s and 8s tend to be my favorites
the 9s are wildly inconsistent imo, half are great and the other half just perplex me

>>41332393
Hi! Welcome to your fist day on 4chan's music board! How is everything going so far? Do you find yourself feeling welcomed? Do you like all of our epic memes? :o)

>>41333825
because he has better taste in music than you'll ever have

>>41333781
Scaruffi's taste as a whole is a great way of getting into music, since his database is really neat. A huge amount of works reviewed, often ignored albums along with all the classic ones, accessible and inaccessible stuff are both recommended... It has everything.

>>41333845

>>41333845
Why would anyone care about someone elses taste in music. Like what you like yo.

Yes, I know I'm a pleb. It's quite liberating to admit it.

>>41333833
which 9s don't you like, anon?

>>41333851
plus piero has very versatile taste, so going off of his recommendations is gonna give you a far more comprehensive understanding of music than something like pitchfork.

>>41332827

Oh my god such a credible opinion can you share more

>>41333873
>Why would anyone care about someone elses taste in music.
to care in excess about someone else's taste is stupid, yes. but nothing wrong with having a few favorite reviewers from which to get recs every now and then, tho. scaruffi as a whole seems to be considered amongst the good ones around here, and i can't help but agree.

>>41333878
Not him (but I agree with his statement), Yerself is Steam, Geek the Girl, Fare Forward Voyagers, and Desert Shore come to mind

>>41333608
he's not actually famous for giving out many good grades, his 8's mostly ARE essential
think about any other publication or music reviewing site: allmusic for example
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/michael-jackson-mn0000467203/discography
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/avril-lavigne-mn0000762885/discography
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/britney-spears-mn0000628467/discography
no offense, but i'm not sure 3 Michael Jackson albums are worth my time, much less my money, not to mention Britney...

>>41333878
its not that i dont like them, i think theyre fine albums, i just dont get why he loves them
uhh ill post a couple from his list

The Doors s/t
Morphine - good
Nico - desert shore
Van morrison - astral weeks
Tim buckley - lorca

I dont dislike these but I guess I lack whatever discerning faculty he has that elevates them to top 25 rock albums OAT

Did he rate anything else?

>>41333932
oh i know. i'm a long time piero reader. the statement was kind of tongue in cheek. (truly though i'm not done with all the 8s yet)

>>41333950
these are his most recent reviews:
http://www.scaruffi.com/cdreview/new.html

>>41333980

Lel, scruffy shares my opinion. One of the few people with the same patrician level as I.

>>41331280
Sure you did.

>>41330940
>caring about one guy's opinion like he's your music god
Holy shit /mu/ is dead

>>41332393
Y-you t-too...

>>41334022
but scaruffi IS the music god

>>41333233

>dont listen to p4k rap
>still letting p4k dictate your music taste

>>41333980
lmaoooo

>>41334022
>checkmate christians

The only thing I've ever disagreed with Scruffy on was m b v, but even I admit that I am biased towards it.

>>41334022
The Scaruffi fanboyism used to be way more intense, newpleb

>>41333908
exactly. also, he tends to be quite consistant. that is a huge problem with sites like pitchfork: you have so many different guys writing and mostly they do it under pressure (hype, having to satisfy a public, not enough time to think about it, etc) that the rating system is a mess. scruffy is one of the few guys who actually know how to give a score. his higher ones do mean something.
>>41333919
>>41333939
uh, i actually find some of those to deserve it, like Yerself, Fare Forward, or Desert Shore. But i guess we all have different tastes, and I respect yours :)
>>41333932
Allmusic became a mess this year. You can sense that something wrong is going on when Foxygen's We Are the 21st Century Ambassadors of Peace & Magic is considered a 9.

>>41333939
Most of those I agree with, but I gotta say I absolutely love Morphine's Good.

I don't know how to convince you to like it, but I love the consistency of its quality, the saxophone, and especially Sandman's voice. It's also memorable as fuck. I can listen to the album and 2 weeks later still be humming melodies from it.

>>41334072
that's kind of sad

>>41334086
>implying fanboyism of one person judging music is ever good

>>41333222
Seriously, he continues to impress me.

Truly the God-King of /mu/ and of music.

>>41334117
>Scaruffi will never invite you and a bunch of his other friends to do a mass Thinker pose

>>41334137
W-why, anon

>>41334168
didn't mean to quote you, but the pain of this thought was so immense that i couldn't think straight.

>>41334168
that is great

>he didn't get Bound 2

>>41334224
neither did i, can you explain

>>41334224
nice forehead reaction image

>>41334224
>something to get

do you guys think that if MBDTF has runaway as the closing track it would have been an 11/10?

>>41334168
>tfw scaruffi has more irl friends than you have facebook friends

>>41334233
I'm sorry, I don't have the energy to go through the whole thing but he's addressing the tension between his love of stirring shit up and his desire to settle down with kim, and he does it in a really interesting way imo

>>41334308
please try, I want to understand

>>41334266
no, Hell of a Life is very necessary after Runaway

>there are people on /mu/ RIGHT NOW who don't consider scaruffi the master patrician and don't take his word to be the absolute objective truth

>>41334117
No for sure its a cool album, I listened to it quite a bit when i first heard it, it justs seems idk, out of place? among all these wildly experimental albums

>mfw I have nothing to pretend because I've disliked the album since I first heard it
that being said, Piero's review is spot-on.

>>41334266
not really, but it sure as hell would have helped. Hell of a Life is nothing but filler in my opinion, and I also believe Blame Game goes for too long

>>41330978
>anyone's opinion other than your own
>every important at any point in history
lel

Is there some way to get a list of albums he rated, say 8, on his site?

>>41333939
>>41334117
the quality of Good in my opinion lies in its sparse arrangements(but not boring, or with overdone production like '70s Floyd), achieving much with with just 3 instruments, and discarding guitar but playing darkish, noir blues influenced rock and all that in 1992.. Good has unique and original atmosphere and sound. For some time i thought the album was from 1990, but it being from 2 years older is even greater achievement
definitely in my top 5 for that year

>>41334266
No, Lost in the World is the best thing Kanye has ever done.

>you will never be an elder god /mu/sic patrician like based scruffy

>>41330978
everything is less relevant than pitchfork faggot

>>41330940
HOLY SHIT I CALLED IT TO THE NUMBER

>>41334398
there used to be a RYM account that had all his ratings. it was suspended tho :'(

>>41332393
y-you too
:~(

>>41334398
there is a list of all albums rated 8 or higher
http://www.discogs.com/lists/Scarufficore/143437?page=1

>>41334398
sadly i don't believe there is. someone on rym compiled a list of his 8 and 8.5s though:
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/SellMeAGod/scaruffitize_me__capn__pt__2/

this may be missing a few here and there, but it's the best you're gonna get.

>>41334416
iktf bra. at least i have the rest of my life to try to achieve his level of patrician knowledge

>>41330940
i never did liked it lol

>>41334398
http://scaruffi.com/ratings/60.html
If you click on the Best of the XXXX's tabs on the top of the page the albums are sorted by rating

>Maybe this album was only meant as a self-mocking joke?
>Maybe this album was only meant as a self-mocking joke?
>Maybe this album was only meant as a self-mocking joke?
>Maybe this album was only meant as a self-mocking joke?
>Maybe this album was only meant as a self-mocking joke?

IT GOT A LOWER SCORE THAN CENTIPEDE HZ HOLY FUCK HAHAHA

>>41334516
thats not far from the truth though
its about his ridiculous ego isnt it? hence being titled yeezus. its like mbdtf except without the acceptance and resolution

Never liked Kanye West

>>41334516
This is the truth.

>>41334329
the death he refers to several times is the death of his exaggerated black persona, which he expresses through the character of Jerome from the TV show Martin.

>when a real nigga hold you down, you're supposed to drown
this sounds like a generic, violent sentiment but he's actually saying when someone "real" tries to get you to settle down, you're supposed to drown in love.

>Jesus Wept
The shortest verse in the Bible, contrasting the long-ass verses that he's getting tired of (one of the longest being on New Slaves), meaning he can't sustain his status as a racially charged envelope pusher (as he sees it)

And by using that same term, "tired" to describe that, and his romantic restlessness, he's showing us that he has to choose between them.

>close your eyes and let the word paint a thousand pictures
>one good girl is worth a thousand pictures
that word (love) opens up so many doors for him. And just one shot at being really happy is worth more than going on as someone who exerts his power by having so many bitches around

>alright I don't remember when we first met
He knows it's not going to be easy. He sees the absurdity of his relationship, but that's what he really wants. He'll take just making it to Christmas. I think my favorite part of the track is that honest acknowledgment of the inevitable, both in struggling to be one step ahead of his and Kim's own big mouths, and in how he was always bound to fall in love

>>41334546
kinda tru

>>41334473
>>41334474
>>41334509
thank you

>>41334762
How does the lyrical content of Bound 2 make it not a lame composition?

>>41335092
how do you judge a hip-hop song without paying attention to the lyrics

also how do you not feel those samples

>>41335194
the samples were a weak attempt to try to make the listener feel nostalgic for The College Dropout's soul-infused style but the only problem being that there was no inspiration or, well, SOUL behind them.
remember we're in a scaruffi thread
we don't focus on lyrics but the music behind it

>>41335092
Bound 2 is the best song on the album.

>>41334762

it's "One good girl is worth a thousand bitches"

>>41331887
cLOUDDEAD is certainly one of the best. It is however not influential at all, which is a shame, but there you have it.
Plus, his list was for the best, not the most influential

>>41333932
>but i'm not sure 3 Michael Jackson albums are worth my time, much less my money, not to mention Britney
If it's pop music you're interested in then they are worth your time.

>>41330940
I liked it.

>>41336512
are you sure about that? do they even write music? aren't they just singers?
isn't it better to listen something like Stevie Wonder, or Fountains of Wayne, XTC, The Magnetic Fields, even Paul McCartney or any pop-rock band that writes its own music than Britney?
or some pop music from the past?

>>41336792
>isn't it better to listen something like Stevie Wonder, or Fountains of Wayne, XTC, The Magnetic Fields, even Paul McCartney or any pop-rock band that writes its own music than Britney?
Yes.
But at the same time it's unreasonable to think that MJ and Britney have been completely irrelevant to the pop music realm.

I do agree that Allmusic's scores tend to be bullshit most of the time, still though they tend offer some of the more quality album reviews on the internet (even CLT agrees on this one).

>>41336792
>isn't it better to listen something like Stevie Wonder, or Fountains of Wayne, XTC, The Magnetic Fields, even Paul McCartney or any pop-rock band that writes its own music than Britney?
Yes.
But at the same time it's unreasonable to think that MJ and Britney have been completely irrelevant to the pop music realm.

I do agree that Allmusic's scores tend to be bullshit most of the time, still though they do tend offer some of the more quality album reviews on the internet (even CLT agrees on this one).

>>41336792
>isn't it better to listen something like Stevie Wonder, or Fountains of Wayne, XTC, The Magnetic Fields, even Paul McCartney or any pop-rock band that writes its own music than Britney?
Yes.
But at the same time it's unreasonable to think that MJ and Britney have been completely irrelevant to the pop music realm.

I do agree that Allmusic's scores tend to be bullshit most of the time, still though they do tend to offer some of the more quality album reviews on the internet (even CLT agrees on this one).

why do I continue fucking this up

I've been pretending for a while now.

>>41337110
Sometimes, their reviews can be insightful, but that is a rare case
and their ratings are off mark way too often
http://www.allmusic.com/album/strange-days-mw0000189718
http://www.allmusic.com/album/good-mw0000089698
http://www.allmusic.com/album/paganicons-mw0000604624 - look at this review
or this
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/ween-mn0000817754/discography
who else thinks of Pure Guava as best Ween album? it's usually a choice between their debut, C&C and The Mollusk

>>41337474
>who else thinks of Pure Guava as best Ween album?
i do

>>41337525
that's ok, but is Live at Stubb's or La Cucaracha as good or important as GodWeenSatan?
the debut basically introduces everything good about them, and shows their purpose in a best way(as with most bands i'd say)
and this http://www.allmusic.com/artist/led-zeppelin-mn0000139026/discography
by looking at this someone could say Led Zeppelin was best band in the world for 6 years?

>>41337474
Well it's not like Scaruffy can be as equally vague in his reviews sometimes.

>>41336792
Michael Jackson's Off the Wall is fucking nice, some nice disco cuts. I don't listen to albums beyond OtW although Billie Jean is an essential track

Someone already called that months ago

>>41330940
i still really like it OP

>>41337621
their ratings aren't meant to be compared to each other, they're based on the album achieving its merits

>>41337695
If that is the case, I find their rating system clumsy, impractical even harmful if one wants to know which record should be purchased next

>>41337811
So read the reviews and come to your own conclusions.

>>41330940
thank you based scruff for leading us on the path of righteousness and saving us from the plebdom of pitchfork and reddit

>>41337474
Who cares whether a POP MUSIC review is "insightful"? They're descriptive and accurate, which is infinitely more valuable.

>>41334762
>>Jesus Wept
I always heard that as a reference to Jesus Walks

>>41338390
I wasn't talking just about pop music reviews, i was thinking in general
But is their review of Paganicons descriptive or accurate? "Irritating", "pretentious", "abrasive guitar playing", that is all they have to say? They weren't even trying. And then look at their review of Thriller..

>>41338716
Sounds more to me you're mad that a reviewing panel thought some music you liked was irritating, pretentious, and unredeemedly abrasive.

>>41338707
in the Bible 'Jesus Wept' is the response to the death of Lazarus, a follower of Jesus, lining right up with the narrative of a part of Yeezy dying with the decision to settle down with Kim

also it's the shortest verse in the Bible, so it's the antithesis to the "long-ass verses" he's tired of

>>41338831
omg holy so deep what is this deep oh my deep my sides are in orbit around planet deep in the gamma-deep quadrant of deep space deep what kenye wrote is very deep

>>41338758
Nah, though I liked Paganicons it's just an EP I haven't even listened to more than 5 times, I just thought it would be a good example.

They gave The Modern Dance 4.5 and it's the highest rating they've given to any Pere Ubu album. But Whitney Houston debut gets 5. What's up with that? What makes Modern Dance flawed? I won't even begin comparing the overall value of those two albums as artistic statements..

>>41339062
There are better post-punk records than The Modern Dance while not many cont. r&b albums that are better than Whitney Houston's debut, duh.

>>41339174
>while
*but

i thought scaruffi would have like it

>>41338904
says mr “I've experienced pain beyond your comprehension.”

>>41339174
>There are better
>while not many cont. r&b albums that are better
>not many =/= 0
if there are many post-punk records that are better than The Modern Dance, i'd like to hear them
also, an anon above said that their ratings aren't meant to be compared to each other, so i'm interested what is it that made them take away half a point, what is that flaw that can't be overlooked?

>>41339445
>if there are many post-punk records that are better than The Modern Dance, i'd like to hear them
>what is that flaw that can't be overlooked?
they aren't PiL

>>41339062
So what, they suck because their star-rating differs from the star-rating you would give by half a star? Who gives a fuck?

And why are you even paying attention to star-ratings in the first place? Only plebs do that.

i don't think he has given any hiphop album an 8.

why is it such a ridiculous genre

>>41332990

>some cases

You have a ridiculous definition of 'art'. It's either all or none (hint; it's all).

>tfw you say that you dislike yeezus now everyone will think you're a scarfuffi drone when you already disliked it from the beginning

But what REALLY matters is

Christgau only gave it a ***

>>41339919
he has

>>41339919
he gave Public enemy an 8
idk why he couldnt have given Enter the Wu a 9, it was so innovative

>>41339658

>>41340305

and he considers that the best hiphop album; everything below didn't get an 8. a fuckin solid 8 is the best for hiphop, sadly.

>>41340314
he's right though

How come he gave Fugazi's Repeater a 9/10 but it isn't on his Best Albums list?

>>41340393
But it is?

>>41332177
It's not a list of the top 300, it's more like 30.

He still lists RHCP and Pearl Jam and shit ahead of The Beatles/The Beach Boys though.